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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2013, 09:02:46 PM »

Reinforcing your political quote: Good laws, if not obeyed, do not constitute good government. :)

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2013, 09:13:36 PM »

Government refers to those who enact, enforce and interpret the laws, not to those who are mandated to obey them.
...than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln


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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2013, 07:21:50 AM »

Well, it's the Aristocracy principle. There are two parts of the good government. The actual obedience of citizens to the laws and the goodness of the laws which they obey hence they may obey good and bad laws. Good government requires good citizenry. As what Aristotle noted, "The citizen must be moulded to suit the form of government under his living." A proper society must exist before good laws can be enforced. ::)

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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2013, 11:04:11 AM »

I take it to mean that by “government” here you mean the body politic and not the more common definition of government as consisting of a group of persons with the authority to exercise administrative control of a state.


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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2013, 11:05:56 AM »

When the citizens obey bad laws, do we have a good government?


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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2013, 11:07:17 AM »

Did Aristotle say who is assigned to do the moulding? :)

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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2013, 08:30:19 PM »

It's a bit offtopic regarding this thread but let me shed on the perspective of Aristotle's philosophy. Now he stated that all government types have a negative form. Discerning the good and bad ruling. We have these forms democracy, tyranny, oligarchy and monarchy. When it must be in the hands of one, of a few, or of the many; then governments may govern for the general good or for the good of the rulers. Government by a single person for the general good is known as “monarchy”; for private benefit called “tyranny.” Government by a minority is “aristocracy” if it aims at the state’s best interest and “oligarchy” if it benefits only the ruling minority. Popular government in the common interest, he calls “polity or constitutional government.

According to Aristotle, democracy is not the best form of government. As well also true of oligarchy and monarchy. The rule in democracy is for and by the people named in the government type. In democracy, rule is by and for the needy. On the contrary, the rule of law or aristocracy literally, power which is rule of the best or even monarchy where the ruler has the interest of his country at heart or the pursue of virtue are better types of government.

One may deplore that it is not the responsibility of the city to enact laws encouraging citizens to act virtuously, but rather that moral education belongs more properly to an individual household. In Aristotle's view, "virtue must be a care for every city," because "the city exists not only for the sake of living but rather primarily for the sake of living well". :D

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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2013, 08:36:06 PM »

If you read more about Aristotle politics, he depicted that it is the citizens with the pursuit of virtue do the moulding. :)


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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2013, 12:17:56 AM »

I appreciate your lecture but let's be honest, do you believe you have answered my question? Gobbledygook is fine with me, but I'm not sure how other TB readers take it.

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2013, 12:22:30 AM »

Precisely. And how do "citizens with the pursuit of virtue" sit in relation to "government"?

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