Author Topic: Should Roman Catholic Priest Allowed To GEt Married? (Please Help for debate) (Read 43772 times)

gwargz · « **Reply #100 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:10:33 AM »

Catholic priests, dili pwede kay naay balaod sa simbahan bahin niini.
Gimando pod ni ni Jesus Christ mismo pinaagi ni Matthew ug sa sulat
ni Pablo ngadto sa taga Corintho.
Jesus commends celibacy (Matthew 19:12), (1 Corinthians 7:32- 33).

Glac, ayaw na ko pangutan-a ug dugang kay basin mahawod ko parehas ni Lorenzo.
Hehehehe. Cheers, Bro.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #101 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:16:16 AM »

You got it brother man! he he he he !

Jesus commanded all HIS apostles to follow him.
Drop everthing and follow him.

Was he being symbolic? Oh heck no, brothers!
CHRIST JESUS WHO IS THE GREAT I AM--THE ALPHA AND OMEGA
is LITERAL!

Just as he wiped out sodom and gamorrah from the face of the earth for their sexual perversity.
Just as HE literally smothered Pharaohs Charriots in the mouth of the Sea when they chased HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL.

Jesus says the road to SALVATION is long and narrow, and not many who seek it will find it.
Because HE demands total supplication, folks!

Our God is not a God of empty promises and jokes jokes.
He is a GOD of seriousness.

Christ was not joking when he laid his life on the cross , folks.
For while we were yet sinners, He died for us.

---

Bro gwargz, great scriptural reference.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #102 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:17:07 AM »

Catholic priests, dili pwede kay naay balaod sa simbahan bahin niini.
Gimando pod ni ni Jesus Christ mismo pinaagi ni Matthew ug sa sulat
ni Pablo ngadto sa taga Corintho.
Jesus commends celibacy (Matthew 19:12), (1 Corinthians 7:32- 33).

Glac, ayaw na ko pangutan-a ug dugang kay basin mahawod ko parehas ni Lorenzo.
Hehehehe. Cheers, Bro.

hahahaha.

ayaw kahadlok nga mahawod ka, bay gwargz. kabalo man ko nga hawod kas kombento daan. kaw guy gisugo moadtos Loon papangutana sa pari. moot pod tong imong experience ba. hangos jud tawn. bibo na ba ang Panggangan karon?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #103 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:28:59 AM »

I used to contemplate and entertain thoughts of priestly ministry in my last year of college, actually.
But the only thing that prevented me from fully acting on it was the notion of total sacrifice.

I want to have children in the future, to be a physical father, by His Will.

And this was a problem that I had, after attending many various Catholic Conferences for Male Catholic Students at the Diocese of Erie, Pennsylvania and the Diocese of Pittsburgh, I talked it over with my collegiate chaplain.

His words of advice to me was, "Al, discern, you must discern the calling, if it is legitimate and genuine."
"Are you willing to sacrifice and give up everything to carry the Cross of Priestly Ministry? Can you answer the call of the Royal Priesthood?"

I could not.

I just could not do it. I was called, but I could not answer fully.

And it is okay, for me, i realize that God calls me to a different purpose in life. To live a life of a layman, and to heal the bodies of sick fellows.

----

Many are called to PRIESTHOOD, but very few can answer its calling.
Priesthood is TOTAL SACRIFICE.

It is , in my opinion, one of the greatest Sacraments...

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #104 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:40:33 AM »

Catholic priests, dili pwede kay naay balaod sa simbahan bahin niini.
Gimando pod ni ni Jesus Christ mismo pinaagi ni Matthew ug sa sulat
ni Pablo ngadto sa taga Corintho.
Jesus commends celibacy (Matthew 19:12), (1 Corinthians 7:32- 33).

Glac, ayaw na ko pangutan-a ug dugang kay basin mahawod ko parehas ni Lorenzo.
Hehehehe. Cheers, Bro.

kabalo man ta anang balaora, gwargz. mura lagi kag CFD sa una. hehehe

pero, ang ako nga pangutana ba. basi sa imong kasinatian uban sa pari/mga pari, sa imong nakita, ug nabati, ang pagminyo ba babag sa pangatungdanan sa usa ka pari?

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gwargz · « **Reply #105 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:41:06 AM »

I used to contemplate and entertain thoughts of priestly ministry in my last year of college, actually.
But the only thing that prevented me from fully acting on it was the notion of total sacrifice.

I want to have children in the future, to be a physical father, by His Will.

And this was a problem that I had, after attending many various Catholic Conferences for Male Catholic Students at the Diocese of Erie, Pennsylvania and the Diocese of Pittsburgh, I talked it over with my collegiate chaplain.

His words of advice to me was, "Al, discern, you must discern the calling, if it is legitimate and genuine."
"Are you willing to sacrifice and give up everything to carry the Cross of Priestly Ministry? Can you answer the call of the Royal Priesthood?"

I could not.

I just could not do it. I was called, but I could not answer fully.

And it is okay, for me, i realize that God calls me to a different purpose in life. To live a life of a layman, and to heal the bodies of sick fellows.

----

Many are called to PRIESTHOOD, but very few can answer its calling.
Priesthood is TOTAL SACRIFICE.

It is , in my opinion, one of the greatest Sacraments...

Bro Lorenz, God has a purpose ngano wala ka mapari. Gihimo ka niyang dual purpose. A medical practicioner and a Global Evangelizer dinhi sa TB. Layo ra kaayo ang pari nimo. Kay ang pari lungsod ray hawiran, ang uban isla ra sa Pangangan or Sandingan. Imoha kay TB man jud. Di ba, Glac? Hahahaha. Nakita nako nag-smile mo duha Lorenzo ug Glac. Aww, tulo diay ta nag-smile.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #106 on:** September 26, 2009, 12:47:30 AM »

I ask and pray for greater patience, really, bro.

One of the things that my spiritual director, Fr. Mark Hoffman used to tell me in our Catholic Conference Meetings was that I have a fierce oratory ability, he likened me to a crusader-monks in the olden days.

But then again, I and many of my own fellows that could not answer the call have to deal with our own faults and shortcomings that prevented us from answer the call, completely.

It is really hard sometimes, tho, bro. Because these thoughts to do come and go. Even when I am at the hospital at times, these thoughts come again.

I will not deny, it is a gradual process. I know HE is still calling me to answer the call, but I just cannot answer His call. It is too much, for me, to do. I wish I was stronger..weak. In the end, i am weak.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #107 on:** September 26, 2009, 01:56:52 AM »

Bro Lorenz, God has a purpose ngano wala ka mapari. Gihimo ka niyang dual purpose. A medical practicioner and a Global Evangelizer dinhi sa TB. Layo ra kaayo ang pari nimo. Kay ang pari lungsod ray hawiran, ang uban isla ra sa Pangangan or Sandingan. Imoha kay TB man jud. Di ba, Glac? Hahahaha. Nakita nako nag-smile mo duha Lorenzo ug Glac. Aww, tulo diay ta nag-smile.

hehehe.

tinood sad na, bay gwargz. pero ang pagpangalagad sa pari wa man na mag depende sa gidaghanon sa mamati; gawas pa Diyos man iyang gialagaran, ug Iyang katawhan; dili iyang kaugalingon.

ug mao nay nakapa-pari sa pari: ang tawag-pagpangalagad. dili ang iyang estado sa kinabuhi.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #108 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:13:58 AM »

Again, the calling to the priesthood is not for everyone.

All of us, I myself am included in this, will be tempted by sin,
and if that flaw impedes in one's ability to minister to the flock,
then it should be known to the minister to evade in ministering.

Many are called to the Royal Priesthood, but very few are able to completely answer the call.

Daghan ko'g respect sa mga holy priests, holy brothers, sisters, and mothers. And all religious life.

May the LORD's call be answered by men and women who are worthy to serve in feeding the sheep.

Pray na lang ta mga LAYMEN. Pray for ourselves and for our brothers. Because---in the end---we are part of the Communion of Saints.

Pray.

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gwargz · « **Reply #109 on:** October 01, 2009, 08:04:58 AM »

Brothers & Sisters,

Good Morning,

Priesthood is one, another is Laity (english), Layko (pilipino) o Laygo (bisaya).
The laity is the people who are very actively serving the church in many ways
but are not priests, bishops or nuns. Mga ordinaryong tawo like us. Mga
manimbahay. Be a laity. Get involved in your church wherever you are.
If you don't have church in your place, communicate your fellow boholanos
or filipinos. You group and do regular spiritual nourishment.

Better still, join the Couples For Christ in your area (wherever u are in the globe).
Couples For Christ has many Ministries which you will be sheperd and
will become a sheperd there in your area.
Para mahaom jod ang kahimtang sa usa ka tawo
nga gusto makiglambigit kanunay ni Lord, the CFC has designed and formed
the following ministries:

Couples For Christ (CFC) - For couples.
Servants Of The Lord (SOLD) - For Married Men Only/Widowers/Separated/Singles but above 40 yrs old.
Handmaids Of The Lord (HOLD) - For Married Women Only/Widows/Separated/Single Mothers.
Singles For Christ - For single professionals below 40. (Men & Women are separately grouped during prayer meetings)
Youth For Christ - For High Schools & College students & group of age who are not studying.
Kids For Christ - For kids in school or out of school. (Senior KFC aged 7 to 12) (Junior KFC aged 4 to 6)

May God bless you, igsoon.

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Mulligan · « **Reply #110 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:10:52 AM »

Unsaon man nga mali man pagka dungog kono saunang panahaon sa mga natong katoliko ang word nga "Celebrate". Ang nahipatik kay "celebate" naman noon. Nawala ang letter "r". Hehe.

Peace mga Pader diri.

Pax Christi.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #111 on:** October 01, 2009, 09:32:43 AM »

kanang naman lang balaod ug tradisyon maoy nakapapugong nga DILI sila kaminyo...dili naman isyu ang kaminyoon ug kaepektibo nila (kung minyo) diha sa ilang ministro.

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chicogon · « **Reply #112 on:** October 02, 2009, 01:29:29 PM »

Dia man diay ning thread lami basahon, way nakahatag nakog notisya bahin ani maong nalipat bwahaha. Since the title of the thread includes "Roman" (meaning, Latin Rite), the current status on the issue of celibacy is: No, dili pwede ang Romano Katoliko nga pari magminyo. It's Church law, man-made law which I think started around the middle centuries. Kay sa miaging mga katuigan priests were not celibate. But as far as other Catholic religions are concerned (e.g. Greek Orthodox and other rites) they give their priests option to get married before ordination. But those who get married have no chance of being elevated to the rank of Bishops. For those who chose to stay as celibate, once ordained, dili napod pwede mag minyo.

Celibacy issue is human precept, not natural law. So, pwede gehapon ibalik sa dating practice... but not likely in our lifetime hehehe.

Re: Gwarg's quotation about celibacy as a command of Christ, nope, there's no such verse where Christ ordered celibacy for his priests (he only talk about it as a gift/charism for some, but not for all)... although most of His disciples left homes and families in order to follow Jesus and were sent as Apostles to bring the good news to all corners of earth.

But as of the present, Canon Laws prohibits priests from getting married... automatic ang penalty which is the suspension of his priestly function. So kung magminyo ang pari, way mahimo ang simbahan, and yet priests stay as priests according to the line of Melchiades, aw, Melchisedech d i, dili na lang maka function as one except in case of real emergency... when all rules collapse!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #113 on:** October 02, 2009, 01:34:31 PM »

Dia man diay ning thread lami basahon, way nakahatag nakog notisya bahin ani maong nalipat bwahaha. Since the title of the thread includes "Roman" (meaning, Latin Rite), the current status on the issue of celibacy is: No, dili pwede ang Romano Katoliko nga pari magminyo. It's Church law, man-made law which I think started around the middle centuries. Kay sa miaging mga katuigan priests were not celibate. But as far as other Catholic religions are concerned (e.g. Greek Orthodox and other rites) they give their priests option to get married before ordination. But those who get married have no chance of being elevated to the rank of Bishops. For those who chose to stay as celibate, once ordained, dili napod pwede mag minyo.

Celibacy issue is human precept, not natural law. So, pwede gehapon ibalik sa dating practice... but not likely in our lifetime hehehe.

Re: Gwarg's quotation about celibacy as a command of Christ, nope, there's no such verse where Christ ordered celibacy for his priests (he only talk about it as a gift/charism for some, but not for all)... although most of His disciples left homes and families in order to follow Jesus and were sent as Apostles to bring the good news to all corners of earth.

But as of the present, Canon Laws prohibits priests from getting married... automatic ang penalty which is the suspension of his priestly function. So kung magminyo ang pari, way mahimo ang simbahan, and yet priests stay as priests according to the line of Melchiades, aw, Melchisedech d i, dili na lang maka function as one except in case of real emergency... when all rules collapse!

Lahi jud ug pari ang mo explain kay masabtan jud!!! Ug naa pay misa nga forum mo simba jud ko kay mas makasabut man ko ug basahon kay sa pamation sa simbahan kay lanug kaajo sa simbahan, di nako ma dungog ang wali.

Chicky, rocks!

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bugsay · « **Reply #114 on:** October 02, 2009, 01:56:25 PM »

maayo ni nga si Padre nay nag libkas ug mga pulong kay han-ay ug klaro and with autority....Thanks 'Dre.

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Mulligan · « **Reply #115 on:** October 02, 2009, 02:20:07 PM »

Kaloy-an ka sa Dios anak este Bai Bugsay.

Bitaw, tao raman jud ta. Kanang gi-ingon ni Pader Chicogon na human preceipt murag masabot man na nato. Kadaghan na sa akong nahibal-an nga mga katoliko nga pare nga nagminyo ug nag-undang pagka pare sa simbahan.

Diri sa CDO usa ka Fr. Robinson Montalba sa Carmelite parish church ug nahimong rector sa St. John Vianney seminary, bangi-itan na pare ug nagstudyo sa Roma pero nigawas pagka pare ug nagminyo. Ang iyang naminyoan murag ang usa pud ka nagmungha sa seminaryo nga ang building dool ra pud sa seminaryo. Lisod lage neng pare nga tisoyon kay daghan matintal. Maayo pa jud mo homily. Hehe

Unsaon, nasayop lage ug patik. Imbis celebrate, na celebate naman nuon pag-abot sa atong grupo.

Happy weekend everyone.

maayo ni nga si Padre nay nag libkas ug mga pulong kay han-ay ug klaro and with autority....Thanks 'Dre.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #116 on:** October 02, 2009, 02:25:28 PM »

Kanang magpari ka mao ra na ug ningtabok ka sa usa ka tulay sa imong kinabuhi, a bridge towards living a celebate life. To live in celibacy is just like playing BRIDGE game. If you don't have a good partner you better have a good hand.

Bisayan Express Pronunciation:
Celibate- (sil-ay-bate): playing with something using one's hands

Bwahaha. Hain na kaha si Mr. Layman? Busy tingali with his good partner.

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chicogon · « **Reply #117 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:17:54 AM »

kabalo man ta anang balaora, gwargz. mura lagi kag CFD sa una. hehehe

pero, ang ako nga pangutana ba. basi sa imong kasinatian uban sa pari/mga pari, sa imong nakita, ug nabati, ang pagminyo ba babag sa pangatungdanan sa usa ka pari?

Unsay CFD Glace? Kujapan man pod ta nimo bwahahaha... Basin bag opposite sa CFC (Couples For Christ)... ka 'taning pod ning CFD. Hahaha, nagpasi-aw lang!

Naa ra ba po'y CFL sa Canada, originally Canadian Football League. Pero kung e CFL ra kay dikapugngan mosud sa huna-huna ang Lucifer sa L. Mao sad tong D (sa CFD) for Devil bwahaha.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #118 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:21:58 AM »

Unsay CFD Glace? Kujapan man pod ta nimo bwahahaha... Basin bag opposite sa CFC (Couples For Christ)... ka 'taning pod ning CFD. Hahaha, nagpasi-aw lang!

Naa ra ba po'y CFL sa Canada, originally Canadian Football League. Pero kung e CFL ra kay dikapugngan mosud sa huna-huna ang Lucifer sa L. Mao sad tong D (sa CFD) for Devil bwahaha.

bwahahaha!

dungog kaajo diri imong bahakhak Chic! hahaha!

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jamo2x · « **Reply #119 on:** October 03, 2009, 12:47:04 AM »

Kaloy-an ka sa Dios anak este Bai Bugsay.

Bitaw, tao raman jud ta. Kanang gi-ingon ni Pader Chicogon na human preceipt murag masabot man na nato. Kadaghan na sa akong nahibal-an nga mga katoliko nga pare nga nagminyo ug nag-undang pagka pare sa simbahan.

Diri sa CDO usa ka Fr. Robinson Montalba sa Carmelite parish church ug nahimong rector sa St. John Vianney seminary, bangi-itan na pare ug nagstudyo sa Roma pero nigawas pagka pare ug nagminyo. Ang iyang naminyoan murag ang usa pud ka nagmungha sa seminaryo nga ang building dool ra pud sa seminaryo. Lisod lage neng pare nga tisoyon kay daghan matintal. Maayo pa jud mo homily. Hehe

Unsaon, nasayop lage ug patik. Imbis celebrate, na celebate naman nuon pag-abot sa atong grupo.

Happy weekend everyone.

sa catholic di jud pwde ang pari mag minyo...di pud pwde ang baji ma pari.

daghn sab ko kaila nga nigawas sa pagka pari tungod sa chix...naka buntis pud hehehe...
ang isa kay maru kaajo, human naka buntish, ni balhin sa aglipayan church kay pede man naay asawa

naa pud isa klasmeyt naho sa una, dugay na pari unya kay perti man ka wafa ijang youth coordinator...hehe nabuntis. gi papili sya sa obispo nga biyaan ang baji pero suporthan nila ang bata o balhin sa manila padajon mag pari...gipili sa ahong migo ang uyab, lisod kay nakatilaw na og laing grasya

nianhi baya to dri sa merika tabangan naho og ngitag work...tuod naka work man pero antus lag more than 2 years work dri, na over depressed man labi na pag winter tym, niuli tawn sa ijang family...di ko sure og emotional depression o uwag jud to

tungod cguro sa kamingaw, naa sab isa ka pari nag kadaun sa madre..nag unay na cla sa kumbento; naa na cla ron sa Texas, ang ex priest nahuman og PT, so mao na ijang work ron and they are blessed and successful with kids now

ahhhhhhh the road less travelled by

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chicogon · « **Reply #120 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:05:34 AM »

bwahahaha!

dungog kaajo diri imong bahakhak Chic! hahaha!

Katawa na lang ta ani MDB kay samtang ang uban malipayon uban sa ilang mahal sa kinabuhi, ako tawon deri 5 ka itoy ra kauban ug sige dokdok sa TB hahaha. Last night sa akong talk didto sa SMM, I told them sa gamay pako I wanted to be like my dad, gwapag asawa (siempre si mama na god na no?) ug 10 ka anak. After the testi, nihunghong tong usa ka parishioner nga ni attend, "We love you, Father... God heard you and He gave you your dog and 8 puppies." Bwahaha, bakyaa oy! Karon kay 5 na lang nahabilin ka na dispatsa na ang 3. Hehehe

I have 4 in my staff, 3 ang babaye... hmmmm, di lalim working with women on a daily basis. They're competing against each other... mao daw na ingon pod sa ubang mga babaye. Tinuod na Miss? And to make matters worse (?) or kung pina Enzo pa - lami nga view, most of those who volunteer to work sa church are mostly women? Did you notice that maski sa atoa?

So... dili jud ikatingala nor is it shocking to hear stories nga daghan jud pari nga mosipyat and some of them giving up the only life they know. My family is always worried even after 25 years nga one day basin mobiya sad ko sa katungdanan. And my naughty response to them is: it's been 25 long years ug taas na ang lubi... morag late na igawas and start a family. Mongisi lang kos akong Papa, "Pops, mapasalamaton lang kos Ginoo nga mapinanggaon siya kay usahay padalhan mi niyag babaye manguhit sa likod." Unja ija pong tubag, "Unja, pakuwit diay pod ka?"

Ako tubag: "Sekweeeeet!!!!"

Bwahahaha!!!! Just having fun!!! Basin kasab-an ko ani ni Brad Enzo, our TB Catholic Defender!!!!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #121 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:11:13 AM »

Katawa na lang ta ani MDB kay samtang ang uban malipayon uban sa ilang mahal sa kinabuhi, ako tawon deri 5 ka itoy ra kauban ug sige dokdok sa TB hahaha. Last night sa akong talk didto sa SMM, I told them sa gamay pako I wanted to be like my dad, gwapag asawa (siempre si mama na god na no?) ug 10 ka anak. After the testi, nihunghong tong usa ka parishioner nga ni attend, "We love you, Father... God heard you and He gave you your dog and 8 puppies." Bwahaha, bakyaa oy! Karon kay 5 na lang nahabilin ka na dispatsa na ang 3. Hehehe

I have 4 in my staff, 3 ang babaye... hmmmm, di lalim working with women on a daily basis. They're competing against each other... mao daw na ingon pod sa ubang mga babaye. Tinuod na Miss? And to make matters worse (?) or kung pina Enzo pa - lami nga view, most of those who volunteer to work sa church are mostly women? Did you notice that maski sa atoa?

So... dili jud ikatingala nor is it shocking to hear stories nga daghan jud pari nga mosipyat and some of them giving up the only life they know. My family is always worried even after 25 years nga one day basin mobiya sad ko sa katungdanan. And my naughty response to them is: it's been 25 long years ug taas na ang lubi... morag late na igawas and start a family. Mongisi lang kos akong Papa, "Pops, mapasalamaton lang kos Ginoo nga mapinanggaon siya kay usahay padalhan mi niyag babaye manguhit sa likod." Unja ija pong tubag, "Unja, pakuwit diay pod ka?"

Ako tubag: "Sekweeeeet!!!!"

Bwahahaha!!!! Just having fun!!! Basin kasab-an ko ani ni Brad Enzo, our TB Catholic Defender!!!!

bwahahahha!

bugoy kang paria ka! hahahah! kalingaw tingali nimo ug mag wali ka noh? hahahha!

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #122 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:18:28 AM »

sa catholic di jud pwde ang pari mag minyo...di pud pwde ang baji ma pari.

daghn sab ko kaila nga nigawas sa pagka pari tungod sa chix...naka buntis pud hehehe...
ang isa kay maru kaajo, human naka buntish, ni balhin sa aglipayan church kay pede man naay asawa

naa pud isa klasmeyt naho sa una, dugay na pari unya kay perti man ka wafa ijang youth coordinator...hehe nabuntis. gi papili sya sa obispo nga biyaan ang baji pero suporthan nila ang bata o balhin sa manila padajon mag pari...gipili sa ahong migo ang uyab, lisod kay nakatilaw na og laing grasya

nianhi baya to dri sa merika tabangan naho og ngitag work...tuod naka work man pero antus lag more than 2 years work dri, na over depressed man labi na pag winter tym, niuli tawn sa ijang family...di ko sure og emotional depression o uwag jud to

tungod cguro sa kamingaw, naa sab isa ka pari nag kadaun sa madre..nag unay na cla sa kumbento; naa na cla ron sa Texas, ang ex priest nahuman og PT, so mao na ijang work ron and they are blessed and successful with kids now

ahhhhhhh the road less travelled by

Oi akong pagtuo adto jamz ing uli to tungod sa uwag hehehe di depressed or kamingaw proven na niya ni kay inggawas gud siya pagkapari.Lami ang baje hahaha.magpangita kana ug matilawan mo na.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #123 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:25:08 AM »

Dia man diay ning thread lami basahon, way nakahatag nakog notisya bahin ani maong nalipat bwahaha. Since the title of the thread includes "Roman" (meaning, Latin Rite), the current status on the issue of celibacy is: No, dili pwede ang Romano Katoliko nga pari magminyo. It's Church law, man-made law which I think started around the middle centuries. Kay sa miaging mga katuigan priests were not celibate. But as far as other Catholic religions are concerned (e.g. Greek Orthodox and other rites) they give their priests option to get married before ordination. But those who get married have no chance of being elevated to the rank of Bishops. For those who chose to stay as celibate, once ordained, dili napod pwede mag minyo.

Celibacy issue is human precept, not natural law. So, pwede gehapon ibalik sa dating practice... but not likely in our lifetime hehehe.

Re: Gwarg's quotation about celibacy as a command of Christ, nope, there's no such verse where Christ ordered celibacy for his priests (he only talk about it as a gift/charism for some, but not for all)... although most of His disciples left homes and families in order to follow Jesus and were sent as Apostles to bring the good news to all corners of earth.

But as of the present, Canon Laws prohibits priests from getting married... automatic ang penalty which is the suspension of his priestly function. So kung magminyo ang pari, way mahimo ang simbahan, and yet priests stay as priests according to the line of Melchiades, aw, Melchisedech d i, dili na lang maka function as one except in case of real emergency... when all rules collapse!

see? it is only because of the present law, he can't. the question bears some nuance, because it asks beginning with "should"...why should it be allowed? it begs to see beyond the present status of Roman Catholic Law on Priesthood. Why happens if they be allowed? Would we have a more dynamic church than it is now? Would there be a collapse of his ministry if he has a loving wife, and yes, beautiful? Would it help to encourage more vocations and understanding about one's calling to serve in the context of family, community and love? again, there's a plethora of Yes and No answers depending on what our chrisitian upbringing is and openness to this issue.

as for me, i appreciate a good priest, and would be more, if he is a good family man too.

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jamo2x · « **Reply #124 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:25:55 AM »

Oi akong pagtuo adto jamz ing uli to tungod sa uwag hehehe di depressed or kamingaw proven na niya ni kay inggawas gud siya pagkapari.Lami ang baje hahaha.magpangita kana ug matilawan mo na.

hehehe uwag jud cguro to kay lalim ka nag abroad sya, biyaan ija young wife, 19 yo perti wafaha, ang ijang daughter 1.5 yo...mingaw jud lagi sya...mingaw og hehehehe waaaaahhhhh gtg sa ko kau gutom nah

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #125 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:40:36 AM »

Lahi jud ug pari ang mo explain kay masabtan jud!!! Ug naa pay misa nga forum mo simba jud ko kay mas makasabut man ko ug basahon kay sa pamation sa simbahan kay lanug kaajo sa simbahan, di nako ma dungog ang wali.

Chicky, rocks!

mao nay dangatan og adto kananuy sa Las Vegas, kay sabaan nas simbahan. hahahahha peys.

Unsay CFD Glace? Kujapan man pod ta nimo bwahahaha... Basin bag opposite sa CFC (Couples For Christ)... ka 'taning pod ning CFD. Hahaha, nagpasi-aw lang!

Naa ra ba po'y CFL sa Canada, originally Canadian Football League. Pero kung e CFL ra kay dikapugngan mosud sa huna-huna ang Lucifer sa L. Mao sad tong D (sa CFD) for Devil bwahaha.

whahaha...pwede pod na, kay naa man pod baya CF Devil. heheheh.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #126 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:12:06 AM »

Dia man diay ning thread lami basahon, way nakahatag nakog notisya bahin ani maong nalipat bwahaha. Since the title of the thread includes "Roman" (meaning, Latin Rite), the current status on the issue of celibacy is: No, dili pwede ang Romano Katoliko nga pari magminyo. It's Church law, man-made law which I think started around the middle centuries. Kay sa miaging mga katuigan priests were not celibate. But as far as other Catholic religions are concerned (e.g. Greek Orthodox and other rites) they give their priests option to get married before ordination. But those who get married have no chance of being elevated to the rank of Bishops. For those who chose to stay as celibate, once ordained, dili napod pwede mag minyo.

Celibacy issue is human precept, not natural law. So, pwede gehapon ibalik sa dating practice... but not likely in our lifetime hehehe.

Re: Gwarg's quotation about celibacy as a command of Christ, nope, there's no such verse where Christ ordered celibacy for his priests (he only talk about it as a gift/charism for some, but not for all)... although most of His disciples left homes and families in order to follow Jesus and were sent as Apostles to bring the good news to all corners of earth.

But as of the present, Canon Laws prohibits priests from getting married... automatic ang penalty which is the suspension of his priestly function. So kung magminyo ang pari, way mahimo ang simbahan, and yet priests stay as priests according to the line of Melchiades, aw, Melchisedech d i, dili na lang maka function as one except in case of real emergency... when all rules collapse!

Great explanation, Father.

The very same words that my spiritual director and good personal friend, Fr. Mark Hoffman, reiterated to us in our many Catholic Male Collegiate Retreats at the Diocese of Erie, Pennsylvania.

In the words of His Eminence, Bishop Donald Trautman, the Bishop of the Diocese of Erie, "The ministry of priesthood rises above the toils of marriage life, for the ministry of the royal priesthood concerns itself with the Word of God unto the people. God is Boss. The Priest is the employee. By rite, the priest is married. He is married to Christ Jesus. Body and Soul."

Absolutely Yours in Christ Jesus LORD,
A humble servant of the Lord,
Brando Lorenzo Lucino Jr.

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chicogon · « **Reply #127 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:26:12 AM »

Kining mga words nga gipang gamit deri like "uwag" makapahinumdom man hinoon sa mga "pinolongan-kabuang" sa akong usa ka ig-agaw nga miingon: "bwais, tulo raman ang cycle sa relationship: huwag, uwag ug buwag. Sa nanguyab pa kuno, mao ni sulti ni babaye, "Huwag... huwag... huwag." Unya inig kauyab na adto na kuno padung sa sunod cycle, "Uwag, uwag, uwag." Then after the relationship gets older, ang sangpotan ra daw, "buwag, buwag, buwag." Of kors, kabuang ra tong iya sa akong cuzin but hard realities tell us nga daghan jud hinoon nga ingon ani gipangdangatan. It's sad but it's true.

Ad lib ra baya ni... not to be taken seriously, hehehe

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #128 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:32:07 AM »

For me lang, i think it is simply disgusting when people even think about having relations with priests.
For me lang, ma luod ko when I hear or read something to that extent. Disgusting.

A priest is a man of God. Blessed with holy oils, and entrenched in the rite of priesthood.
The man has prostrated himself before the Holy Tabernacle, and has been touched by the Laying of Hands, an ancient tradition that stems back to the Apostolic Tradition.

The sin of adultery is a serious sin. It is a Mortal Sin, that is punishable with eternal damnation, unless appropriate penitance is made, as my priest has told me. What is far more detestable are women who elope with priests.

Beware, firsts out there, seminarians, of women who lure you to sin, to lay bed with them.
For that is temptation of most grieviousness.

-----

A man of the cloth (brother, priest, etc) is untouchable.
For they belong to none but GOD himself.

It is simply disgusting to hear about the notion of priests and marriage.
They, the priests, have already made it their priority to give up all sensual tastes that is in married life, and non-religious life, for the sake of priesthood.

It is evident that they made that decision. That ultimate decision. God Bless them.

IN Christ,
Lorenzo

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #129 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:32:28 AM »

Kining mga words nga gipang gamit deri like "uwag" makapahinumdom man hinoon sa mga "pinolongan-kabuang" sa akong usa ka ig-agaw nga miingon: "bwais, tulo raman ang cycle sa relationship: huwag, uwag ug buwag. Sa nanguyab pa kuno, mao ni sulti ni babaye, "Huwag... huwag... huwag." Unya inig kauyab na adto na kuno padung sa sunod cycle, "Uwag, uwag, uwag." Then after the relationship gets older, ang sangpotan ra daw, "buwag, buwag, buwag." Of kors, kabuang ra tong iya sa akong cuzin but hard realities tell us nga daghan jud hinoon nga ingon ani gipangdangatan. It's sad but it's true.

Ad lib ra baya ni... not to be taken seriously, hehehe

whahahaha...tinood jud baya ni, pads.

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jamo2x · « **Reply #130 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:32:46 AM »

Kining mga words nga gipang gamit deri like "uwag" makapahinumdom man hinoon sa mga "pinolongan-kabuang" sa akong usa ka ig-agaw nga miingon: "bwais, tulo raman ang cycle sa relationship: huwag, uwag ug buwag. Sa nanguyab pa kuno, mao ni sulti ni babaye, "Huwag... huwag... huwag." Unya inig kauyab na adto na kuno padung sa sunod cycle, "Uwag, uwag, uwag." Then after the relationship gets older, ang sangpotan ra daw, "buwag, buwag, buwag." Of kors, kabuang ra tong iya sa akong cuzin but hard realities tell us nga daghan jud hinoon nga ingon ani gipangdangatan. It's sad but it's true.

Ad lib ra baya ni... not to be taken seriously, hehehe

nyahahahahaa....sa uwag na lng ko...

why man daw Padz nga wa nidaun ang deacon sa pag ka pari?

tubag sa deacon: deacona (dikona) ma gamit

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #131 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:37:09 AM »

I, a man who was called to the priesthood, but in my own sin and my own personal iniquities (to which God alone knows and judges) has made it impossible for me to join the priesthood. I love my God and Redeemer, but am weak in the sense. Romans 3:23 declares it.

Instead of asking why can't men like myself who Love my God and love to preach the Good news, and still be priests and get married, I and other men who have been given the call of discernment realize the BEAUTY of that calling--the priesthood. We realize that we are not meant to be priests, because it does take alot to be a priest. It is very hard, spiritually, and physically.
Pray for our priests. Pray for them when they are lonely. Pray for them when they are tempted, pray for them when they are attacked, pray for them when they sin. Pray for them to continue to speak the BLESSED WORD, to which GOD HIMSELF called them by name....

It takes alot of strength to truly answer the priesthood.
That is why I respect seminarians, priests, brothers, sisters, mothers.
For it takes alot to make that choice and decision.

Many are called,
but few can answer the call.

GOD BLESS OUR PRIESTS.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #132 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:40:26 AM »

Kining mga words nga gipang gamit deri like "uwag" makapahinumdom man hinoon sa mga "pinolongan-kabuang" sa akong usa ka ig-agaw nga miingon: "bwais, tulo raman ang cycle sa relationship: huwag, uwag ug buwag. Sa nanguyab pa kuno, mao ni sulti ni babaye, "Huwag... huwag... huwag." Unya inig kauyab na adto na kuno padung sa sunod cycle, "Uwag, uwag, uwag." Then after the relationship gets older, ang sangpotan ra daw, "buwag, buwag, buwag." Of kors, kabuang ra tong iya sa akong cuzin but hard realities tell us nga daghan jud hinoon nga ingon ani gipangdangatan. It's sad but it's true.

Ad lib ra baya ni... not to be taken seriously, hehehe

hahahahaha!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #133 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:45:26 AM »

Kining mga words nga gipang gamit deri like "uwag" makapahinumdom man hinoon sa mga "pinolongan-kabuang" sa akong usa ka ig-agaw nga miingon: "bwais, tulo raman ang cycle sa relationship: huwag, uwag ug buwag. Sa nanguyab pa kuno, mao ni sulti ni babaye, "Huwag... huwag... huwag." Unya inig kauyab na adto na kuno padung sa sunod cycle, "Uwag, uwag, uwag." Then after the relationship gets older, ang sangpotan ra daw, "buwag, buwag, buwag." Of kors, kabuang ra tong iya sa akong cuzin but hard realities tell us nga daghan jud hinoon nga ingon ani gipangdangatan. It's sad but it's true.

Ad lib ra baya ni... not to be taken seriously, hehehe

Fr, your posts are so filled with glee and passive discourse--which is delectably pleasing when I read it. Yours is a soul of warmth and in colloquial diction, "finding da goods of da situation, broda-man!" he he he he.

What I would do to attend one of your masses, if only logistics wasn't such a constraint.

A brother in Christ,
Lorenz

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chicogon · « **Reply #134 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:52:26 AM »

Great explanation, Father.

The very same words that my spiritual director and good personal friend, Fr. Mark Hoffman, reiterated to us in our many Catholic Male Collegiate Retreats at the Diocese of Erie, Pennsylvania.

In the words of His Eminence, Bishop Donald Trautman, the Bishop of the Diocese of Erie, "The ministry of priesthood rises above the toils of marriage life, for the ministry of the royal priesthood concerns itself with the Word of God unto the people. God is Boss. The Priest is the employee. By rite, the priest is married. He is married to Christ Jesus. Body and Soul."

Absolutely Yours in Christ Jesus LORD,
A humble servant of the Lord,
Brando Lorenzo Lucino Jr.

You're a good man, Enz and a good defender of the Catholic faith! I salute you for that. Dogma-wise (doctrines ba) most of the church's teaching tinuod is immutable (permanent, cannot be changed) because they're based on natural law. Pero duna say mga gitawag ug human precepts (man made/enacted laws) that could change in time or with leadership or because of updated developments (di jud nuon ni madali-dali). I just hope you know how to distinguish between the two of them because they are a world apart as well as they're implications! Remember the words of Jesus on these (but I don't want to get into details): "Laws are made for man, not man made for the law." And on another ocassion he said (woe-ing the experts of the law?): "You forced people to follow the traditions of your elders as well as the laws... but you yourselves don't even lift a fingers to help these little ones?" (Paraphrased na lang kay hingkalimtanon nako)

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #135 on:** October 03, 2009, 03:55:17 AM »

You're a good man, Enz and a good defender of the Catholic faith! I salute you for that. Dogma-wise (doctrines ba) most of the church's teaching tinuod is immutable (permanent, cannot be changed) because they're based on natural law. Pero duna say mga gitawag ug human precepts (man made/enacted laws) that could change in time or with leadership or because of updated developments (di jud nuon ni madali-dali). I just hope you know how to distinguish between the two of them because they are a world apart as well as they're implications! Remember the words of Jesus on these (but I don't want to get into details): "Laws are made for man, not man made for the law." And on another ocassion he said (woe-ing the experts of the law?): "You forced people follow the traditions of your elders as well as the laws... but you yourselves don't even lift a fingers to help these little ones?" (Paraphrased na lang kay hingkalimtanon nako)

veeery well said! lahi ra jud lagi ang pari mag jawjaw! hahahha dili ni akoa sep-sep ha?

alang alang gud pod nga pila ka tuig gi eskwelahan gud, kinsay di ma well verse ana?

plus sagulan pa ug binuang! ang mga bugoy raba nga mga preachers ang daghan ug followers!

ikaw Chic?

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chicogon · « **Reply #136 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:03:13 AM »

veeery well said! lahi ra jud lagi ang pari mag jawjaw! hahahha dili ni akoa sep-sep ha?

alang alang gud pod nga pila ka tuig gi eskwelahan gud, kinsay di ma well verse ana?

plus sagulan pa ug binuang! ang mga bugoy raba nga mga preachers ang daghan ug followers!

ikaw Chic?

Bwahahaha! Bugoy-bugoy jud nuon ko pero wa koy followers oist, delikado na, basin matintal tag gama og cult, ahihihi. On the contrary, I made it a point (ever since) nga akoy mo follow sa mga bugoy... kay sa tinuod mas daghan kog makat-onan sa mga bogoy... and they help me put flesh and blood to what I strive to become (or learned in school): pastoral, compassionate, forgiving, non-judgmental, understanding, a good listener, appeciative of good things, etc etc etc... and keep you down-to-earth (well-grounded) and fun-loving too. If there's such a saying, really, "I find God in the most unexpected places!!! With these people!!!" Hehehehe

Addendum: And the more I know these people, I guess the more I know God... and the more I know God, the more I know myself... that I am not God, and far from being perfect (LoL). Makasasa man diay pod ko.... sama sad nila (nga gitawag natog mga bugoy).

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #137 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:05:55 AM »

Bwahahaha! Bugoy-bugoy jud nuon ko pero wa koy followers oist, delikado na, basin matintal tag gama og cult, ahihihi. On the contrary, I made it a point (ever since) nga akoy mo follow sa mga bugoy... kay sa tinuod mas daghan kog makat-onan sa mga bogoy... and they help me put flesh and blood to what I strive to become (or learned in school): pastoral, compassionate, forgiving, non-judgmental, understanding, a good listener, appeciative of good things, etc etc etc... and keep you down-to-earth (well-grounded) and fun-loving too. If there's such a saying, really, "I find God in the most unexpected places!!! With these people!!!" Hehehehe

That really made me like you Chic! (dili sad ni sep-sep) hahaha!

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chicogon · « **Reply #138 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:10:22 AM »

That really made me like you Chic! (dili sad ni sep-sep) hahaha!

Thank, MDB, mahilis man sad atong atay ana. San kaha no kung mosayaw pod kog "Macarena." Di na jud siguro ka moangkon nga nagkaila ta, bwahahaha!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #139 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:32:28 AM »

hahahah!

pag pujooo!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #140 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:43:32 AM »

what IF you are allowed, chico, would you pick one? hehehehe

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Bambi · « **Reply #141 on:** October 03, 2009, 05:10:16 AM »

what IF you are allowed, chico, would you pick one? hehehehe

or....TWO? whahahaha

maajo pa bitaw paminyoon na lang, kay tawo ra god pod sila. Ang mga Protestante nga Pari duna may mga Pamilya.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #142 on:** October 03, 2009, 05:30:05 AM »

Dogma-wise (doctrines ba) most of the church's teaching tinuod is immutable (permanent, cannot be changed) because they're based on natural law. Pero duna say mga gitawag ug human precepts (man made/enacted laws) that could change in time or with leadership or because of updated developments (di jud nuon ni madali-dali). I just hope you know how to distinguish between the two of them because they are a world apart as well as they're implications! Remember the words of Jesus on these (but I don't want to get into details): "Laws are made for man, not man made for the law."

Salamat ani nga pahinumdom, Fr. Chic. It seems to me that blind zealotry can be more injurious than lack of faith.

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chicogon · « **Reply #143 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:11:25 AM »

Salamat ani nga pahinumdom, Fr. Chic. It seems to me that blind zealotry can be more injurious than lack of faith.

I agree!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #144 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:14:26 AM »

or....TWO? whahahaha

maajo pa bitaw paminyoon na lang, kay tawo ra god pod sila. Ang mga Protestante nga Pari duna may mga Pamilya.

usa ra gud, bambs, kaw pod. papahuwaya pod si pader. hahahahah excuse meeeee...

Salamat ani nga pahinumdom, Fr. Chic. It seems to me that blind zealotry can be more injurious than lack of faith.

maayo jud kung pare nay mosulti sa punto kay paminawon, bay hubs, sa.

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chicogon · « **Reply #145 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:15:55 AM »

what IF you are allowed, chico, would you pick one? hehehehe

Hmmm... 25 years ago, more likely. Karon? Taas naman lubi hehehe. I'm talking about "paminyoon."

Sa mIRC chatroom kay paresan man ka nila didto sa una, bwahaha. Uso man didto pakatay. Multiple partnership didto hahahaha!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #146 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:30:51 AM »

Hmmm... 25 years ago, more likely. Karon? Taas naman lubi hehehe. I'm talking about "paminyoon."

Sa mIRC chatroom kay paresan man ka nila didto sa una, bwahaha. Uso man didto pakatay. Multiple partnership didto hahahaha!

yeah, 25 years ago. ok, thanks, pads.

paita pod nang multiple partnership, maka-anemic man tingali na. hahahahha!

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chicogon · « **Reply #147 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:41:07 AM »

Bitaw personally - honest jud ni gyod - I prefer priests be celibate, not because I'm against marriage, but I think they're better off living a single life para mas available sila sa kadaghanan. Kamong mga dunay uyab o pamilya, you know well the challenges of relationship and married life. Di lalim oy! Of course, mine is only an observation/analysis from the outside (naks!); kamo jud kay 1st hand experience. But I know too well nga lisud sagolon ning duha deri sa field of priesthood. Saludar jud ko ninyo mga minyo ug kadtong mga relationship nga nilungtad. Sus no, iapil pa natog ihap ani ang pagpangitag panginabuhi para sa pamilya og pagpa eskwela sa mga bata ngadto nas college. How do you do it? Unya wa pay labot ani ang differences of personalities nga mag-uban sa panimalay and many other challenges/trials along the way. Every move and decision you make, apil man jud tanan. While as a single priest, you're free from most of them and you decisions, usually, are yours alone. Mingaw lang jud nuon ang kinabuhing olitawo kay tawo raman ta, pero di man sad maihap ang blessings ug kalipay that comes with being single... thrilling baja pod - many ups and down - pero ingon ani man jud ni maski unsa pang walk of life imo gilakat. In short, staying single, mas free-er ka to do more and expand yourself than being stuck in a relationship or marriage. Di na mananghid ni Misis!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #148 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:43:02 AM »

maayo jud kung pare nay mosulti sa punto kay paminawon, bay hubs, sa.

He he, I know what you mean, Bay Glace. Needless to say, arguments are supposed to speak for themselves, and be heard regardless of who says them. But there's always the temptation to act like Socrates--who loved to talk just to hear the sound of his own voice.

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Bambi · « **Reply #149 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:51:01 AM »

In short, staying single, mas free-er ka to do more and expand yourself than being stuck in a relationship or marriage. Di na mananghid ni Misis!

May mga Mrs. baya pod Fr. nga kusog mokubra ug mogasto sa sweldo. whahahaha

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #150 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:51:21 AM »

You're a good man, Enz and a good defender of the Catholic faith! I salute you for that. Dogma-wise (doctrines ba) most of the church's teaching tinuod is immutable (permanent, cannot be changed) because they're based on natural law. Pero duna say mga gitawag ug human precepts (man made/enacted laws) that could change in time or with leadership or because of updated developments (di jud nuon ni madali-dali). I just hope you know how to distinguish between the two of them because they are a world apart as well as they're implications! Remember the words of Jesus on these (but I don't want to get into details): "Laws are made for man, not man made for the law." And on another ocassion he said (woe-ing the experts of the law?): "You forced people to follow the traditions of your elders as well as the laws... but you yourselves don't even lift a fingers to help these little ones?" (Paraphrased na lang kay hingkalimtanon nako)

Father, your words are too much to describe me, in all reality, am but a simple servant of the Lord Jesus Christ who is ever-present in the Blessed Eucharist.

We must be the defenders of faith, to uphold the laws and the affirmations of the Holy One Roman Catholic Church. The Holy Mother The Church is Infallable. For it was said by The Lord Jesus Christ, "Even the gates of hell cannot overcome her (referring to the Church, in which was placed on Simon Peter (Cephas/ 'The Rock')."

The Church, In One, which is the Body of Christ in Earth,can do no wrong. Certain members of the church, which fall into sway to sin and temptations and the corruption of power, but the Church is remained pure and innocent, perfected in the Body and Blood of Christ Jesus--the RISEN LORD.

The Holy Priests are Christ-Like.
So just as Jesus Christ the Lord God Made Flesh,
The Eternal Word On High,
EMANUEL "GOD AMONG US",
never married, nor had he lay in bed with a woman,
so, too, shall a priest of Christ, who breaks the bread/body of the Lord, remain unmarried.

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The LORD Jesus Christ was the 'fisher of men',
he called His apostles from amongst the Jordan, and the sea in Gallilee,
they were all professionals in their lives,
Peter--being fisherman and married,James--a fisherman, John--a fisherman, Matthew--a tax collector, Paul--a pharisee, etc, --

As you can see, all the apostles had a living before they were called by the Lord Jesus Christ.
And when they were called, they all left everything that the owned, and had. Their wives, children, professions, worldly passions. In return, became the followers of the SON OF MAN.

The WORD MADE FLESH.

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The Apostles are perfect examples.
then again, hence we have the APOSTOLIC TRADITION.
The Holy One Apostolic Roman Catholic Church.

God Bless!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #151 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:56:01 AM »

No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

14And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.

15And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

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LUKE 16,

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chicogon · « **Reply #152 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:14:56 AM »

I have one question Enz... minyo ba tong mga apostoles? Of course the answer is a big YES, except for John. Unya, just because they left everything and their families, wa na magpasabot nga ge-erase/ge-annul sa Ginoo ang ilang kaminyoon. Maybe we can look at it as if the disciples were making that great big sacrifice in leaving their families and join Christ's group to do missions to the known world... wa man to sila mo apply og divorce tawon o e annul ilang kaminyoon. So, there you are, the Holy Apostles were all married people and they were even the first bishops of the Church. Mao sad tong early times sa Church, mga minyo sad tong mga kaparian ug mga ka obispohan. Only later on nga ge introduced ang celibacy sa balaod sa simbahan. Dugay pod to silang lalis atong panahona sa Batasang Pambansa hehehe, basin nakaingon pod tag overnight decision ra pod to. Those were real issues in real time. So, Enz, I don't think you can bank on Apostolic Tradition as basis on celibacy issues because it never were.

Of course, we are called to uphold the laws of the Church... and I don't disagree on that. That particular law was in placed even before I became a priest, so I had my choice... and I chose freely and willingly to travel that road.

Road less traveled man daw kini, so at the start of the journey wa pod mi kahibaw o ma suheto unsa nga klase nga karsada kini... aspalto ba ni o concrete, lapok ba o daghang libaong, tul-id ba o likoon. After 25 years, medyo na suheto-suheto napod. But I can't tell you how many times nanga-dam-ag ang mga niagi ani. Like in some Biblical stories of old, there were stories, too, about travelers being ambushed along the way. Dihay uban nakakita apan wala motabang; apan dinha say mga Good Samaritans who extended themselves to lend a helping hand... which makes the journey a little worthwhile maski lisod.

So pray for your priests as they pray for all people too. Naay panahon nga silay madam-ag, naa poy panahon nga kita. Kristiyanismo man kaha atong gesunod nga dalan, aw, maningkamot god pod ta nga Kristiyano pod atong binuhatan og pamuyo.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #153 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:28:38 AM »

Bitaw personally - honest jud ni gyod - I prefer priests be celibate, not because I'm against marriage, but I think they're better off living a single life para mas available sila sa kadaghanan. Kamong mga dunay uyab o pamilya, you know well the challenges of relationship and married life. Di lalim oy! Of course, mine is only an observation/analysis from the outside (naks!); kamo jud kay 1st hand experience. But I know too well nga lisud sagolon ning duha deri sa field of priesthood. Saludar jud ko ninyo mga minyo ug kadtong mga relationship nga nilungtad. Sus no, iapil pa natog ihap ani ang pagpangitag panginabuhi para sa pamilya og pagpa eskwela sa mga bata ngadto nas college. How do you do it? Unya wa pay labot ani ang differences of personalities nga mag-uban sa panimalay and many other challenges/trials along the way. Every move and decision you make, apil man jud tanan. While as a single priest, you're free from most of them and you decisions, usually, are yours alone. Mingaw lang jud nuon ang kinabuhing olitawo kay tawo raman ta, pero di man sad maihap ang blessings ug kalipay that comes with being single... thrilling baja pod - many ups and down - pero ingon ani man jud ni maski unsa pang walk of life imo gilakat. In short, staying single, mas free-er ka to do more and expand yourself than being stuck in a relationship or marriage. Di na mananghid ni Misis!

you did a very good job, pads. i can see your devotion in your ministry. thank you for that. your experience speaks volume of reasons why priests of the RC must stay single. a very valuable lesson much deeper than quotations from other sources. one can't beat experience on this matter.

not to argue your honest thought of the matter, let me also share this story of an Anglican Priest. as you know, Anglicans do not have a lot of differences from Catholics. He of course is married. Has wife, who is working, and two kids, who are in their teens. He admits the challenges of married life coupled with ministerial demands of his office. But there are just as much challenges in one who is married in the priesthood as one who's not. He says there's more freedom in being single, just as there's more in being married. He meant that his wife has completely understood right in the beginning of their union, what his job entails and hers, too, to their works and to their family. The balancing of hours between each other and between their children has never been a cause of strain.

It is engaging when you work in a community, and you have a family, he said. you become more aware of your family duties and witnessing of the gospel. all in one.

Sometimes, it is more advantageous when you need intense conversation about church, fundraisers, plans and other concerns, the wife is the first to hear and you are sure, she is not going to judge you for anything. the family is however his priority. but it is also his source of inspiration to be faithful to his ministry. their children, even in their tender age, have also done their part. they enjoy what other kids have. but with a twist. they have a duty not only in their home but in their "bigger home" --church, as well. it is not that his life has no problems. he does like everybody else. but his consolation is that he's been blessed with beautiful family, and good parishioners.

i like you, pads. your honesty reminds me of this friend. like him, you serve the same God and same mission. maybe, with a twist. di ka mananghid ni Misis; siya, tugutan ni Misis, sa way pagpangutana.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #154 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:32:33 AM »

I have one question Enz... minyo ba tong mga apostoles? Of course the answer is a big YES, except for John. Unya, just because they left everything and their families, wa na magpasabot nga ge-erase/ge-annul sa Ginoo ang ilang kaminyoon. Maybe we can look at it as if the disciples were making that great big sacrifice in leaving their families and join Christ's group to do missions to the known world... wa man to sila mo apply og divorce tawon o e annul ilang kaminyoon. So, there you are, the Holy Apostles were all married people and they were even the first bishops of the Church. Mao sad tong early times sa Church, mga minyo sad tong mga kaparian ug mga ka obispohan. Only later on nga ge introduced ang celibacy sa balaod sa simbahan. Dugay pod to silang lalis atong panahona sa Batasang Pambansa hehehe, basin nakaingon pod tag overnight decision ra pod to. Those were real issues in real time. So, Enz, I don't think you can bank on Apostolic Tradition as basis on celibacy issues because it never were.

Of course, we are called to uphold the laws of the Church... and I don't disagree on that. That particular law was in placed even before I became a priest, so I had my choice... and I chose freely and willingly to travel that road.

Road less traveled man daw kini, so at the start of the journey wa pod mi kahibaw o ma suheto unsa nga klase nga karsada kini... aspalto ba ni o concrete, lapok ba o daghang libaong, tul-id ba o likoon. After 25 years, medyo na suheto-suheto napod. But I can't tell you how many times nanga-dam-ag ang mga niagi ani. Like in some Biblical stories of old, there were stories, too, about travelers being ambushed along the way. Dihay uban nakakita apan wala motabang; apan dinha say mga Good Samaritans who extended themselves to lend a helping hand... which makes the journey a little worthwhile maski lisod.

So pray for your priests as they pray for all people too. Naay panahon nga silay madam-ag, naa poy panahon nga kita. Kristiyanismo man kaha atong gesunod nga dalan, aw, maningkamot god pod ta nga Kristiyano pod atong binuhatan og pamuyo.

Amen!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #155 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:33:27 AM »

you did a very good job, pads. i can see your devotion in your ministry. thank you for that. your experience speaks volume of reasons why priests of the RC must stay single. a very valuable lesson much deeper than quotations from other sources. one can't beat experience on this matter.

not to argue your honest thought of the matter, let me also share this story of an Anglican Priest. as you know, Anglicans do not have a lot of differences from Catholics. He of course is married. Has wife, who is working, and two kids, who are in their teens. He admits the challenges of married life coupled with ministerial demands of his office. But there are just as much challenges in one who is married in the priesthood as one who's not. He says there's more freedom in being single, just as there's more in being married. He meant that his wife has completely understood right in the beginning of their union, what his job entails and hers, too, to their works and to their family. The balancing of hours between each other and between their children has never been a cause of strain.

It is engaging when you work in a community, and you have a family, he said. you become more aware of your family duties and witnessing of the gospel. all in one.

Sometimes, it is more advantageous when you need intense conversation about church, fundraisers, plans and other concerns, the wife is the first to hear and you are sure, she is not going to judge you for anything. the family is however his priority. but it is also his source of inspiration to be faithful to his ministry. their children, even in their tender age, have also done their part. they enjoy what other kids have. but with a twist. they have a duty not only in their home but in their "bigger home" --church, as well. it is not that his life has no problems. he does like everybody else. but his consolation is that he's been blessed with beautiful family, and good parishioners.

i like you, pads. your honesty reminds me of this friend. like him, you serve the same God and same mission. maybe, with a twist. di ka mananghid ni Misis; siya, tugutan ni Misis, sa way pagpangutana.

Nindot nga pasumbingay/ story ni sha Glace. Taympa dis-a naman sad ka nangutkot sa imong iningles?? hahahahahha!jawk!

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #156 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:35:07 AM »

He he, I know what you mean, Bay Glace. Needless to say, arguments are supposed to speak for themselves, and be heard regardless of who says them. But there's always the temptation to act like Socrates--who loved to talk just to hear the sound of his own voice.

mao bitaw, bay hubs, makaingon ta nga mas lawom jud ang kinaadman kay sa kahibawo.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #157 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:36:40 AM »

Ang Pari mga human beings man na sila (just my opinion) unya kay human man ni sila, subject to make mistakes sad. It would never change me the way i look at them ug napandol ni sila kay lagi dili man ni sila mga robot,(mao ba to?)

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #158 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:37:59 AM »

mao bitaw, bay hubs, makaingon ta nga mas lawom jud ang kinaadman kay sa kahibawo.

ininglisa daw na Glace kay nag libog akong utok...ahh wisdom is blah blah...?

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #159 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:41:20 AM »

ininglisa daw na Glace kay nag libog akong utok...ahh wisdom is blah blah...?

yeah, blah, blah, blah. hahaha. kana, mao na.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #160 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:42:09 AM »

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #161 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:47:42 AM »

Bilib kaayo ko sa explaination nimo Father. Nakasabot jud ming mga slow learner aning religion hehhehe.Thanks kaayo Dre sa pagpasabot.
Sa mga wala magmenyo ,wala mamenyo ug wala na gyud pag asa mamenyo hehhehe sakripisyo jud intawong dako ning kinabuhing menyo labi na naa moy mga bata makapangutan jud ta ug Tibook man unta ko nganong nagpasinsiyo. Once ma sinsiyo na ka bug at na ang dalan nga imong lakwan didto sa kahimayaan heheheh. Swerte ning nakahunahuna ug magpari kay tibook pa sila hahaha.

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chicogon · « **Reply #162 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:51:35 AM »

you did a very good job, pads. i can see your devotion in your ministry. thank you for that. your experience speaks volume of reasons why priests of the RC must stay single. a very valuable lesson much deeper than quotations from other sources. one can't beat experience on this matter.

not to argue your honest thought of the matter, let me also share this story of an Anglican Priest. as you know, Anglicans do not have a lot of differences from Catholics. He of course is married. Has wife, who is working, and two kids, who are in their teens. He admits the challenges of married life coupled with ministerial demands of his office. But there are just as much challenges in one who is married in the priesthood as one who's not. He says there's more freedom in being single, just as there's more in being married. He meant that his wife has completely understood right in the beginning of their union, what his job entails and hers, too, to their works and to their family. The balancing of hours between each other and between their children has never been a cause of strain.

It is engaging when you work in a community, and you have a family, he said. you become more aware of your family duties and witnessing of the gospel. all in one.

Sometimes, it is more advantageous when you need intense conversation about church, fundraisers, plans and other concerns, the wife is the first to hear and you are sure, she is not going to judge you for anything. the family is however his priority. but it is also his source of inspiration to be faithful to his ministry. their children, even in their tender age, have also done their part. they enjoy what other kids have. but with a twist. they have a duty not only in their home but in their "bigger home" --church, as well. it is not that his life has no problems. he does like everybody else. but his consolation is that he's been blessed with beautiful family, and good parishioners.

i like you, pads. your honesty reminds me of this friend. like him, you serve the same God and same mission. maybe, with a twist. di ka mananghid ni Misis; siya, tugutan ni Misis, sa way pagpangutana.

Thanks Glace. Masinabtanon jud ka hehehe. I wish I can speak for those who are married but I can't kay wa man ko maminyo bisag kas-a. I don't ever doubt that it could work having both (kay experience mana sa ubang religion that it could work). Maglisod lang kog pahiluna kay kutob raman tas imagination. Lisod man gani tong uyab-uyab pa (o basin strikta or over possesive ba lang ning ubang babaye), unsa na kaha kung minyo na... nga mas dako pa ang resposibilidad unya opisyal pa jud (duna nay seal). Sabagay duna man gehapoy mga babaye nga masinabtanon but what a long process it must be to find one nga ingon ana ka willing ug masinabtanon. Because even in marriage, much like priesthood, trial and error baya nang sa kasugdanan, puros experimento how to make things work. Well, posible lagi, pero maglisod pa jud kog imagine maka swerte kag ingon ato nga example sa Anglican priest. Daghan man gani naalaot nga relationship tungod sa double job, unsa na kaha ang double life. And priesthood and married life are both full-time jobs... 24/7 kada usa. Of course, daghan pa jong laing factors nga angay tan-awon aning diskusyona, pero ani nga example pa lang, galisod nakog tan-aw sa possibility of having both.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #163 on:** October 03, 2009, 07:57:57 AM »

Thanks Glace. Masinabtanon jud ka hehehe. I wish I can speak for those who are married but I can't kay wa man ko maminyo bisag kas-a. I don't ever doubt that it could work having both (kay experience mana sa ubang religion that it could work). Maglisod lang kog pahiluna kay kutob raman tas imagination. Lisod man gani tong uyab-uyab pa (o basin strikta or over possesive ba lang ning ubang babaye), unsa na kaha kung minyo na... nga mas dako pa ang resposibilidad unya opisyal pa jud (duna nay seal). Sabagay duna man gehapoy mga babaye nga masinabtanon but what a long process it must be to find one nga ingon ana ka willing ug masinabtanon. Because even in marriage, much like priesthood, trial and error baya nang sa kasugdanan, puros experimento how to make things work. Well, posible lagi, pero maglisod pa jud kog imagine maka swerte kag ingon ato nga example sa Anglican priest. Daghan man gani naalaot nga relationship tungod sa double job, unsa na kaha ang double life. And priesthood and married life are both full-time jobs... 24/7 kada usa. Of course, daghan pa jong laing factors nga angay tan-awon aning diskusyona, pero ani nga example pa lang, galisod nakog tan-aw sa possibility of having both.

unya lagi kanang mga politiko usahay triple life pa nganong ning work ma? naa man gani manotok tungang gabii kay mangayo ug lungon or hinabang etc etc! labaw pa sa 27/7 na sha! hahahahha! jawk pero tinuod baja na.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #164 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:00:26 AM »

Bilib kaayo ko sa explaination nimo Father. Nakasabot jud ming mga slow learner aning religion hehhehe.Thanks kaayo Dre sa pagpasabot.
Sa mga wala magmenyo ,wala mamenyo ug wala na gyud pag asa mamenyo hehhehe sakripisyo jud intawong dako ning kinabuhing menyo labi na naa moy mga bata makapangutan jud ta ug Tibook man unta ko nganong nagpasinsiyo. Once ma sinsiyo na ka bug at na ang dalan nga imong lakwan didto sa kahimayaan heheheh. Swerte ning nakahunahuna ug magpari kay tibook pa sila hahaha.

sakripisyo man jud bisan unsa ug bisan kinsa, rpb, labi na kung tinud-anay gyung pangalagad. bisan ang ubang mga propesyon, kung tinud-anay sila nga mangalagad ug dili kay kwarta ilang giapas, dako man gani pod nang sakripisyo nila. sakripisyo gani ning magtinud-anay kag ADmin diri sa TB, kay magpunay og bantay aning gipangsulti sa mga uwagan ug mga buyagon nga membro. hahahahhaha...

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chicogon · « **Reply #165 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:01:08 AM »

Bilib kaayo ko sa explaination nimo Father. Nakasabot jud ming mga slow learner aning religion hehhehe.Thanks kaayo Dre sa pagpasabot.
Sa mga wala magmenyo ,wala mamenyo ug wala na gyud pag asa mamenyo hehhehe sakripisyo jud intawong dako ning kinabuhing menyo labi na naa moy mga bata makapangutan jud ta ug Tibook man unta ko nganong nagpasinsiyo. Once ma sinsiyo na ka bug at na ang dalan nga imong lakwan didto sa kahimayaan heheheh. Swerte ning nakahunahuna ug magpari kay tibook pa sila hahaha.

Muangay ko anang imong analogy day RAQ... na sinsilyo na diay ka ron. Unya matod pa gyod nimo, kami nga nipili sa kinabuhing "single" tungod sa tawag, tibook pa gehapon. Hahaha... tibuok lagi RAQ pero daghan pog samad kay sige man kahug atong bakilid, unja madam-ag pod sa karsadang libaong sa kinabuhi. Salamat lang gyod nga nagatoo ta sa usa ka Ginoo nga mahigugmaon ug mapasayloon... kay every day that we wake up (I keep reminding my parishioners this)... hangtod nas kataposang adlaw nga itugot kanato sa Ginoo aning kalibutana, unfortunately, samtang gaginhawa pa ta, di na jod na malalis nga magsige lang jud tag kasa. And whoever says he/she is not immune to sin anymore.... you know na.... namakak!!!! Hehehe

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chicogon · « **Reply #166 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:04:32 AM »

Ang Pari mga human beings man na sila (just my opinion) unya kay human man ni sila, subject to make mistakes sad. It would never change me the way i look at them ug napandol ni sila kay lagi dili man ni sila mga robot,(mao ba to?)

Kinamauhan! Ambot lang pod kinsay willing moangkon o mokumpisal hahahaha!!!! Sama sa giingon sa usa ka pari nga bisaya nga kauban nako deri, "Maayo gani, bay, kay masinabtanon ta nga pagka tawo." Hehehe

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #167 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:06:14 AM »

Kinamauhan! Ambot lang pod kinsay willing moangkon o mokumpisal hahahaha!!!! Sama sa giingon sa usa ka pari nga bisaya nga kauban nako deri, "Maayo gani, bay, kay masinabtanon ta nga pagka tawo." Hehehe

masinabtanon nis MDB, pads, kay nakauyab nig pari sa una. nyahahahhhhaah

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chicogon · « **Reply #168 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:11:02 AM »

unya lagi kanang mga politiko usahay triple life pa nganong ning work ma? naa man gani manotok tungang gabii kay mangayo ug lungon or hinabang etc etc! labaw pa sa 27/7 na sha! hahahahha! jawk pero tinuod baja na.

Mao bitaw nailado tang mga Pinoy o daghang mo bilib nato kay anad tag dili lang single, double o triple kondili multiple gajud... multiple abilidad, multiple hobbies, multiple life, multi cab, multi vitamin, multi lupa (aw munting diay to) bwahehehe. Unya ang bungi moingon pod, "Ako diay pod muntis man!" Toinks, lajua naman ni!!!

Pasiaw ba kay seryos ra pod ta usahay!!!

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Bambi · « **Reply #169 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:17:25 AM »

Sa ahong panahon sa una, sus inigpanimba namo basta gwapo tong bag-ong Pari nga momisa, puno sa mga nursing students ang Cathedral. Diha koy duha ka kaila nga girls nga nakauyab ug Pari, ako naka-uban ug disco nila. Nakabayle kog Pari sa una....aho pang gibinuangan..."I am dancing with God..kay di ba may pangjadye. "Ikaw Padre ilis ka sa Diyos dinhi.." He just smiled! sorry Fr. chic ha! On that time....daghang nanggawas kay nanggaminyo. I found it absolutely okey.

masinabtanon nis MDB, pads, kay nakauyab nig pari sa una. nyahahahhhhaah

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #170 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:40:23 AM »

masinabtanon nis MDB, pads, kay nakauyab nig pari sa una. nyahahahhhhaah

Ikaw, Bay Glace, dili kaha ka pari sauna?

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #171 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:40:49 AM »

Sakto ka Father bakakon ning tawo moingon wala siyay sala. Even the just man sin 7 times a day unsa pa kaha ko mahibal an ra jud ning katag inig hukman na ko sa Ginoo diha ra ko kabawo kapila kaha ko kasala sa usa ka adlaw hehehhe.
@ Glacier agree ko nimo bisan unsa diay ta nga stage sa kinabuhi atong gilakwan magkinahanglan jud ug dagkong sakripisyo.Ma admin man sa TB or ma poster magsakrispisyo jud.Ug poster ka unya hinam ang topic usahay sakripisyohon sa nimo ug pangihi ug kaon kay humanon ang gi type.hehehe

Lisod jud siguro ning tentasyon sa pari kay laliman puro mga dalaga ug naa poy di dalaga. Attractive man ning pari jud ba bisan uban hindi kagwapuhan hahahah.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #172 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:47:27 AM »

Sa ahong panahon sa una, sus inigpanimba namo basta gwapo tong bag-ong Pari nga momisa, puno sa mga nursing students ang Cathedral. Diha koy duha ka kaila nga girls nga nakauyab ug Pari, ako naka-uban ug disco nila. Nakabayle kog Pari sa una....aho pang gibinuangan..."I am dancing with God..kay di ba may pangjadye. "Ikaw Padre ilis ka sa Diyos dinhi.." He just smiled! sorry Fr. chic ha! On that time....daghang nanggawas kay nanggaminyo. I found it absolutely okey.

Diha baja koy kaila kaniadto nga pari ang tirada. Nakapagawas sijag duha ka pari so far. I heard nga karon, elderly priest ang ijang ongoing victim. Dili na pud tingali ning paria mogawas kay hapit na man mo-retire. Unja ang baje is in her 40s na, kalma na tingali pud.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #173 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:51:45 AM »

Sakto ka Father bakakon ning tawo moingon wala siyay sala. Even the just man sin 7 times a day unsa pa kaha ko mahibal an ra jud ning katag inig hukman na ko sa Ginoo diha ra ko kabawo kapila kaha ko kasala sa usa ka adlaw hehehhe.
@ Glacier agree ko nimo bisan unsa diay ta nga stage sa kinabuhi atong gilakwan magkinahanglan jud ug dagkong sakripisyo.Ma admin man sa TB or ma poster magsakrispisyo jud.Ug poster ka unya hinam ang topic usahay sakripisyohon sa nimo ug pangihi ug kaon kay humanon ang gi type.hehehe

Bisan dinhi sa TB makasala man gani ta sa pagbasa-basa lang sa gipang-post!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #174 on:** October 03, 2009, 08:55:20 AM »

masinabtanon nis MDB, pads, kay nakauyab nig pari sa una. nyahahahhhhaah

wala oi! naa lang noon kuy crush nga pari sa una, sus ginoo pagka crush man jud to nako. pero nawa raman sad to akong feeling adto kay kabalo gud ko nga di jud na sila pwede.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #175 on:** October 03, 2009, 09:07:44 AM »

Bisan dinhi sa TB makasala man gani ta sa pagbasa-basa lang sa gipang-post!

Kinamauhan ka Toy,mao ni hinungdan usahay magbalik balik ko pangumpisal mao rang sa'a hehehhe

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #176 on:** October 03, 2009, 09:16:52 AM »

Kinamauhan ka Toy,mao ni hinungdan usahay magbalik balik ko pangumpisal mao rang sa'a hehehhe

Mao jud, matawag ta anig makasasala nga mapatujangon!

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benelynne · « **Reply #177 on:** October 03, 2009, 09:42:40 AM »

Pads,

True to form, or your name, kaayo imong views--really "chic" as in, in with the times. I think the way to minister to the flock is to meet them where they're at, and then guide them from there. I can imagine Jesus making similar social banters in Matthew's circle before the Pharisees doused them cold water by asking, "Ngano kaha si Padre kahibalo anang multiple partnership sa chatroom?" (Rephrase ra pud ko Pads kay memory lapse.)

I can hear you re-echo His words verbatim. "I didn't come to invite good people to be my followers. I came to invite sinners." Welcome to our house, Pads.

Hmmm... 25 years ago, more likely. Karon? Taas naman lubi hehehe. I'm talking about "paminyoon."
Sa mIRC chatroom kay paresan man ka nila didto sa una, bwahaha. Uso man didto pakatay. Multiple partnership didto hahahaha!

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #178 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:09:20 PM »

I can hear you re-echo His words verbatim. "I didn't come to invite good people to be my followers. I came to invite sinners." Welcome to our house, Pads.

Matay, giklaro man pud nimo, Bay Ben.

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benelynne · « **Reply #179 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:22:21 PM »

Nauna na baya mo'g angkon sa inyong mga sala (apil na diri sa TB), ako nag-echo lang pud ko. Maayo nga nagpataliwa sa atong kukabildo si Father Chico kay murag lahi ra ni s'ya sa pari nga gikumpisalan ni AngieGulle.

Nagdamgo pud baya ko sa una ma-Jesuit, kalit ra man ko namata naa na'y tupad waswit.

Matay, giklaro man pud nimo, Bay Ben.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #180 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:30:17 PM »

Nagdamgo pud baya ko sa una ma-Jesuit, kalit ra man ko namata naa na'y tupad waswit.

Sigi lang kon wala ma-Jesuit, na-Jesuitic man gihapon, he he. (Di ba ang word nga switik gikan sa Jesuitic?)

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benelynne · « **Reply #181 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:39:09 PM »

Sigi lang kon wala ma-Jesuit, na-Jesuitic man gihapon, he he. (Di ba ang word nga switik gikan sa Jesuitic?)

Tinuod ka? Positive ba ni siya nga adjective, Bay HB? Hinuon, after reading your anecdote on Socrates, it sounds much better to be Jesuitic or switik than Socratic.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #182 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:58:45 PM »

Tinuod ka? Positive ba ni siya nga adjective, Bay HB? Hinuon, after reading your anecdote on Socrates, it sounds much better to be Jesuitic or switik than Socratic.

He he, bitaw, Bay Ben, I guess ang negative connotation sa "Jesuitic"--meaning, maajong mogamit og confusing or ambiguous words to deceive others--maoy nahimong "switik". Ambot nganong naingon ni ani. It must be because Jesuits are usually scholars (read: over-educated, he he) that their name has become associated with craftiness.

As for Socrates, well, he was a vain man whose vanity is worth a thousand modesties in any imaginable universe. Most other vanities are not even worth one unit of computer memory.

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chicogon · « **Reply #183 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:02:55 PM »

Sigi lang kon wala ma-Jesuit, na-Jesuitic man gihapon, he he. (Di ba ang word nga switik gikan sa Jesuitic?)

Lamia sa akong nap oy, 5 ka oras man jud! Naglami naman diay mo deri... salamat diay sa little compliments. Nagsulti lang kos tinuod from a personal standpoint.

Kabahin sa term nga Jesuitic, abi nako meaning ani niya "trying to stay sweet" from the root word "Jesuit" (Just Sweet) hahahaha!!!!

Mas lami bitaw ni siya kaysa atong Socratic. Banggiitang pilosopo mana si Soc, and probably in competition always with his ancient colleague mao tong nakasulti siya ato. Kay kon diha pa pod si Platito ato tungora, tubagon unta to niya si Soc: "Speak for yourself bay Soc!!! Videoke ra mi ganahan maminaw sa among tingog." Galing kay wa pa ma huna-hunae videoke atong panahona sa Greek world, ahihihi

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benelynne · « **Reply #184 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:33:40 PM »

In this sense, ikaw ang Jesuitic, Bay HB. Lingaw kaayo sa play of words nimo, kapin pa kanang mga double (or multiple) entendre.

He he, bitaw, Bay Ben, I guess ang negative connotation sa "Jesuitic"--meaning, maajong mogamit og confusing or ambiguous words to deceive others--maoy nahimong "switik".

Daghan bitaw ko biliban ani nila, in practically all academic disciplines, from Philosophy to Physics. John Courtney Murray SJ is known to be one of the architects of the 2nd Vatican Council, and warmed up the Church to ecumenism and religious freedom. Indirectly tingali, si Father Chic naka-benefit ani nga liberal atmosphere kay I'm sure in other times, lisod tingali mag-express ug non-mainstream views ang usa ka pari.

Ambot nganong naingon ni ani. It must be because Jesuits are usually scholars (read: over-educated, he he) that their name has become associated with craftiness.

Yes, we tend to judge men by their most unquotable quotes. I think it was the Socratic legacy of intellectual discourse in Athens that partly influenced many of Paul's great writings in his epistles. Very Greek kaayo ang iyang linguistic flourish.

As for Socrates, well, he was a vain man whose vanity is worth a thousand modesties in any imaginable universe. Most other vanities are not even worth one unit of computer memory.

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benelynne · « **Reply #185 on:** October 03, 2009, 02:42:56 PM »

Maayong pagmata, Pads. OK ra man tingali for Socrates to listen to his own voice in a debate (kay wa man tingali makalupig niya at that time), pero ug sa videoke ka mayabag, kapin pa diri sa Pinas, you can be the 12th (na ba?) fatality.

Mas lami bitaw ni siya kaysa atong Socratic. Banggiitang pilosopo mana si Soc, and probably in competition always with his ancient colleague mao tong nakasulti siya ato. Kay kon diha pa pod si Platito ato tungora, tubagon unta to niya si Soc: "Speak for yourself bay Soc!!! Videoke ra mi ganahan maminaw sa among tingog." Galing kay wa pa ma huna-hunae videoke atong panahona sa Greek world, ahihihi

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #186 on:** October 03, 2009, 06:25:01 PM »

Maayong pagmata, Pads. OK ra man tingali for Socrates to listen to his own voice in a debate (kay wa man tingali makalupig niya at that time), pero ug sa videoke ka mayabag, kapin pa diri sa Pinas, you can be the 12th (na ba?) fatality.

Basta dili lang My Way imong kantahon, dili man tingali peligro. Normally, kon dili ka hambogero daan, bisan pag majabag ka sa pagkanta, OK lang tingali kay hubog man ang kadaghanan sa maminaw. Pero kon hambogero ka, bisan dili pa mahibaw-an nga jabag ka, mapusilan jud ka. Mao ni nakaanindot sa cyberspace kay walay pinusilay nga mahitabo. (Naay angay magpasalamat ani.)

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #187 on:** October 03, 2009, 10:07:19 PM »

Basta dili lang My Way imong kantahon, dili man tingali peligro. Normally, kon dili ka hambogero daan, bisan pag majabag ka sa pagkanta, OK lang tingali kay hubog man ang kadaghanan sa maminaw. Pero kon hambogero ka, bisan dili pa mahibaw-an nga jabag ka, mapusilan jud ka. Mao ni nakaanindot sa cyberspace kay walay pinusilay nga mahitabo. (Naay angay magpasalamat ani.)

hahahhah!

Good morning ninyo tanan! ka nindot sa intellectual intercourse diri!

Nindot sad akong pagmata kay murag 9 hours akong tulog.

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jamo2x · « **Reply #188 on:** October 03, 2009, 10:16:52 PM »

Sakto ka Father bakakon ning tawo moingon wala siyay sala. Even the just man sin 7 times a day unsa pa kaha ko mahibal an ra jud ning katag inig hukman na ko sa Ginoo diha ra ko kabawo kapila kaha ko kasala sa usa ka adlaw hehehhe.
@ Glacier agree ko nimo bisan unsa diay ta nga stage sa kinabuhi atong gilakwan magkinahanglan jud ug dagkong sakripisyo.Ma admin man sa TB or ma poster magsakrispisyo jud.Ug poster ka unya hinam ang topic usahay sakripisyohon sa nimo ug pangihi ug kaon kay humanon ang gi type.hehehe

Lisod jud siguro ning tentasyon sa pari kay laliman puro mga dalaga ug naa poy di dalaga. Attractive man ning pari jud ba bisan uban hindi kagwapuhan hahahah.

di lng attractive Raqz, bisag di dw wafo, humot dw na cla sa mga chix...

hehehe. speaking of sakripisyo, akong angkol sa una, gi arsa nya ijang asawa.
Pari: ngano gilukdo man nimo imong asawa
angkol: Pader, ingon ka, be like Christ, carry your cross

jowk lng

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jamo2x · « **Reply #189 on:** October 03, 2009, 10:19:04 PM »

Good morning ninyo tanan! ka nindot sa intellectual intercourse diri!

bisaya-a dw na ^ dabz, morag lisoran ko mo translate sa lunsayng bisaja

good mornin sab

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #190 on:** October 03, 2009, 10:37:47 PM »

bisaya-a dw na ^ dabz, morag lisoran ko mo translate sa lunsayng bisaja

good mornin sab

"pakig kukabildo"

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jamo2x · « **Reply #191 on:** October 03, 2009, 10:57:04 PM »

"pakig kukabildo"

aww, korek sab

may na lng wa nako gisuwayan og translate....
ma bendisyonan jud kog ahat ni Padz chic og isa ka baldeng agua de bendita

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Bambi · « **Reply #192 on:** October 03, 2009, 11:05:59 PM »

Diha baja koy kaila kaniadto nga pari ang tirada. Nakapagawas sijag duha ka pari so far. I heard nga karon, elderly priest ang ijang ongoing victim. Dili na pud tingali ning paria mogawas kay hapit na man mo-retire. Unja ang baje is in her 40s na, kalma na tingali pud.

hubs, basin ug ang kolekta ray giinitan ato. $:-\$ bitaw, unsaon man pod ug maoy ijang type?

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chicogon · « **Reply #193 on:** October 03, 2009, 11:39:18 PM »

...speaking of sakripisyo, akong angkol sa una, gi arsa nya ijang asawa.

Pari: ngano gilukdo man nimo imong asawa

angkol: Pader, ingon ka, be like Christ, carry your cross

Ahihihi!!!!

Kristiyano kaau usahay tandayan ang kuros!!!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #194 on:** October 04, 2009, 12:06:14 AM »

bwahahahha!

huy mga pasaway!

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Scarb · « **Reply #195 on:** October 04, 2009, 12:27:04 AM »

whoa ! last nako basa ani page 17,perti nako subay woi,lain ning makasugod unya dli nimo hotdon ky morag ma bitin dli na ta maka relate,wow na wow nagkadaiyang "ideas/views"

well, nia pod koy gamayng tampo,yuna pah asa na kaha to si SS(sabsad) kumusta na kaha ang ilang debate?

so far, ako nahibaw-an basta ma ordenahan na dli na daw pwede magminyo (RC priest)
pero naa koy instructor sa una nga pari siya unja migawas nagminyo,iyaha wify ky madre pod
prehas sila nga mora ba'g ila gi surrender ilang ID or license pagka pari og madre aron maka minyo sila?
abi ninyo mas prefer mi modoul nila og naa miy probs. bawo ba nga among treat nila lahi ra sa among uban maestro/tra,ambot ba ingon akong ka berks dli daw sila maulaw or magpanuko mo sulti ug depre-mood sila kaysa adto titser namo nga wla moagi ug servisio sa Ginoo.
matud pa sa ako granny ang mga pari preha og adjutant ni BRO.,kadto pod sila (pari/madre) ky maka atik man sad kong naay probs. ang usa ka estudiante,mahibong na lang ka inig homan sa klase ingnon ka nya
Ms. so and so,pabilin kadiyot,unya ngutana unsay imo probs.,mahupay dayon mi sa iyang tambag.

naa pod taga amoa jud madre na jud sya bata pa kaau,unja migawas sya mi eskwela ug BS-Eed,
sani ba to sya mora man Bird nakagawas sa hawla,uyab deri-didto, naa pa jud huhingihong ang usa
sa iyang uyab minyo,agoi..unja kaingon namo approachable sya ug malumo ang iyang mga polong,
ky wat is nu gikan gud nag madre,hoi sani ba medyo sulpladahon man.
chur pa morag dako ang pagkausob.
amo nahibaw-an nga misulod pod sya pagka madre ky na desperado
and why naka antus sya solod sa kombento hangtud na madre na sya "@ d end" mogawas rapod sya?

hisgot ra ning ako,what im trying to emphasize here is that,
usahay ang tawo kon malit-ag sa tawhanong paon or bigaÂ²,unja maka realized na,pawa sa hilas
ky gamiton dayon ang atong "fave lines" nga
"we are just human,subject to commit mistakes"
ug expression pa sa mga younggitz ,"kinahanglan bang e memorize na"?ajehehe

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #196 on:** October 04, 2009, 01:03:46 AM »

Ahihihi!!!!

Kristiyano kaau usahay tandayan ang kuros!!!

mao nay timaan tingali, pads chico, nga gidawat gyud niya iyang kurus kay tandayan naman.

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Scarb · « **Reply #197 on:** October 04, 2009, 01:16:29 AM »

kafaertz kuruz na lamay tandajan?

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #198 on:** October 04, 2009, 01:31:23 AM »

sus kamo mga laki no? kurus ra lagi mi mga baje ug naa mo sa gawas sa balay! if i know sigi mo tago sa ilawom sa saya sa inyung KURUS! dayun raba ug di katanday o kapatid o kasikad-sikad sa inyung KURUS, unya mag wild!!

ay na lang ta ninyo!!!

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Scarb · « **Reply #199 on:** October 04, 2009, 01:38:26 AM »

sus kamo mga laki no? kurus ra lagi mi mga baje ug naa mo sa gawas sa balay! if i know sigi mo tago sa ilawom sa saya sa inyung KURUS! dayun raba ug di katanday o kapatid o kasikad-sikad sa inyung KURUS, unya mag wild!!

ay na lang ta ninyo!!!

ay eh shalan ba diay ang gi mean nga KURUZ dani si inday diay? yhehehe
ala ko ka getz nasaag

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