Author Topic: Corruption in RP? Blame the Church (Read 10061 times)

TOPAC · « **Reply #40 on:** January 27, 2009, 12:39:33 PM »

LOL

kung ingun-ana layman, basin amoa kinabo lang.

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A Layman · « **Reply #41 on:** January 27, 2009, 01:31:08 PM »

Kinabo as in kinabo-lokan? LOL! Just kidding Cal. No offense meant!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #42 on:** January 27, 2009, 02:16:40 PM »

No prob bro. tinoud man sad gyud nga naay mga ingun-ana nga mga nahitabo diri sa office.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #43 on:** January 28, 2009, 09:57:33 AM »

at least, sayon ra na solbaron kay gamay ra man

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TOPAC · « **Reply #44 on:** January 28, 2009, 11:28:22 AM »

we are already implementing policies that had been overlooked the past years specially on the part of our field officers who are very prone to these things. thanks God, they are very cooperative. it is in them that we can truly find the idealism and dynamism of youth. looking at them, i know that this country has a better future. (im working in a government agency that is managed like a private corporation)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #45 on:** January 30, 2009, 01:08:54 PM »

Something that always amazes me about about governmental agencies:

Is the characteristic in blaming the past administration for present mistakes and or other agencies.

If there is corruption in the political structure, the blame belongs to the elected officials under whose tenure--such corruption occurs and manifests itself.

Responsibility belongs to those who are in power.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 31, 2009, 12:11:29 PM »

we are already implementing policies that had been overlooked the past years specially on the part of our field officers who are very prone to these things. thanks God, they are very cooperative. it is in them that we can truly find the idealism and dynamism of youth. looking at them, i know that this country has a better future. (im working in a government agency that is managed like a private corporation)

bravo!

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A Layman · « **Reply #47 on:** February 02, 2009, 07:20:27 PM »

we are already implementing policies that had been overlooked the past years specially on the part of our field officers who are very prone to these things. thanks God, they are very cooperative. it is in them that we can truly find the idealism and dynamism of youth. looking at them, i know that this country has a better future. (im working in a government agency that is managed like a private corporation)

This is a good sign worth emulating! Better late than ever.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #48 on:** February 05, 2009, 11:38:17 AM »

amo daris Manila North Tollways Corporation gi grasyahan kos Ginoo kay mga tarong mga tawo dari unja trqansparent ang tanang transaction labinas bidding sa project.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #49 on:** February 05, 2009, 11:48:05 AM »

wow, buwad. maayo ning balitaa.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #50 on:** February 05, 2009, 02:59:01 PM »

Sus! Kamong tanan akong gibasa wa diay mo makahibaw ug asa ang "corruption" sa simbahan. Kanang kolekta kada misa labi na sa Dominggo, kanang pagbaligya ug mga santo nga antik ngadto sa mga "antique collectors" wa intao'y hanaw ang katawhan, mga rebulto nga garing [ivory] sa inyong mga simbahan nangawa na, alahas sa mga santos nga pagatawgon ug "heirloom" gipamaligya, mga bulawan nga kalis gamit sa misa ug uban nga mahunahunaan ninjo.

Salamat!

WN

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #51 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:10:38 PM »

hehehe...unsa man diay gibuhat sa kolekta, Way?

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A Layman · « **Reply #52 on:** February 05, 2009, 09:26:40 PM »

Giitsas langit aron dawaton sa ginoo, unya niingon ang pari, "Lord, kuhaa ang para kanimo ug ang tanan nga mahulog sa yuta akoa na!" LOL

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lindy · « **Reply #53 on:** February 06, 2009, 01:21:28 AM »

Kadugay na anang hitaboa nga gipamaligya nang mga santos ug uban pa. Hangtud karon wa pa diay na mahurot? gamay pa akong pikas dalungaan ani. Kanang koleksyon dili man lang kay mga Katolico lang ang nag praktis ana. Hasta usab ang uban nga mga relehiyon ug uban pang kanasuran. Gawas pa dili man kana pugsanay.

Sus! Kamong tanan akong gibasa wa diay mo makahibaw ug asa ang "corruption" sa simbahan. Kanang kolekta kada misa labi na sa Dominggo, kanang pagbaligya ug mga santo nga antik ngadto sa mga "antique collectors" wa intao'y hanaw ang katawhan, mga rebulto nga garing [ivory] sa inyong mga simbahan nangawa na, alahas sa mga santos nga pagatawgon ug "heirloom" gipamaligya, mga bulawan nga kalis gamit sa misa ug uban nga mahunahunaan ninjo.

Salamat!

WN

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #54 on:** February 06, 2009, 02:18:20 AM »

wa na roy pamaligya kay naa nay Heritage Commission nga nag-atong aning mga antigo sa simbahan
kawat noon sa mga debolto, sige pa na.

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swakee · « **Reply #55 on:** February 06, 2009, 02:28:27 AM »

corruptions starts at home (hehe underground movement anyone?)

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #56 on:** February 06, 2009, 02:48:48 AM »

corruptions starts at home (hehe underground movement anyone?)

mag-paligid og humay, daghan na sa amoa hahaha

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #57 on:** February 07, 2009, 12:17:31 AM »

Sus! Kamong tanan akong gibasa wa diay mo makahibaw ug asa ang "corruption" sa simbahan. Kanang kolekta kada misa labi na sa Dominggo, kanang pagbaligya ug mga santo nga antik ngadto sa mga "antique collectors" wa intao'y hanaw ang katawhan, mga rebulto nga garing [ivory] sa inyong mga simbahan nangawa na, alahas sa mga santos nga pagatawgon ug "heirloom" gipamaligya, mga bulawan nga kalis gamit sa misa ug uban nga mahunahunaan ninjo.

Salamat!

WN

Way Nada,

That is all but heresay. I am active in church as a Eucharistic Minister on Sundays and at times a Minister of the Word, if called by my priest to volunteer. Now I may not be so well versed in the prerogatives of the Church, but I do know, from strong friendships and activity in my local church, church in college and back home in NJ, that the donations collected from mass are divided equally. A portion is set aside for charitable organizations headed by the Church (and the list of these are expansive/numerous), some are set for maintenance of the church (ergo, cost of electricity, electric fans, water, cleaning etc), and some are sent to the Vatican for the training of priests, nuns, monks, for the maintenance of the thousands upon thousands of Catholic Seminaries, Roman Catholic Institutions, Orphanages, Colleges, Private Schools, Health Care of priests and other individuals of the Cloth.

Defilement of the Host of Christ, religious ornaments fortwith antagonistic to the teachings to THE CHURCH (per se stealing of statues, defilment etc) are grounds for Total Anathema/ Excommunication.

Such actions you mentioned are propagated by vagrants, satanists etc. Not by the Church nor by those who are active members to Christ's Established Church on Earth. THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH, founded on basis of PETER (THE ROCK/PETROS)

Thank You

In His Name,
Lorenzo

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #58 on:** February 07, 2009, 12:24:57 AM »

Sus! Kamong tanan akong gibasa wa diay mo makahibaw ug asa ang "corruption" sa simbahan. Kanang kolekta kada misa labi na sa Dominggo, kanang pagbaligya ug mga santo nga antik ngadto sa mga "antique collectors" wa intao'y hanaw ang katawhan, mga rebulto nga garing [ivory] sa inyong mga simbahan nangawa na, alahas sa mga santos nga pagatawgon ug "heirloom" gipamaligya, mga bulawan nga kalis gamit sa misa ug uban nga mahunahunaan ninjo.

Salamat!

WN

This might be true. pero di ko mo judge...naa ra na nila.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #59 on:** February 07, 2009, 12:34:32 AM »

we dont know which place or church he/she is talking about too..

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #60 on:** February 07, 2009, 04:08:59 AM »

It is all hearsay. No basis for it aside to insinuate.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #61 on:** February 16, 2009, 06:15:28 PM »

It is all hearsay. No basis for it aside to insinuate.

sakto ka dong. its all chismis. sa valencia daghan pud kawat pero never na involve ang mga priests.

aw, controversial diay tong pagbaligja sa atong lingganay dong enzo. kalipat ko unsa to nahitabo adto.

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Manong JOSE · « **Reply #62 on:** February 16, 2009, 08:51:25 PM »

The corruption in the Philippines (which is a "Catholic" country per se) is not a failure of the church itself because if we will try to look unto it, the church and the state is separated (although the extent of sepparation is not as high as in the U.S.A.).

If we would only look at the other side of the issue, everything rooted from education itself. Even if religion is responsible in developing the moral attributes of every member, the government still has the highest responsibility of developing morally upright citizens.

However, the system of education provided by the country gives less importance to values education because the development of the students' cognitive skills are of the highest importance. Looking back in my basic education years, Values Education is not a big deal for us and it has been shown over and over again. We were given books for other subjects but not for values education although there were times wherein we enjoyed some values books but they were obviously of less "value" than the other books. Students would rather choose to fail in Values Education (because the credit is lesser/ sometimes it's 0 credit) than in Science, English or Mathematics.

In addition to, most Values Education teachers are teaching values as their extra subject and most of the times, there are no Values Education specialists unlike Math, Science, English and others. The government should have realized that Values Education is not something that would be taken for granted or would be given less importance.

And now, where's the root?

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #63 on:** February 20, 2009, 06:45:46 PM »

Catholic Church money was used by the Japs in making war material last WW II. This is a fact...Unsaon tawo man lang gud ta...

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lindy · « **Reply #64 on:** February 21, 2009, 01:02:07 AM »

wad diin ra man ka?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #65 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:55:59 AM »

Catholic Church money was used by the Japs in making war material last WW II. This is a fact...Unsaon tawo man lang gud ta...

basin og gipugos pod tong Simbahan atong panahona, gyera baya. hostile pod kaayo ang mga japon.

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TOPAC · « **Reply #66 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:46:05 AM »

Catholic Church money was used by the Japs in making war material last WW II. This is a fact...Unsaon tawo man lang gud ta...

dis-a man pud ka nakapangahoy ining balitaa buwad?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #67 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:16:12 AM »

The corruption in the Philippines (which is a "Catholic" country per se) is not a failure of the church itself because if we will try to look unto it, the church and the state is separated (although the extent of sepparation is not as high as in the U.S.A.).

If we would only look at the other side of the issue, everything rooted from education itself. Even if religion is responsible in developing the moral attributes of every member, the government still has the highest responsibility of developing morally upright citizens.

However, the system of education provided by the country gives less importance to values education because the development of the students' cognitive skills are of the highest importance. Looking back in my basic education years, Values Education is not a big deal for us and it has been shown over and over again. We were given books for other subjects but not for values education although there were times wherein we enjoyed some values books but they were obviously of less "value" than the other books. Students would rather choose to fail in Values Education (because the credit is lesser/ sometimes it's 0 credit) than in Science, English or Mathematics.

In addition to, most Values Education teachers are teaching values as their extra subject and most of the times, there are no Values Education specialists unlike Math, Science, English and others. The government should have realized that Values Education is not something that would be taken for granted or would be given less importance.

And now, where's the root?

(Hand Salute and Bow)

Well said, good Sir.

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #68 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:53:34 PM »

ingon akongg lolo calls! hehehe!

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buwadsanga · « **Reply #69 on:** February 23, 2009, 12:56:13 PM »

oo tama values. pero ang values ron nga gipakita labina sa atong mga leaders ug na televise pa:
kawat, kickbacks, pagpamutbut bisag halata na nga namutbut, away. mao niy values ron!

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TOPAC · « **Reply #70 on:** February 23, 2009, 03:07:49 PM »

toinks!

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Way Nada · « **Reply #71 on:** March 03, 2009, 02:46:08 PM »

Lorenzo,

I think you are taking the issue personally. My opinion is not dealing with what you do in church and beside I did not mention any name or priest or bishop in my posting. Why? Because it's not only priest and bishop who are responsible of the loss of church implements and ornaments. They are also stolen by church curators.

You call my opinion as hearsay or rumor because actually there is not a single priest convicted of theft and you are right. But it is common knowledge that church paraphernalia are lost because somebody stole it or the church is ransacked by robbers. Some robbers are inside the "convento" itself but they are not brought to a court of law.

Listen to this rumor! When I was a 5 year old kid I went always with my Lola twice a week to the church. My Lola was my first teacher and she used to teach me how to pray and most of all taught me to identify who are the saints inside the church niche. Two of those saints she told me were Santa Monica and Santa Filomena. I asked her; "Why is their faces look shiny and pinkish?" She answered; "because they are made of garing." "Garing" is ivory. She added that this kind of ivory comes from a fish and not from an elephant. In those days our church has 5 altars with 4 big chandeliers with one of them hanging down from the center of the church dome. These chandeliers can match the chandeliers that are hanging in the palaces in Europe.

When the church was under renovation there were rumors that some of the church saints and implements are to be sold for the renovation of the church aside from cash contributed by the parishioners. Among them that were sold to antique collectors were the 2 saints Santa Monica and Santa Filomena, the four big chandeliers, with the 12 receptacles for holy water which are made of marble, the pipe organ, the old pulpit and many more.

Even before the renovation of the church was finished the parish priest displayed in the convento a new Impala. This parish priest is the first person who owned an Impala in the whole province. But because priests are treated with respect the people just didn't mind that maybe they think that in God's name the priest has the right to own a car.

But there are a select few who did not agree with the majority of the community and they are the people who are members of the local intelligentsia like my uncle who was once a judge and another member of the bar who became the CFI judge of Cebu. Much of the rumors originated from these kind of people on how a priest with poor family background can own an Impala and I don't think they can be called vagrants or satanists. When I returned to my town the rumors about who bought the 4 chandeliers still persist. I learned now that the chandeliers are owned by the segioun Reyna family of Manila.

If you want to learn more about corruption in the church try to go to the museum in Baclayon and make your own research.

WN

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #72 on:** March 03, 2009, 09:41:51 PM »

unsa man diay corruption makit-an sa museum sa baclayon? nga antiques man tua didto.

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A Layman · « **Reply #73 on:** March 03, 2009, 10:05:40 PM »

It's no longer surprising nowadays that most churchmen, priests in particular are now living in luxury in contrast with their vow of 'poverty and sacrifice' nil with material things and ambition. Common sightings are priests assigned in urban areas.

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Way Nada · « **Reply #74 on:** March 04, 2009, 11:33:27 AM »

unsa man diay corruption makit-an sa museum sa baclayon? nga antiques man tua didto.

Glacier,

Kung moadto ka sa Baclayon Museum makakita ka ug duha ka "treasure chest" nga puro wa'y sud. Ug magsukit-sukit ka sa curator kung unsay purpose anang duha ka baul o kaban... ang curator kung nakahibaw motubag nimo nga mao nay sudlanan sa mga alahas sa Birhen. Ako sa bata pa mamista sa Baclayon ug mosimba mahinumdum ko nga ang Birhen diha kwentas nga perlas nga hangtud sa sa iyang tiil ang gitas-on ug dihay iyang korona nga mga diamante ug brilliante. Boot pasabot nako ini nga kanang duha ka kaban napuro alahas sa Birhen ang sud sa unang panahon.

WN

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 04, 2009, 11:46:05 AM »

Glacier,

Kung moadto ka sa Baclayon Museum makakita ka ug duha ka "treasure chest" nga puro wa'y sud. Ug magsukit-sukit ka sa curator kung unsay purpose anang duha ka baul o kaban... ang curator kung nakahibaw motubag nimo nga mao nay sudlanan sa mga alahas sa Birhen. Ako sa bata pa mamista sa Baclayon ug mosimba mahinumdum ko nga ang Birhen diha kwentas nga perlas nga hangtud sa sa iyang tiil ang gitas-on ug dihay iyang korona nga mga diamante ug brilliante. Boot pasabot nako ini nga kanang duha ka kaban napuro alahas sa Birhen ang sud sa unang panahon.

WN

ah ok. unya bay, kabalo ang curator unsay sulod ug pila tong mga alahas nga tua tanan sa chest?

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Way Nada · « **Reply #76 on:** March 04, 2009, 11:54:10 AM »

ah ok. unya bay, kabalo ang curator unsay sulod ug pila tong mga alahas nga tua tanan sa chest?

Unsaon man pagkahibaw sa curator ug pila tong mga alahas nga wa na may sud ang "treasure chest"? Hehe....

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #77 on:** March 04, 2009, 11:55:54 AM »

Unsaon man pagkahibaw sa curator ug pila tong mga alahas nga wa na may sud ang "treasure chest"? Hehe....

hahahaha, daw be, og wa na jud toy sulod diay sukad pa sa una. nakabalita man ko diha nga gipangkawat ang ubang mga alahas, di ba?

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Way Nada · « **Reply #78 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:00:55 PM »

hahahaha, daw be, og wa na jud toy sulod diay sukad pa sa una. nakabalita man ko diha nga gipangkawat ang ubang mga alahas, di ba?

Dili sukad sa una wa'y sud kundi kumpormi ko nga moingon ka nga gipangkawat ang ubang mga alahas. Di ba? Asa mang ka sa Cagayan de Oro? Nakapuyo ko sa Licoan sa una.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #79 on:** March 04, 2009, 12:09:52 PM »

Dili sukad sa una wa'y sud kundi kumpormi ko nga moingon ka nga gipangkawat ang ubang mga alahas. Di ba? Asa mang ka sa Cagayan de Oro? Nakapuyo ko sa Licoan sa una.

daghan man ang hinungdan, bay WN, nga mawa ang usa ka butang: naguba, gilabay, gibaligya, gikawat o kikotkot.

bohol, ko WN. ngano man diay, unsa may naas sa Licoan?

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