Author Topic: Corruption in RP? Blame the Church (Read 10062 times)

Way Nada · « **Reply #80 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:29:39 PM »

daghan man ang hinungdan, bay WN, nga mawa ang usa ka butang: naguba, gilabay, gibaligya, gikawat o kikotkot.

bohol, ko WN. ngano man diay, unsa may naas sa Licoan?

Sakto ka! Daghan hinungdan nga mawa ang usa ka butang pero ako hing uyon lang ko sa imong pung nga; "gipangkawat ang ubang mga alahas". Tungod pud sa usa ka butang dugang sa imong sulti nga; dihay tawo nga "convicted of theft" bahin ining mga butanga.

Taga Bohol ka pero nagpuyo na tingali ka dugay sa Cagayan. Mailhan nako kay nakapuyo pud ko sa Cagayan. Kanang pung nga; "daw be ug kabalo" diha nako mahibaw-i sa Cagayan.

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #81 on:** March 04, 2009, 01:08:22 PM »

Let's all stop this blame game because this is the very reason why we couldn't move towards progress. Instead of thinking of solutions to solve this "corruption problem" in our country, we stick unto finding the faults and not the way to correct the mistakes which have been committed. If we would know that the church has a mistake, could we correct them? NO!

In my previous post in this thread (enhancing Values Education) I have stated how the government could invest on training the students to become morally upright citizens which I think the wisest way to solve the problems we are facing right now. Let's not sit in a corner and say that the Philippines has no hope because the government is like this and like that and the church is like this and like that. As long as we are alive, we can contribute something for the betterment of our country. However, we could not contribute something which we don't have. We could not satisfy others without satisfying ourselves first -- this is a universal imperative.

Yes, I know in my mind and in my heart what's the best thing to do. I know that the Philippines will have a brighter future if each citizen possesses right values and attitude to govern their lives and not to govern other people's lives. I know that this is the best thing to do but I am not doing it right now because I left my country in exchange of what I called greener pasture. Instead of training my own countrymen, I am training other citizens to realize their fullest potential. However, I do not feel guilty about it because I know that I am doing it, first, for myself. I do understand that I could not gratify others' needs and wants without gratifying my needs first.

I know I can do it but I have to do it in myself first before I would do it for others.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #82 on:** March 04, 2009, 01:44:54 PM »

dis is ridikyulus! wa na tawoy mapasanginlan.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #83 on:** March 05, 2009, 12:18:02 AM »

Sakto ka! Daghan hinungdan nga mawa ang usa ka butang pero ako hing uyon lang ko sa imong pung nga; "gipangkawat ang ubang mga alahas". Tungod pud sa usa ka butang dugang sa imong sulti nga; dihay tawo nga "convicted of theft" bahin ining mga butanga.

Taga Bohol ka pero nagpuyo na tingali ka dugay sa Cagayan. Mailhan nako kay nakapuyo pud ko sa Cagayan. Kanang pung nga; "daw be ug kabalo" diha nako mahibaw-i sa Cagayan.

nakalaag ra kos CDO bay, WN. unya ako mga igsoon tua na pod namuyo, so, nakasundog ko usahay sa ilang sinultian.

kini bitawng mga butanga, bay WN, it's like a red cape to a bull. kawatonon tungod sa ilang value.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #84 on:** March 05, 2009, 12:24:08 AM »

dis is ridikyulus! wa na tawoy mapasanginlan.

naa man buwad: ang k******n!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #85 on:** March 05, 2009, 08:19:24 AM »

ang curator sa baclayon church dugay na man nga suspect. i dont know what happened na.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #86 on:** March 05, 2009, 08:28:01 AM »

tama naay k******n kay lagi tawo raman ta pero ug e blame sa church di napud na ensakto.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #87 on:** March 05, 2009, 08:34:47 AM »

tawbi

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #88 on:** March 05, 2009, 10:36:57 AM »

Bai Buwad is correct.

Just because one individual makes a mistake does not make the entire Church, and the billions of Roman Catholics around the world make them bad.

The 'CHURCH' is not just the physical building, my friends.

The 'ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH' is the people. The souls that are part of the Apostolic and ONE Church.

It is unfair, and very unchristian to blame the whole group and point fingers for the mistake of one individual.

Christ warned us about individuals like that:

"Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.
Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye."
-Matthew 7: 1-5

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TOPAC · « **Reply #89 on:** March 05, 2009, 12:42:06 PM »

tawbi.

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aduy · « **Reply #90 on:** March 06, 2009, 04:24:27 AM »

blamed the concerned people not the church

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Way Nada · « **Reply #91 on:** March 06, 2009, 11:23:18 AM »

Lorenzo opined:

"Just because one individual makes a mistake does not make the entire Church, and the billions of Roman Catholics around the world make them bad."

Reply:

You are right! One person's mistake cannot be blamed on the whole church... while saying that there is corruption in the church does not mean billions of catholics around the world are bad either but, criticism will help the church administrator how to serve their parishioner efficiently and spiritually. Unsaon man ang masulti nimo kung ikaw sige nimong makita ang kora paroko sa simbahan kalingaw gaduwa ug mahjong ug naa pa gyu'y hinuktan, aber!

If you think the church is the people therefore every individual who is a member of the parish has the right also to criticize how the running of the church is being conducted.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #92 on:** March 06, 2009, 12:26:59 PM »

sakto ka, WN.

mao man gani naay gitawag nga PPC or Finance Council kada parokya kono kay aron motabang sa pagpadagan sa parokya

pwede man gani tingali mo-suwat ang mga tawo sa ilang obispo kung duna jud silay reklamo bahin sa ilang pari. ako ra pod nang nadunggan sa uban.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #93 on:** March 06, 2009, 12:31:13 PM »

sakto ka, WN.

mao man gani naay gitawag nga PPC or Finance Council kada parokya kono kay aron motabang sa pagpadagan sa parokya

pwede man gani tingali mo-suwat ang mga tawo sa ilang obispo kung duna jud silay reklamo bahin sa ilang pari. ako ra pod nang nadunggan sa uban.

Glacier,

Tinood nang imong gisulti. Karon ang mga parokyano mahimo na moprotesta sa taas nga awtoridad sa simbahan aron mapahawa ang dili nila gusto nga pari.

WN

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #94 on:** March 06, 2009, 12:33:22 PM »

sakto diay ko.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #95 on:** September 17, 2010, 02:44:55 AM »

Lorenzo opined:

"Just because one individual makes a mistake does not make the entire Church, and the billions of Roman Catholics around the world make them bad."

Reply:

You are right! One person's mistake cannot be blamed on the whole church... while saying that there is corruption in the church does not mean billions of catholics around the world are bad either but, criticism will help the church administrator how to serve their parishioner efficiently and spiritually. Unsaon man ang masulti nimo kung ikaw sige nimong makita ang kora paroko sa simbahan kalingaw gaduwa ug mahjong ug naa pa gyu'y hinuktan, aber!

If you think the church is the people therefore every individual who is a member of the parish has the right also to criticize how the running of the church is being conducted.

Thank you for sharing your view, Way Nada. You do bring up very valid and thought-provoking points.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #96 on:** September 17, 2010, 02:46:56 AM »

Corruption is a manifestation of a decaying moral value. Ug kana nga moral degradation makit-an nato bisan asa nga suok sa kalibutan. ug kay ang Pinoy, di man jud magpa-uwahi lagi, mao na nga kita maoy pinaka-.

We tend to point an accusing finger at each other forgetting that in the process, three fingers point in our direction. It's not only the state, it's not only the church. we all are. Mas klaro lang ang corruption diha sa gobyerno kay mao man na ang kanunay ma-highlight sa atong mga television, broadsheets, radio, etc. labi na kay we claim to be part of the institution. That is, in the spirit of "pagpakabana", we cry "foul" to these wrong doings. But aren't we part of the corrupt system.

If the mission of changing the system is a far cry, then let's do our share in our own little ways. "...it is better to light just one little candle... than curse the dark..."

Let's make today a brand new day. Let's start by knowing where we are....

ikaw empleyado - ang bondpaper ba nga imo gipagamit sa imong anak alang sa ilang project gikan ba sa supply sa imong opisina?

ikaw office driver or office chief - gigamit ba nimo ang service vehicle sa opisina paghatud-kuha nila sa imo mga anak sa school?

ikaw pulis - gigamit ba nimo ang imong position o chapa aron makakuka lag libre nga pasahe sa barko, bus o jeep?

ikaw garbage collector - wa ba nimo pabori pagkuha ang basura sa balay nga kanunay mohatag nimo og "tip"?

ikaw caminero (kamanero, etc. ) - motungha ba ka sa imong pwesto sa insaktong oras bisan walay foreman nga nagbantay?

ikaw negosyante - wa ba nimo tibhongi og tubig ang suka o tuba nga imong baligya aron madaghan?

ikaw panday - dretso-dretso ba ang imong pagpamanday, ug di na ka maglangan pagpasumangil baid-baid sa gabas ug tigib?

Ikaw tricycle driver, mihatag ba ka sa sukli nga singko sentavos sa imong pasahero?

ikaw botante - nidawat ba ka sa pila ka pesos nga bugti sa imong boto... sa way paglantaw unsa ang bugti sa umaabot?

ug kanang computer nga imong gigamit diha, di ba sa opisina man na, unja oras pa jud sa tingtrabaho nga gibayran ta?

and if you answer "yes" to any one of these questions... either we are already corrupt, or are prone to corruption.... so we need to re-align our lives a little...

Start na ta...

Beautiful Point, Tamislat.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #97 on:** September 17, 2010, 03:00:32 AM »

sakto ka dong. its all chismis. sa valencia daghan pud kawat pero never na involve ang mga priests.

aw, controversial diay tong pagbaligja sa atong lingganay dong enzo. kalipat ko unsa to nahitabo adto.

Tito,

Kining mga heresays , wa jamo jud ang substance ani, morag talk-talk ra jud ba so as to pass time. I have met the priest in Valencia and the women that work in the rectory and the caretakers of the church. Ning bisita galing ko sa Holy Image sa Senyor Santo Ninyo, ang ning ingoon sila kono nga ang statue sa Virgin Mary sa Eucharistic Adoration chapel, gikawat. Ang rason ani kai dili man nila gi locked ang chapel. Karon, gi locked na.

Pero for me to hear talks and reading in this thread how priests are involved in this, dili man na maajo oy. Bisan ba nay naay corruption sa uban nga diocese, dili man jud na mo represent sa entire Church, nga mo minister sa over 1.1 billion catholics in the world. Dili man intawn puydi ta mo dispense ing ana especially nga kita may mga parokyo kai laymen ra man jud ta. Ang office sa Priest ug holy religious life is a special and holy calling, dili pood fair ug mo blame nato atong mga negative actions on the office that we are talking about. Kai dili baja right. Those who have not the intention to enter religious life or can sacrifice what such a calling calls for, have no right or say in such a life. Because it is a sacrifice to begin with.

In regards to actions of vagrancy that occur in parishes around the world; that is common. There will be those who go against the preaching of the Good News, that is nothing new to the Catholic Church and our Millenial Pigrimage...

Regards.
Bran

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luckybelle · « **Reply #98 on:** September 18, 2010, 09:16:47 PM »

Hay naku, di nalang ta magbinasulay... magbuhat nalang tag maayo

PEACE EVERYONE

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magbalantay · « **Reply #99 on:** September 20, 2010, 02:12:56 AM »

Magsinumbagay na lang mo diha. Ngano man diay Katoliko ra bay corrupt? Wa bay Protestanteng corrupt? Jama jama ra man mo diha! Pwe!

korek jud ka, sir! Why point our fingers all the time to the catholics, alone? Ang ubang religions diay, free from corruption kintahay sila? MUOT PUD PAMINAWON!

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