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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2011, 03:23:29 AM »
Ang aho rang ikasulti aning dapita mahitungod aning mga Obispo is about Pueblos... DIS-A MAN SIYA SA PANAHON NI GLORIA? NGANONG WAA MAN TA MAKADUNGOG NIYA NGA MI CRITICIZE NI GMA? UNYA karon nga naningkamot ang (admin ni NoyNoy ) nga makasuhan ang mga k******n sa kaban nang BAYAN, IYA hino-on nga gi CRITICIZE si NoyNOY???? Ow, come on Pueblos!

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« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2011, 05:08:34 AM »
Ang aho rang ikasulti aning dapita mahitungod aning mga Obispo is about Pueblos... DIS-A MAN SIYA SA PANAHON NI GLORIA? NGANONG WAA MAN TA MAKADUNGOG NIYA NGA MI CRITICIZE NI GMA? UNYA karon nga naningkamot ang (admin ni NoyNoy ) nga makasuhan ang mga k******n sa kaban nang BAYAN, IYA hino-on nga gi CRITICIZE si NoyNOY???? Ow, come on Pueblos!

Siempre di gyod mo criticize kay sa akong nadunggan pro-Gloria Macapagal mani nga obispoha, sama sab sa mga pro-Marcos bishops sa Marcos era di jud mo criticize sa ilang amo. Weather-weather baga. So karon na sad, mga pro-Noynoy clergy/bishops mao na say maghilom-hilom in terms of protestations. I'm sure there are many.  :-X

  



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« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2011, 05:15:37 AM »
Sa panahon ni Cory I know of many "taong simbahan" (Church sector) nga naghilom-hilom na lang... pero sa panahon pa ni Marcos lupig pay mga irong boang ga waras-waras sa karsada. Abi nako tinuod to silang "patriots" or "makabayan." I realized then that they were just "anti-Martial Law" or "anti-Marcos." They wanted to give democracy (kuno) a chance and save the same system (protected by America) vs. the idea of a protracted war (Marxist and Maoist revolution) espoused by the NDF/leftists during that time... the then "makibaka huwag matakog" slogan of the 60's, 70's and 80's.  8) :P :-X :-X



 

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Re: Bishops cleared
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2011, 05:28:46 AM »
Basin maparehas mos usa ka tiguwang sa lungsod sa unang panahon; nakakita ni padre nga nangihi sa kilid sa karsada arang ka shock ug niingon, "aw mangihi diay pod ning pari?!!"

Ang punto:

Maski tawag ana nila "men of the cloth" ug gipang ordinahan isip mga trabahante sa vineyard (Simbahan), mga molupyo (citizen) pod na sila sa atong society and like all of us have the right kung kinsa ang ilang botaran/suportaan/etc sa larang sa politika. The exercise of this so-called separation of Church and State has nothing to do with an individual's (ma Santo Papa o pari) responsibilty to socio-civic-political life. Mao nay ge guarantiya sa atong Constitution para sa tanan.  ;)

 



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« Reply #44 on: July 21, 2011, 05:45:37 AM »
Siempre di gyod mo criticize kay sa akong nadunggan pro-Gloria Macapagal mani nga obispoha, sama sab sa mga pro-Marcos bishops sa Marcos era di jud mo criticize sa ilang amo. Weather-weather baga. So karon na sad, mga pro-Noynoy clergy/bishops mao na say maghilom-hilom in terms of protestations. I'm sure there are many.  :-X


 Dat's ryt Pad'z! weather-weather gyud.  :) PERO, manghina-ut lang ko, nga "UNTA" dili himo-on ni NoyNoy ang mga nahitabo sa administrasyon ni GMA.  >:(


 Pad'z, nag sigui na kuno ug kanta si GMA ron ug "My World Keeps Getting Smaller Everyday"  :D
   



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« Reply #45 on: July 21, 2011, 06:48:46 AM »
Ikaw kay Tsik-in man, tubaga kuno ko sa imong native tongue bi... ;D

spratlys a kho nah, beeehhh!  :P

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« Reply #46 on: July 21, 2011, 06:58:27 AM »
spratlys a kho nah, beeehhh!  :P


 Isla, abi nakog gi regalo na ang SPRATLY ni Goyang GMA sa mga Tsik-in! :D

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« Reply #47 on: July 21, 2011, 08:27:43 AM »
Damn the bishops for taking it lying down

Source: http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/opinion/13826-damn-the-bishops-for-taking-it-lying-down
FREE FIRE by Teddy Locsin, Jr.

aaahhh, one of my favorite writers; a choice cut.  thanks, fr chic!

The issue of the bishops’ Pajeros was from the start an obvious demolition job directed at the Catholic Church so as to weaken its resistance to the birth-control bill which is immorally premised on the hope and proposition that only the select few (who can afford it) deserve to be born into the next generation.

not, for the life of me, will the church weaken its stand.  but it may weaken the support of the faithful.  we can only hope not.  rumored pajeros have nothing to do with the odious project of having fewer of us only because it would mean more mouths to feed.  (since when did poverty become a blight, or a sin?)

I have elsewhere conclusively proved, in an article of Tolstoyan proportions and Kantian acuity, that the bill has only slimmest relevance to reproductive health and women’s empowerment, while Nobel laureate Amartya Sen proved that educating women better empowers them to say “no” to more children than their mates can pay to maintain.

The real and only purpose of the misleadingly labeled reproductive-health bill is to enforce artificial birth control on a rampantly randy colored race through the free distribution of expensive contraceptives (not covered by the Cheaper Medicine Act) to be sold by the giant pharmaceutical firms that are bankrolling the RH bill. There is no birth-control program anywhere in the white world.

right on!

To continue, the vehicles purchased by the bishops with money given by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office were not Pajeros but second- even thirdhand utility vehicles for social work. None of the vehicles could be described—as the PCSO and government spokesmen repeatedly lied—as luxury or even remotely midrange.

The government’s aim in exposing the donations was to make the bishops look like crooks, the Catholic Church like a den of thieves, and Aquino like Jesus driving the moneychangers from the Temple.

huh?  when, then, is the crucifixion?  too bad the virgin mother went ahead (aka tita cory; allusion for purposes of teddy boy's article only, with apologies).

in fairness to p-noy, his surprise at what, if anything, has he got to do with this revelation of a pcso "scandal" (as quoted in another thread somewhere here in tb), is worth second thoughts.  but then, well... as they say, leadership responsibility counts.
 
But the Aquino administration, though its credibility is now shattered, did succeed in arousing Catholic contempt for the Catholic Church, especially among its stoutest defenders.

i may hazard to guess that not all is lost.  at least, there are defenders who will defend the church to the death, even in tb.

All right-thinking and right-feeling Catholics now despise the Church for allowing our religion to be insulted, traduced, shamed and dragged in the mud with no more resistance than a Jew in a ghetto in a pogrom. Christ counseled humility but not shame; forgiveness but not submission.

The history of the Catholic Church is one of proud assertion and militancy born of the conviction of its infallibility. The timidity of the Filipino Catholic Church strongly suggests that its bishops no longer believe in the truth of the Church or in its imperishability despite Christ’s promise that he had built her on unyielding rock and not on the rolling pebbles of public opinion.

this, too, shall pass.

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« Reply #48 on: July 21, 2011, 08:30:08 AM »

 Isla, abi nakog gi regalo na ang SPRATLY ni Goyang GMA sa mga Tsik-in! :D

pyawsingi!  ilegalo ni goyang dat which is olledi mine, akolding to my histoly? ;D

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« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2011, 09:02:19 AM »
I have elsewhere conclusively proved, in an article of Tolstoyan proportions and Kantian acuity...

He he, attaboy, er, attateddyboy... ;D

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« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2011, 09:04:57 AM »
i may hazard to guess that not all is lost.  at least, there are defenders who will defend the church to the death, even in tb.

Indeed. Of all shapes and sizes--and textures... ;D

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« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2011, 09:51:44 AM »
i may hazard to guess that not all is lost.  at least, there are defenders who will defend the church to the death, even in tb.

Indeed. Of all shapes and sizes--and textures... ;D

Lest we forget the promise, este, DA PRAMIS diay ni bossing sa iyang mga tinun-an  ;)



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« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2011, 02:06:06 PM »
The Church has argued that that principle prevents the state from imposing a birth-control program that violates a genuine Catholic conscience, which is shaped not by superficial opinion fed by a superficial press but by Catholic instruction. Some may not believe this but Catholics must. It is the same with the Iglesia ni Cristo which none dare defame because its bishops are made of sterner stuff than their Catholic counterparts.

...and risk being denied the iglesia ni cristo block vote during elections, which our retarded politicians continue to believe in.  meantime, that religious sect does brisk business with the government.  consider the hundreds of thousands of vehicle plate numbers.  that's an iglesia ni cristo church business with the government, which we end-users pay for.  no complaints, no protests, no bad publicity.  come on, we will always have religion in whatever form it takes.

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« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2011, 02:22:03 PM »
Not surprisingly, the main attack made by the administration and its senatorial allies against the Catholic Church involved the separation of church and state.

when, oh when can we take separation of church and state in a more nuanced understanding?

fr. joaquin bernas, sj, jsd, a priest, lawyer, philippine constitution expert, member of the 1986 constitutional commission, dean emeritus of the ateneo law school, put it thus:

"...there always seems to be a need for clarifying from time to time what separation of church and state means, even if I myself always prefer to describe the phenomenon by the more technical phrase “non-establishment of religion.”  The technical clause has a better chance of conveying the precise meaning of what is referred to commonly as separation of church and state.

It is sometimes thought by some that separation of church and state means that church people should not get involved in the hurly-burly of public and political life.  In other words, they should confine themselves to the sacristy.  But to understand the subject properly one must begin with what the Constitution says.  The constitutional command says: “No law shall be passed respecting an establishment of religion ...”  Immediately it can be seen that the command is addressed not to the church but to the state.  It is the state, after all, which passes laws."


http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20100308-257275/Fundamentals-of-church-state-relations


 

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« Reply #54 on: July 21, 2011, 02:29:36 PM »
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The constitutional command, however, is more than just the prohibition of a state religion.  That is the minimal meaning. Jurisprudence has expanded it to mean that the state may not pass “laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another.”

That is the “separation part” of the constitutional command.  The other part is the “free exercise clause.”  Both are embodied in one sentence which says: “No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

When people see bishops or priests venturing into public or political life, the instinctive question that is often asked is: Is this a violation of the separation of church and state?  The question is understandable because of the frequent use of the phrase “separation of church and state,” and people often equate church with bishops or priests.  But the negative command of the Constitution is addressed not to bishops or priests but to the state and those who exercise state authority.  As to bishops and priests, the pertinent part of the constitutional command is the guarantee of the free exercise of religion.

So insistent, in fact, is the Constitution on this freedom of religion that it goes on to add: “The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed.  No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.”  The beneficiaries of this freedom include bishops and priests and clerics and ministers of religion of every kind.  More than that, they are also protected by the freedom of speech and assembly of the Constitution.


more at: http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view/20100308-257275/Fundamentals-of-church-state-relations



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