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Bishops cleared
« on: July 14, 2011, 05:19:54 AM »
Donations to prelates legal - Senate
By MARIO B. CASAYURAN
July 13, 2011, 1:42pm


MANILA, Philippines — For days, seven bishops were vilified and subjected to all sorts of name-calling for receiving Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office (PCSO) funds they used to purchase vehicles needed for their charity work. No matter what their explanations and justifications were, public opinion was against them.

Wednesday, however, they suddenly turned immaculate after the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee considered the controversial case closed after hearing their side and the return of seven vehicles – the subjects of the controversy.

“There was nothing irregular. The legal test has been met – that is the use of funds or vehicles was for a secular purpose, to help the people and not for religious purposes. We are very satisfied. There was closure (to the controversial issue). They were able to explain their side. The PCSO said they are sorry there were no Pajeros (involved but other sports utility vehicle models),” Sen. Teofisto L. Guingona, Blue Ribbon Committee chairman said.

Before the Senate panel cleared the seven bishops, Sen. Miriam Defensor Santiago said the Commission on Audit (CoA) report that the grant of P6.49 million to certain dioceses of the Catholic Church violates the Constitution “is wrong and that there was no constitutional violation.”

“Under the Constitution, the power of the CoA is to audit government funds, not to settle questions of constitutional law. That power is granted only to the Supreme Court. CoA should have recommended that the constitutional issue should be raised with the Department of Justice (DoJ) which is the official legal adviser of the executive branch of the government,” she said.



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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 05:20:56 AM »
Guingona expressed optimism that after the Senate committee hearing, the PCSO would issue clearer guidelines in the use of PCSO funds.

“I am glad that they (protagonists in the controversy) all met here and this is a testament to the effectiveness of the Blue Ribbon Committee in seeking the truth,” he said.

The committee resumes its hearing Thursday on other issues.

These issues include questionable PCSO lottery equipment, the alleged 40-percent exaction by a PCSO officer from the advertising contracts of media organizations, and a closed door meeting with former PCSO General Manager Rosario Uriarte on the equally controversial and the alleged misuse of P325 million PCSO intelligence fund during the Arroyo administration.

Hoping to douse cold water to the heat triggered by their receipt of PCSO funds, the seven Catholic Church prelates came to the Senate public hearing and returned their vehicles – mostly 4x4 vehicles.

The return was officially announced by Archbishop Orlando B. Quevedo, OMI, of the Archdiocese of Cotabato, when he and several prelates, particularly the seven bishops, appeared before the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee.

“We express our sadness that our sincere desire to help people and receive necessary assistance for doing so has confused, disturbed, and even scandalized many of the Catholic faithful,” Quevedo said.

“For this reason, regardless of whether the acquisition of the vehicles has been lawful or unlawful, constitutional or unconstitutional, we are returning the vehicles,” he added.

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 05:21:45 AM »
Quevedo said the vehicles in Mindanao are ready for immediate turnover to a duly authorized PCSO official.

“The vehicles in Luzon are right now outside the Senate for immediate turnover to PCSO officials,” Quevedo said during the hearing chaired by Guingona.

The receipt of the funds from the PCSO to buy vehicles of their choice triggered questions whether it was proper, legal, or constitutional owing it to the constitutional provision on the separation of Church and State.

Senate President Pro Tempore Jose “Jinggoy” Estrada, Senate Majority Leader Vicente Sotto III, and Sen. Panfilo M. Lacson asked the bishops to reconsider their decision to return the controversial vehicles to the PCSO.

Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile later joined the call of Estrada, Sotto, and Lacson that the bishops should keep the vehicles which are being used for their charity and community work in rugged, mountainous areas in Luzon and Mindanao.

But Quevedo insisted that “we can do our job without encumbrances of politics and other reasons whatsoever.”

“We shall collaborate with the PCSO but the environment has changed. Mistrust has been injected into that relationship,” he added.

PCSO Chairman Margarita Juico stressed that the problem over the SUVs could not have come to fore had the funds given to the bishops to buy their vehicles had been taken from the charity fund and not from the “grants and subsidy” fund.

Enrile thanked the prelates for their patience and forbearance in clearing up the issues needed in the current democratic system “so we can operate in a civilized manner, under a rule of law.”

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 05:23:01 AM »
Aside from Quevedo, the other prelates present Wednesday at the committee hearing were Bishop Rodolfo F. Beltran, DD, Apostolic Vicariate Bontoc-Lagawe; Bishop Leopoldo C. Juacian, SVD, DD, Diocese of Bangued, Abra; Most Rev. Martin S. Jumoad, DD, Roman Catholic prelate of Isabela, Basilan; Bishop Juan de Dios M. Pueblos, Diocese of Butuan; Archbishop Romulo G. Valles, and Rev. David William Antonio, who represented Most Rev. Ernesto A. Salgado, DD, Archbishop of Nueva Segovia, Caritas Nueva Segovia.

The PCSO funding for the bishops’ purchase of their 4x4 vehicles was highlighted by the letter of Bishop Pueblos to then President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo asking for a donation of a rugged vehicle for his diocese which is considered the biggest diocese in Mindanao. The request for donation was timed with his 66th birthday last year.

That his request was misconstrued which now pains him, Pueblos said.

Pueblos told Estrada that he is now suffering for this lapse in judgment.

The four prelates’ vehicles at the Senate parking are Isuzu Crosswind, Mitsubishi Strada, Nissan Pathfinder, and Mitsubishi L-300 passenger cab.

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 05:24:27 AM »
Meanwhile, Santiago, chairman of the Constitutional Amendments, Revision of Codes and Laws Committee, sought the repeal the PCSO charter and other laws that allocate PCSO funds to “alphabet-soup” national programs.

In her proposed August committee hearing on her move to repeal of the PCSO charter, Santiago said she would also endeavor to limit the PCSO board only to the function of regulating and supervising sweepstakes and lottery operations.

The lady senator also did not spare the state-run Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (Pagcor) from her legislative pruning knife as she stressed that the budgets and funds of both PCSO and Pagcor constitute as a “black budget.”

“Black budget means a budget insulated from public scrutiny, confined to the dark and insulated from sunshine, sneaked through the back door instead of undergoing the open process of congressional budgetary authorization,” Santiago said.

Santiago stressed these points when she addressed the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee during its public hearing on the controversial PCSO donation to Catholic Church prelates.

Santiago also asked the Blue Ribbon Committee to immediately recommend to the Ombudsman the criminal prosecution of all PCSO officials responsible for depositing in 2009 with a private commercial bank the sum of P1.548 billion without prior approval of the Department of Finance (DoF) as required by DoF Order No. 2705.

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 05:26:45 AM »
Under existing laws, PCSO generates revenues from the sale of sweepstakes and Lotto tickets with 55 percent going to the prize fund, 30 percent to the charity fund and 15 percent to the operating fund.

Based on the 2009 COA report, the PCSO aggregate deposits from these funds amounted to P7.6 billion.

“To give the PCSO board the power to allocate the galactic sum of P7.6 billion a year is to excavate a yawning democratic deficit. The current situation is feudal and contrary to best international practice,” Santiago pointed out.

“The best practice is the One-Fund concept under which all government revenues are remitted to the Treasury and disbursed only as authorized by Congress,” she said.

“There should be no President’s Social Fund because the entire budget is already his budget. That is why we call it the President’s budget,” she explained.

Santiago said that only the President and Congress should prioritize and allocate the fund, except the five percent of the lotto earnings which shall be given to local government units (LGUs) and only 10 percent should be allocated for administrative purposes.

Meanwhile, given the choice, PCSO officials prefer that the bishops who received vehicle donations under the Arroyo administration keep them for their respective community work in their dioceses, PCSO General Manager Jose Ferdinand M. Rojas II said after the seven bishops returned them Wednesday.

Rojas said in Filipino that "if, possible, we, in the PCSO, will encourage the bishops to keep the vehicles and continue to use them for their charity works.”

“Anyway, there is no sin in asking and receiving. It is the giving that might be put in doubts,” said Rojas. (With a report from Edd K. Usman) -- http://www.mb.com.ph/

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 06:13:13 AM »
Wa sila maminaw ni Ms Isle nga niingon, "Ganus-a god nahimong sala ang mangayo. Magbuot mog mangayo kog train ni Barrack?" Bwahahaha  ;D



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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 07:55:29 AM »
Gusto lang mopapel ang mga senador, pero human na sila pasidan-i ni Ms. Isle. Gihatagan nag instructions ni Ms. Isle ang mga senador unsay saktong desisyon, pero nihangyo lang nga hatagan silag higayon maka-earn og pogi points...

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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 09:35:41 AM »
Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile later joined the call of Estrada, Sotto, and Lacson that the bishops should keep the vehicles which are being used for their charity and community work in rugged, mountainous areas in Luzon and Mindanao.

But Quevedo insisted that “we can do our job without encumbrances of politics and other reasons whatsoever.”

“We shall collaborate with the PCSO but the environment has changed. Mistrust has been injected into that relationship,” he added.

Mao jud... :P

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 10:16:46 AM »
The PCSO funding for the bishops’ purchase of their 4x4 vehicles was highlighted by the letter of Bishop Pueblos to then President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo asking for a donation of a rugged vehicle for his diocese which is considered the biggest diocese in Mindanao. The request for donation was timed with his 66th birthday last year.

That his request was misconstrued which now pains him, Pueblos said.

Pueblos told Estrada that he is now suffering for this lapse in judgment.

Si Bishop Pueblos bitaw tawon ang nasentro ani nga hitaboa...

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 03:25:25 PM »
Si Bishop Pueblos bitaw tawon ang nasentro ani nga hitaboa...

With special love letter man pud si Bishop Pueblos gud. ;D

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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 04:18:08 PM »
Guingona expressed optimism that after the Senate committee hearing, the PCSO would issue clearer guidelines in the use of PCSO funds.

“I am glad that they (protagonists in the controversy) all met here and this is a testament to the effectiveness of the Blue Ribbon Committee in seeking the truth,” he said.

Hilom, oi. Gayaya lang inyong bugan. Effectiveness sa imong kigol...  >:(

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2011, 04:19:12 PM »
With special love letter man pud si Bishop Pueblos gud. ;D

Maoy nakaparat, ang suwat-suwat... :P

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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2011, 09:06:08 PM »
Guingona expressed optimism that after the Senate committee hearing, the PCSO would issue clearer guidelines in the use of PCSO funds.

“I am glad that they (protagonists in the controversy) all met here and this is a testament to the effectiveness of the Blue Ribbon Committee in seeking the truth,” he said.

grandstanding idiot.  it's like saying he needed the prelates to show that the committee he is chairing is effective.  whew!  that's what we get for voting his kind into office.  now, who investigates the senate that makes its own rules on how much its members get in allowances and pork barrel, such that in our country legislators have become public works godfathers?  omerta!  :o   

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2011, 09:17:20 PM »
“There was nothing irregular. The legal test has been met – that is the use of funds or vehicles was for a secular purpose, to help the people and not for religious purposes. We are very satisfied. There was closure (to the controversial issue). They were able to explain their side. The PCSO said they are sorry there were no Pajeros (involved but other sports utility vehicle models),” Sen. Teofisto L. Guingona, Blue Ribbon Committee chairman said.

too late the hero.  the damage had been done.  quite hypocritical, too.  these very same people would just as soon give in to the demands of the iglesia ni cristo in exchange for that religious sect's block vote. 

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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2011, 09:30:06 PM »
Wa sila maminaw ni Ms Isle nga niingon, "Ganus-a god nahimong sala ang mangayo. Magbuot mog mangayo kog train ni Barrack?" Bwahahaha  ;D
Gusto lang mopapel ang mga senador, pero human na sila pasidan-i ni Ms. Isle. Gihatagan nag instructions ni Ms. Isle ang mga senador unsay saktong desisyon, pero nihangyo lang nga hatagan silag higayon maka-earn og pogi points...
;D

unzah man neh?  nag-atbang ang duhang bugal-bugalon? ;D  pasalamat hinoon ko nga never gyod ko ma-senador kay never gyod ko molansar gawas tingalig pagka-presidente sa dajong.  (regret lang nako kay anang pagka-presidenteha baka sakali, di gihapon ko kahatag ug 4x4 ni fr chic ug monsignor hubag.  dos por dos pa hinoon, oldataym.) ;D

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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2011, 12:53:54 AM »
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It came out in the hearing this morning that Margie Juico was told that the vehicles given were all Pajeros. I hope it was not Mitsubishi who told Margie for cheap publicity. She admitted that she did not bother to check and just lambasted the bishops for receiving SUVs.  Turned out these were pickups and other old vehicles, not Pajeros and they were indeed used to help the poor in the far flung areas where a Toyota Vios could not go. They were doing the job of the government in taking care of the country's poor. Juico apologized in the end after some tongue-lashing from some senators.  The senators asked the bishops not to return the vehicles and to continue their work but the bishops were adamant to return the vehicles kasi nasaktan talaga ang simbahan.  They are rethinking their position about working with government in helping the poor.  Some people are starting a movement to raise funds to help the bishops in their charity work, one of which is to buy vehicles so the Church to reach in far flung areas like Abra, Basilan, and many other places where Church workers have to cross streams and go over mountains to reach the poor. Let us help the poor by helping our Church help them.  Forget about government, let it do it's own work of self-destruction. Also, a move to ask for Margie Juico's resignation for her irresponsible and unkind accusations is starting. She is one government executive who is giving the Aquino Administration a bad image and a negative rating.  PNoy should fire her.


Statement of the falsely accused Bishops re PCSO donations


We have been hurt. Our Catholic Church was put in a bad light.  Our Bishops were unjustly accused and we are now fighting for JUSTICE.
The bishops were ridiculed, slandered, humiliated and embarrassed by the way Media played this up.  Commentaries from Anthony Taverna, Karen Davila, Pinky Webb, Ted Failon and others in Radio and TV- and columnists put our bishops in a very awkward position because of a LIE and false malicious accusations. Our hardworking, self sacrificing beloved dignified bishops, our Shepherds, have been labeled the "Pajero bishops". They were stripped of their dignity as HONORABLE MEN OF GOD ! They do not deserve these kind of slanderous accusations. The only way for us to accept Margie's apology is for her to submit her RESIGNATION ! There is no other way we can repair the damage she had caused the Catholic Church.


This news has reached the entire world. It damaged our Church and its hierarchy.  We love our Church. We love our bishops and many of us are hurting. The seven accused  bishops suffered so much- emotionally, and psychologically. It was outright immoral to lie about our bishops and their vehicles.   Can this nightmare happen again to our beloved Church?  How can we avoid this happening again? If she can lie about our bishops --then she can lie about other issues too. She has lost her moral ascendency to continue working for PCSO--after the spectacle she caused  !
 
Our President should take her out of office. He should be an objective leader who  disciplines his people when needed.  If Margie Juico is truly sorry for what she did, she should give up her lucrative position as Chairman of PCSO.
The  Church and our State should be working harmoniously together to address the social ills and the poorest of the poor of this country not just in Metro Manila but all over the Philippines-- including those far flung depressed villages in the most rugged terrain of our provinces. The bishops are not paid for all the painful work they do. They do it out of Christian love and out of advocacy. Is this the way we should treat them?  The government cannot  answer to all the needs of the poor. They are in dire need of a strong partnership with our Church to bring about social, and medical services and relief to the needy of our depressed areas !
 
Can anyone just ruin an institution like our Catholic Church  by these ridiculous but damaging false accusations and say sorry after they have been proven FALSE ?  There should be repercussions for these irresponsible malicious acts concocted by Chairman Margie Juico, Director Aleta Tolentino and some members of the media who mocked our bishops and made a circus out of their false accusations?  They were quick to pass judgements on our Bishops. The 200 rallyists mocking our bishops at the ground level outside of the Senate this morning diminished the position and authority of our Mother Church . The bishops were reduced to practically being called abusive looters, and corrupt men of God. Does P-Noy  tolerate his officials trashing the Catholic Church this way?  We are hurt ! We love our Catholic Faith and as Catholics, it is our moral duty to defend our Church. We should never allow our bishops to be treated this way.
 
Can someone please relay to His Excellency President Aquino this humble request--?  If Chairman Margie Juico does not want to resign, can you please relieve her from her post as PCSO Chairman in order to ease the pain she has caused all of us, our Shepherds, the Catholic faithful,and the rest of the Catholic Church. She is bad news for the Aquino Administration. She is vindictive and she magnifies negativity in the Aquino government.
 
Thank you so much. May God bless this country and our leaders, so that we will always please our God in everything we do and say !  Let us be reminded that the Catholic Church is a universal Church founded by Jesus Christ, Himself. Mocking our bishops and accusing them wrongly cause irreparable moral damages and someone has to face up to this !
 
With our prayers for a better Philippines ,


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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2011, 02:31:26 AM »
With special love letter man pud si Bishop Pueblos gud. ;D

Kini man gong taga Loon nga Obispo mahilig man makig penpal bwahahaha!!!  ;D



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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2011, 05:45:04 AM »
unzah man neh?  nag-atbang ang duhang bugal-bugalon? ;D  pasalamat hinoon ko nga never gyod ko ma-senador kay never gyod ko molansar gawas tingalig pagka-presidente sa dajong.  (regret lang nako kay anang pagka-presidenteha baka sakali, di gihapon ko kahatag ug 4x4 ni fr chic ug monsignor hubag.  dos por dos pa hinoon, oldataym.) ;D

Oi, dos por dos imbis 4x4? Mag-otso-otso na lang ko kon maohon! ;D

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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2011, 08:37:02 AM »
Wa sila maminaw ni Ms Isle nga niingon, "Ganus-a god nahimong sala ang mangayo. Magbuot mog mangayo kog train ni Barrack?" Bwahahaha  ;D


.....tinuod jud wai sala kung mangayo...pro ang kapait kay kahibaw man ang nangayo kung kinsa ang ilang gipangayuan.....kahibaw pud ang mga obispo sa rason nganong mangayo pud sila. sure sila nga dili jud sila mabalibaran.. in exchange of something????,,,,diha ang sayop!

       ........both naai vested interest...diha ang sayop  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ so embarrassing!  

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2011, 08:59:16 AM »
Naa jud hinuoy kalainan ang gihatag nga wa pangayoa ug sa gihatag kay gipangayo...

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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2011, 10:13:43 AM »
.....tinuod jud wai sala kung mangayo...pro ang kapait kay kahibaw man ang nangayo kung kinsa ang ilang gipangayuan.....kahibaw pud ang mga obispo sa rason nganong mangayo pud sila. sure sila nga dili jud sila mabalibaran.. in exchange of something????,,,,diha ang sayop!

       ........both naai vested interest...diha ang sayop  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ so embarrassing!   

opkors naman, mags.  ngano god tawong mangayo man ta sa mobalibad.  sa gagmay pa bitaw ta, di na man ta manaygon sa balay nga maningka ra ang tag-iya kun magsugod na tag pakurog sa atong dinukdok nga mga tansan dayon siyagit ug 'kasadya ning taknaa...'

the whole thing became embarrassing only because of the trial by publicity and how it was treated by the media.  there was condemnation of impropriety even before the process and constitutionality of the whole exercise were clear.

as for the gifts being "in exchange for something" from a politician like our former lady president, let's leave that to their consciences and not to our imagination.  i'll hazard though that the catholic church doesn't have much in terms of exchange (a promise of salvation from the fires of hell?  unthinkable.), unlike the iglesia ni cristo that promises block voting. 

embarrassing?  yes.  the reasons for getting embarrassed?  non-existent until whipped up, out of proportion.

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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2011, 10:54:48 AM »
Naa jud hinuoy kalainan ang gihatag nga wa pangayoa ug sa gihatag kay gipangayo...

vive le difference!  for practical reasons, karong panahona iapil usahay sa about-to-be-married ang wish list ug gifts.  (opposite sa funerals nga moingon ug 'please omit flowers'.)  kay mohatag na man lang gyod ug gifts, kana na lang gikinahanglan.  di pareha atong akong amiga nga gikasal sa una nga matod pa niya, ang wall clocks nga ilang nadawat mas daghan pa sa ilang walls.  nagpatabang na hinoon siya nakog pabaligya, atot.  naa pod koy laing amiga nga gikasal, specified gyod niya ang gustong madawat gikan nako--ironing board.  practical, right?

apparently the friendship of the former president and our bishop from loon is close enough that he can express what he needs.  i would have done the same if i were in his place.  his 'lapse in judgment' was in writing it down; it seemed as if it was beyond him that a mere letter of request in the land of crocodiles could come back to haunt him.   

if we must focus on the basics of this whole soap opera, it is the source of funds used for the gifts that's in question, not the receivers who ended up as the collateral damage.     

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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2011, 04:48:41 PM »
.....tinuod jud wai sala kung mangayo...pro ang kapait kay kahibaw man ang nangayo kung kinsa ang ilang gipangayuan.....kahibaw pud ang mga obispo sa rason nganong mangayo pud sila. sure sila nga dili jud sila mabalibaran.. in exchange of something????,,,,diha ang sayop!

........both naai vested interest...diha ang sayop  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ so embarrassing!   

Naa jud hinuoy kalainan ang gihatag nga wa pangayoa ug sa gihatag kay gipangayo...

Sipyat o sayop sa mata sa tawo... kay mao man jud na ang panan-aw sa tawo nga nakahusga na nga sipyat o sayop ang gibuhat sa usa ka tawo. In fact, hangtud karon mao pa gehapon ila pagtan-aw (maski pa na cleared, right?). Sa mga wala manghusga (sa mga ning support sa ka Obispohan), it's the other way around. In other words, it's a matter of perspective. Hence, mangayo lang gehapon kog "train" ni Barry kung maka pwestro!  ;D

Mao sad ni kinutlo sa usa ka pari from Tagbilaran sa among email group discussion:

This paragraph from the Catechism of the Catholic Church may shed some light in the discussion:

2413 Games of chance (card games, etc.) or wagers are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. The passion for gambling risks becoming an enslavement. Unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter, unless the damage inflicted is so slight that the one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant.



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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2011, 04:53:00 PM »
Ngeks na doble man akong post... ngano kaha to ??? Soweee

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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2011, 08:22:21 PM »
vive le difference! 

He he, I was actually floating in the thin air of ontology and not swimming in the murky waters of ethics… 8)

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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2011, 09:10:04 PM »
He he, I was actually floating in the thin air of ontology and not swimming in the murky waters of ethics… 8)

thanks for clearing up my foggy understanding.  :D

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« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2011, 03:34:34 AM »
He he, I was actually floating in the thin air of ontology and not swimming in the murky waters of ethics… 8)

Nag ontol-ontol (ontology) diay kas panganod sa way kasiguradohan... ug pa slide-slide (dili swimming) sa lapok/tunaan sa mga kuno naghigmata  :P

   

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« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2011, 07:41:41 AM »
thanks for clearing up my foggy understanding.  :D

He he, mao ba? Here’s a quote para mosamot kaklaro:

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. --Yogi Berra  ;D


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« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2011, 07:50:46 AM »
Nag ontol-ontol (ontology) diay kas panganod sa way kasiguradohan... ug pa slide-slide (dili swimming) sa lapok/tunaan sa mga kuno naghigmata  :P   

He he, mao jud. Sa laing pagkasulti, dili diay yanong panganod kon dili dag-om sa kaburong ug kataspok nga galutawlutaw ibabaw sa lawod sa mitamihid nga panon sa mga bawod nga gitugahan sa hiyas sa maaghop nga kinaadman ug gitahasan sa pagpabuhi sa dugo sa mga bantol nga gibayaw sa hunasan sa hudyaka…

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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2011, 10:57:24 AM »

In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. --Yogi Berra  ;D


Hehehe brayt pod nis Yogi Berra (Baseball player). Angay ni siya anggaan og You Be Gyera  ;D



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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2011, 07:48:01 AM »
He he, mao jud. Sa laing pagkasulti, dili diay yanong panganod kon dili dag-om sa kaburong ug kataspok nga galutawlutaw ibabaw sa lawod sa mitamihid nga panon sa mga bawod nga gitugahan sa hiyas sa maaghop nga kinaadman ug gitahasan sa pagpabuhi sa dugo sa mga bantol nga gibayaw sa hunasan sa hudyaka…

 ;D
       ,Nah, mura.......lawn na ning binisaya dah ;D ;D ;D...unsa ni "...gitahasan sa pagpabuhi sa dugo nga bantol...unsa man ning "dugo nga bantol???"  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2011, 05:31:58 PM »
Hehehe brayt pod nis Yogi Berra (Baseball player). Angay ni siya anggaan og You Be Gyera  ;D


He he, hala, berra! ;D

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« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2011, 05:37:11 PM »
        ,Nah, mura.......lawn na ning binisaya dah ;D ;D ;D...unsa ni "...gitahasan sa pagpabuhi sa dugo nga bantol...unsa man ning "dugo nga bantol???"  ;D ;D ;D

Bwahaha! Mao nay talikala sa mga dalilang nga gigamit pagsurko sa lawod sa pangindahay, Bay Mags... ;D

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« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2011, 05:43:38 PM »
tubaga na lang na si hubag ug kinatsila o arabo ba kaha, mags, aron daghan tang malingaw. ;D

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« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2011, 11:23:58 PM »
Bwahaha! Mao nay talikala sa mga dalilang nga gigamit pagsurko sa lawod sa pangindahay, Bay Mags... ;D
  Nah, mingsamot....ingon pud si Miss Isles, tubagon nalang ka ug kinatsila o arabo....murag di na ko kasugakod ani dah ;D

    ug kinatsila Isle...."hasta la vista, Beebee!" ra jud ni ako nahibal-an. Kung arabo? ....."abrakadabra"  :P

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« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2011, 09:25:01 AM »
tubaga na lang na si hubag ug kinatsila o arabo ba kaha, mags, aron daghan tang malingaw. ;D

Ikaw kay Tsik-in man, tubaga kuno ko sa imong native tongue bi... ;D

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« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2011, 09:26:46 AM »
   Nah, mingsamot....ingon pud si Miss Isles, tubagon nalang ka ug kinatsila o arabo....murag di na ko kasugakod ani dah ;D

    ug kinatsila Isle...."hasta la vista, Beebee!" ra jud ni ako nahibal-an. Kung arabo? ....."abrakadabra"  :P

Para dili lisod, Hinapon na lang: Sayonara, baby... (Sayona ra jud tuod)  ;D

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2011, 01:06:37 AM »
Damn the bishops for taking it lying down

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FREE FIRE by Teddy Locsin, Jr.

The issue of the bishops’ Pajeros was from the start an obvious demolition job directed at the Catholic Church so as to weaken its resistance to the birth-control bill which is immorally premised on the hope and proposition that only the select few (who can afford it) deserve to be born into the next generation.

I have elsewhere conclusively proved, in an article of Tolstoyan proportions and Kantian acuity, that the bill has only slimmest relevance to reproductive health and women’s empowerment, while Nobel laureate Amartya Sen proved that educating women better empowers them to say “no” to more children than their mates can pay to maintain.

The real and only purpose of the misleadingly labeled reproductive-health bill is to enforce artificial birth control on a rampantly randy colored race through the free distribution of expensive contraceptives (not covered by the Cheaper Medicine Act) to be sold by the giant pharmaceutical firms that are bankrolling the RH bill. There is no birth-control program anywhere in the white world.

To start with, the amount involved in the bishops’ Pajero scandal was picayune: P6 million.

To continue, the vehicles purchased by the bishops with money given by the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office were not Pajeros but second- even thirdhand utility vehicles for social work. None of the vehicles could be described—as the PCSO and government spokesmen repeatedly lied—as luxury or even remotely midrange.

The government’s aim in exposing the donations was to make the bishops look like crooks, the Catholic Church like a den of thieves, and Aquino like Jesus driving the moneychangers from the Temple.

Not surprisingly, the main attack made by the administration and its senatorial allies against the Catholic Church involved the separation of church and state.

The Church has argued that that principle prevents the state from imposing a birth-control program that violates a genuine Catholic conscience, which is shaped not by superficial opinion fed by a superficial press but by Catholic instruction. Some may not believe this but Catholics must. It is the same with the Iglesia ni Cristo which none dare defame because its bishops are made of sterner stuff than their Catholic counterparts.

The Aquino administration has argued that the same principle forbids the Catholic Church from asserting politically its most cherished belief—in the priceless sanctity of life—against the secular conviction that life is only for those who can afford it and not for those who cannot.

The Aquino administration accused the Catholic Church of violating the separation of church-and-state principle, as much by accepting the PCSO’s money to purchase utility vehicles for social work, as by politically asserting its most cherished belief in the priceless sanctity of human life against the Aquino administration’s opposed view that life is only as good as its economic contribution and drops in value when supply outstrips demand. The Aquino administration believes that religious belief can only find private expression and never political action—a view that would have denied Cory Aquino the faith-based political power to liberate her people.

In this battle of beliefs (neither one nor the other has hard science to back it) between an old religion and a new secular faith, the government has fired lies, insults and paid crowds, led by a harlot and a Chinese clown in a cardboard miter with a papier-mâché Pajero around his waist. The government-sponsored Bantay Bishops rallied around the Calvary of the Senate where it was hoped that the bishops, after the scourging at the pillar of the press, would be crucified. The bishops’ accusers and their senatorial backers were crucified instead by Miriam Defensor Santiago, defensor fidei. She gave a piece of her mind to those who don’t have any.

With machine-gun staccato of alliterative and penetrating invectives, Miriam mowed down the moral pretensions of her Senate colleagues who each take home, no questions asked, P200 million a year just in salaries and allowances paid only nominally to nonexistent staff, plus hundreds of millions in kickbacks from billions in pork barrel. Miriam accused the accuser, the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office, of smothering the bishops in ordure to cover up its odious practices like privately placing billions in PCSO funds in private banks for a margin of the interest.

Miriam did what the pathetic bishops had failed to do for themselves, for their Church, and for her dismayed children. She defamed but with utter accuracy the defamers of the Catholic religion and exposed them as what the Church was too afraid to call them: enemies of the Catholic faith. She left the Commission on Audit in shambles for wasting the time of the Senate on constitutional issues it had no authority to raise. The COA may question whether appropriated sums were spent or stolen but not whether, after being properly accounted for, it was constitutionally dispensed as well. New minted COA Commissioner Heidi Mendoza looks more fetching in office than she did out of it. Power may be an aphrodisiac, as Henry Kissinger said, but public office will definitely give you a makeover.

But the Aquino administration, though its credibility is now shattered, did succeed in arousing Catholic contempt for the Catholic Church, especially among its stoutest defenders.

All right-thinking and right-feeling Catholics now despise the Church for allowing our religion to be insulted, traduced, shamed and dragged in the mud with no more resistance than a Jew in a ghetto in a pogrom. Christ counseled humility but not shame; forgiveness but not submission.

The history of the Catholic Church is one of proud assertion and militancy born of the conviction of its infallibility. The timidity of the Filipino Catholic Church strongly suggests that its bishops no longer believe in the truth of the Church or in its imperishability despite Christ’s promise that he had built her on unyielding rock and not on the rolling pebbles of public opinion.

(Continued...)

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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2011, 01:08:51 AM »
Continuation from above...

The Church survived the Roman Empire, converted its conquerors, captured Jerusalem, beat back Islam from the Christian heartland, purged Spain of impurity, stopped the Reformation from spilling out of its Germanic birthplace, and beat the pagans wherever she took the faith—in New England or in New Guinea. If Catholic charities, Catholic schools and Catholic hospitals closed down, Alvin Capino has said, the US would collapse in crisis in all three dimensions.

Yet before alcoholics who can neither hold their drink nor keep from sliding from the sofa to the floor of the Peninsula lobby, it has succumbed as though before the Caesars with whom it would be absurd to compare them. Nero had musical talent; it takes none to raise a bottle to your lips or drive a new car into a ditch.

Shame then on the Catholic Church, which abjectly apologized to crooks, as Miriam showed them to be. Rather than apologize, it should have excommunicated its detractors for traducing the Church. Had not one of its brightest lights, the Jesuit scholar Bernas, already showed there is nothing illegal or unconstitutional in faith-based initiatives like government grants to churches for secular purposes? Then would Aquino have gone on his knees and crawled to Canosa, as did Henry, to beg forgiveness of the Church he defamed.

This shame cannot be wiped away until the Church pays back the government in the same coin it was dealt at the Senate. If it doesn’t go on the attack in every pulpit in the land, then should all true Catholics turn their backs on this ridiculous, faithless and timid religion.

Christ said, “You cannot serve God and Mammon” yet these were not even Pajeros. Christ said, “What does it profit a man if he gain the whole world but lose his soul”—but for a 10-year-old utility van to ferry the poor from sickbed to dying bed in ill-provisioned, germ-infested, decrepit public hospitals?

Goddamn the bishops for their timidity and abjectness; Goddamn them for hesitating even a minute to return their “Pajeros”; may they all go to hell for shaming our religion. In this scandal of lies, the government knocked the crown of glory from the head of the Church; if our bishops will stoop only to bow to their traducers rather than retrieve it, then every right-thinking Catholic should pick it up from the gutter and shove it down the throat of the government.

The SWS surveys may be right that most Catholics do not care much for their religion or its basic belief in life over death and eternity over extinction. If the surveys are right but Catholicism is true in its promises and its threats (as was drilled into us in school), then that is all for the good. There will be more room in heaven for the few who believe every word of the Credo and hotter and more crowded in hell for the rest.

There is a misguided view that the Church depends for its vitality on multiplying the multitude of the faithful, on quantity over quality. Where does it say that in scripture or Church teaching? One woman kneeling in a pew whispering the rosary fills a cathedral. Christ came and died to give mankind one more chance at redemption—but only one. Salvation is for the select.

True, the faithful may turn out to be just a few but a happy few; a band of brothers and sisters. The fewer, another Catholic king said, the greater each his or her share of glory and the certainty of redemption. I often miss Mass but I know it is a sin when I fail to do so. There are no excuses. It is the privilege of a Catholic to be filled with remorse when he fails in the Faith and with rage at those who defame it.


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