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islander · « **on:** March 15, 2013, 02:19:43 PM »

China urges Vatican to drop Taiwan ties day after pope elected

By Ben Blanchard and Michael Martina
BEIJING | Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:55am EDT

(Reuters) - China hopes for improved ties with the Roman Catholic Church, it said on Thursday, a day after the election of the new pope, but it stressed the Vatican must take the initiative and end diplomatic relations with Taiwan.

China's 8-12 million Catholics are divided between the Communist Party-run Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, that has installed bishops without Vatican approval, and an underground church, whose members meet in private, wary of state control.

China severed diplomatic relations with the Vatican shortly after the Communists took power in 1949 and has since demanded that it cut ties with self-ruled Taiwan, which Beijing considers a breakaway province.

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islander · « **Reply #1 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:20:46 PM »

"We are sincere in wanting to improve relations," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told reporters, offering congratulations to Pope Francis.

But the Vatican "must stop interfering in China's internal affairs, including in the name of religion", Hua said, adding that the Holy See must end diplomatic recognition of Taiwan.

"We hope that the Catholic Church, under the leadership of the new pope, can work hard together with China and create beneficial conditions for improving relations," she said.

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islander · « **Reply #2 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:21:24 PM »

Taiwan, for its part, said it believed its religious, academic and cultural partnership with the Vatican would deepen under the new pope.

Hua's comments reasserted China's stance that the Vatican and Pope Francis of Argentina, elected on Wednesday as the first non-European pontiff in nearly 1,300 years, would have to make the first move.

Former Pope Benedict, the first pontiff in hundreds of years to step down, had encouraged reconciliation between the two sides of the divided Chinese church and engaged in a low-key dialogue with Beijing about political ties.

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islander · « **Reply #3 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:23:08 PM »

China's constitution enshrines freedom of religion, but stability-obsessed leaders in the officially atheist government are wary of the appeal of a higher moral power.

The Vatican has previously condemned what it called "external pressures and constrictions" on Chinese Catholics, and the government has detained Vatican-appointed bishops who split from the Catholic Patriotic Association.

Chinese Bishop Thaddeus Ma Daqin, ordained by the Vatican, has been held under house arrest at the Sheshan seminary in Shanghai since July after he announced that he was leaving the association.

The Vatican had refused to recognize China's ordination to the state-run Church of Reverend Joseph Yue Fusheng, complaining he had not been blessed by the pope.

Catholic activists say other bishops have gone missing or have to contend with house arrest and surveillance.

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islander · « **Reply #4 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:24:20 PM »

The association told Reuters it had no immediate reaction to the pope's election. Joseph Kung, president of the Cardinal Kung Foundation in the United States which advocates religious freedom for Catholics in China, said the new pope would likely be unable to mend fences.

"The Chinese government wants to do something contrary to the basic dogma of the church," he said by phone. "No pope can ever change it until the Chinese government wakes up."

Catholics prayed inside Beijing's sanctioned East Catholic Church on Thursday. Images of the pope were displayed on large screens lining the central isle under an ornate vaulted ceiling.

"It is normal that religion is not accepted in an atheist country, but we Christians believe in Jesus," said Chen Jingshuang, who works at a cigarette factory in Beijing.

"We worship God directly."

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islander · « **Reply #5 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:31:10 PM »

Hua's comments reasserted China's stance that the Vatican and Pope Francis of Argentina, elected on Wednesday as the first non-European pontiff in nearly 1,300 years, would have to make the first move.

wow, birada man dayon si ondoy, as in the friend of my enemy is my enemy. di ba diay mahimo nga di na lang manghilabot kinsay ubang amigo sa imong gustong amigohon? well, i heard international relations are very much like a children's playground. there will always be the bullies and the bullied.

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islander · « **Reply #6 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:50:44 PM »

an aside--

People Republic of China (PRC) is mainland China or Communist China or Red China

Republic of China (ROC) is Taiwan and regarded by the PROC only as a breakaway province

As of 2011, 22 UN member states and the Holy See officially recognize the Republic of China, as the PRC makes breaking ties with the ROC and recognizing the PRC as the sole legitimate government of China (including Taiwan) the prerequisite to establishing diplomatic relations with the PRC. (wikipedia)

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islander · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:05:53 PM »

the philippines ended its diplomatic relations with the ROC in 1975.

Earlier, in October 1971, Resolution 2758 was passed by the UN General Assembly... declaring that

"the representatives of the Government of the People's Republic of China (PRC)are the only lawful representatives of China to the United Nations" and thus do not regard the Republic of China (ROC) as legitimately representing the whole of China. (wikipedia)

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islander · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:15:14 PM »

Countries with diplomatic relations with the ROC

Africa (4 states)
Burkina Faso
Gambia
SÃ£o TomÃ© and PrÃncipe
Swaziland

Europe (1 state)
Vatican City (The Holy See)

Central and South America, and Caribbean Community (12 states)
Belize
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Guatemala
Haiti
Honduras
Nicaragua
Panama
Paraguay
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

Oceania (6 states)
Kiribati
Marshall Islands
Nauru
Palau
Solomon Islands
Tuvalu

wikipedia/

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islander · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:21:30 PM »

The Philippines recognize the One China Policy but has relations to the Republic of China through the Manila Economic and Cultural Office in Taipei and Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Manila. Both offices were established in 1975 and were organized as non-profit and non-stock private corporations.

The Republic of China has non-diplomatic, unofficial relations with the European Union and at least 47 states, recognizing the People's Republic of China, that maintain "Economic, Trade and/or Cultural" (or similar) offices in Taiwan. These relations are not inter-Governmental nor are they officially diplomatic or political. However, they ultimately do function as de facto 'embassies', including the processing of visas, cultural exchanges and to some extent, unofficial diplomatic and governmental exchanges.

wikipedia/

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islander · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:23:44 PM »

Like many embassies to the Holy See, the Republic of China's embassy is actually located in Rome, outside the borders of the Vatican and in a country with which the ROC has no official diplomatic recognition.

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islander · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:25:21 PM »

President Chen Shui-bian (far left) attended the funeral of Pope John Paul II, and as the Holy See's recognized head of state of China, was seated in the first row in French alphabetical order beside the first lady and president of Brazil.

Chen Shui-bian was Taiwanese president from 2000 to 2008.

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islander · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:42:11 PM »

and in that same funeral of pope john paul II, there's a cute one there, right behind george bush. know her?

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