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That doesn't change the way I like you as a friend and the "gentle" (Oat) Bran I met and come to know bwahahaha... but you scare the "hell" out of me. Kung "heaven" pa lang unta, you would have tamed me all the more. 
 

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Aw, mao ba? Sorry for my lack of discernment, but you sound like a certified theologian to my ignorant ears... 

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Hmm. Spoken ex cathedra...

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bakling diay 

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The person who make the perfect act or just saying the act of contrition is enough for salvation.  A person who make an act of contrition is what is needed for salvation. While is is good to go to confession not everybody who die can make it to confession before then.
Ang mga nag commit ug suicide dili lagi ta kasiguro nga moderetso sila sa Hell kay who know's before ang soul ing leave sa ilang body nakapangayo pa gyud diay ug pasaylo sa Ginoo. Way imposible sa Ginoo. Hunahunaon nalang nato nga basin aning mga orasa tua si Mr. Reyes sa purgatory just like sa story ni St. John Vianney sa naghikog nga husband. Iampo nalang nato si Mr. Angelo Reyes permi nga maminus minusan unya iyang tuig nga ipurga siya sa purgatoryo. Ask the Blessed Virgin Mother and all your patron saints nga tabangan tag ampo nila para ni Mr. Reyes or ask like a child nga ug mahimo hatagan siya ug gamay nga relief didto.



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We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
Sagad raba siguro mas mauna pa unya ug abot ning grabeh ka makasasala sa langit kay nato nga sometimes we think we are holy. Kasagaran rabang downfall sa mga relihiyuso nga mga tawo ang kawala ug charity ug more pride. Mao ni secret weapon ni Taning nga ug dili ka makuha niya sa laing paagi gamiton ka niya nga imong hunahuna mas nakabawo ka kaysa tanan,nga dali ra nimo makita ang fault sa uban nga i judge nimo dayon sila.
Mo question ba ta sa Ginoo nga nasayod sa tanan. Example Ako,si Botoy ug si Padre magdungan ug kamatay. Unya moingon ang Ginoo  Hubag Bohol ikaw kay himajehon man ka dapat purgahon ka ug 15 ka tuig, Ikaw Dre ug Raquel purgahon mo dapat ug 25 ka tuig. Mangutana pa ba mi ni Padre sa Ginoo nganong taasa among tuig? Di naman siguro kay ang importante gihatagan pa mi ug chance nga mahilangit.
Siguro inig abot nato sa Langit mahingangha nalang unya ta nga ang mga badlungon diay sa kalibutan tua na nagngisi ngisi didto. Ang ako nalang siguro ika ingon is Glad you make it here.

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...nga birdyin pa gyod.

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mano na sampol si sir hubagbohol



timaan gid ba na badlungon gid siya?



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okay, i’ll get more serious now… (my laptop has been freed of viruses, finally.  whew!)

it goes without saying, this difference between love and murder.  besides, i wasn’t asking you if they’re different.  (even illiterates know their difference, come to think of it.)  my hypothetical question was more on whether those who fornicate (which is love for you) and die without the sacrament of reconciliation go to hell just as those who commit suicide without the sacrament of reconciliation go to hell as you have claimed, repeatedly.

but let me ask you WHERE IN MY POSTS DID I PRESUME THAT YOU HAD SEX WITH YOUR GIRLFRIEND?  (please read again reply # 62.)  let me repeat the question there: “does one abandon one's faith when he goes to bed with his girlfriend?  do you?”  where’s the presumption there?  asking a question is not presuming, by jove.  besides, the crux of the question is not so much about going to bed but the abandoning of one’s faith.  why, oh why, can you not tell this difference even as you try to reiterate the difference between love and murder?


and fornication is venial?


the point is, when one commits suicide, it is not for you to consign that suicide victim’s soul to the eternal fires of damnation.  to insist otherwise, as you have been doing so in your posts in this thread, is not to understand that our faith is basically a faith of salvation.  even if you transfer all the texts of the bible to tb, it would still not detract from the fact that IT IS NOT FOR YOU, FOR US, TO PRESUME THAT THE SOUL OF ANGELO REYES GOES TO HELL!
 

presuming is “taking for granted something as being true in the absence of proof to the contrary”; judging is “forming an opinion or estimation of something or someone after careful consideration”.  it looks like one negates the other.  contrary to your declaration, judging, therefore, is not a consequence of presuming.  whatever happened to your vocabulary?  in some other post, you directed me to read the catechism of the holy roman catholic church.  may I be so equally magnanimous as to direct you too to read the dictionary first so you can understand better such theological tracts?
    
well, a hypocrite, meanwhile, is “a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion”.  ahhh, between the two of us, i wonder who’s the pharisee who has consigned a suicide’s soul to eternal flames.



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 Ang title sa thread: "ANG MGA BITUKON, PURGAHON"

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what you are doing is telling and sharing biblical truth as you perceive it, without allowances for doubts as to your kind of understanding, much less discernment.  it is as if you have crowned yourself as the only true believer in this forum.  in fact, it is as if you alone can read the bible.  take note that I say “as if” because, whether you mean to or not, you strike me (and it looks like some others too) as taking the moral high ground too much.  we could be wrong, as you yourself could be. 


as sure as hell you are.  we are.  it goes without saying…



now, really...


that’s better.  i mean the prayer, which is much better than cold-blooded condemnation.  meantime, learn how to cross-reference your readings.


one can disagree with you without being at odds with biblical truth.  by way of a gentle reminder, you don’t necessarily have the monopoly of biblical truth, so be more discerning and humble in your sharing and reiteration.


it rhymes with piss.



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Gi example ra ka nako Dre ug si Botoy kay sa akong pamati di na siguro mo mohapit ug purgahan unya si Botoy pud basta magpabilin raman ning good Boy makadawat gyud ni ug himayang dayon. 
Di man siguro ang Ginoo mo condemn nato kita man siguro mismo sumaa sa akong nabasahan nga ug mamatay na ta unya ipakita na sa Ginoo atong binuhatan diri nga wa jud tay repentance ,atong kaugalingon man siguro ang mo voluntaryo ug asa ta dapit mopahiluna. Exciting baya pud ang kamatayon sa tinuod lang ug ready lang ta permi. Inig mamatay na daw ta unang motagbo nato si St. Michael siya daw modala nato ug asa tang lugara dapat ibutang.
Sa akong pagkamakasasala dako jud sigurong grasya nako nga ihapit ko sa purgatoryo. Ug mosugot pud ko ibutang sa purgatoryo basta lang ma sure nako nga mahilangit tang tanan. Ako gyud i special favors tong nag suicide nga maoy mauna ug kahilangit. What would it matter were I to remain in purgatory until judgment day if through my prayer I could save even one soul? How much less would it matter if my prayer is to the advantage of many and for the honor of the Lord.



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Bwahaha! Dili diay ex cathedra, ex latrina diay!

Hmm, mao tingali nga medyo shitty ang reasoning... 

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Bwahaha! Ti, ano gid man ang pinapalutaw mo sang pangkot mo haw? 

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here is from a Froum Catholic.net;

I read that even the ones who died denying the Lord have a last chance once they are dead during a short moment to repent and save themselves by going to purgatory. Only the ones stubborn and foolish enough to reject the Lord at that ultimate post-mortem moment go to hell. This comes from Maria Sima's interview about "the poor souls of purgatory"

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lol, dili pood, Fr. Roel.



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But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers,  those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

--Revelation 21:8



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 Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in Him.

--1 John 3:15




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That indeed is a good verse, especially to be used amongst brothers. The verse from Luke is totally different context because that verse was talking about the pharisees and the saducees, hypocritical holy men in the temples who pray with empty words. Jesus Christ message was to love one another, that was the basis of Luke. Jesus tells us that condemning is not for us, but for God alone.

The best example of that was when the jews were to condemn and stone Mary Magdelene for her crimes of adultery. Christ reminded them that none of them were born without sin.

However, in the case of Reyes, the reiteration of Revelations and the verse from John is important. My emphasis is the reiteration of said verses, not condemnation. One can only pray for the mercy of God's judgement. But His judgment is impeccable and just.

Revelation is literal. The verse from Revelation tells us whom GOD will not allow to enter into His Kingdom.

Let me give another biblical example:

Jesus was crucified with 2 criminals. One who, a thief, who was repentant and asked to Join the Lord in Paradise. His was an example of faith unshatterable and Trust in Jesus Christ's power.

The other, an unrepentant murderer. The latter did not join the Lord into Paradise.

Judas Iscariot, hung himself. His was a suicide. Guilt.

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Acts 1:15-26
15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty)
16 and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--
17 he was one of our number and shared in this ministry."
18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.
19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)
20 "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, May another take his place of leadership.'

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So hypocricy is always on somebody else... and so does condemnation?!! Never us, never you, never I. Wow naman...

So too our reading (or quotations) of Scripture truths (passages), they always adress somebody else but never self... aguy!!!

How about this passage  from John 3:17, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

Do you really think Angelo Reyes' taking of his own life (and others) can alter God's plan for the world and all her subjects? Do you really believe they are BIG enough to change the course of God's economic plan of salvation or would you retort again to Scripture passage where you will claim (again), "I'm only reiterating Revelation or what-have-you?" You mean you're a "Sola Scriptura-kinda guy? You better check your Catholicity!!! 






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