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« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2009, 10:49:05 AM »



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« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2009, 10:57:04 AM »

NGS,

Those who are lovers of the constitution will treat this provision as ideal for the Filipino people. But this constitutional provision was not respected by those who believed that they are above the law. I'll name a few of these people. They are Gloria Arroyo, the late Jaime Cardinal Sin, the late Cory Aquino, Fr. Joaquin Bernas, the media, the academe, Hilario Davide Jr. and his associates in the SC. They thwarted the will of the people. Erap did not finish his  6 yearsterm provided for in the constitution because his power was grabbed by people who are greedy for power.

Since he did not finish his 6 years term therefore he is still eligible to run.

WN 

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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2009, 11:19:56 AM »
WN, you might want to include also the COMELEC people here in the list. The constitution did not mention implicitly or explicitly whatsoever that an elected president who has not finished his 6 years term is eligible to run again.

The strongest term that will knock on eraps head is the word "re-election". He was elected as president. If he did not finished his term for his stupidity, and he wants to run again, do we not consider it as "re-election"?  This is very simple.
It is not hard to understand this. Yes, I agree with you, they think that they are above the law and they will circumvent the law as much as they can because of greed.

But, the question here is, What can we do about it? When can we emerged from inside the cave? What will make us get to our senses?

The consitution again states that: Soveriegnty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them.

We, the people are soveriegn. But I think it's not the case.

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« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2009, 11:24:43 AM »
Adunay daghang "loopholes' ang atong mga balaod.

"THe president shall not be eligible for re-election...." In this point, Erap can not run becuase he was  already elected.
"The president shall be elected by direct vote of the people for  a term six years..". ERap did not complete  his 6 years term, so he can start another 6 year term, and after,  he cannot be reelected.  
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2009, 11:34:12 AM »
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Voluntary renunciation of the office for any length of time shall not be considered as an interruption in the continuity of the service for the full term for which he was elected.

The above quote, they will also argue that erap did not voluntarily resigned. We will have constitutional crisis here if that is the case. GMA supporters can pose disguise and do people power to oust her. So, VP Noli will take over. Come Election time, GMA can run again.

The "term six years" refers only to the maximum number of years an elected president can sit. It does not provide, that when a president is ousted, impeached, that he has all the six years to sit. Much more to be re-elected.

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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2009, 12:19:16 PM »

NGS,


If you agree with me that they think that they are above the law and they will circumvent the law as much as they can because of greed therefore it is correct to say that GMA's takeover of power is unsconstitutional. When she grabbed power the constitutional clock stopped also.

You asked; "What can we do about it? When can we emerged from inside the cave? What will make us get to our senses?"

My answer is; if you want us to emerge from inside the cave and make us return to our senses... if I am the SC I will let Erap run again for president. In the first place it was the SC's fault in swearing in GMA when in fact by law she was not elected as president. And if you believe the people is sovereign then let's give a chance to Erap if the sovereign people will accept him.

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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2009, 12:33:43 PM »

NGS,


Erap did not resigned but sent a letter to congress handling over temporarily the office of the president to Gloria M. Arroyo. This was attested by Nene Pimentel as he was the senate president then. But the media did not report this. The mob that grabbed power from Erap made already a constitutional crisis. According to Fr. Joaquin Bernas... making a spin to people power that; it is extra constitutional provision in the law. Tsk... tsk... tsk...

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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2009, 12:39:04 PM »
Now I do not understand the scenario here. When GMA was sworn IN by SC, where was erap then? If erap then thought he was illegaly ousted and when he thought he still had the legal rights to sit back in as president, was there a legal battle for him to be sworn back in as president? I never heard there was. Instead the legal battle for erap was impeachment and he was indeed impeached. He had a plunder case, and he was convicted. He was just pardoned by GMA and thats the fault of GMA.

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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2009, 12:58:00 PM »
NGS,

You think Erap was legally ousted? He was not even impeached. If you can recall the event that happened in the senate it was like this; when the pro Erap senators were about to argue the impeachment case in defense of Erap... Joker Arroyo and those anti Erap senators walked out of the proceedings and went to Edsa. There at Edsa they continue their slaughter of Erap. Therefore Erap was not given a voice in his defense in the senate. The media again did not report this in the news.

Joker Arroyo and the anti Erap senators walked out because the pro Erap in the senate were the majority and Joker Arroyo knew their case of impeaching Erap will not win. If they knew  there is no need of people power at EDSA. They can go to the legal proceedings.

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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2009, 01:06:51 PM »
So, WN, you are in support of Erap?


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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2009, 01:15:32 PM »

Erap is only an incidental person here. I am in support of the law and I am against the grab of power. Before a president only had 4 years sitting as president. They make it longer but it never came to their senses that one week is a long time for a Filipino politician... 6 years pa di mag-people power na lang! Dili na makahuwat ug election. Hehehe....

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« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2009, 01:18:35 PM »
lol.

The irony of the situation, my dear WN, is that GMA was placed into power by People Power. And only to be the recipient of the same People's Power Movement during her own tenure as Head of State.

he he he he.




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« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2009, 01:28:35 PM »


Mao gyud... but in Erap's term as president he let them assembled at Edsa but during GMA's term she gassed all attempts of PP against her. Erap was ousted because the military defied their allegiance to the constitution. Angelo Reyes the chief of staff joined SC justice Hilario Davide jr. at EDSA. The military chief and the SC chief justice turned into political activists. Their acts are part of the biggest political conspiracy to topple a democratically elected president of the Philippines.

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« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2009, 05:33:42 PM »
WN,

We just need to be realistic here. We all knew that corruption is super rampant in our country. Was there anybody being convicted of corruption? Imprisoned?

We all knew that they are corrupt. But to prove them in court is a different story. GMA is also corrupt. Impeachment against her does not work and we all knew the reasons. Do you believed that erap is not corrupt? erap was noted of much wrongdoings as president. although you can say he was not even convicted with the plunder. but in reality he did the plunder. just proving it in court is difficult, as you said, they can thwart the law. The justice system does not work as it meant to be.

Now, both GMA and Erap noted to be corrupt and have wrongdoings as President, You still want erap to be president? What for?

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« Reply #34 on: October 31, 2009, 11:05:23 PM »
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« Reply #35 on: October 31, 2009, 11:39:16 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2009, 12:36:10 AM »

hala, sila na hinoon diay ang nahimong laug sa gahum. tsk tsk tsk.

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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2009, 02:15:26 AM »

It is a sad reality that we Filipinos (Foreign and Domestic) must grasp and take into serious consideration.
The governmental corruption in the Philippines is perfidiously rampant. It is sickening.
The level and depth of corruption transcends the political pillars to the everyday jurisprudence of local law enforcement, sickening.

Stories of police officers being bribed by 100-200 peso bribe, to local beurocrats offering bribes to grant favors and political graces.

If they only knew, Marcelo Del Pilar, Luna, and the great Dr. Jose P. Rizal would be rolling in their graves. To see what their beloved Filipinas has turned into.

Rizal, in specificity, would have died a second time to have seen his beloved Filipinas, whom he gave his life for, become a literal transfiguration of the classed oligarchy that it was in his own epoch. Nothing really has changed.
Unfortunately.

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« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2009, 01:23:50 PM »
Erap…presidente na pod!
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2010, 02:29:18 PM »
I wrote this reply to NGS October 29, 2009;

Those who are lovers of the constitution will treat this provision as ideal for the Filipino people. But this constitutional provision was not respected by those who believed that they are above the law. I'll name a few of these people. They are Gloria Arroyo, the late Jaime Cardinal Sin, the late Cory Aquino, Fr. Joaquin Bernas, the media, the academe, Hilario Davide Jr. and his associates in the SC. They thwarted the will of the people. Erap did not finish his  6 years term provided for in the constitution because his power was grabbed by people who are greedy for power.

Since he did not finish his 6 years term therefore he is still eligible to run.

WN 

And Glacier replied;

hala, sila na hinoon diay ang nahimong laug sa gahum. tsk tsk tsk.

My reply;

I think Glacier did not get the point here. Why did I say that the people I mentioned above are power hungry? The answer is simple. It is because Erap was duly elected by the people and the people I mentioned as "greedy for power" are not following the rule of law. Erap was elected for a 6 year term and if you disrupt his term via the rule of the mob or an uprising that is purely illegal. One of the people who ousted Erap is the chief justice of the Supreme Court Hilario Davide Jr. and he is well versed of the law and yet he swore in GMA as president when he knows that Erap is the duly elected president of the people. If this is not greed for power then what?     
 
WN
 



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