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Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« on: September 20, 2012, 12:09:50 AM »
Tabangan daw ko ninyo ani gid pag intindi gid ya, kung may ara gid ba sang bible ma kita.

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 05:51:37 AM »
Dinhi sa TB damo gid hang maalamon sang ini nga hilisgotan pero indi gid sila makaibot sang sampak nga hambal mo haw...

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 06:01:52 AM »
Maghulat ka gid lang kay Fr. Pikoy Bonicol, sampaton siya sang debate2x sang ini nga dogtrina sang simbahan...

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 03:44:39 PM »
Dinhi sa TB damo gid hang maalamon sang ini nga hilisgotan pero indi gid sila makaibot sang sampak nga hambal mo haw...

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sang imo opingyon sir hubag bohol may ara o way gid haw?

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2012, 04:17:41 PM »
sang imo opingyon sir hubag bohol may ara o way gid haw?

Hmm, may naa gid porgatoryo diri sang duta, nakita ko gid man sang duha kong mata. Indi ko mahambal kung may naa ba sang ibang kinabuhi, ini lang hang nasinati ko ya...

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 04:31:13 PM »
Wa jud koy nasabtan bisan gamay! Hahahahaha.

Ang doktrina nahimo nang DOGTRINA. Mao ba gud ni sa Ilonggo? ;D

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 04:51:30 PM »
ang ginahambal mo gid to..bahin sang purgatoryo kung ara ba? ehh..para gid malaman mo kung ara ba..

sa pag kaka alam ko tungkol nito isa itong stop over, kung wala na ang isang tao sa lupa, ang kanyang kaloluwa ay maglakbay @ mag stop over muna dito sa tinawag na purgatoryo para husgahan ka kung saan ka papunta sa Impyerno(hell) ba O sa Langit..(heaven).

haha seryoso :D

pero ako2x rani to ha..ito ang paniniwala ko..

no more debates to..hehehe


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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 04:56:04 PM »
ang ginahambal mo gid to..bahin sang purgatoryo kung ara ba? ehh..para gid malaman mo kung ara ba..

sa pag kaka alam ko tungkol nito isa itong stop over, kung wala na ang isang tao sa lupa, ang kanyang kaloluwa ay maglakbay @ mag stop over muna dito sa tinawag na purgatoryo para husgahan ka kung saan ka papunta sa Impyerno(hell) ba O sa Langit..(heaven).

haha seryoso :D



milagro kay wa ka mosimang karon.. hehehe ^__^ peace ~__^

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2012, 04:59:16 PM »

milagro kay wa ka mosimang karon.. hehehe ^__^ peace ~__^

hheheh..la syaman sugdan na natog simang..:D :D

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 05:25:10 PM »
mosimang lang ko kadiyot una ko mo-bye-bye kadiyot... abi nakog morag arabo si pikoy.  makita na man hinoon sa iyang avatar nga mora diay siyag si justin bieber.  ambot, langit ba na o purgatoryo para niya.  tira to! ;D

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2012, 05:32:03 PM »
mosimang lang ko kadiyot una ko mo-bye-bye kadiyot... abi nakog morag arabo si pikoy.  makita na man hinoon sa iyang avatar nga mora diay siyag si justin bieber.  ambot, langit ba na o purgatoryo para niya.  tira to! ;D

pareha ta ma'am isles.. mo bye bye na pod ko karon samtang maayo ang panahon magwara wara sa ko karong gabie..

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2012, 09:35:52 PM »
ang ginahambal mo gid to..bahin sang purgatoryo kung ara ba? ehh..para gid malaman mo kung ara ba..

sa pag kaka alam ko tungkol nito isa itong stop over, kung wala na ang isang tao sa lupa, ang kanyang kaloluwa ay maglakbay @ mag stop over muna dito sa tinawag na purgatoryo para husgahan ka kung saan ka papunta sa Impyerno(hell) ba O sa Langit..(heaven).

haha seryoso :D

pero ako2x rani to ha..ito ang paniniwala ko..

no more debates to..hehehe


ang hambal ko gid kong magkita gid na siya sang bibliya haw, kasi may ara gid partner ko namangkot gid sang akon kun san o gid sang sulat maigkita sang bibliya.

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2012, 09:37:13 PM »
mosimang lang ko kadiyot una ko mo-bye-bye kadiyot... abi nakog morag arabo si pikoy.  makita na man hinoon sa iyang avatar nga mora diay siyag si justin bieber.  ambot, langit ba na o purgatoryo para niya.  tira to! ;D

madam isles tabangan mo gid ya ako, sayod gid ko ba na may ara ka gid ginatipigang kahingbalo mahitongod sang isyu na ginapamangkot ko gid ya.

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2012, 12:21:49 AM »
Tabangan daw ko ninyo ani gid pag intindi gid ya, kung may ara gid ba sang bible ma kita.


The Bible does not mention the exact word "purgatory," but instead it makes reference to a place which can be understood as what is referred to as purgatory. To claim that purgatory does not exist because the exact word does not appear in Scripture is a failure to understand Scripture.

You might as well even deny that there is a book called the Bible because no such name is found in the inspired writings.

One might as well deny the Trinity, Incarnation, and so forth because these exact words are not found in the Bible.

The name does not make the place; the place must exist first, then we give it a name. We call this place "purgatory" because it means "a cleansing place." Therein souls are purged from the small stains of sin, which prevent their immediate entrance into Heaven.


In the Old Testament

The first mention of Purgatory in the Bible is in 2 Maccabees 12:46: "Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from sin."

Granted, 2 Maccabees may not be in Protestant Bibles, but even if it cannot be used doctrinally then it at least has to have some historical worth. In it we can see what the pre-Christian community believed.

In Chapter 12 we can see Scriptural proof for Purgatory and evidence that the Jews had sacrifices offered for those of their brothers who had lost their lives in battle. That the Jews prayed for the dead shows that they believed in a place where they could be helped (now called Purgatory) and that the prayers of their living brothers and sisters could help them in that place.

These words in the book of Maccabees had so clearly favored the Catholic custom, that the whole book was removed from the Protestant Bible. Unfortunately for them, even if the book was not inspired, it still tells us of the practice of God's chosen people.



In the New Testament

In Matthew 5:26 Christ is condemning sin and speaks of liberation only after expiation. "Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny." Now we know that no last penny needs to be paid in Heaven and from Hell there is no liberation at all; hence the reference must apply to a third place.

Matthew 12:32 says, "And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

The same person as in the previously mentioned verse, Matthew, speaks of sin against the Holy Spirit. The implication is that some sins can be forgiven in the world to come. But not in Hell from which there is no liberation; nor in Heaven because nothing imperfect can enter it as we see in the next part. Any remission of sin cannot occur in either of these places because they are a final destination unlike purgatory.

Revelation 21:27: "...but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies." The place that is to be entered (the place to which this passage refers) is heaven (read the text around it for context).

The Bible clearly implies a place for temporary punishment after we die in the many passages which tell that God will reward or punish according to man's works.


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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2012, 12:24:58 AM »



III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY

1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

    As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: "Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

    Let us help and commemorate them. If Job's sons were purified by their father's sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611



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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2012, 12:28:13 AM »
I. A State After Death of Suffering and Forgiveness



Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 – Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8 ) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, "be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.

Matt. 12:32 – Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.

Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and "under the earth" which is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8 ). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.

Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs during our lives and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.

Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. They do not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.

1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.

Rev. 21:4 - God shall wipe away their tears, and there will be no mourning or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the passing away of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of tears and pain only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and God will not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls experiencing purgatory.

Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word “unclean” comes from the Greek word “koinon” which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean, and must be purified before entering heaven. It is amazing how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of the mercy of God. If there were no purgatory, this would also likely mean no salvation for most people. God is merciful indeed.

Luke 23:43 – many Protestants argue that, because Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven, there can be no purgatory. There are several rebuttals. First, when Jesus uses the word "paradise,” He did not mean heaven. Paradise, from the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive until the Lord's resurrection. Second, since there was no punctuation in the original manuscript, Jesus’ statement “I say to you today you will be with me in paradise” does not mean there was a comma after the first word “you.” This means Jesus could have said, “I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise” (meaning, Jesus could have emphasized with exclamation his statement was “today” or “now,” and that some time in the future the good thief would go to heaven). Third, even if the thief went straight to heaven, this does not prove there is no purgatory (those who are fully sanctified in this life – perhaps by a bloody and repentant death – could be ready for admission in to heaven).

Gen. 50:10; Num. 20:29; Deut. 34:8 - here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices was that the prayers freed the souls from their painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God.

Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are unnecessary in heaven and unnecessary in hell. These dead are in purgatory.

Zech. 9:11 - God, through the blood of His covenant, will set those free from the waterless pit, a spiritual abode of suffering which the Church calls purgatory.

2 Macc. 12:43-45 - the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help them to the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and those in hell can no longer be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the age-old teaching of purgatory. As a result, he removed Maccabees from the canon of the Bible.






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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2012, 02:35:02 AM »
madam isles tabangan mo gid ya ako, sayod gid ko ba na may ara ka gid ginatipigang kahingbalo mahitongod sang isyu na ginapamangkot ko gid ya.

kompleto na ang ginahambal ni lorenz sa imong pamangkot, bolbs.  kontento ka na?  these are doctrinal issues, catholic ones.

sa akon simple lang ang relihiyon and all things related to my faith.  our lives, and the human laws that we abide by in our lives, are ideally bible-based.  it is in the interpretation of the bible, in the discernment, that we could differ.  some are better at discerning than others. 

as a catholic, i'd rather put my trust in our doctrinal experts for the bible's interpretation (as compared to other christian religions whose adherents tend to read the bible literally).  i believe the bible is too complicated a book with too many literary devices to be taken too literally.  the wisdom of the ages thus must take the upper hand.  it is in this context that i believe there is purgatory because our church's doctrinal experts and thinkers have said so since way, way back. 

the word purgatory may not be in the bible, but it does not mean that the state of cleansing, that state of atonement and forgiveness, which is not necessarily a physical place, does not exist.  that our church fathers gave it a name, well, so much the better; it makes it easier to understand.

may ara gid ako ngalan.  kun wala pa, o kun iba pa akon ngalan, wala kana magkahulugan nga wala gid ako dinhi.  karon lang, kun molingi ka, naa gid ko sa imon luyo. ;D

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Re: Ara gid ba Porgatoryo?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2012, 01:19:53 PM »
kompleto na ang ginahambal ni lorenz sa imong pamangkot, bolbs.  kontento ka na?  these are doctrinal issues, catholic ones.

sa akon simple lang ang relihiyon and all things related to my faith.  our lives, and the human laws that we abide by in our lives, are ideally bible-based.  it is in the interpretation of the bible, in the discernment, that we could differ.  some are better at discerning than others. 

as a catholic, i'd rather put my trust in our doctrinal experts for the bible's interpretation (as compared to other christian religions whose adherents tend to read the bible literally).  i believe the bible is too complicated a book with too many literary devices to be taken too literally.  the wisdom of the ages thus must take the upper hand.  it is in this context that i believe there is purgatory because our church's doctrinal experts and thinkers have said so since way, way back. 

the word purgatory may not be in the bible, but it does not mean that the state of cleansing, that state of atonement and forgiveness, which is not necessarily a physical place, does not exist.  that our church fathers gave it a name, well, so much the better; it makes it easier to understand.

may ara gid ako ngalan.  kun wala pa, o kun iba pa akon ngalan, wala kana magkahulugan nga wala gid ako dinhi.  karon lang, kun molingi ka, naa gid ko sa imon luyo. ;D

I second that, Isles. The benefits of siding with doctrinal explanation is that one evades committing heresy that way. Many of our protestant christian brothers & sisters who depend solely on personal interpretation without Roman Catholic Ecclesiastic Doctrinal Teaching have the propensity of committing heresy.

The protestant rejection of the existence of purgatory as unbiblical is the thesis of heresy. Their basis is on Lutheran methodology, which in itself,  is heretical. Martin Luther, may God have mercy on his eternal soul, was responsible for removing 7 books from Holy Scripture. He was, of course, excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church, even unto death.

The St. James version of the bible, since it is devoid of the 7 books (Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel) is heretical in regards to the True, and Complete Version of the Holy Bible, which is Roman Catholic Bible.

Incidentally, it was the Early Church Fathers of the One, Holy Roman Catholic Church who compiled Holy Scripture in its entirety. It was the protestant heretic, Martin Luther, who removed 7 books without any authority whatsoever.





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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2012, 03:22:48 PM »
ang hambal ko gid kong magkita gid na siya sang bibliya haw, kasi may ara gid partner ko namangkot gid sang akon kun san o gid sang sulat maigkita sang bibliya.

hindi mn gid ako naka intindi sang ginahabal mo to...pero lahat ng naririnig ko tungkol sang purgaryo ehh.ala man daw gid na sang bibliya naka sulat, ehh..baka hindi lang nila nakita don kasi binura ni bro bugsay @ kapatid hubag..:D :D

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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2012, 03:51:23 PM »
hehehe, wa na lang gyod diay laing sad-an... naturalmente.

si bro bugsay, el shaddai?  si kapatid hubag, iglesia ni cristo?  sakto ba ini, to? ;D

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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2012, 05:57:59 PM »
hindi mn gid ako naka intindi sang ginahabal mo to...

Bwahaha! Bay Piks, hinihikayat kagid ni To Bol nga mag-aral sang Hilonggo haw... ;D




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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2012, 08:21:36 PM »
Bwahaha! Bay Piks, hinihikayat kagid ni To Bol nga mag-aral sang Hilonggo haw... ;D

ini haw, ginahabal sang sampak gid lang ang nalaman ko sang hilonggo bai hubag,,..ehhh..:D :D

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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2012, 08:48:36 PM »
ini haw, ginahabal sang sampak gid lang ang nalaman ko sang hilonggo bai hubag,,..ehhh..:D :D

Ang pulong "sang" lang hang Hilonggo haw. Binol-anon ini ya... ;D

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2012, 10:00:04 PM »
hehehe, wa na lang gyod diay laing sad-an... naturalmente.

si bro bugsay, el shaddai?  si kapatid hubag, iglesia ni cristo?  sakto ba ini, to? ;D

baw gid ya kon sakto gid hang pamangkot mo madam isles, no comins gid ako diha ya.  sila lang gid hang maka hambal sang ilang kaogalingong pangotok.

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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2012, 10:07:25 PM »
salamat gid sang mga hambal hambal dinhi gid hang mga ixplinasyon ninyo gid toto sir  Lorenz kag nene madam isles    :)

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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2012, 07:15:39 AM »
Hmm, angdam na gid hang Bols nga magpaporga ya...

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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2012, 04:08:08 PM »
salamat gid sang mga hambal hambal dinhi gid hang mga ixplinasyon ninyo gid toto sir  Lorenz kag nene madam isles    :)

sang hambal habal gid diay ni bro bugsay ug kapatid hubag to bohl lagid labot man diay??

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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2012, 04:46:57 PM »
Way gid mabasa sa Bibliya ang pong purgatoryo. Sa King James mabasa nato ang, "forgot to you."

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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2012, 06:17:00 PM »
Way gid mabasa sa Bibliya ang pong purgatoryo. Sa King James mabasa nato ang, "forgot to you."

Sa atong pagsabot sa Bibliya dunay duha ka paagi, una ang gitawag og DEFINITUS kun Explicit, dali Makita ang kahulugan pinaagi sa mabasa letra por letra. Ang ikaduha mao ang gitawag nga IMPLICATIO kun Implicit.Dili nato Makita dayon ang kahulogan kay dili man mabasa letra por letra, apan masabtan pinaagi sa naglimin nga kahulogan.
Ang pananglit sa Definitus kun Explicit, kun pruybahon nga si Cristo, Dios letra por letra: “Kay nagpaabot kita sa bulahan nga pagpadayag sa atong dakong Dios ug Manluluwas nga si Cristo: nga mihatag sa iyang kaugalingon alang kanato…” (Tito 2:13-14). Ang pagpruyba nga si Cristo Dios sa paagi nga IMPLICATIO mao ang Iyang pagbuhi og minatay, kang Lazaro. Wala siya moingon nga Siya Dios apan sayod nga makabuhi og patay sa Iyang kaugalingong gahom mao ang Dios (Deut. 32:39). “Ako mao ang Dios, Ako ang magkahatag og kinabuhi ug Ako usab ang makapatay sa tawo”.
Laing pruyba sa IMPLICATIO kun implicit mao ang pagtagna bahin sa manglupad nga puthaw ang ayroplano: “Ang Iyang mga caroo sama sa alimpuos…” (Jer. 4:13). Ang kanhi nga mga caroo sa gubat hinimo’g puthaw
Ang Purgatoryo anaa sa kategoriya nga IMPLICATIO kun Implicit dili letra por letra apan matin-aw kon sabton ang iyang kahulogan. Kay ang Dios mosilot sa kasal-anan sa tawo agad sa gidak-on o gigamyon sa maong sala. Kon dako ang sala, dako usab ang isilot kon gamay ra ang sala, gamay ra usab ang isilot (Lukas 12:47-48).
Ug kadtong mga nangamatay nga gamay ra ang sala, wala kini mahinulsoli, silotan sila apan adto sa silot nga makagawas pa sila human sila malimpiyohi. “Kon ang buhat ni bisan kinsa mahulog sa kapildihan walay dapayan nga moagi og kalayo apan maluwas pa siya,” (1 Cor. 3:15). Ug ang maong mga kalag katabangan pa sa atong mga pag-ampo: “Kay balaanon ug makaluwas ang pag-ampo alang sa mga nangamatay aron sila mabadbaran sa ilang mga sala,” (2 Macabeo 12:45). “Ug human nila mabayri ang diriyut nila nga sala makagawas pa sa sila sa prisohan,” (Mat. 5:26). Kay may sala nga mapasaylo pa sa sunod nga kinabuhi (Mat. 12:32).

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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2012, 07:02:12 PM »
very, very interesting.  kini nga whole explanation as posted by bolbs is truly definitus.

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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2012, 07:06:19 PM »
very, very interesting.  kini nga whole explanation as posted by bolbs is truly definitus.

naka intindi gid kaha sang baitobs ani, basin ipatranslate pa ni niya sang hilonggo..haw..:D

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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2012, 07:07:20 PM »
he would welcome your translation, piks.

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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2012, 07:14:51 PM »
he would welcome your translation, piks.

no....,,not me ms isle, si bai hubag ani kay experto sang hinilonggoy man gid ya, kay kining akoa tira pasagad raman ni sak sak sinagol bahal kaau paminawon basin ma highblood si baitubs..;D ;D

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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2012, 07:27:31 PM »
no....,,not me ms isle, si bai hubag ani kay experto sang hinilonggoy man gid ya, kay kining akoa tira pasagad raman ni sak sak sinagol bahal kaau paminawon basin ma highblood si baitubs..;D ;D

tira 'to piks... ;D

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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2012, 07:38:25 PM »
tira 'to piks... ;D

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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2012, 09:25:25 PM »
Way nakaadto sa purgatoryo.
Si Jesus misaka na sa langit. Mga bersikulo nga nagpamatuod:
The Lord Jesus Christ, demonstrated by the Ascension to be Lord (Matthew 28:18; Acts 2:36), entered upon His work as King; He is seated at the right hand of God (Matthew 26:64; Acts 2:33; Romans 8:34; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 10:12; Hebrews 12:2; 1 Peter 3:22), a picture of the unique position the Father has given Him of kingly power and authority over angels, authorities and powers in heaven and on earth (Daniel 7:13,14; Matthew 26:64; Ephesians 1:21,22; Ephesians 4:10; Colossians 1:16-18; Hebrews 1:13; 1 Peter 3:22).

The Lord Jesus Christ ascended to receive, as Conqueror, the gifts promised Him for His Church (Ephesians 4:8; Psalms 68:18): He ascended to send forth the Holy Spirit (John 7:39; 16:7; Acts 2:33).

The Ascension of Christ and the consequent outpouring of the Spirit made possible the numerous gifts of the Spirit that the Church enjoys (Ephesians 4:8,11-13).

The Lord Jesus Christ ascended to prepare a place for Christians (John 14:2): He is their forerunner, preparing the way for them (Hebrews 6:20; compared with Acts 7:56).

Christians are already set with the Lord Jesus Christ in heavenly places, for they are made to share by grace, through faith, the Resurrection and Ascension of Christ (Ephesians 2:6): their citizenship is now in heaven and their thoughts and affections should be set there (Philippians 3:20; Colossians 3:1,2).

In Christ's Ascension Christians have the assurance of a place in heaven (2 Corinthians 4:14; John 14:19) and of their own glorification (Philippians 3:21): God's purpose in giving Christians a share in the Resurrection and Ascension of their Lord is that in the coming ages He might show the immeasurable riches of His grace in kindness toward them in Christ Jesus (John 17:24; Ephesians 2:7).

Ang datu nga namatay didto na sa impiyerno. Mga bersikulo nga nagpamatuod:
Luke 16:19-31

[19] "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. [20] At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores [21] and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

[22] "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. [23] In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. [24] So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'

Dunay bay bersikulo nga nagpamatuod nga nakaadto sa porgatoryo.

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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2012, 09:27:39 PM »
Sa atong pagsabot sa Bibliya dunay duha ka paagi, una ang gitawag og DEFINITUS kun Explicit, dali Makita ang kahulugan pinaagi sa mabasa letra por letra. Ang ikaduha mao ang gitawag nga IMPLICATIO kun Implicit.Dili nato Makita dayon ang kahulogan kay dili man mabasa letra por letra, apan masabtan pinaagi sa naglimin nga kahulogan.
Ang pananglit sa Definitus kun Explicit, kun pruybahon nga si Cristo, Dios letra por letra: “Kay nagpaabot kita sa bulahan nga pagpadayag sa atong dakong Dios ug Manluluwas nga si Cristo: nga mihatag sa iyang kaugalingon alang kanato…” (Tito 2:13-14). Ang pagpruyba nga si Cristo Dios sa paagi nga IMPLICATIO mao ang Iyang pagbuhi og minatay, kang Lazaro. Wala siya moingon nga Siya Dios apan sayod nga makabuhi og patay sa Iyang kaugalingong gahom mao ang Dios (Deut. 32:39). “Ako mao ang Dios, Ako ang magkahatag og kinabuhi ug Ako usab ang makapatay sa tawo”.
Laing pruyba sa IMPLICATIO kun implicit mao ang pagtagna bahin sa manglupad nga puthaw ang ayroplano: “Ang Iyang mga caroo sama sa alimpuos…” (Jer. 4:13). Ang kanhi nga mga caroo sa gubat hinimo’g puthaw
Ang Purgatoryo anaa sa kategoriya nga IMPLICATIO kun Implicit dili letra por letra apan matin-aw kon sabton ang iyang kahulogan. Kay ang Dios mosilot sa kasal-anan sa tawo agad sa gidak-on o gigamyon sa maong sala. Kon dako ang sala, dako usab ang isilot kon gamay ra ang sala, gamay ra usab ang isilot (Lukas 12:47-48).
Ug kadtong mga nangamatay nga gamay ra ang sala, wala kini mahinulsoli, silotan sila apan adto sa silot nga makagawas pa sila human sila malimpiyohi. “Kon ang buhat ni bisan kinsa mahulog sa kapildihan walay dapayan nga moagi og kalayo apan maluwas pa siya,” (1 Cor. 3:15). Ug ang maong mga kalag katabangan pa sa atong mga pag-ampo: “Kay balaanon ug makaluwas ang pag-ampo alang sa mga nangamatay aron sila mabadbaran sa ilang mga sala,” (2 Macabeo 12:45). “Ug human nila mabayri ang diriyut nila nga sala makagawas pa sa sila sa prisohan,” (Mat. 5:26). Kay may sala nga mapasaylo pa sa sunod nga kinabuhi (Mat. 12:32).

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EXPLICIT = precisely & clearly expressed or readily observable.
IMPLICIT / IMPLIED =  “napasabot” (express or state indirectly)
        Ex: The water shortage, it means that we have to stop taking long showers.


Wa koy hilig mogahin og higayon sa academic discussions nga sama niini, apan kon si To Bol moseryoso ani nga tema, sakay na lang pud ko.

Biyaan ta na lang ang prologue bahin sa paggamit sa mga pulong definitus ug implicatio (which, sorry folks, reminds me of coitus and fellatio), pero atoa ning ginagmayon kay bug-at jamo ang tema.

Random lang una. Adto ta sa usa ka Biblical reference. Sigon sa Cathoilic Defender website, as quoted by my friend: "Ang Purgatoryo anaa sa kategoriya nga IMPLICATIO kun Implicit dili letra por letra apan matin-aw kon sabton ang iyang kahulogan. Kay ang Dios mosilot sa kasal-anan sa tawo agad sa gidak-on o gigamyon sa maong sala. Kon dako ang sala, dako usab ang isilot kon gamay ra ang sala, gamay ra usab ang isilot. (Lukas 12:47-48)

Karon, unsa may gisulti sa maong mga berso? Mao ni (sorry, Iningles ray akong nakit-an):

47 “The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. --New International Version (NIV)

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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2012, 09:34:33 PM »
no....,,not me ms isle, si bai hubag ani kay experto sang hinilonggoy man gid ya, kay kining akoa tira pasagad raman ni sak sak sinagol bahal kaau paminawon basin ma highblood si baitubs..;D ;D

He he, indi gid heksperto hang Hilonggo ko ya, sugat2x gid lang man, pero sang iban nga adlaw pati hugos2x pode gid haw...

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« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2012, 10:07:44 PM »
Way gid mabasa sa Bibliya ang pong purgatoryo. Sa King James mabasa nato ang, "forgot to you."

Mr. Daray,

In defense of Roman Catholic Magesterium, which was responsible for the promulgation of Holy Scripture, any and all other variants of the HOLY SCRIPTURE that are missing any books in old and new testament are all heretical variants. It is impossible for protestants to conceptually understand the existence of purgatory because the version of Holy Scripture that you read are the ones that were prepared by the heretic Martin Luther, who was responsible for removing 7 books from HOLY SCRIPTURE. For our protestant brothers and sisters to understand this concept, they must  accept that the St. James version is incomplete , and must read the Roman Catholic Holy Bible for the dispensation of the True Gospel's teachings.

The biblical version that you and other protestant brothers and sisters use are incomplete and devoid of 7 books that we, Roman Catholics, read and listen to during the Celebration of Holy Mass.

Purgatory exists. It is defined so and declared so by the incorruptibility and authority of the One, Holy Roman Catholic Church, which is guided by the Vicar of Christ, His Holiness the Pope.

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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2012, 10:20:41 PM »
Sa atong pagsabot sa Bibliya dunay duha ka paagi, una ang gitawag og DEFINITUS kun Explicit, dali Makita ang kahulugan pinaagi sa mabasa letra por letra. Ang ikaduha mao ang gitawag nga IMPLICATIO kun Implicit.Dili nato Makita dayon ang kahulogan kay dili man mabasa letra por letra, apan masabtan pinaagi sa naglimin nga kahulogan.
Ang pananglit sa Definitus kun Explicit, kun pruybahon nga si Cristo, Dios letra por letra: “Kay nagpaabot kita sa bulahan nga pagpadayag sa atong dakong Dios ug Manluluwas nga si Cristo: nga mihatag sa iyang kaugalingon alang kanato…” (Tito 2:13-14). Ang pagpruyba nga si Cristo Dios sa paagi nga IMPLICATIO mao ang Iyang pagbuhi og minatay, kang Lazaro. Wala siya moingon nga Siya Dios apan sayod nga makabuhi og patay sa Iyang kaugalingong gahom mao ang Dios (Deut. 32:39). “Ako mao ang Dios, Ako ang magkahatag og kinabuhi ug Ako usab ang makapatay sa tawo”.
Laing pruyba sa IMPLICATIO kun implicit mao ang pagtagna bahin sa manglupad nga puthaw ang ayroplano: “Ang Iyang mga caroo sama sa alimpuos…” (Jer. 4:13). Ang kanhi nga mga caroo sa gubat hinimo’g puthaw
Ang Purgatoryo anaa sa kategoriya nga IMPLICATIO kun Implicit dili letra por letra apan matin-aw kon sabton ang iyang kahulogan. Kay ang Dios mosilot sa kasal-anan sa tawo agad sa gidak-on o gigamyon sa maong sala. Kon dako ang sala, dako usab ang isilot kon gamay ra ang sala, gamay ra usab ang isilot (Lukas 12:47-48).
Ug kadtong mga nangamatay nga gamay ra ang sala, wala kini mahinulsoli, silotan sila apan adto sa silot nga makagawas pa sila human sila malimpiyohi. “Kon ang buhat ni bisan kinsa mahulog sa kapildihan walay dapayan nga moagi og kalayo apan maluwas pa siya,” (1 Cor. 3:15). Ug ang maong mga kalag katabangan pa sa atong mga pag-ampo: “Kay balaanon ug makaluwas ang pag-ampo alang sa mga nangamatay aron sila mabadbaran sa ilang mga sala,” (2 Macabeo 12:45). “Ug human nila mabayri ang diriyut nila nga sala makagawas pa sa sila sa prisohan,” (Mat. 5:26). Kay may sala nga mapasaylo pa sa sunod nga kinabuhi (Mat. 12:32).

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EXPLICIT = precisely & clearly expressed or readily observable.
IMPLICIT / IMPLIED =  “napasabot” (express or state indirectly)
        Ex: The water shortage, it means that we have to stop taking long showers.




Approve ko ani ! So long as we stick to doctrinal teachings, approve ko. :)

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