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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2008, 10:52:13 PM »
closely realted ang dialect na boholano ug cebuano pero ang tagabohol makasabot sa lawon na cenebuano pero ang taga cebu dili kasabot sa lawom na binol-ano. wa man gani kaila ug tuyo ng mga cebu? katawa lang mga tagalog
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2008, 11:19:59 PM »
if Filipino is our nationality... ang atong tawag sa atong kaugalingon as opposed to other Filipinos (Bisaya, Ilonggo, Tagalog) is what could be termed as regionalism. we tend to specifically stick and associate ourselves with the specific places we come from, aside from claiming our nationality as Filipinos.
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2008, 01:46:40 AM »
mo-appreciate man gyud tas atong lumadnon nga pinulungan ug sa atong gigikanan...sama sa pagka-bol-anon. apan kung maantigo sad ta maminaw sa ubang
sinultihan, daghan sad tag makat-unan.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2008, 06:54:24 AM »
Tinu-od kaajo na Glace. Kinahanglan jod nga ablihan ang atong mga ulo sa tanang butang nga bag o pa sa atung paminsar para makat unan ni nato ug magamit sa maayong hinungdan. Diha jod nakabintaha ang mga Boholano sa atong pagka resilient ug flexible. Mao nga bisag asa idunggo ang mga Bol-anon molampos gihapon.
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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2008, 04:22:00 AM »
Ngano kahang libugon paman na nila ang ilang utok oi nga bisan pag unsaon nato ug bali-balit-ad Filipino man jud paingon. Kay bisan asang dapita pa sa pilipinas gikan, bisan taga lasang pa, Filipino gihapon na.
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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2008, 09:13:34 AM »
Ila man gong gipang usab ang mga pangan nato! Sama sa 'Filipino' ug 'Pilipino'. Ngano man nga ang 'P' gialisdan man ug 'F'? Sa atong alpabeto, walay litrang 'F', ngano man kahang wa man nila iapil kanang litraha? Nga unta nagamit man diay sad nato?

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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2008, 10:04:13 AM »
Filipino? Pilipino? Tagalog?
What's the difference?
   

The basis for the Philippine national language is Tagalog, which had primarily been spoken only in Manila and the surrounding provinces when the Commonwealth constitution was drawn up in the early 1930s. That constitution provided for a national language, but did not specifically designate it as Tagalog because of objections raised by representatives from other parts of the country where Tagalog was not spoken. It merely stated that a national language acceptable to the entire populace (and ideally incorporating elements from the diverse languages spoken throughout the islands) would be a future goal. Tagalog, of course, by virtue of being the lingua franca of those who lived in or near the government capital, was the predominant candidate.

By the time work on a new constitution began in the early 1970s, more than half the Philippine citizenry was communicating in Tagalog on a regular basis. (Forty years earlier, it was barely 25 percent.) Spurred on by President Marcos and his dream of a "New Society," nationalist academics focused their efforts on developing a national language — Pilipino, by that time understood to be Tagalog de facto. Neologisms were introduced to enrich the vocabulary and replace words that were of foreign origin. A much-remembered example is "salumpuwit" (literally, "that to support the buttocks") for "chair" to replace the widely adopted, Spanish-derived "silya." Such efforts to nativize the Philippine national language were for naught, however, since words of English and Spanish origin had become an integral part of the language used in the everday and intellectual discourse of Filipinos.

This reality was finally reflected in the constitution composed during the Aquino presidency in the latter half of the 1980s. The national language was labeled Filipino to acknowledge and embrace the existence of and preference for many English- and Spanish-derived words. "Western" letters such as f, j, c, x and z — sounds of which were not indigenous to the islands before the arrival of the Spaniards and the Americans — were included in the official Filipino alphabet.

The aforementioned evolution of the Philippine national language is taught as part of the school curriculum in the Philippines, such that when you ask a Filipino what the national language of the country is, the response is "Filipino." In the same way that there are English (composition, literature...) classes in American elementary, secondary and tertiary schools to teach the national language of the United States, there are Filipino classes (not Tagalog classes; Filipino literature classes, not Tagalog literature classes) in Philippine schools.

So what is the difference between Filipino and Tagalog? Think of Filipino as Tagalog Plus. Filipino is inclusive of the contributions of languages other than Tagalog. For instance, it is quite all right to say "diksyunaryo" (from the Spanish diccionario) in Filipino, whereas a Tagalog purist (or someone stuck in the "Pilipino" era) might insist on a native Tagalog word like "talatinigan." It is also more politically correct to refer to Filipino, not Tagalog, as the Philippine national language. For Filipinos from other parts of the country, Tagalog is not their first language; they learn to speak Filipino because it is constitutionally the national language and taught in schools.

In practical terms, most people, especially Filipinos overseas who have come to realize that foreigners favor "Tagalog" to refer to the Philippine national language, don't strictly differentiate among the words Filipino, Pilipino and Tagalog, and have learned to adapt to how Americans or Canadians perceive the meaning of each word. That is why when you go to a bookstore in North America, for example, you are more likely to find a "Tagalog (or Pilipino) dictionary" than a "Filipino dictionary."

Postscript: Philippino, Philipino and other such misspellings are unacceptable and are jarring to Filipino eyes. Remember: Filipino is the noun that refers to the Philippine national language and to the Philippine people (Filipinos); it is also an adjective to describe people, things and such from the Philippines (the other adjective being Philippine). The country itself is called the Philippines (currently the Republic of the Philippines; formerly, and actually still, the Philippine Islands) in English, Las Islas Filipinas or simply La/Las Filipinas in Spanish, and Pilipinas in Filipino (Tagalog).

Cultural Note: Although the word "Filipino" is acceptable in Filipino (the Philippine language), most Filipinos will still say Pilipino when referring to a Filipino person while speaking in Filipino/Tagalog.

For example: "Ako ay Pilipino." ("I am Filipino.")

Why? Primarily because a "p" sound is easier for a Filipino to pronounce than an "f" sound. In fact, even though the letters c, f, j, x, z, etc. have formally been included in the Philippine/Filipino alphabet, there is still an overwhelming tendency to transliterate foreign words into native pronunciation forms.

Examples: kompyuter, kwalipikasyon, okasyon, kendi, indibidwal, sipilis...

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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2008, 10:11:46 AM »
Filipino, Pilipino and Tagalog


By Ricardo Ma. Duran Nolasco
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 22:46:00 11/14/2008

(ahong gidelete ang opinion ni dr. nolasco kay basin makiha tag violation sa copyright, visit na lang mo sa inquirer or better yet, email your querries directly to the writer)

Dr. Nolasco (rnolasco_upmin@yahoo.com) is a board member of the Linguistic Society of the Philippines, a faculty member of the UP Department of Linguistics and the Foundation for Worldwide People Power’s adviser on Mother Language Education Initiatives.
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« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2008, 10:37:59 AM »
Kalain man sab paminawon kon atong gamiton ang litrang 'f' sa mga lokal nga pangestoryahanay. Sama sa, "Si Fedro ning katkat sa fangfang unya naholug ug na fiang ang iyang faa." Korni, di ba?

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« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2008, 10:41:24 AM »
sa ilocos naa sila "f". sa ato wala jud

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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2008, 11:04:48 AM »
Nationality is Filipino.
Language is Filipino.
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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2008, 11:22:19 AM »
Mao nay giingon nila nga dili kono dali magkasinabot ang Ilocano ug Boholano. Imposible kono silang himoong lifetime partners, sama sa kaminyoon. Tinood ba ni?

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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2008, 11:26:11 AM »
Mao ba. Why man?

3 years married nako to my Ilocano hubby.

I will ask Lindy pod.

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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2008, 11:27:02 AM »
Sige, pangutana ka sa uban ngano man lagi!

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2008, 11:32:53 AM »
If you have faith and put Christ as the centre of your lives as husband and wife or father and mother, wla man cguro'y impossible.

I am thankful enough to my husband's family and relatives for being there as my second family and home. Depende cguro na kung unsay brought up pagka Ilocano.

Kung man unsa gani imo nahibaw-an about Ilocano and Boholano, feel free to share Layman.

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2008, 12:17:43 PM »
Angie, ikaw Boholana ug ang imong banana Ilokano. Pwede na basta ba nagkasinabot mong duha. Pero ang Boholano ug Ilokano di jod pwedeng mahimong magtiayon labi na diri sa Pinas.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2008, 12:49:13 PM »
ang boholano ug ilocano pareha ug origin. mao nay muexplain nganung ilado ang mga taga bohol ug ilocos as kuripot. boholanos are often referred to as "ilocanos of the south". kabantay mo sa bohol, way claro jud nga industry sa ato except sa agriculture and tourism pero left and right ang mga bangko sa cpg avenue.

mao siguro dili pwede mulangtod ang relationship sa boholano and ilocano kay basin ang mga anak puro malnourish kay wa nay kaon-kaon.hehehe lisud man ug both spouses puro tipid. dapat balanse siguro. opposites attract man daw. nya, ang ilocano ug boholana dili man opposites, so dili sila mag-attract..lol

N.B.: sa pagkakarun, the difference between old and new money sa bohol makita na. medjo gastador na ang mga bag-ong tubo, not knowing how much their forefathers sacrificed to send them to the best schools they know/can afford.

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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2008, 01:00:45 PM »
"mao siguro dili pwede mulangtod ang relationship sa boholano and ilocano kay basin ang mga anak puro malnourish kay wa nay kaon-kaon.hehehe lisud man ug both spouses puro tipid."


Kadtong mga Ilocano og Bol-anon nga mga gutom nga mag ti-ajon, ari lng mo sa among balay. Libre pagka-on.

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« Reply #38 on: December 04, 2008, 01:46:55 PM »
Angie, ang Boholana ug Ilokano pwede na sila mag minyo. Pero ang Boholano ug Ilokano dili jod pwede.

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« Reply #39 on: December 04, 2008, 01:51:56 PM »
Gotcha!

You make me smile :) . Night,night Layman.



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