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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2012, 02:05:09 AM »
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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2012, 02:16:03 AM »
aha!  islander here kj one again, baby.  unsaon, siaw man gyod ni si bai hubs...

"Skeleton of Giant" Is Internet Photo Hoax

James Owen
for National Geographic News
December 14, 2007

The National Geographic Society has not discovered ancient giant humans, despite rampant reports and pictures.

The hoax began with a doctored photo and later found a receptive online audience—thanks perhaps to the image's unintended religious connotations.



The photo fakery might be obvious to most people. But the tall tale refuses to lie down even five years later, if a continuing flow of emails to National Geographic News are any indication. (The National Geographic Society owns National Geographic News.)

The messages come from around the globe—Portugal, India, El Salvador, Malaysia, Africa, the Dominican Republic, Greece, Egypt, South Africa, Kenya. But they all ask the same question: Is it true?

Perpetuating the Myth

Helping to fuel the story's recent resurgence are a smattering of media outlets that have reported the find as fact.

An often cited March 2007 article in India's Hindu Voice monthly, for example, claimed that a National Geographic Society team, in collaboration with the Indian Army, had dug up a giant human skeleton in India.

"Recent exploration activity in the northern region of India uncovered a skeletal remains of a human of phenomenal size," the report read.

The story went on to say the discovery was made by a "National Geographic Team (India Division) with support from the Indian Army since the area comes under jurisdiction of the Army."

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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2012, 02:18:45 AM »
The account added that the team also found tablets with inscriptions that suggest the giant belonged to a race of superhumans that are mentioned in the Mahabharata, a Hindu epic poem from about 200 B.C.

"They were very tall, big and very powerful, such that they could put their arms around a tree trunk and uproot it," the report said, repeating claims that initially appeared in 2004.

Voice editor P. Deivamuthu admitted to National Geographic News that his publication was taken in by the fake reports.

The monthly, which is based in Mumbai (Bombay), published a retraction after readers alerted Deivamuthu to the hoax, he said.

"We are against spreading lies and canards," Deivamuthu added. "Moreover, our readers are a highly intellectual class and will not brook any nonsense."

Other blog entries—such as a May 2007 posting on a site called Srini's Weblog—cite a report supposedly published in the Times of India on April 22, 2004. But a search of that newspaper's archive revealed no such article.

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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2012, 02:23:38 AM »
Arabian Giant

Variations of the giant photo hoax include alleged discovery of a 60- to 80-foot long (18- to 24-meter) human skeleton in Saudi Arabia. In one popular take, which likewise first surfaced in 2004, an oil-exploration team is said to have made the find.

Here the skeleton is held up as evidence of giants mentioned in Islamic, rather than Hindu, scriptures.

The Debunkers

Web sites dedicated to debunking urban legends and "netlore" picked up on the various giant hoaxes soon after they first appeared.

California-based Snopes.com, for example, noted that the skeleton image had been lifted from Worth1000, which hosts photo-manipulation competitions.

Titled "Giants," the skeleton-and-shoveler picture had won third place in a 2002 contest called "Archaeological Anomalies 2."

The image's creator—an illustrator from Canada who goes by the screen name IronKite—told National Geographic News via email that he had had nothing to do with the subsequent hoax.

He added that he wants to remain anonymous because some forums that debated whether the giant was genuine or not "were turning their entire argument into a religious one." It was argued, for instance, that the Saudi Arabian find was entirely consistent with the teachings of the Koran.

"This was about the same time that death threats and cash bounties were being issued against cartoonists and other industry professionals for doing things like depicting the Prophet Mohammed," IronKite wrote.

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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 02:26:08 AM »
How the Image Was Made

IronKite started with an aerial photo of a mastodon excavation in Hyde Park, New York, in 2000. He then digitally superimposed a human skeleton over the beast's remains.

The later addition of a digging man presented the biggest technical challenge.

"If you look, he's holding a yellow-handled shovel, but there's nothing on the end," IronKite said.

"Originally, the spade end was there. But [it] looked like it was occupying the exact same space as the skeleton's temple, making the whole thing look fake.

"Now it looks like he's just holding a stick, and people don't notice. It's funny."

IronKite also altered the color of the man's clothing to create a "uniform tie-in" with the white-shirted observer peering down from the wooden platform.

The two figures work to exaggerate the scale of the skeleton, he added.

IronKite said he's tickled that the picture—which took only about an hour and a half to create—has generated so much Internet attention.

"I laugh myself silly when some guy claims to know someone who was there, or even goes so far as to claim that he or she was there when they found the skeleton and took the picture," IronKite said.

"Sometimes people seem so desperate to believe in something that they lie to themselves, or exaggerate in order to make their own argument stronger."

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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2012, 02:29:03 AM »
Wanting to Believe

David Mikkelson of Snopes.com said such hoaxes succeed when they seem to confirm something people are already inclined to believe, such as a prejudice, political viewpoint, or religious belief.

A hoax also needs to be presented "in a framework that has the appearance of credibility," he said in an email.

The "ancient giant" has both elements, according to Mikkelson.

"It appeals to both a religious and a secular vision of the world as different and more fantastic than mere science would lead us to believe," he said.

"Proof," Mikkelson added, "comes in the form of a fairly convincing image."

For anyone who may have knowingly propagated the myth, Mikkelson added, the motivation "probably wasn't any different than the motivation for engaging in a game of ringing someone's doorbell and running away—because it's an easy way to have a laugh at someone else's expense."

Alex Boese, "curator" of the virtual Museum of Hoaxes, said fake giants have a long history going back to the at least the 1700s.

The recent hoax is reminiscent of the once famous Cardiff Giant myth, involving a ten-foot-tall (three-meter) stone figure dug up in 1869 in Cardiff, New York, Boese said.

Many people believed the figure was a petrified man and claimed he was one of the giants mentioned in the Bible's Book of Genesis: "There were giants in the Earth in those days."

Likewise, Boese said, the recent giant hoax "taps into people's desire for mystery and their desire to see concrete confirmation of religious legends."

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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2012, 02:34:17 AM »
"I laugh myself silly when some guy claims to know someone who was there, or even goes so far as to claim that he or she was there when they found the skeleton and took the picture," IronKite said.

"Sometimes people seem so desperate to believe in something that they lie to themselves, or exaggerate in order to make their own argument stronger."

ugh.  right on the head of the nail... i promise not to lie to myself anymore, ever again.  :-[

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2012, 02:35:27 AM »
sukad karon, ako na lang ang higante... nga size 5 ang tiil. ;D

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2012, 09:49:38 AM »
...than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

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Re: There were giants in those days...
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2012, 09:51:55 AM »
Bitaw, this is how it is...


from The Physics of Giants and Dwarves: What we know about the existence and viability of drastically scaled creatures
By Julian G. Franco

Now let us see what happens when we expand our human to gigantic dimensions. If we augment the linear dimensions 10 times (i.e., our human giant’s height, fingers, nose and so on are ten times longer), the surface area of her skin will be 100 times larger and her bones 100 times thicker. Her volume will be 1,000 times larger, so that she will be supporting and moving around 1,000 times more weight than the original human.

Imagine that your neighbor Mary, who weighs 70 kg (154 lb), suddenly and magically becomes 10 times taller. Now you have 1,000 Mary's, her weight being now 70 tons!  And you thought she was overweight before. That presents us with an insoluble situation. Her weight has increased 1,000 times, but her strength has increased only 100 times, as given by the corresponding increase in bone thickness. Therefore, if she could exist, she would feel like she was carrying nine extra people on top of her! If we were actually able to construct this giant human of flesh and bone with the exact same biology as ours, she wouldn’t survive, just on the basis of strength, her bones breaking, the doomed giant crushing under her own weight.

Evolutionarily speaking, this is one, among other drastic limitations, that prevent humans as a species, from growing much larger than its present overall size–short of changing their water/carbon-based biology, its shape, or both. Furthermore, since we all have a common origin and share the same biology, we can also study other animals that are closely related to each other and see what happens as size goes up and down. All mammals, for instance, are made pretty much of the same kind of flesh and bone and share many anatomical features.

Galileo was the first one to do exactly this. He compared the leg bones of a gazelle and a bison, both mammals of the deer family.  He noticed that the bison’s leg bones were disproportionally thickened, as compared to the equivalent gazelle's bones. The bison cannot grow to be so heavy and at the same time keep the graceful figure of the gazelle. A  glaring example of this needed disproportion is the stocky legs of an elephant.

Please note that it is not that human-like giants couldn’t exist, in principle, and up to a certain extent. It is simply that they would be completely different than the known human; i.e., same shape and proportions as ours, but bones of a superstrong, non-biological material; or same biology, but with a drastic change in proportions, becoming squatter and broader as the size increases.  James Trefil, a noted American physicist and author, has pointed out for the sake of argument, that if we want to design a gravitationally viable, flesh, bone, and blood human giant, five times as tall as we are, it would weigh roughly twice as much as an elephant (12 tons), and look more like a Sherman tank than a person, 9-ft tall, 8-ft from front to back, and 16-ft wide!

More at: http://knol.google.com/k/the-physics-of-giants-and-dwarves#


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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2012, 02:45:36 PM »
very, very interesting!  i had to read this over and over.  thanks, hubs.

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2012, 02:55:51 PM »
He he, way lingaw, ay... ;D

mao ni akong lingaw uy.  read and dokdok tb because i hate going out.  makapunit na pod unya kog giant helpless or dying kitten, wa na koy lugar para nila intawon.  ingon na ra ba si banana republic nga mora na kuno kog nawong ug iring, bungot na lang ug ikog ang kuwang.  :(

OT: kun nia pa sa pinas si fr chic, lorenz, raqz, bugs ug hubs, magluhod-luhod gyod ko nga mo-adopt silag iring.  birthday gifts from me.

puwede tuod ka mo-adopt, tigs?  i'm good at homing... kompletohan ta ka, from cat litter box, carrier, to vaccinations and neutering.  naay conditions, like they should be indoor pets.  say mo, single for christ?  (giant cats i have none, rest assured.)   

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2012, 04:14:36 PM »
very, very interesting!  i had to read this over and over.  thanks, hubs.


You're welcome, Ms. Isle. A lot of animals are turned off by scientific topics, some species excluded... ;D

 

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2012, 04:22:35 PM »
mao ni akong lingaw uy.  read and dokdok tb because i hate going out.  makapunit na pod unya kog giant helpless or dying kitten, wa na koy lugar para nila intawon.  ingon na ra ba si banana republic nga mora na kuno kog nawong ug iring, bungot na lang ug ikog ang kuwang.  :(

Hmm, naa ra bay bungoton diri, ambot lang kaha kon ikogan ba (front and/or back, that is...) ;D



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