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Bohol GSIS Scandal
« on: September 07, 2008, 11:11:36 AM »
By Kit Bagaipo
The Bohol Chronicle


It shocked an active pensioner of the Government Service Insurance System (GSIS) after learning that he appeared in official records as dead.

Celebrating his 86th birthday yesterday, Joseph Sevilla Sr. even went to the GSIS Tagbilaran office two months ago to confirm his status as a pensioner which is required by the GSIS to regularly update its database.

Last week, however, Sevilla received a letter from the GSIS informing him that his name “matched with the National Statistics Office (NSO) records of death.”

Dr. Maria Linda Namocatcat, a daughter of Sevilla, believes that other old-age pensioners could have received a similar letter from the GSIS which appeared to be generic and had blank lines where the names of addresses are to be filled up.

The letter asked Sevilla to prove his existence and that he was not “the same person matched by the NSO” by reporting to the GSIS office and present his eCard together with two valid identification.

Condescending as the letter was, Sevilla was also told that the release of his monthly pension would be delayed if he fails to report at the GSIS office immediately.

The GSIS explained in the letter that the GSIS-NSO matching of database was “necessary for monitoring the status of pensioners” as part of cleansing their records of unqualified pensioners.
Namocatcat told the Chronicle that writing such offensive letter to a pensioner was uncalled for considering the GSIS could have just sent authorized representatives to conduct home visitations to check on the status of its pensioners.

Given that two or more persons’ names matched in the NSO records, it is unlikely that they have similar middle names, addresses, signatures or thumbmarks, Namocatcat pointed out.

She said that the GSIS is adopting a culture of distrust among its clients by presuming that pensioners would tell lies just to get the pension which is rightfully due to them.

“Pensioners should be afforded courtesy,” Namocatcat added saying that his father had served the government well as auditor of the Commission on Audit. Sevilla, who retired at 60, also served as post commander of war veterans in the first district of Tagbilaran.

“We believe there are other old-age pensioners who received the same letter but could not complain, especially those in the towns,” she said.

Although the letter was signed by GSIS Bohol caretaker Cecilia Guinto, Namocatcat was told that the letter came from Manila.

Namocatcat suspects that the GSIS-NSO matching is just another scheme to cut-off payments of pensions of the cash-strapped insurance agency.

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2008, 11:21:20 AM »
“We believe there are other old-age pensioners who received the same letter but could not complain, especially those in the towns,” she said.

Sus,grabe ba.


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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2008, 12:03:13 PM »
Given that two or more persons’ names matched in the NSO records, it is unlikely that they have similar middle names, addresses, signatures or thumbmarks, Namocatcat pointed out.

Sevilla, aawhat? similar thumbmarks??? Helloooo! wake up!!!
GSIS is the biggest insurance agency sa Tibuok Pilipinas, and i dont believe nga they just send notice if that name appeard in NSO as dead. Whats wrong with asking some proof?? I used to work at the GSIS and i know how honest that agency was...

Sevilla was not the only pensioner who received that notice for proof. When i was working at the Agency i also encountered the same problem with one client. And you know what? they comply the requirements, easy...

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 04:50:02 PM »
By Kit Bagaipo
The Bohol Chronicle


The GSIS explained in the letter that the GSIS-NSO matching of database was “necessary for monitoring the status of pensioners” as part of cleansing their records of unqualified pensioners.


Watta mess! If GSIS wants cleansing of their records, it should first cleanse its roster of unqualified, inept and insensitive officials from the president down the line.

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 07:31:11 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 07:49:57 PM »
No man is perfect, we all know that... pero kining issue about sa GSIS i guess miscommunication lang ni.  Tama  ma ning naay gihimo nga matching and cleansing of records.  Kung naa man ugaling deferensya nga nakita along the process, naa man na solution nga himoon ug isa na ani ang presentation of true documents and identifications, para ma straight ang record sa membro, para usab malikayan ang mga fraudulent claims in the future.




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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2008, 08:58:04 PM »
No man is perfect, we all know that... pero kining issue about sa GSIS i guess miscommunication lang ni.  Tama  ma ning naay gihimo nga matching and cleansing of records.  Kung naa man ugaling deferensya nga nakita along the process, naa man na solution nga himoon ug isa na ani ang presentation of true documents and identifications, para ma straight ang record sa membro, para usab malikayan ang mga fraudulent claims in the future.






I agree with you aa, ang uban mabaw kaayo ug pangutok! mabaw ra jud! Ug mahitabo nga naay mga ghost pensioners, mahitabo na sad nga FRAUD! unya pasanginlan na sad ang Agency nga wala nag pakabana! shaln ba ning mga tawo oi! Mao jud diay nga ang Pilipinas di mausab....Usa na ka example si Sevilla, nga pangayuan ra ug documents, himuon naman nga SCANDAL!

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2008, 09:24:23 PM »
In fairness pud sa membro Ms Dabins basin sa ka shocked nija wa sya kabalo sa iyang buhaton ug nahimo na hinoong scandal sa nagbalita niini hehehe

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2008, 09:43:41 PM »
bitaw sad aa, hahahah! abi mo di baya tingali na scandal ang sinugdanan ana, basi si Sevilla nangita ra ug tambag, mao nay gidangat sad nga gihimo ug scandal sa nag tambag. I agree with you again aa! apir!

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2008, 11:31:58 PM »
correct jud mong duha...i think, asking for proof or any kind of document is not a big deal...it's natural for any kind of agency to ask for documents specially when the've found something like what happened...that's the exact thing to do, ask for proof!!!
dili man siguro nagpasabot ang letter ug murag nag apas ang pensioner ug money, ning sunod lang sila ug process kanang gi ingon ug wala pagpataka ba!!!

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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2008, 08:00:30 AM »
Apir Mafia!!!

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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2008, 11:32:31 PM »
mao si joseph sevilla kadtong former reservist sa military? kani nga scandal, gipasingugdahan napud ni winston garcia. baga jud kaayo ug nawong ning tawhana, kay di jud mo-resign bisan unsaon ug malmal sa mga employees sa GSIS ug sa mga pensioners. tsk tsk tsk. basin usa nasad ni sa ilang pangawarta.

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 08:17:06 AM »
tngali gumikan s ato o ila pd nga pgkatawhanon nasayop sila pero dili lamang kana ang igo nga basihanan para m.judge ta nila..............lets give them another chance........ok? 8)

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 08:18:12 AM »
mao niy dapat asikasohin ni winston garcia!

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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2008, 04:40:35 PM »
ang anomalya sa GSIS Bohol adto pang Mayo 2007.... ,

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2008, 02:26:58 AM »
maayo pag duha ka agency ang dad-on ni dodong neri, ang SSS ug GSIS. pwede ba kaha?

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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2008, 06:36:55 AM »
maayo pag duha ka agency ang dad-on ni dodong neri, ang SSS ug GSIS. pwede ba kaha?



Ug Government employee or used to be a governemnt employee ka, automatic ka member sa GSIS (Government Service Insurance System)  and they are the ones taking care of your insurances dili ang SSS, ang SSS para na sha sa mga private nga employees and they too are the ones taking care of thier insurances. 

So dili pwede duha.

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2008, 11:39:02 AM »
pastilan paita diay no maa an diay tag patay na ani .. hoy gsis.. pagmata na mo oi...

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2008, 02:29:04 PM »
huy dili man na magikero ang mga taga GSIS, ang NSO man sad nag hatag nila ug information oi! taga SGIS raba ko noh?

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2008, 06:46:18 PM »
Dili man cguro pod malikajan nga mghunahuna ang tawo nga usa ni ka scheme to cut-off the pension. About pod sa SSS nka-experience akng lola nga na cut-off iya pension kay kuno ang coordinator nila sa una nga didto sila magbayad na-disqualified kay wla i-remit ang bayad. Sa tanan nga kauban sa akong lola nga sakop sa maong coordinator morag sya lang ang na cut-off tungod sa maong rason, dili tungod kay dunay deperensya ang iyang personal nga mga records. Hangtod namatay sya wla jud mabalik iyang pension. Dili ba morag makaingon ta nga dunay anomaliya?

I'm not against the agency kay basin naa jud sila'y pasikaranan nga gi cut-off nila - ako lang gihatag akong opinion bahin ani nga sitwasyon. NO offense to the parties involved...

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2008, 11:46:25 PM »


Ug Government employee or used to be a governemnt employee ka, automatic ka member sa GSIS (Government Service Insurance System)  and they are the ones taking care of your insurances dili ang SSS, ang SSS para na sha sa mga private nga employees and they too are the ones taking care of thier insurances. 

So dili pwede duha.
dili na maoy akong gi mean. kahibalo man ko ana. si dodong neri maoy president sa SSS karon, usa ka bol-anon na siya. si winston garcia taga cebu nya silang duha kay puro man gibutang ni gloria diha. since daghan gusto nga mopahawa si winston, nya nibuto ning balitaa. samay labi ug si dodong neri pud ang mahimong chairman sa GSIS aron duha na iyang dad-on aron ma protehian ang mga bol-anon. pwede ba?

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« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2008, 12:25:59 AM »
dili na maoy akong gi mean. kahibalo man ko ana. si dodong neri maoy president sa SSS karon, usa ka bol-anon na siya. si winston garcia taga cebu nya silang duha kay puro man gibutang ni gloria diha. since daghan gusto nga mopahawa si winston, nya nibuto ning balitaa. samay labi ug si dodong neri pud ang mahimong chairman sa GSIS aron duha na iyang dad-on aron ma protehian ang mga bol-anon. pwede ba?


ahh, i see, shalan klaroha diha! hahahaha i got it!

Anyhow, dili pwede na sha Ray kay ang mga managers sa GSIS should be from GSIS ra jud, like my GSIS manager before sa Pinas pa ko, my manager was once a Loan analyst like me dayun na promote to a section head then na manager etc, etc. Dili man pwede nga ang mag manage straight from outside kay lahi man ang mga pamaagi sa GSIS ug SSS, bisan preho ra na nga insurance sa mga employee.



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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2008, 12:28:46 AM »
Dili man cguro pod malikajan nga mghunahuna ang tawo nga usa ni ka scheme to cut-off the pension. About pod sa SSS nka-experience akng lola nga na cut-off iya pension kay kuno ang coordinator nila sa una nga didto sila magbayad na-disqualified kay wla i-remit ang bayad. Sa tanan nga kauban sa akong lola nga sakop sa maong coordinator morag sya lang ang na cut-off tungod sa maong rason, dili tungod kay dunay deperensya ang iyang personal nga mga records. Hangtod namatay sya wla jud mabalik iyang pension. Dili ba morag makaingon ta nga dunay anomaliya?

I'm not against the agency kay basin naa jud sila'y pasikaranan nga gi cut-off nila - ako lang gihatag akong opinion bahin ani nga sitwasyon. NO offense to the parties involved...

tinood jud naa jud na sila gibasihan ug naga sunod jud na sila ug balaud ug mga office orders. about sa kaso sa imo lola naa jud to sya valid reason (nganong na cut-off), ug cguro mas masabtan pa to nimo jud unta kung kaw niuban sa imong lola pag adto sa maong ahensya ug nag pa explain ug tarong nganong ingon adto ang nahitabo, i'm sure detalye jud ka explanan sa taga sss ba kung ngano (so far walay anomaliya ang sss nga imong madunggan aside lang sa mga pipila ka fraudulents nga dili malikayan nga ginahimo sa mga way puangud nga mga fixer nga dili taga sss pero gina tutukan na nila nga ma prevent ug dili na makalusot).

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« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2008, 12:32:51 AM »
In fairness pud ni Winston no, lisod man gud mo explain kung ang uban nga tawo na brainwash na no sa mga nabasa ug sa nadungog, but try to asked gud people from GSIS with good moral standing most of them can talk about what Winston did for the good of the system ug pila ka anomaliya ang iyang na pakgang.

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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2008, 12:33:58 AM »
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/regions/view_article.php?article_id=159659


Ray thank you for pasting this link. This is very informative. There was nothing wrong about this. This was not a scandal at all! Why are people makig this a scandal that this are all about legalities? Yes it was insulting but this is not a SCANDALOUS  motive of the agency!

Bisan diri sa Merica naay mga ing ana nga panghitabo.Ang atong mga katawhan mas sensitive lang kaayo,which i cant blame kay part man na sa atong culture.



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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2008, 11:11:28 PM »
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/regions/view_article.php?article_id=159659
that's why i was shocked to hear the title scandal. my brother who worked at cebu daily news give me this article. PDI is the national publication of CDN as well as sister tabloid Bandera.

Ray thank you for pasting this link. This is very informative. There was nothing wrong about this. This was not a scandal at all! Why are people makig this a scandal that this are all about legalities? Yes it was insulting but this is not a SCANDALOUS  motive of the agency!

Bisan diri sa Merica naay mga ing ana nga panghitabo.Ang atong mga katawhan mas sensitive lang kaayo,which i cant blame kay part man na sa atong culture.



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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2008, 12:37:50 AM »
tinood jud naa jud na sila gibasihan ug naga sunod jud na sila ug balaud ug mga office orders. about sa kaso sa imo lola naa jud to sya valid reason (nganong na cut-off), ug cguro mas masabtan pa to nimo jud unta kung kaw niuban sa imong lola pag adto sa maong ahensya ug nag pa explain ug tarong nganong ingon adto ang nahitabo, i'm sure detalye jud ka explanan sa taga sss ba kung ngano (so far walay anomaliya ang sss nga imong madunggan aside lang sa mga pipila ka fraudulents nga dili malikayan nga ginahimo sa mga way puangud nga mga fixer nga dili taga sss pero gina tutukan na nila nga ma prevent ug dili na makalusot).

Pero kadto rman jud nga hinungdan ang giingon sa tga SSS kay lagi wla i-remit ang bayad. Nkahinumdom diay pod ko nga dihay kauban sa ako lola nga na cut-off pero nabalik ra kay gi-asikaso sa usa ka abogado. pero sa akong lola wa jud mabalik bsan giasikaso sa mao ra gahapon nga abogado. Other than that wa nay lain pang rason nga gihatag ang SSS. Mkapangutana lang ko ngano kaha nga naingon adto?

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2008, 02:30:48 PM »
If were talking about Philippines government agency all i can think of is "Corrupt". You cannot blame me.

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2008, 03:32:51 PM »
Pero kadto rman jud nga hinungdan ang giingon sa tga SSS kay lagi wla i-remit ang bayad. Nkahinumdom diay pod ko nga dihay kauban sa ako lola nga na cut-off pero nabalik ra kay gi-asikaso sa usa ka abogado. pero sa akong lola wa jud mabalik bsan giasikaso sa mao ra gahapon nga abogado. Other than that wa nay lain pang rason nga gihatag ang SSS. Mkapangutana lang ko ngano kaha nga naingon adto?

since wala pa man jud diay nimo masabtan nganong ingon adto ang nahitabo, pwede man nga ikaw mismo ang moadto ug tukion nimo kung ngano, duol ka lang sa ila manager ug ayaw hawa hangtud nga ki da masatisfied sa ilang explanation. 

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2008, 06:38:36 PM »
knowing our government system,we cannot blame why these people are reacting  on that way.  philippine reality is really full of scandals mao nga gamay nga sayop scandal na. Gituyo man o wala sa GSIS ang nahitabo they cannot blame the complainant for becoming over-reacting kay daghan na baya nahitabo anomaliya sa goberno. For me if  GSIS really wanted to clear everything they should exert effort to satisfy their members. Dapat mamawi na sila if the allegation is false. ang nakalisud kay defensive ra sad kaayo. Og instead of helping them to realize what really happen ipangduot na man hinuon. Government employees are hired to serve not to complain. and they should be trained how to correctly handle complains and act on it right away.

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2008, 12:36:54 AM »
Og instead of helping them to realize what really happen ipangduot na man hinuon. Government employees are hired to serve not to complain.


I think you didn't get the whole thing Sir/Ma'am, if you will go back and read the news link that was posted in previous pages then you would've known what you have to  say. When you say "Government employees are hired to serve not to complain" I dont see and had never analyzed this move as a COMPLAIN from the government.

And one more thing, if these people are already paranoid of the government's handling towards them-I ask you, WHO CHOOSED THESE GOVERNMENT? Isn't it the PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS COMPALAIN ITSELF?

WAKE UP FILIPINOS! DONT JUST COMPLAIN!! DO SOMETHING!


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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2008, 06:19:48 PM »
Yup I read the article and the reactions that's why I said those things. Sorry if they sound worst. But it's also my experience dealing with those government workers. they complain for those complains from the people. You should know what i mean. and you know what happen instead of helping me they made me wait for 2 hours and told me to come back on the other day where in fact by just a click on their computer what I ask for could had been given right away. i believe they took it personally not professionally.

I also took pitty to those old pensioners. If it's not an honest mistake at the end of GSIS, being a service-oriented agency they should make the first move to help the victim of such mistake. may or it may not be directly their fault all recourse should be done to help the pensioners considering that they are old.


Yes we chose the people in the government. That's why they should prove to us that they are worthy of our votes. Beside we are not sure that those in the government are really justifiably voted bec we all know that politics in the Phils is really dirty.

Complains are always a part in dealing with social services. they must take it in a constructive manner for them to improve their services. And yes i'm awake now. That's why i'm doing this and saying my words to help them realize. Peace!!!!

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #34 on: September 19, 2008, 02:57:21 AM »
Taym pa, before ko ninghawa sa Pinas sa GSIS baja ko nag work. I am just making this straight kay i know GSIS very well. Sa paghawa nako ang computer namo LAN pa to wala pay internet. so ug naay mo apply ug loan or retirement, intawon amo intawon na i mano mano ang mga payment ninyo kada page ug kada buwan usa i analyze ug pila ang madawat sa applicant...

Karon kung ang applicant retiree, huna hunaa, pila ka buwan ug tuig sha nag work? mao na ka daghan among ukabon nga books sa ilang mga payments and everything. And yet we stayed longer to catch up sa mga loans and retirement applicants usahay without pay pa na kay para lang ma release namo na the next day. (Mao ako jud ni klarohon) Ang GSIS dili preha sa Capitol ug Cityhall employees nga mas daghang lingkod kay sa trabahoonon ug ayaw mo ka suko kay kani tinuod, Kadaghan sa City Hall ug Capitol ug uban pang Engineering Department nga ug naay ipalihok sukipan ug pila ka pesos ang lamano sa Head of the Department! Helllloooo! Knock-knock!!. Pila nato diri taga TB nga nag work sa GSIS and pila sad ang nag work sa City ug Province? Karon i will ask you FACE-TO-FACE how busy and rigid  are your job compared to the GSIS workers? Ayaw ko ninyo ingna nga lain ko ug batasan kay por que naa ko sa Amerika, I am fair. I am only making these things clear kay murag wa jud hinungdan ang mga reklamo dayun himuon nga BAKAK or sa eninglis pa LIE! (kanang title nga Scandal is a big LIE!!!) Wa koy gilabanan ninyo tanan kay bisan unsaon wa na jud koy mahimo sa pagtabang ninyo but to tell you all- If you have complain, tell it straight to the person you want to complain, para mahigmata sad na sila and dont be scared kay naa na ta sa bag-o nga millenia wa na ma uso ang hadlok2x kay kinaraaan na na.

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2008, 02:19:19 PM »
samok ba ana puro kabuang hehehe

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2008, 08:39:33 PM »
sorry ms da binsi my worst experience was not with GSIS coz i was not a government worker before.  Anyway i agree with you that the title SCANDAL is a lie bec it's not really the proper word. Kahibalo na man ka sa pinas nga pag uso sa scandal tanang panghitabo scandal na. I do appreciate your hardworks during your time in GSIS. I never knew nga manomano pa diay mo on your time. However, I believe GSIS for the moment has adopted the new technology. And i do believe that delays should no longer be an excuse for such new development. I also salute for your valor to uncover those under the table systems in some offices in the city hall and provincial offices. I hope somebody would be courageous enough to stop this very unbecoming practice.

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #37 on: November 07, 2008, 01:25:47 PM »
Yes, I agree that GSIS is corrupt , anomalous, and scandalous. Walay mapili
nga branches. diri sa Davao branch mao gihapon, daghang reclamo nga wala
ma post ang gibayad bisan ug sigi ang deduction sa payslip. Mo retire na unta
ko kay 60 na ko niadtong October 2008, hangtod karon wala pa gihapon ma
updates and tanan nga deduction. Ang G-waps until now is not responding.
Billion ang gasto apan dili magamit. Ang ilang gihimo karon updating of records,
pero duha na ka  tuig , wala gihapoy kausaban.

PLEASE wake up Winston.




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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #38 on: November 07, 2008, 11:20:18 PM »
unsaon man gud nga pet man sa mga arroyo ang mga garcia sa cebu. tanang mga anak ni pablo dunay gihuptan nga ranggo sa goberno agig bayad sa ilang natabang nga pagpanikas ni gloria sa 2004 election.

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Re: Bohol GSIS Scandal
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2008, 09:38:57 AM »
wa ko kasabot usahay aning paagi sa GSIS...like i-agi nas ATM ang retirement. akong papa masakiton, nya layo og ATM machine kay tuas tagbilaran...giahak!

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