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The doctrine of purgatory is based on the biblical truth that God’s judgment will be based on what we have done. [Revelation 20-12-13] From this, it follows that punishment will be based on the gravity of sins. Those who died committing grave or mortal sins will be condemned in Hell. But we must realize that:

1. Not all sins are mortal. [1 John 5:16]
2. Nothing impure enters heaven. [Revelation 21:27]

So if a man dies with sins that are not mortal [i.e., do not lead to death], he will not go to Hell because his sins are not grave enough to warrant eternal punishment. However, he will not be able to go to Heaven immediately because he is not pure enough to enter in it. He will first need to undergo purification to enter Heaven. Purification in the afterlife is what we call PURGATORY. This is not a stretch because the bible says that the “forgiveness of sins” happens not only in this world but even in the afterlife [Matthew 12:32; 2 Maccabees 12:46], and that alongside Heaven and Earth there is a place called “under the Earth” where people worship Christ [Philippians 2:10], which points to Purgatory. So Purgatory is biblical. You just have to exercise diligence in understanding the scriptures. The bible says: “whoso readeth, let him understand.” [Matthew 24:15]




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You will sometimes hear it said that the word ‘Purgatory’ is not to be found in Holy Scripture, and it is true that the word itself did not come into common use until the Middle Ages, but the doctrine whereby souls are detained prior to their entry into Heaven is proved by references to the dead in the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Councils of Florence and of Trent and by Tradition.

An example of prayers being offered for the dead in the Old Testament is contained in the Book of Machabees.  It was written long before the coming of Christ. We learn from it that Judas Machabeus, commander of the Jewish army, lost a large number of his soldiers in a successful battle against the Syrians. When these soldiers came to be buried, heathen charms were discovered under their tunics. It worried Judas to think that some of his soldiers had been unfaithful to the one true God. In an effort to beg pardon of God for their sins, he collected 12,000 drachmas of silver and sent them to the temple in Jerusalem to have sacrifices offered for the dead soldiers, expressing the generally-held belief that ‘it is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from sins’.

In the New Testament a declaration made by St. Paul in a letter to the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 3: 14-15) is generally taken to refer to what we now think of as Purgatory. It reads: ‘If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.’

excerpt from An Explanation of Purgatory by Jim Dunning
http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2010/04/explanation-of-purgatory-part-1-of-2.html
underscoring mine

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Brothers and Sisters, let us pray for the forgiveness of sins of the eternal souls of our fellow departed dead; be they Catholic, Protestant, let us pray for the forgiveness of their sins.



Heavenly Father, in union with the merits of Jesus and Mary, I offer to You for the sake of the poor souls all the satisfactory value of my works during life, as well as all that will be done for me after death. I give You my all through the hands of the Immaculate Virgin Mary that she may set free whatever souls she pleases, according to her heavenly wisdom and mother's love for them. Recieve this offering, O God, and grant me in return an increase of Your grace. Amen.


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Unya sa panahon sa paghukom, Revelation 20:15,  Ug kon ang ngalan ni bisan kinsa dili makaplagan sa basahon sa kinabuhi, siya itambog sa linaw ng kalayo sa imperno. Duha lang ka destinasyon ang padulngan sa mga kalag, ang nakita sa lista adto sa langit. Unsa may basihan kon kinsa ang moadto sa purgatoryo. Wala. Mabaw kaayo nga pagtulun-an, dili Biblical, kay walay verse nga magpamatuod.

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Matthew 5:25-26 Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.



St. Francis de Sales:

Origen, St. Cyprian, St. Hilary, St. Ambrose, St. Jerome, and St. Augustine say that the way which is meant in the whilst thou art in the way [while you are going with him to court] is no other than the passage of the present life: the adversary [accuser] will be our own conscience, . . . as St. Ambrose expounds, and Bede, St. Augustine, St. Gregory [the Great], and St. Bernard. Lastly, the judge is without doubt Our Lord . . . The prison, again, is . . . the place of punishment in the other world, in which, as in a large jail, there are many buildings; one for those who are damned, which is as it were for criminals, the other for those in Purgatory, which is as it were for debt. The farthing, [penny] . . . are little sins and infirmities, as the farthing is the smallest money one can owe.

Now let us consider a little where this repayment . . . is to be made. And we find from most ancient Fathers that it is in Purgatory: Tertullian, [11] Cyprian, [12] Origen, [13] . . . St. Ambrose, [14] St. Jerome [15] . . . Who sees not that in St. Luke the comparison is drawn, not from a murderer or some criminal, who can have no hope of escape, but from a debtor who is thrown into prison till payment, and when this is made is at once let out? This then is the meaning of Our Lord, that whilst we are in this world we should try by penitence and its fruits to pay, according to the power which we have by the blood of the Redeemer, the penalty to which our sins have subjected us; since if we wait till death we shall not have such good terms in Purgatory, when we shall be treated with severity of justice. [16]




Reference
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1 Corinthians 3:11-15 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble - each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.


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This is a clear and obvious allusion to purgatory, or at least, even for the most skeptical person, something exceedingly similar to it. Thus thought the Fathers, such as St. Cyprian, [25] St. Ambrose, [26] St. Jerome, [27] St. Gregory the Great, [28] Origen, [29] and St. Augustine:

Lord, rebuke me not in Your indignation, nor correct me in Your anger [Psalm 38:1]. . . . In this life may You cleanse me and make me such that I have no need of the corrective fire, which is for those who are saved, but as if by fire . . . For it is said: He shall be saved, but as if by fire [1 Corinthians 3:15]. And because it is said that he shall be saved, little is thought of that fire. Yet plainly, though we be saved by fire, that fire will be more severe than anything a man can suffer in this life. [30]


St. Francis de Sales observes:

The Apostle uses two similitudes. The first is of an architect who with solid materials builds a valuable house on a rock: the second is of one who on the same foundation erects a house of boards, reeds, straw. Let us now imagine that a fire breaks out in both the houses. That which is of solid material will be out of danger, and the other will be burnt to ashes. And if the architect be in the first he will be whole and safe; if he be in the second, he must, if he would escape, rush through fire and flame, and shall be saved yet so that he will bear the marks of having been in fire . . . The fire by which the architect is saved can only be understood of the fire of Purgatory . . . . . .

When he . . . speaks of him who has built on the foundation, wood, straw, stubble, he shows that he is not speaking of the fire which will precede the day of judgment, since by this will pass not only those who have built with these light materials, but also those who shall have built in gold, silver, etc. All this interpretation, besides that it agrees very well with the text, is also most authentic, as having been followed with common consent by the ancient Fathers. [31]



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Why Go To Purgatory?




Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for "nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Rev. 21:27). Anyone who has not been completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, "unclean." Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely.

Fundamentalists claim, as an article in Jimmy Swaggart’s magazine, The Evangelist, put it, that "Scripture clearly reveals that all the demands of divine justice on the sinner have been completely fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It also reveals that Christ has totally redeemed, or purchased back, that which was lost. The advocates of a purgatory (and the necessity of prayer for the dead) say, in effect, that the redemption of Christ was incomplete. . . . It has all been done for us by Jesus Christ, there is nothing to be added or done by man."

It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering (Rom. 5:3–5), and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross.



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Nothing Unclean





Purgatory makes sense because there is a requirement that a soul not just be declared to be clean, but actually be clean, before a man may enter into eternal life. After all, if a guilty soul is merely "covered," if its sinful state still exists but is officially ignored, then it is still a guilty soul. It is still unclean.

Catholic theology takes seriously the notion that "nothing unclean shall enter heaven." From this it is inferred that a less than cleansed soul, even if "covered," remains a dirty soul and isn’t fit for heaven. It needs to be cleansed or "purged" of its remaining imperfections. The cleansing occurs in purgatory. Indeed, the necessity of the purging is taught in other passages of Scripture, such as 2 Thessalonians 2:13, which declares that God chose us "to be saved through sanctification by the Spirit." Sanctification is thus not an option, something that may or may not happen before one gets into heaven. It is an absolute requirement, as Hebrews 12:14 states that we must strive "for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord."



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Ngano gid man interesado ka sang tinuoray, To Bol, angdam ka na bang lumabang sang suba nga nagaulang sang kabuhi kag kamatay haw?

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Hmm, indi gid tumitingsi si Sir FD haw...

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wuhuhuhh...ajaw pod padre oi..buotan bya kog ma2log..

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Bwahaha! Sakto baya, kay si Bay Piks may midepensa sa concept of purgatory. Aw, naay uban, pero basin bug-at jamo, di maalsa mao nga di matambog...



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Kon duna may empirno, kinsa may nagbantay didto basin og naay molayat paingon sa langit.? Didto sa langit , tua ang mga angeles, si Kristo og ang Amahan. Dito sa imperno tua pod si Lucifer ug si Satanas.

KInsay kaha ang ilang pangulo didto. Wa kaha sila naghantak didto? Wa kahay maldito didto? basin ug ituklod ka aron mahulog sa imperno.

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Paul mentions this in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15: "Each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work, which any man has built on the foundation, survives, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."

Paul's thought calls to mind the image of God as the refiner's fire and fuller's soap mentioned in Malachi 3:2. Fuller's soap removed stains from clothing. A refiners fire was an oven of intense heat where precious metals were placed in order to purify them of their corrosion and dross. In the same way, purgatory is when a soul is immersed into the fire of God's love and lifted out of the residue of its imperfections.




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Hala! Kinsa may imong gipatamaan ani, Bay Piks?

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Hahahahaha. Kagay jud!

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hinoon, kun mag-abot si sir fd ug pikoy sa langit, and chances are they would, one day in the very far future, gawas nga arang paghudyaka sa kalangitan ug sa mga angheles, morag madamgo na nako kun kinsay motukmod ug kinsay itukmod.    

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hhmmm... naa pod ba kaha'y possibility nga madre ta? hehehehe

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madre de cacao.

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i beg your pardon, sir fd.  dili man tingali mabaw ang usa ka pagtulon-an tungod lang kay ang usa ka tawo di motuo.  besides, the bible was never there for readers to take literally.  if it were so and we ourselves must take it literally, sama sa imong giingon nga lista, kun akong tiwasan ang pagka-literal, nganong wa may verse nga nagpamatuod kun unsay gilistahan, spring notebook ba o yellow pad? 

ikaduha, way verse nga nagpamatuod nga naay nasod nga pilipinhon.  gapasabot ba na nga mabaw ang pagtulon-an kabahin sa pilipinas?  worse, wa atong mga ngan sa bibliya.  ang ipasabot ba ana nga neither here nor there ta sa panahon sa paghukom? 

faith in a divine being and the many ways of joining him at the end of our days has many nuances.  more often than not, it is more experiential and personal, as salvation should be, rather than a literal one.  the bible as the book of books is basis enough for our faith.  the churches or the different religious denominations that we adhere to are our guide.  nothing is ever literal. 

the real faithful i presume will never claim that one's personal belief is better than the other.  and that's beside the fact that all christian religious denominations can quote passages from the bible to support their specific beliefs, hands down, as can be seen in the posts of this thread.  it becomes a neverending story thus. 

but we can continue to learn from each other, if we may, in spite of or because of our personal beliefs and our religious denominations.  wa lay mas mabaw ug mas lawom.

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