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The Pope can be sued?
« on: April 05, 2010, 03:02:16 PM »
Pope's immunity could be challenged in Britain

By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer Paisley Dodds, Associated Press Writer
Sun Apr 4, 11:27 am ET


LONDON – Protests are growing against Pope Benedict XVI's planned trip to Britain, where some lawyers question whether the Vatican's implicit statehood status should shield the pope from prosecution over sex crimes by pedophile priests.

More than 10,000 people have signed a petition on Downing Street's web site against the pope's 4-day visit to England and Scotland in September, which will cost U.K. taxpayers an estimated 15 million pounds ($22.5 million). The campaign has gained momentum as more Catholic sex abuse scandals have swept across Europe.

Although Benedict has not been accused of any crime, senior British lawyers are now examining whether the pope should have immunity as a head of state and whether he could be prosecuted under the principle of universal jurisdiction for an alleged systematic cover-up of sexual abuses by priests.

Universal jurisdiction — a concept in international law — allows judges to issue warrants for nearly any visitor accused of grievous crimes, no matter where they live. British judges have been more open to the concept than those in other countries.

Lawyers are divided over the immunity issue. Some argue that the Vatican isn't a true state, while others note the Vatican has national relations with about 170 countries, including Britain. The Vatican is also the only non-member to have permanent observer status at the U.N.

Then again, no other top religious leaders enjoy the same U.N. privileges or immunity, so why should the pope?


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Re: The Pope can be sued?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 05:53:50 PM »
Luoy sad si Pope Benedict mau'y nahasngan sa tanan.

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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 07:19:23 PM »
Presuming nga adunay jurisdiction ang UK, lisod man tingali pamatud-an kining giingon nga "systematic cover-up of sexual abuses by priests".

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Re: The Pope can be sued?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 12:00:29 AM »
unsa na man ni?  ikiha ba ang amahan kay nang-rape ang anak?  ikiha ba si tony blair kay nakapusil ug nakapatay ang british soldiers sa afghanistan, kosovo ug iraq?  o si george bush ba kaha?  some people just love to ride on the bandwagon.

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Re: The Pope can be sued?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 01:06:57 AM »
I trust the integrity of the Pope, and to hear this systematic cover-up about the sex-abuses of pedophiles among clergy is unheared here in Germany.


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Re: The Pope can be sued?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 01:24:45 AM »
I trust the integrity of the Pope, and to hear this systematic cover-up about the sex-abuses of pedophiles among clergy is unheared here in Germany.



alang alang nga imo man nang paisano Manay. But bisan na, ngano man tawon na sha i sue oi? wa man na sha mang rape ug mga bata.

ija man nang katungod nga tabunan kay para di magka gulijang  ang simbahan. kay ngano wa na taboni ning mga butanga ni Pope John Paul? nga sa una ra man na nanghitabo?

kaning Vatican powerful kaajo na nga city, di ka basta2x lang nga mo ukab sa imong baba ug pasangil, kay ligas-paka raba sad na sila.

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Re: The Pope can be sued?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 01:58:33 AM »
The catholics here are so upset, daghang nanggawas sa pagka miembro sa simbahang katoliko. This has a financial impact because our tithing are directly deducted from our salary, diretso sa simbahan ( morag withdrawal tax sa ato).
Naghatag  ug press release ang simbahan, nangayo ug pasaylo sa mga biktima, sa mga pari, ihatag ang kaso sa civil court aron matagaan ug hustisya ang mga nabiktima. Ug adunay i-release nga kwarta morag danyos perwisyos sama sa nahitabo sa LA and other archdiocesce diha sa USA.

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 03:18:25 AM »
The catholics here are so upset, daghang nanggawas sa pagka miembro sa simbahang katoliko. This has a financial impact because our tithing are directly deducted from our salary,
diretso sa simbahan ( morag withdrawal tax sa ato).
Naghatag  ug press release ang simbahan, nangayo ug pasaylo sa mga biktima, sa mga pari, ihatag ang kaso sa civil court aron matagaan ug hustisya ang mga nabiktima. Ug adunay i-release nga kwarta morag danyos perwisyos sama sa nahitabo sa LA and other archdiocesce diha sa USA.

Manay dli ba to w/holding tax tawag ana?  ::)

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Re: The Pope can be sued?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 03:22:04 AM »
nia napod ning issue ug tawhanong hokom aw este tawo man pod diay ko,

i mean, why kon ang nakasala si Herodes e apil man si Pedro? samay labortz ana.,
why c Pope ang tumong may man sya ang nagbuhat?
typisch bureaucratskie ki ki - kafaertz whops !

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 05:21:48 AM »
Manay dli ba to w/holding tax tawag ana?  ::)

Parehas ra ang resulta sa duha, Blue. Ang withholding tax, buhis para sa total abstention; ang withdrawal tax, buhis kon withdrawal ang contraceptive method nga gigamit. Ang tujo mao ang pag-encourage og higher birth rate, because Germany is a greying country. Bwahaha! Joke3. ;D

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 05:28:54 AM »
Parehas ra ang resulta sa duha, Blue. Ang withholding tax, buhis para sa total abstention; ang withdrawal tax, buhis kon withdrawal ang contraceptive method nga gigamit. Ang tujo mao ang pag-encourage og higher birth rate, because Germany is a greying country. Bwahaha! Joke3. ;D

aw mao pod tumpak japon Meister von Huboi..ky segi man sila withdraw para dli manganak ug daghan ky kasagaran career oriented man kono..mao na isip silot nila "w/drawal tax" tyahahaha
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 06:33:13 AM »
command responsibility, it's a chain reaction. the leader or head can be  blamed for failure to observe proper decorum and/ or  violations of certain law/ rule perpetrated by his members .... well, the bottom-line is give them the "ultimate freedom".. so as not to drag the church from further " sex related scandals"....  'let the priests marry". ;) (kay tawo ra lagi ta...) just my idea... why not?.. rather than wearing the cassock while deep inside both heart and mind, he knows that he committed the crime... paminjoon na laman kaysa mag tago-tago... ajaw lang gyod pang-abuso ug bata kay pwerteng daghana nimo'g kontra... phedophile common ni sa ubang kanasuran..... usahay sala man pod sa mga parishioner nga baje moingon man pod.." ka gwapo nimo padre uy, tangkad pa gyod.. sayang nganong nagpari man ka?" ... :D :D  ang pari pod kay laki gud na.. aw natural....  :D :D


pero...may punto pod si manay hofilena sa ijang comment/reply....  ;)

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 08:18:16 AM »
aw mao pod tumpak japon Meister von Huboi..ky segi man sila withdraw para dli manganak ug daghan ky kasagaran career oriented man kono..mao na isip silot nila "w/drawal tax" tyahahaha
peace Manay jaga² rah..!

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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 08:20:53 AM »
command responsibility, it's a chain reaction. the leader or head can be  blamed for failure to observe proper decorum and/ or  violations of certain law/ rule perpetrated by his members .... well, the bottom-line is give them the "ultimate freedom".. so as not to drag the church from further " sex related scandals"....  'let the priests marry". ;) (kay tawo ra lagi ta...) just my idea... why not?.. rather than wearing the cassock while deep inside both heart and mind, he knows that he committed the crime... paminjoon na laman kaysa mag tago-tago... ajaw lang gyod pang-abuso ug bata kay pwerteng daghana nimo'g kontra... phedophile common ni sa ubang kanasuran..... usahay sala man pod sa mga parishioner nga baje moingon man pod.." ka gwapo nimo padre uy, tangkad pa gyod.. sayang nganong nagpari man ka?" ... :D :D  ang pari pod kay laki gud na.. aw natural....   :D :D


pero...may punto pod si manay hofilena sa ijang comment/reply....  ;)

Mao ba diay, Bay Aq? He he, pero kon akoy pari, modagan ko, oi... ;D

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2010, 09:24:08 AM »
On this issue of "alleged systematic cover-up of sexual abuses by priests", dili ba mao man pud ni ang usa sa mga isyu kabahin adtong Fr. What's-his-name--kadto bitawng singing American priest sa Tagbilaran.


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Re: The Pope can be sued?
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2010, 02:54:59 PM »
Sori jud, kining withdrawal sipyat, sakto ka Day Bell withholding tax, salamat.
As what I have observed the sexual abuses started in the middle of ´70 till now, this is based on the victims coming out and telling their stories.
Some psychologist analyzed that this is the generation where free love and other liberal movements was put into view. Kining mga pari nga na-apil sa in-aning exposure, were more involved in such moral conflict.


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