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Electronic cigarettes challenge anti-smoking efforts

By Daniel Nasaw BBC News Magazine, Washington


A smoker puffs an e-cigarette in Germany, which has moved to regulate them like pharmaceuticals

A new TV advert for a brand of electronic cigarettes marks the first time in decades cigarettes of any sort have been promoted on US television. Anti-smoking campaigners fear the rapid growth of tobacco-free cigarettes could undermine years of successful anti-smoking efforts.

A handsome actor poses and struts on a beach in a stylishly shot black-and-white television spot. He puts the cigarette to his lips, takes a puff, and exhales a rich flume.

"Blu lets me enjoy smoking without it affecting the people around me, because it's vapour not tobacco smoke," says Stephen Dorff, the scruffy heartthrob star of The Immortals.

"We're all adults here, it's time we take our freedom back."

more at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20583902

Jonas Cuenin New York Photographer and e-smoker

The taste is better than real cigarettes and you don't disturb people because it doesn't smell.

You can smoke inside in public places. I smoke in restaurants, I smoke in bars. I even ended up smoking in the subway.

I think it's healthier - it doesn't give you cancer. I smoked some [tobacco] cigarettes on one night three weeks ago, and I was disgusted by it, actually.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/

WHO warnings on electronic cigarettes

   Manufacturers have not fully disclosed chemicals in nicotine solution

   The contents of the vapour emissions have not been thoroughly studied

   Health effects on users, especially long-time users, have not been studied

   Could undermine public smoking bans

   Could undermine smoking cessation efforts

   Could weaken tobacco-use prevention campaigns through their marketing as safe alternatives to smoking

Source: World Health Organization
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Pretty much expensive. Safe in a different way. I think this is one alternative of nicotine addiction besides the looming sin tax bill.

You have the benefits of nicotine , without the negative effects on the pulmonary system. This is what we recommend as a dosing method for patients who want to cease smoking effectively.

Quote from: czarprince on December 31, 2012, 10:11:10 AM
Pretty much expensive. Safe in a different way. I think this is one alternative of nicotine addiction besides the looming sin tax bill.

This is effective because the nicotine level is decreased in increment, until the patient's threshold diminishes. Better this than the actual cigarette because this one does not have the tar , which causes the transformation of respiratory epithelia, which is responsible for the development of cancer.

Quote from: Lorenzo on January 05, 2013, 04:03:16 PM
This is effective because the nicotine level is decreased in increment, until the patient's threshold diminishes. Better this than the actual cigarette because this one does not have the tar , which causes the transformation of respiratory epithelia, which is responsible for the development of cancer.

Yes, it has a tar free component and can be widely used as an alternative of nicotine for smokers. However, e-cigarettes too has side effects based on the recent studies. Instead of curbing smoking, it invokes promotion. Some people preferably nonsmokers can take out their curiosity on trying these products. For those who can't afford, pinoys are known to be resourceful in other ways, they can plant tobaccos and weeds as well.

Hmm, wa dihay electronic beer?

Quote from: czarprince on January 07, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
Yes, it has a tar free component and can be widely used as an alternative of nicotine for smokers. However, e-cigarettes too has side effects based on the recent studies. Instead of curbing smoking, it invokes promotion. Some people preferably nonsmokers can take out their curiosity on trying these products. For those who can't afford, pinoys are known to be resourceful in other ways, they can plant tobaccos and weeds as well.

Yes, like any drug, there will always be a side effect. It is imperative that the patient who is prescribed by his or her M.D to take e-cigarattes should also be educated on the reason why they are placed on this substitute; namely to reduce the instance of smoking. The patient will be counseled by the physician to implement behavioral modification -- to reduce the urge to smoke.

Patients that are prescribed to go on e-cigarettes are usually those who have developed COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases) secondary to the smoke and tar found in the cigarette. This is beneficial for the patient because the cessation of smoke inhalation and tar residues in the pulmonary tract allows the respiratory epithelia to transition back to its normal state. Secondly, it will help the patient's breathing.


Regards,
Dr. Lorenz

Quote from: hubag bohol on January 07, 2013, 11:39:12 AM
Hmm, wa dihay electronic beer?

Hahaha! kuyawa kaayo uy!

Quote from: Lorenzo on January 07, 2013, 12:05:22 PM
Yes, like any drug, there will always be a side effect. It is imperative that the patient who is prescribed by his or her M.D to take e-cigarattes should also be educated on the reason why they are placed on this substitute; namely to reduce the instance of smoking. The patient will be counseled by the physician to implement behavioral modification -- to reduce the urge to smoke.

Patients that are prescribed to go on e-cigarettes are usually those who have developed COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases) secondary to the smoke and tar found in the cigarette. This is beneficial for the patient because the cessation of smoke inhalation and tar residues in the pulmonary tract allows the respiratory epithelia to transition back to its normal state. Secondly, it will help the patient's breathing.


Regards,
Dr. Lorenz

Hehe, you forgot that not all pinoys can afford e-cigarettes in the Philippines. They can plant tobaccos in their farms. Aside from that, there's also another alternatives such as champrix, nicotine gums and patches. I don't know if these are available nowadays.

The most important thing to do is to conduct health teaching by educate people about the danger of smoking. Actually, vapors brought by e-cigarettes will not help ease in COPD patients but to encourage purse lip breathing is a better way for comfort.

By the way, have you heard about the sin tax bill?

Quote from: hubag bohol on January 07, 2013, 11:39:12 AM
Hmm, wa dihay electronic beer?

I was thinking of a brewing system. Be the first for the innovation hehe perhaps an electronic beer or a beer vending machine. Easier said than done.

Quote from: czarprince on January 07, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
I was thinking of a brewing system. Be the first for the innovation hehe perhaps an electronic beer or a beer vending machine. Easier said than done.

he he he! ma milyonir man gajud ka if you make this invention, czar.

Quote from: czarprince on January 07, 2013, 09:43:20 PM

By the way, have you heard about the sin tax bill?

Yup and it already took effect na.. Nagproblema father ko kasi most of the stores are hoarding cigarettes. Kunwari out of stock then paglabas ulet mahal na. One pack of cigarette cost almost P60.00.. Mabuti na rin yun para mabawasan smoking habit ng papa ko..

Quote from: Lollapalooza on January 08, 2013, 10:56:12 AM
Yup and it already took effect na.. Nagproblema father ko kasi most of the stores are hoarding cigarettes. Kunwari out of stock then paglabas ulet mahal na. One pack of cigarette cost almost P60.00.. Mabuti na rin yun para mabawasan smoking habit ng papa ko..

60 pesos for a pack? That's cheap. In Chicago, one pack of cigarettes is $10. 400 pesos for a pack.

Quote from: Lorenzo on January 08, 2013, 10:59:49 AM
60 pesos for a pack? That's cheap. In Chicago, one pack of cigarettes is $10. 400 pesos for a pack.

Bran daghan na gani nialma anang P60.00 what more pa kung mas taasan pa nila.. Legislators are scared if patungan pa nila ug taas nga tax ang alcohol and liquors.. Scared kay dili sila botohan sa mga tao.. hahahahah

Quote from: Lorenzo on January 08, 2013, 10:59:49 AM
60 pesos for a pack? That's cheap. In Chicago, one pack of cigarettes is $10. 400 pesos for a pack.

Philippines is among the cheapest cigarettes in Southeast Asia or the whole world. It is primarily due to inadequate tobacco tax inflation. Only 22% of it's retail price was set instead of the 70% recommendation by the WHO. What's good about it is that the revenues of the sin tax bill will be allocated for the healthcare thus improving our healthcare delivery system as well.

Quote from: czarprince on January 08, 2013, 08:11:21 PM
Philippines is among the cheapest cigarettes in Southeast Asia or the whole world. It is primarily due to inadequate tobacco tax inflation. Only 22% of it's retail price was set instead of the 70% recommendation by the WHO. What's good about it is that the revenues of the sin tax bill will be allocated for the healthcare thus improving our healthcare delivery system as well.

Hmm, on this point I keep my lips sealed and fingers crossed. Hell, as it is famously known, is paved with good intentions...

Quote from: hubag bohol on January 08, 2013, 08:19:01 PM
Hmm, on this point I keep my lips sealed and fingers crossed. Hell, as it is famously known, is paved with good intentions...

It's considered as the lowest priority when it comes to our healthcare but I know what you're thinking hehe. I'm hopeful for the plight to sustain the needs of our people.

Quote from: czarprince on January 08, 2013, 08:38:15 PM
It's considered as the lowest priority when it comes to our healthcare but I know what you're thinking hehe. I'm hopeful for the plight to sustain the needs of our people.

Speaking of laws, especially those enacted where we are, I am reminded of what Aristotle said: "It is better for a city to be governed by a good man than by good laws.”

Quote from: hubag bohol on January 08, 2013, 08:48:21 PM
Speaking of laws, especially those enacted where we are, I am reminded of what Aristotle said: "It is better for a city to be governed by a good man than by good laws.”

Reinforcing your political quote: Good laws, if not obeyed, do not constitute good government.

Quote from: czarprince on January 08, 2013, 09:02:46 PM
Reinforcing your political quote: Good laws, if not obeyed, do not constitute good government.

Government refers to those who enact, enforce and interpret the laws, not to those who are mandated to obey them.

Quote from: hubag bohol on January 08, 2013, 09:13:36 PM
Government refers to those who enact, enforce and interpret the laws, not to those who are mandated to obey them.

Well, it's the Aristocracy principle. There are two parts of the good government. The actual obedience of citizens to the laws and the goodness of the laws which they obey hence they may obey good and bad laws. Good government requires good citizenry. As what Aristotle noted, "The citizen must be moulded to suit the form of government under his living." A proper society must exist before good laws can be enforced.

Quote from: czarprince on January 09, 2013, 07:21:50 AM
There are two parts of the good government. The actual obedience of citizens to the laws and the goodness of the laws which they obey hence they may obey good and bad laws.

I take it to mean that by “government” here you mean the body politic and not the more common definition of government as consisting of a group of persons with the authority to exercise administrative control of a state.

Quote from: czarprince on January 09, 2013, 07:21:50 AM
There are two parts of the good government. The actual obedience of citizens to the laws and the goodness of the laws which they obey hence they may obey good and bad laws.

When the citizens obey bad laws, do we have a good government?

Quote from: czarprince on January 09, 2013, 07:21:50 AM
As what Aristotle noted, "The citizen must be moulded to suit the form of government under his living."

Did Aristotle say who is assigned to do the moulding?

Quote from: hubag bohol on January 09, 2013, 11:05:56 AM
When the citizens obey bad laws, do we have a good government?

It's a bit offtopic regarding this thread but let me shed on the perspective of Aristotle's philosophy. Now he stated that all government types have a negative form. Discerning the good and bad ruling. We have these forms democracy, tyranny, oligarchy and monarchy. When it must be in the hands of one, of a few, or of the many; then governments may govern for the general good or for the good of the rulers. Government by a single person for the general good is known as “monarchy”; for private benefit called “tyranny.” Government by a minority is “aristocracy” if it aims at the state’s best interest and “oligarchy” if it benefits only the ruling minority. Popular government in the common interest, he calls “polity or constitutional government.

According to Aristotle, democracy is not the best form of government. As well also true of oligarchy and monarchy. The rule in democracy is for and by the people named in the government type. In democracy, rule is by and for the needy. On the contrary, the rule of law or aristocracy literally, power which is rule of the best or even monarchy where the ruler has the interest of his country at heart or the pursue of virtue are better types of government.

One may deplore that it is not the responsibility of the city to enact laws encouraging citizens to act virtuously, but rather that moral education belongs more properly to an individual household. In Aristotle's view, "virtue must be a care for every city," because "the city exists not only for the sake of living but rather primarily for the sake of living well".

Quote from: hubag bohol on January 09, 2013, 11:07:17 AM
Did Aristotle say who is assigned to do the moulding?

If you read more about Aristotle politics, he depicted that it is the citizens with the pursuit of virtue do the moulding.

Quote from: czarprince on January 09, 2013, 08:30:19 PM
It's a bit offtopic regarding this thread but let me shed on the perspective of Aristotle's philosophy. Now he stated that all government types have a negative form. Discerning the good and bad ruling. We have these forms democracy, tyranny, oligarchy and monarchy. When it must be in the hands of one, of a few, or of the many; then governments may govern for the general good or for the good of the rulers. Government by a single person for the general good is known as “monarchy”; for private benefit called “tyranny.” Government by a minority is “aristocracy” if it aims at the state’s best interest and “oligarchy” if it benefits only the ruling minority. Popular government in the common interest, he calls “polity or constitutional government.

According to Aristotle, democracy is not the best form of government. As well also true of oligarchy and monarchy. The rule in democracy is for and by the people named in the government type. In democracy, rule is by and for the needy. On the contrary, the rule of law or aristocracy literally, power which is rule of the best or even monarchy where the ruler has the interest of his country at heart or the pursue of virtue are better types of government.

One may deplore that it is not the responsibility of the city to enact laws encouraging citizens to act virtuously, but rather that moral education belongs more properly to an individual household. In Aristotle's view, "virtue must be a care for every city," because "the city exists not only for the sake of living but rather primarily for the sake of living well".

I appreciate your lecture but let's be honest, do you believe you have answered my question? Gobbledygook is fine with me, but I'm not sure how other TB readers take it.

Quote from: czarprince on January 09, 2013, 08:36:06 PM
If you read more about Aristotle politics, he depicted that it is the citizens with the pursuit of virtue do the moulding.

Precisely. And how do "citizens with the pursuit of virtue" sit in relation to "government"?