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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 12:21:54 PM »
Enzo,

You may be interested. My uncle jes wrote in his book titled, "From Spanish Yoke to American Harness," about Rizal's (unknown) visit to Bohol while he was in exile in Dapitan. This was probable since his brother-in-law was exiled here in Sitio Ubos (now Poblacion 1 of Tagbilaran.

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2008, 12:43:02 PM »
It was his friend Blumentritt who pursued him to go back to Europe, but he preferred to be an exile in Dapitan. He did community service to people most them are Boholanos descent. Because Dapitan is partly a Bo-ol Kingdom dominion with Thalassacracy form of Government( By Dr. Jess Tirol).

He befriended many Boholanos in fact at one time he travel and visit Bohol.
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2008, 12:51:24 PM »
i read the book and sir jes is a friend, in fact, we had long time debating about certain topics like but Rizal's visit to Bohol (as he insisted based sa mga tigulang iyang nainterview)... until now, am not convinced!!! Yes, am not convinced jud...there're no records as he admitted in the book. mga circumstancial evidences lang...

that time daghang nagparizal rizal adto...

matod pa sa book, ang subjects nga giinterview mga old na so dii na mamakak... most of them were not "elite" so definitely, dali lang mailad kung naay magparizal rizal adtong panahuna kay wala man siya kaila ni rizal personally.

of course, naay taga bohol nga ming=adto sa zamboanga nagpatambal ni rizal.... recorded na siya.

but rizal didn;t mention in his diary and letters that he visited bohol. bohol is a wonderful place, syaro dili kagama si rizal og mga poems dedicated to bohol... kara visit niya naa jud na siyay poems about the place and people. first time gud niya mingtravel so maamazed jud siya sa bohol.

wayback in 2001 when i visited a place in sierra bullones, i met an old man who's a rizalian. he showed to me iyang mga collection ni dr. rizal, jacket, cap, etc..of rizal and pictures ni rizal when he was young. the man was sane... later, i'd learned nga rizalian siya mao daghan diay siya pics of rizal...

that old man noy datahan convinced me nga iyang gikugos kugos si rizal sa gamay pa..and he went to dapitan kay follower siya ni rizal...

naluoy lang ko ni noy datahan kay hunahuna iya kadtong iyang gikugos niya si rizal kuno... ug iyang nahinabi si rizal pud mao gitagaan siya sa jacket daw ug kalo.... wala man gud siya kahibaw. in short, mailad intawon.

mao to kadtong nainterview sa book, i believe the same situation lang ni noy datahan.

you know what i can write about rizal nga natog sa among balay... LOL!

P.S. i like andres bonifacio.

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2008, 12:55:14 PM »
granting nga si rizal ming-anhi sa bohol,,, sa book nanambal siya sa taloto district, didto siya gisugat kay didto man ang bangka mingdunggo.. so minglabay siya sa amua kay agianan ra baya ang booy sa taloto.

matod pa sa mga katiguwangan, mingkaon pa siya og koja sa caingget beach (kay sakop man sa booy ang caingget)... sikat na daan ang place sa koja, so rizal wala karesist sa kalami sa koja. wonder why? sa iyang mga poem? nakamention siya og seashell....nalimot lang sa name.

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2008, 12:55:51 PM »
Freemasonry, for your information, is not a RELIGION. It is a fraternity, a brotherhood of men, who believe and serve God (no matter what denomination or affiliation one has!) and his people. The center of their principles is based on the bible.

It just happened that the Freemasons during the Spanish times were also revolutionaries who are against the Spanish Government, which was basically ruled by the Spanish Friars.

Freemasonry is NOT AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. They were against the oppression done by the Friars to the Filipino people.

I should know. I belong to a Masonic Family. 

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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2008, 12:59:22 PM »
the leader kay natugkan og sungay..... mao sagaran members kay rich!!!

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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2008, 01:03:11 PM »

Pero Leo, motuo ka ug dili nagtukod kog association sa Manila. Katilingbang Bisaya kasagarang membro naho mga taga Mindanao. 2/3 nila mga Boholano ang ilang Lolo o Lola sa tuhod. I'm wondering why,but anlyzing and reading Dr. Jess Tirol's article morag naay kamatuoran.

Of course its subject to debates, labina kon way evidence.

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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2008, 01:07:12 PM »
hahaha mao jud.... mingkaon lagi siya koja sa caingget <LOL

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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2008, 01:17:30 PM »
[quote author=Melrose link=topic=14395.msg174929#msg174929 date=1218084951]
Freemasonry, for your information, is not a RELIGION. It is a fraternity, a brotherhood of men, who believe and serve God (no matter what denomination or affiliation one has!) and his people. The center of their principles is based on the bible.

It just happened that the Freemasons during the Spanish times were also revolutionaries who are against the Spanish Government, which was basically ruled by the Spanish Friars.

Freemasonry is NOT AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. They were against the oppression done by the Friars to the Filipino people.

I should know. I belong to a Masonic Family. 
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Melrose, kaingon Assebly of God ang mga Tirol kay at one ni attend kog prayer meeting didto sa Balay ni Judge Bernaldez sa Tirol Compound ug naka attend pod ko ilang service sa UB Gym sa new Engineering Bldg.

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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2008, 01:24:13 PM »
Leo, nailad na sab kay ang orig nga Anoy Datahan patay na long time ago. He father almost 100 children ang mga inahan sa ijang mga anak, ija ra sang kaugalingon anak nga mga babaye.

Seguro kadtong imong nakasulti naa toy genetic disorder kay apo na to ni Anoy Datahan.

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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2008, 01:27:37 PM »

Ako maligo ko sa Caingit mokaon man pod ko ug kuja, saw-saw sa tam-is nga tuba nga bag-ong dawat.

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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2008, 01:33:51 PM »


that is true Rald, Dr Josh was a Mason that was why the fars was angry at him... kinda...

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2008, 01:34:01 PM »
FREEMASONS like Rizal fought against the Friars. That's why Rizal was branded ANTI-CHRIST during his time (even up to these days). Freemasons in Bohol were not accepted by the Catholic Church that's why they built their own cemetery. Although, this has changed overtime.

An "exclusivist" evangelical christian group has been publishing booklets against Freemasonry and Rizal branding them as evil, satanic, anti-christ.

Such finger-pointing is an illogical, unreasonable, childish, unchristian act. They point their fingers at something they don't really know about and don't really understand.

One cannot be a freemason if one does not believe in God and the bible. So, who's evil, eh? 

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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2008, 01:37:07 PM »
Mel ang akong nahibaw-an kay they have God, but the father...

Sa panahon ni Rizal man gud kay ang Pinas was in the midst of transistion with the transformation sa pagka Katoliko...

ang i remembered nga ang mga friars were the ones who deceived our people about the rules and law,

unya kay si Rizal di man nila ma chacha kay bright man...

mao to...

sumpay Rose, kay murag hanas kaajo ka ana! gi taya taya na ko diri dear!

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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2008, 01:39:35 PM »

Bitaw, I know some of them using it to gain high position in the Government or in the Military. Ka Lodge si ano, Ka brod si ganyan. Di ba parang corruption na ni.

Morag na lihis na ilang purpose kay sa guisugdan ni Dr. Josh

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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2008, 01:40:32 PM »



This was very well said Vids! this is what i want to read...

that was why i was asking Insoy who were responsible sa execution ni Dr Josh, kay it has something to do with the friars...

(social studies mo diha???)

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2008, 01:41:59 PM »
Rald, dili religious group nor a religion ang Masonry. It's an organization composed of men (lalaki). Naay Mason nga Katoliko, naay "protestante" basta naa kay ginoo sa imong kinabuhi. 

The Tirols are bible-believing Christians. I don't call myself protestant. Kay ngano, kinsa akong gi-portestahan?

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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2008, 01:48:53 PM »
nope, am wrong... he;s anoy DAHAN, not datahan. taga matin-aw, sierra bullones, bohol. i know mariano "anoy" datahan....


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Inside the Masons
The fraternal order has long been the target of conspiracy theories and hoaxes. Here's the real story
By Jay Tolson
Posted 8/28/05
The 1820s looked as though they would be the best of times for the special relationship between the fraternal order of Freemasonry and the young American nation. It wasn't just because so many prominent members of the founding generation--George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and indeed 13 of the 39 signers of the Constitution--had been members. It was also because the rapidly growing republic and the fraternal society still held so many ideals in common. American republican values looked like Masonic values writ large: honorable civic-mindedness, a high regard for learning and progress, and what might be called a broad and tolerant religiosity. Indeed, says Steven Bullock, a historian at Worcester Polytechnic Institute and a leading scholar of the Masonic fraternity in America, Freemasons "helped to give the new nation a symbolic core."

Not for nothing were the compass, square, and other emblems associated with Freemasonry emblazoned everywhere, even on jewelry, furniture, and table settings belonging to Masons and many non-Masons as well. Nor was it insignificant that a goodly number of Americans thought--erroneously but justifiably--that the Great Seal of the United States itself contained Masonic symbols. It was both a tribute and a liability to the brotherhood that people saw the influence of Freemasonry even where it didn't exist.

Since the Revolution, Freemasons had become the semiofficial celebrants of American civic culture. Wearing their distinctive aprons and wielding the trowels of their craft--the original Masons were in fact stonemasons--they routinely laid the cornerstones of important government buildings and churches and participated prominently in parades and other public ceremonies. When the aging Lafayette made his return tour of the United States in 1824-25, members of the "craft" (as Masonry is called) conspicuously greeted their fellow Mason, often inviting him to stay at the local lodge. That tour further boosted Masonic membership, which had grown from 16,000 in 1800 to about 80,000 in 1822, or roughly 5 percent of America's eligible male population.

How, then, did what looked like the best of times for Freemasonry so quickly become the worst of times? Part of the answer can be found in the public's divided reaction to Lafayette's tour, suggests historian Mark Tabbert, curator of Masonic and fraternal collections at the National Heritage Museum in Lexington, Mass., in his new book, American Freemasons: Three Centuries of Building Communities. To many citizens, those conspicuous displays of fraternal affection for a foreign nobleman smacked of something both elitist and conspiratorial. Quite simply, Tabbert writes, they "heightened suspicion of the craft as an international order with secrets and a radical revolutionary past."

Not so secret. It was not the first time Freemasonry would meet with such a response. From its birth as an organized fraternal movement in early-18th-century London to this very day, Freemasonry has been the object of wide curiosity and occasional intense suspicion. With its elaborate secret rituals, its involvement with both ancient wisdom and modern Enlightenment science and reason, and its relatively exclusive membership (applicants must ask to join and are then vetted and voted upon), the Masonic brotherhood has proved almost tailor-made for weavers of conspiracy theories or opportunistic authors eager to make a buck by imaginatively "exposing" the secret ways and even more secret ambitions of the craft. If the "grand secret" of Freemasons, as brother Benjamin Franklin once said, "is that they have no secret at all," those who suggest otherwise--including novelist Dan Brown of Da Vinci Code fame in his forthcoming novel, The Solomon Key --have seldom gone wanting for a receptive audience.

The real history of Freemasonry is arguably more interesting than all the tales woven about it. But that history is at least in part the story of the many fanciful interpretations of the brotherhood. Indeed, the Masons' substantial accomplishments--in forming solid citizens, in forging social networks, in mending certain social divisions, in supporting philanthropic causes--are all the more remarkable in the face of past efforts to defame or even dismantle the organization.

One such effort erupted into a broad social and political movement in America less than two years after Lafayette's triumphal tour, though this effort was largely triggered by the shenanigans, or something criminally worse, of several overzealous New York members. In the summer of 1826 in the upstate town of Batavia, a disgruntled ne'er-do-well claiming to be a Mason, William Morgan, declared his intent to publish a book revealing the secrets of one of the higher-degree Masonic societies, the Royal Arch, that had earlier blackballed his candidacy. Arrested twice on charges trumped up by local Masons, the would-be exposer was mysteriously abducted and either run out of the country or killed. Charges were brought against the likely suspects, Masons all, but after some 20 trials, writes Bullock in his book Revolutionary Brotherhood: Freemasonry and the Transformation of the American Social Order, 1730-1840 , "only a handful of convictions resulted, all followed by minor jail terms." To a growing number of Americans already wary of the power of the craft, it looked as though Masons had gotten away with murder. And to many of those same Americans, everything that prominent evangelical ministers had been saying against Freemasons--that they were deists or believers in "natural" religion or necromantic cultists--seemed to be confirmed by this signal act of unrighteous behavior.

"Morgan committees" that originally set out to establish the truth about the crime soon became the spearhead of a statewide movement and then a national Anti-Masonic Party dedicated to driving the Masons out of existence. Pennsylvania and Vermont elected Anti-Masonic governors, and former U.S. Attorney General William Wirt ran for president on the party's ticket in 1832, winning Vermont's electoral votes and about 8 percent of the national popular vote.

The party soon disappeared as the Democratic and new Whig parties stepped up their organizational efforts to dominate the national political scene. But in addition to providing a model for future American single-issue movements, from abolitionism and temperance to today's Green Party, the anti-Masonic movement nearly drove the fraternity out of existence. New York State was home to about 500 local lodges in the mid-1820s, but only 26 lodges could muster representatives to attend the statewide grand lodge meeting in 1837. Almost two thirds of Indiana's lodges had shut down by the same year. By the end of the 1830s, Masonry was making a slow comeback, but, as Bullock writes, "it would never again recover the exalted position that had once seemed Masonry's just due."

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« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2008, 01:52:39 PM »

Protestant are called protestant because during the time of Martin Luther of the Lutheran Church, iya  man guikawat ang biblia unya translate from Latin so daghan na nakabasa. Kanidto kono bawal mabasa sa biblia. Kadtong rang mga Pare nga kamao ug latin.

Bitaw, tino-od jud na imo nga naay mga mason nga maayong tawo, akong Amigo si Congressman Sid Aligada sa OFW, mason to sya pero born again sab.



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