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Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« on: October 22, 2009, 09:34:38 AM »
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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 09:57:08 AM »
Baga^ jud siya ug nawong, napriso na sa plunder case. Balik gihapon ug lansar. Gusto siguro ni siya madugta sa prisohan. GMA sad nga walay buot, gipagawas si Erap. Ka maayo ra pangpakugon!

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 09:58:52 AM »
....i hope not >:(.......am praying hard that he'll be disqualified

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 03:34:11 PM »
Klaru man kaayo  sa iyang pardon na dile sya pwede mudagan maski kapitan del baryo? naman sab tig sulsul anang tigulanga na, ga lamlam man lang na sya? shalan ba pud na iya mga adviser utro pung mga kwanglo!this man is a Disaster to the nation.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 09:59:59 AM »
Ila lang gipatuyok ang ulo sa mga pinoy...

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 11:50:42 AM »
Naa ra jud na natong mga pinoy kong inyong butaran. Pang guinness book of record na iyahang gibuhat nga bisan gikan napriso, pwede ra bayran ang mga taw ug kwarta aron mo daug.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 01:10:13 PM »
Only the Supreme Court can stop Erap from running.
But when will the issue reach the Supreme Court? 
Most likely it will reach SC after the election because it has first to go thru a two-level hearing w/in the COMELEC which will take years to finish. We all know how slow the COMELEC resolve cases.
Busa ang mahitabo ani mag election ta una before it will be decided whether Erap can run or not.
Very ironical! So what will happen if Erap wins?  Gubot pas lukot ni!

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 02:53:02 PM »
Only the Supreme Court can stop Erap from running.
But when will the issue reach the Supreme Court? 
Most likely it will reach SC after the election because it has first to go thru a two-level hearing w/in the COMELEC which will take years to finish. We all know how slow the COMELEC resolve cases.
Busa ang mahitabo ani mag election ta una before it will be decided whether Erap can run or not.
Very ironical! So what will happen if Erap wins?  Gubot pas lukot ni!

one scenario: the supreme court will pass the verdict to the filipino voters.....meaning if he wins  (and which i hope and pray he wont) he'll be declared winner.....huhuhuhuhuhu
i hope this scenario will not happen

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 03:52:22 PM »
At this time dili na modaog si Erap.
Nagbuhat na lang siya ug record, the oldest
candidate for president of the Republic of the
Philippines.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 03:53:39 PM »
Pasagdi nalang na siya molangsad kay di naman jud na kadaug. Nag usikusik lang na siya sa magasto.
Remember.....Walay presidente nakalingkod sa malacanang for the second time around,,,,,ever....

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 08:03:13 PM »
"Pasagdi nalang na siya molangsad kay di naman jud na kadaug."

ayaw ninyo kumpyansai ang candidacy ni erap. let us be reminded that an election is basically a contest involving numbers. he who gets the highest number wins. erap is still popular with the masses. mas daghan baya ang uneducated masa kaysa enlightened voters like you... so, if we want to make sure erap does not sit in malacanang again, an action to that effect has to be made before the elections and not leave him alone because we think he will not win because he just might.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2009, 12:18:48 PM »

I don't believe Erap is still interested to run as president. He is already an old man but if politics is his forte in this world... he is still eligible to run because he is a bonafide Filipino citizen. But there is a Salonga Law that says; "a person convicted of a crime of Plunder in the amount of P50 thousand pesos or more cannot be eligible to run for a public office." Therefore Erap within the context of this law cannot run for president.

But here is the catch!

Erap was convicted by the Sandiganbayan but was hurriedly pardoned by GMA. Why the haste in the pardon? Why did they not wait for Erap's lawyer to argue in the SC the decision of the Sandiganbayan? My hunch is that Erap's case is unique in the Philippines. He was convicted of a concoction of false accusations that if the SC will decide on his case it would give another blow to the reputation of the court. The first black mark the SC received was when SC Justice Hilario Davide Jr. sworn in GMA as president when in fact there was already a sitting president elected by the people. Hilario Davide Jr. put the court in disrepute as an activist Supreme Court.

Erap must be a monkey on the back of the SC because if Erap runs for president... somebody I believe will go to the SC and ask the court for Erap's disqualification because of his conviction of plunder. This will become a dilemma of the court. If the court will say that Erap is not eligible to run because of his conviction by the Sandiganbayan then this time the SC should decide if the conviction of Erap is reasonable.

Erap's petition of his conviction by the Sandiganbayan to the Supreme Court was cut abruptly by the quick pardon of GMA.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2009, 08:42:57 AM »
i think erap's pakawala ng administration to divide more the opposition vote in order to ensure the victory of gibo.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2009, 09:27:06 AM »
Erap was already pardoned by GMA. Nobody can question the president becuase that is her right as provided for in the Constitution. It was an absolute pardon and clemency.

He can run for president.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 04:40:53 PM »
Article VII
Section 4. The President and the Vice-President shall be elected by direct vote of the people for a term of six years which shall begin at noon on the thirtieth day of June next following the day of the election and shall end at noon of the same date, six years thereafter. The President shall not be eligible for any re-election. No person who has succeeded as President and has served as such for more than four years shall be qualified for election to the same office at any time.
No Vice-President shall serve for more than two successive terms. Voluntary renunciation of the office for any length of time shall not be considered as an interruption in the continuity of the service for the full term for which he was elected.

what is your reaction about this constitutional provision in relation to erap running for president again.


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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2009, 04:58:46 PM »
the contention of eraps camp regarding to this is prohibition, that this only applies to a sitting president.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2009, 08:55:29 PM »
Kun ako ang Comelec, akong padaganon si ERAP. Nganong ako mang did-an? Para nako walay katungod ang Comelec sa pagdili ni ERAP sa pagdagan bisan mag-uban pa sila sa iyang adviser nga si Maceda. Asa may ilang gusto MAG-ROUND BOHOL o sa BOHOL GRANS STAND lang? Mr. ERAP UG MANONG MACEDA adto nalang mo sa plaza Rizal atubangan sa Bohol Capitol kay daghang mga SENIOR CITIZEN nga mag-jogging kada-buntag! Basin baya kun nagtuo mo nga ang Malacanan puluy-anan sa mga Senior Citizen dili oy! Gani ang Golder Acher gibalhin naman sa laing lugar. Kun ako ninyo magpuyo nalang mo sa iyong tagsa-tagsa ka balay unya magkape-kape nalang mo! Ang inyong panahon minglabay na, usa nalang mo sa HISTORY sa nasud nga inyong gikunis-kunis ngadto ka kapobrehon!!! Kaming mga Bol-anon dili susama sa inyong mga paminsar. Igo nalang kaming muyam-id kun  makadungog mi sa inyong mga APELIYIDO ng bahu pa sa utot ni Plabiboy!!!

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2009, 08:59:03 PM »
padagana nalang na si Erap uyy...pang lapida nalang na'ng iyaha..

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2009, 09:10:21 PM »
Ang Article VII, Section 4: Bisan dili ko usa ka abogado o batid sa balaud, apan daw tataw kaayo ang nahisulat sa maong balaud nga dili na gyud maka-pasubli ang usa ka presidente.
Apan unsa may atong mahimo kung makiglalis ta sa usa ka ERAP? Matud pa sa akong Amahan nga mipanaw na, nga lisud kuno kaayo magpasabot sa usa ka tawong nagpaka-ignorante!

TINAHOD NGA SUPREME COURT, ayaw usiki ang inyong panahon sa pagpasabot sa balaud ngadto kang ERAP. Hinuon tabangi ang pobreng katawhan sa nasud nga intawon nag-atus sa dili saktong hustisya!

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2009, 10:45:44 AM »
the contention of eraps camp regarding to this is prohibition, that this only applies to a sitting president.

The President shall not be eligible for any re-election.

Argument:

"The President" - Yes this looks like to imply the sitting president
"Re-Election" - This applies to all other presidents who had been elected.


Bisan tinood dili ta mga abogado dinhi, pero tataw ug klaro kaayo nga prohibited ni si erap mo dagan pagka Presidente. Dapat i-uphold ni sa COMELEC hora mismo, para dili na maka samok2x ni si erap. Dili na paaboton na mo file pa si erap sa iyang candidacy para ila ning tukion ning balaora. Ihigot ni si erap sa haligi sa ilang balay aron dili na ni maka cause ug kaguliyang  :-X. Hasol na kaayo kung pasagdan pa ni si erap maka samok2x. Insulto sa katawhang pilipino ang pag dagan niya pagka presidente.


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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2009, 10:49:05 AM »
Naa ra jud na natong mga pinoy kong inyong butaran. Pang guinness book of record na iyahang gibuhat nga bisan gikan napriso, pwede ra bayran ang mga taw ug kwarta aron mo daug.



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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2009, 10:57:04 AM »
what is your reaction about this constitutional provision in relation to erap running for president again.

what is your reaction about this constitutional provision in relation to erap running for president again.


NGS,

Those who are lovers of the constitution will treat this provision as ideal for the Filipino people. But this constitutional provision was not respected by those who believed that they are above the law. I'll name a few of these people. They are Gloria Arroyo, the late Jaime Cardinal Sin, the late Cory Aquino, Fr. Joaquin Bernas, the media, the academe, Hilario Davide Jr. and his associates in the SC. They thwarted the will of the people. Erap did not finish his  6 yearsterm provided for in the constitution because his power was grabbed by people who are greedy for power.

Since he did not finish his 6 years term therefore he is still eligible to run.

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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2009, 11:19:56 AM »
WN, you might want to include also the COMELEC people here in the list. The constitution did not mention implicitly or explicitly whatsoever that an elected president who has not finished his 6 years term is eligible to run again.

The strongest term that will knock on eraps head is the word "re-election". He was elected as president. If he did not finished his term for his stupidity, and he wants to run again, do we not consider it as "re-election"?  This is very simple.
It is not hard to understand this. Yes, I agree with you, they think that they are above the law and they will circumvent the law as much as they can because of greed.

But, the question here is, What can we do about it? When can we emerged from inside the cave? What will make us get to our senses?

The consitution again states that: Soveriegnty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them.

We, the people are soveriegn. But I think it's not the case.


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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2009, 11:24:43 AM »
Adunay daghang "loopholes' ang atong mga balaod.

"THe president shall not be eligible for re-election...." In this point, Erap can not run becuase he was  already elected.
"The president shall be elected by direct vote of the people for  a term six years..". ERap did not complete  his 6 years term, so he can start another 6 year term, and after,  he cannot be reelected.  

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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2009, 11:34:12 AM »
Voluntary renunciation of the office for any length of time shall not be considered as an interruption in the continuity of the service for the full term for which he was elected.

The above quote, they will also argue that erap did not voluntarily resigned. We will have constitutional crisis here if that is the case. GMA supporters can pose disguise and do people power to oust her. So, VP Noli will take over. Come Election time, GMA can run again.

The "term six years" refers only to the maximum number of years an elected president can sit. It does not provide, that when a president is ousted, impeached, that he has all the six years to sit. Much more to be re-elected.

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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2009, 12:19:16 PM »
WN, you might want to include also the COMELEC people here in the list. The constitution did not mention implicitly or explicitly whatsoever that an elected president who has not finished his 6 years term is eligible to run again.

The strongest term that will knock on eraps head is the word "re-election". He was elected as president. If he did not finished his term for his stupidity, and he wants to run again, do we not consider it as "re-election"?  This is very simple.
It is not hard to understand this. Yes, I agree with you, they think that they are above the law and they will circumvent the law as much as they can because of greed.

But, the question here is, What can we do about it? When can we emerged from inside the cave? What will make us get to our senses?

The consitution again states that: Soveriegnty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them.

We, the people are soveriegn. But I think it's not the case.

WN, you might want to include also the COMELEC people here in the list. The constitution did not mention implicitly or explicitly whatsoever that an elected president who has not finished his 6 years term is eligible to run again.

The strongest term that will knock on eraps head is the word "re-election". He was elected as president. If he did not finished his term for his stupidity, and he wants to run again, do we not consider it as "re-election"?  This is very simple.
It is not hard to understand this. Yes, I agree with you, they think that they are above the law and they will circumvent the law as much as they can because of greed.

But, the question here is, What can we do about it? When can we emerged from inside the cave? What will make us get to our senses?

The consitution again states that: Soveriegnty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them.

We, the people are soveriegn. But I think it's not the case.


NGS,


If you agree with me that they think that they are above the law and they will circumvent the law as much as they can because of greed therefore it is correct to say that GMA's takeover of power is unsconstitutional. When she grabbed power the constitutional clock stopped also.

You asked; "What can we do about it? When can we emerged from inside the cave? What will make us get to our senses?"

My answer is; if you want us to emerge from inside the cave and make us return to our senses... if I am the SC I will let Erap run again for president. In the first place it was the SC's fault in swearing in GMA when in fact by law she was not elected as president. And if you believe the people is sovereign then let's give a chance to Erap if the sovereign people will accept him.

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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2009, 12:33:43 PM »
The above quote, they will also argue that erap did not voluntarily resigned. We will have constitutional crisis here if that is the case. GMA supporters can pose disguise and do people power to oust her. So, VP Noli will take over. Come Election time, GMA can run again.

The "term six years" refers only to the maximum number of years an elected president can sit. It does not provide, that when a president is ousted, impeached, that he has all the six years to sit. Much more to be re-elected.

NGS,


Erap did not resigned but sent a letter to congress handling over temporarily the office of the president to Gloria M. Arroyo. This was attested by Nene Pimentel as he was the senate president then. But the media did not report this. The mob that grabbed power from Erap made already a constitutional crisis. According to Fr. Joaquin Bernas... making a spin to people power that; it is extra constitutional provision in the law. Tsk... tsk... tsk...

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2009, 12:39:04 PM »
Now I do not understand the scenario here. When GMA was sworn IN by SC, where was erap then? If erap then thought he was illegaly ousted and when he thought he still had the legal rights to sit back in as president, was there a legal battle for him to be sworn back in as president? I never heard there was. Instead the legal battle for erap was impeachment and he was indeed impeached. He had a plunder case, and he was convicted. He was just pardoned by GMA and thats the fault of GMA.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2009, 12:58:00 PM »
NGS,

You think Erap was legally ousted? He was not even impeached. If you can recall the event that happened in the senate it was like this; when the pro Erap senators were about to argue the impeachment case in defense of Erap... Joker Arroyo and those anti Erap senators walked out of the proceedings and went to Edsa. There at Edsa they continue their slaughter of Erap. Therefore Erap was not given a voice in his defense in the senate. The media again did not report this in the news.

Joker Arroyo and the anti Erap senators walked out because the pro Erap in the senate were the majority and Joker Arroyo knew their case of impeaching Erap will not win. If they knew  there is no need of people power at EDSA. They can go to the legal proceedings.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2009, 01:06:51 PM »
So, WN, you are in support of Erap?



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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2009, 01:15:32 PM »
So, WN, you are in support of Erap?



Erap is only an incidental person here. I am in support of the law and I am against the grab of power. Before a president only had 4 years sitting as president. They make it longer but it never came to their senses that one week is a long time for a Filipino politician... 6 years pa di mag-people power na lang! Dili na makahuwat ug election. Hehehe....

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2009, 01:18:35 PM »
lol.

The irony of the situation, my dear WN, is that GMA was placed into power by People Power. And only to be the recipient of the same People's Power Movement during her own tenure as Head of State.

he he he he.





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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2009, 01:28:35 PM »
lol.

The irony of the situation, my dear WN, is that GMA was placed into power by People Power. And only to be the recipient of the same People's Power Movement during her own tenure as Head of State.

he he he he.






Mao gyud... but in Erap's term as president he let them assembled at Edsa but during GMA's term she gassed all attempts of PP against her. Erap was ousted because the military defied their allegiance to the constitution. Angelo Reyes the chief of staff joined SC justice Hilario Davide jr. at EDSA. The military chief and the SC chief justice turned into political activists. Their acts are part of the biggest political conspiracy to topple a democratically elected president of the Philippines.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2009, 05:33:42 PM »
WN,

We just need to be realistic here. We all knew that corruption is super rampant in our country. Was there anybody being convicted of corruption? Imprisoned?

We all knew that they are corrupt. But to prove them in court is a different story. GMA is also corrupt. Impeachment against her does not work and we all knew the reasons. Do you believed that erap is not corrupt? erap was noted of much wrongdoings as president. although you can say he was not even convicted with the plunder. but in reality he did the plunder. just proving it in court is difficult, as you said, they can thwart the law. The justice system does not work as it meant to be.

Now, both GMA and Erap noted to be corrupt and have wrongdoings as President, You still want erap to be president? What for?


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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2009, 11:05:23 PM »
MGA SANO UG SANA, NINDOT KAAYO ANG ATONG MGA KULUKABILDO DINHI SA TUBAGBOHOL. SALAMAT SA TAWO NGA NAKAHUNA-HUNA NIINI.

MGA SANO UG SANA, KINING SITUATION SA BAGA'G NAWONG NGA ERAP NAKAHATAG UG NEGATIBONG IMAHE SA ATONG NASUD. SEGURO BUOT LANG NIYA SUKDON ANG KATAGSIP SA HUNA-HUNA SA MGA FILIPINO. APAN BUOT LANG AKO, IPAHINUMDOM SA ATONG MGA KAIGSOONAN KUN UNSA KINING KLASE NGA TAWO SI ERAP, SA DILI PA KITA MUPATUYANG SA ATONG MGA LANTUGI. SA SINUGDAN SAYUD KITA NGA KINI SI ERAP USA KA ARTISTA SA "PINILAKANG TABING". NAGHATAG UG LINGAW KANATO PANAHON SA ATONG KALAAY. SA KLASE SA IYANG PANGINABUHI SA LAKTUD NGA PAGKASULTI SIYA USA KA "KINGKOY". NGA SA ATO PA, BUOT NIYA KITA HIMOONG MGA FANS SA IYANG PERSONAL NGA PASUNDAYAG. UG SA  AKONG PANGLANTAW, NGA SEGURO NAGTUO SIYA NGA ANG PAGPAPILI ISIP USA KA PRESIDENTE SA NASUD, SUSAMA SA PAGHIMO NIYA UG MGA PINIKULA NGA ADUNAY "TAKE TWO"! PAGKALISOD BAYA SPELLINGON KINI SI ERAP. PASALAMAT NALANG KO SA MGA BOL-ANON KAY MAAYO KAAYO UG PAMINSAR!

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2009, 11:39:16 PM »


Panahon na jud na Proc, nga di na ko moangkon nga "I am a Filipino" bahala'g ingnon ko Mexicana!

Ulaw oi! sa gidangatan sa atong nasud kinahanglan na tag tarong nga presidente.

hi, Mexican. MDB, M stands for Mexican. hahahhahaha

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2009, 12:36:10 AM »
NGS,

Those who are lovers of the constitution will treat this provision as ideal for the Filipino people. But this constitutional provision was not respected by those who believed that they are above the law. I'll name a few of these people. They are Gloria Arroyo, the late Jaime Cardinal Sin, the late Cory Aquino, Fr. Joaquin Bernas, the media, the academe, Hilario Davide Jr. and his associates in the SC. They thwarted the will of the people. Erap did not finish his  6 yearsterm provided for in the constitution because his power was grabbed by people who are greedy for power.

Since he did not finish his 6 years term therefore he is still eligible to run.

WN 


hala, sila na hinoon diay ang nahimong laug sa gahum. tsk tsk tsk.

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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2009, 02:15:26 AM »
WN,

We just need to be realistic here. We all knew that corruption is super rampant in our country. Was there anybody being convicted of corruption? Imprisoned?

We all knew that they are corrupt. But to prove them in court is a different story. GMA is also corrupt. Impeachment against her does not work and we all knew the reasons. Do you believed that erap is not corrupt? erap was noted of much wrongdoings as president. although you can say he was not even convicted with the plunder. but in reality he did the plunder. just proving it in court is difficult, as you said, they can thwart the law. The justice system does not work as it meant to be.

Now, both GMA and Erap noted to be corrupt and have wrongdoings as President, You still want erap to be president? What for?


It is a sad reality that we Filipinos (Foreign and Domestic) must grasp and take into serious consideration.
The governmental corruption in the Philippines is perfidiously rampant. It is sickening.
The level and depth of corruption transcends the political pillars to the everyday jurisprudence of local law enforcement, sickening.

Stories of police officers being bribed by 100-200 peso bribe, to local beurocrats offering bribes to grant favors and political graces.

If they only knew, Marcelo Del Pilar, Luna, and the great Dr. Jose P. Rizal would be rolling in their graves. To see what their beloved Filipinas has turned into.

Rizal, in specificity, would have died a second time to have seen his beloved Filipinas, whom he gave his life for, become a literal transfiguration of the classed oligarchy that it was in his own epoch. Nothing really has changed.
Unfortunately.

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2009, 01:23:50 PM »
Erap…presidente na pod!
ni estong o.
 
Nagkaguliyang na usab ang mga pulitiko,
Sa bugnong lugaynon nga ilang paborito.
Kampanya diri, kampanya didto,
Mahat-ag lang ang ilang mga plata porma de gobyerno!

Plata porma de gobyerno kuno,
Sumbanan sa mga magpapili’ng kandidato.
Paagi sa pag-agni sa mga pulitiko,
Aron masaligan sa mga botante'ng mga tawo!

May uban walay kaugalingon plata porma,
'Mong gamit sa mga pobre alang sa ilang kandidatura.
Ipakita sa katawhan “Pro-poor” kuno ang ilang programa,
Sa ingon, ang mga kabus,“malansi” ug ma-ilad nila!

Naa pa gyu'y usa, makatawa ka,
Sa pagka-presidente niagi na.
Convicted na apan nakaguwa pa,
Magpapili kuno kay hinlu-on ang bansagon niya!

Mapasigarbon siyang ming-asuy sa katawhan,
Ang iyang pagka-presidente “open book” kuno sa   tanan.
Apan sa dihang ang iyang librito na ang paga-ablihan,
Didto napatik siya sa atong ang kasaysayan!

Gisaligan siya sa katawhan,
Sa tinguha nga ang nasud mahaw-as sa kalisdanan.
Apan nanghinubra ang iyang kagamhanan.
Maong ang iyang buhatan  sulod na sa “piitan”!

Hastang... baga-a gyud ug nawong,
Nagpaka-isosente sa iyang pagpanglimbong.
Sa tibuok nasud, tawhanong nakigharong.
Ang Presidente sa Pilipinas nga natingkagong!

Ang duot sa katawhan nga nagbutang kaniya,
Sa kalsada usab sila’y nag-una.
Dili sa pagsinggit ug, “Erap ang pag-asa”,
Kun dili, “Erap, palitan na”!

Hala mga tawo! Unsa'y iyang ipanghatag dawata,
Kay sa gobyerno  kana nga mga  kwarta.
Ang atong ka-pobrehon giyatakan nga walay konsensya,
Aron mohumot lang ang iyang mga kampanya!

Katawhan tan-awa ra,
Siya nakigtigis sa Korte Suprema.
Sa Batakang Balaud nagpaka-ignorante pa,
Makalusot lang ang iyang kandidatura!

Niining nagsingabot nga National Election,
Ayaw itugot nga kita biktimahon.
Sa presidente’ng magpapili sa ikaduhang higayon,
Basin baya’g sugilanon na usab, sa nasud tang Pilipinhon!

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Re: Can Erap Estrada Run Again as President of the Philippines?
« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2010, 02:29:18 PM »
I wrote this reply to NGS October 29, 2009;

Those who are lovers of the constitution will treat this provision as ideal for the Filipino people. But this constitutional provision was not respected by those who believed that they are above the law. I'll name a few of these people. They are Gloria Arroyo, the late Jaime Cardinal Sin, the late Cory Aquino, Fr. Joaquin Bernas, the media, the academe, Hilario Davide Jr. and his associates in the SC. They thwarted the will of the people. Erap did not finish his  6 years term provided for in the constitution because his power was grabbed by people who are greedy for power.

Since he did not finish his 6 years term therefore he is still eligible to run.

WN 

And Glacier replied;

hala, sila na hinoon diay ang nahimong laug sa gahum. tsk tsk tsk.

My reply;

I think Glacier did not get the point here. Why did I say that the people I mentioned above are power hungry? The answer is simple. It is because Erap was duly elected by the people and the people I mentioned as "greedy for power" are not following the rule of law. Erap was elected for a 6 year term and if you disrupt his term via the rule of the mob or an uprising that is purely illegal. One of the people who ousted Erap is the chief justice of the Supreme Court Hilario Davide Jr. and he is well versed of the law and yet he swore in GMA as president when he knows that Erap is the duly elected president of the people. If this is not greed for power then what?     
 
WN
 


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