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The Walking Dead Live in Indonesia
« on: September 29, 2012, 05:12:25 PM »
Walking Corpse Ritual in Tanah Toraja! (Indonesia)



If you are a fan of the hit TV series The Walking Dead, then I’ve got news for you.

There is a place in Indonesia where certain people can make the dead walk again. The village of Toraja has a bizarre ritual in which the dead are supposedly resurrected as zombies.



It is said that the cave in the village  Sillanang since 1905 has been found in human bodies intact, do not decay until now. Uniquely bodies are not embalmed like the Ancient Egyptians was not even given any potions.

In times past, when the villages of Tana Toraja were still extremely isolated and difficult to visit, it is said that certain people had the power to make a dead man walk to his village in order to be present at his own funeral. In this way, relatives of the deceased were spared the necessity of having to carry his corpse. One particular area, Mamasa ? West Toraja, was particularly well-known for this practice. The people of this area are not strictly speaking of the same ethnic group as the people of Tana Toraja. However, outsiders often refer to them as Toraja Mamasa. In many ways, the cultures of the two groups are similar, although they each have their own distingushing characteristics. In particular, the style of wood carving of the two groups is different.

According to the belief system of the people of Mamasa, the spirit of a dead person must return to his village of origin. It is essential that he meet with his relatives, so that they can guide him on his journey into the after-life after the ceremonies have been completed. In the past, people of this area were frightened to journey far, in case they died while they were away and were unable to return to their village. If someone died while on a journey, and unless he has a strong magic power, it would be necessary to procure the services of an expert, to guide the dead person back to the village.


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Re: The Walking Dead Live in Indonesia
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2012, 09:34:47 PM »
Hmm, kuoton man kaayo ning estoryaha...

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« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2012, 09:37:42 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2012, 09:46:03 PM »
Storya tag tinood b..heeheh :D :D

He he, kanang estorya nga naay unod, as in lamorok? ;D

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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 09:48:02 PM »
He he, kanang estorya nga naay unod, as in lamorok? ;D

kana bai murag nindot na.. :D

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2012, 09:48:08 PM »
Storya tag tinood b..heeheh :D :D

bangkahi dayon.... ikaw una..

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« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2012, 10:32:01 PM »
Ayaw lang palabiig borit kay reserved na nga abilidara... ;D

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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2012, 10:33:58 PM »
He he, kanang estorya nga naay unod, as in lamorok? ;D

sabaw-sabaw lang diay, di pwede?... ;D

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2012, 11:00:57 PM »
sabaw-sabaw lang diay, di pwede?... ;D

Aw, pwede baya, peligro lang sa panuhot...

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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 03:27:10 AM »
kini murag di ni tinuod nga ang patay gihimong buhi bueno ang buhi himoong patay pwede mahimo na basta pasado pagka-artista.

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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 11:00:49 AM »
hinoon, bisan unsa nga wa sa atong experience, wa sa atong namat-an nga pagtuo (sama sa atong religion), ug di ma-explain sa science, lisod gyod tuod tuhoan. 

but let's try to set these aside for awhile, as in considering what happened to galileo when these three (experience, religion and science) sort of mixed unfavorably for him and how he was proven right centuries later.

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 11:08:00 AM »
so what is a zombie?  (the similarity to my personal text is purely coincidental.)  good old wikipedia says that in haitian culture, a zombie is an animated corpse resurrected back to life by mystical means, such as witchcraft. 

to the west and the rest of the (modern) world, zombies are "...fictional undead creatures regularly encountered in horror and fantasy themed works. They are typically depicted as mindless, reanimated corpses with a hunger for human flesh, and particularly for human brains in some depictions". (wikipedia)

also from wikipedia: "Although they share their name and some superficial similarities with the zombie from Haitian Vodun, their links to such folklore are unclear and many consider George A. Romero's seminal film The Night of the Living Dead to be the progenitor of these creatures."

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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 11:20:13 AM »
now look at this picture below.  can one really categorically say that the woman is alive?  or dead?



unless the whole thing is a set-up and the make-up artist for the subject woman is a professional, or the picture went through photoshop, we'll be hard put to answer one way or the other.

please go through the following accompanying blog of this picture, in the next post.

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Re: The Walking Dead Live in Indonesia
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 11:21:43 AM »
Real Life Zombies: The Walking Dead of Toraja

March 15, 2012
by breakinbadd

“Real zombies? no way..”

That is exactly what I said when I first was introduced to the walking dead people of Toraja, Indonesia.

Certain Villagers in Toraja have the ability to raise the dead with a specific ritual that they use during the funeral process. I know this sounds crazy, but it has been a part of their culture for thousands of years.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 11:34:42 AM »
After seeing this picture of a “walking dead person,” I asked myself multiple questions:

    Is this lady really dead?
    Is this lady just terminally ill and about to die?
    Is this lady 100+ years old?
    What makes these villagers want to raise a dead person?
    How did this “walking dead” concept evolve?

So I did some research, and I was able to answer a couple of these questions.

To start, we will never know if this lady is dead in this picture or not. The only way to better understand this is to use common sense and think scientifically. Simply put, a person cannot function anymore when all of the organs of the body stop working. A dead person's heart is stopped which means there is no blood pumping through the body, and no blood getting to the brain.

So if she is really standing up, walking on her own, and she really has risen from the dead, the only possible conclusion is some kind of freaky ritual that actually works.

My first answer to this picture was that she was very ill or very old, but who am I to say that? This ritual has been going on forever in their culture.



During my research, I found some interesting information about the origins of this strange behavior. There seems to be two separate theories on how the walking dead came to be.

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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 11:37:16 AM »
Funeral Rituals of Toraja

According to one, in the ancient past, it was believed that a dead man must be buried in the village that he was born in, and not at the place of his death. Since villages then were far apart, it was difficult for family members to carry the corpse from one village to another. Certain people would do rituals that made the dead man walk, and the dead man would be able to walk back to the village where he was born.

Imagine walking to the grocery store, and seeing a dead person making his way back to his place of origin?

Supposedly if they were interrupted or approached, they would just collapse. Pretty creepy.



The second theory about the Toraja zombies is just as scary.

The villagers believe death is a long process, and that it takes many years for the deceased to work their way through it, finally reaching afterlife. So long and costly arrangements need to be made for the funeral, allowing the dead to make the transition the right way. A problem arises when a family cannot afford all of the arrangements. So what they do is  make use of a temporary coffin, until they gather enough money and collect all of the funds. Once the permanent coffin has been made ready, the dead are actually raised and made to walk into it.

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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2012, 11:40:02 AM »
Today, there are roads and cars in Toraja and raising the dead is no longer needed to transport the body. Sometimes the villagers like to prove that they still know how to raise the dead so they use their rituals on dead animals.

Take one more look at the picture. Doesn’t it look like the “dead lady” is looking at something in the bottom right corner?

Maybe she is walking towards her coffin.

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2012, 06:24:52 PM »
Here's a more rational account from http://www.dailymail.co.uk/:


I wouldn't be seen dead in that! Mummies dug up for a change of wardrobe
By Leon Watson
PUBLISHED: 15:58 GMT, 24 August 2012 | UPDATED: 16:21 GMT, 24 August 2012


If these mummies weren't already dead, they'd be dressed to kill.

That's because they've been dug up as part of a bizarre local ritual in a village in Indonesia that involves giving decomposed corpses a new look.

Family members of the deceased exhuming their ancestors' bodies and change their clothes as a way of remembering them. They then walk the dead around the village, almost like zombies.



A family member touches the preserved body of his relative during a traditional ritual called Ma'nene in Tana Toraja, Sulawesi island, Indonesia




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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2012, 06:27:48 PM »
The ritual, called Ma'nene, happens every three years to honour the villagers' love for the deceased. It is carried out in the Toraja district of Indonesia's South Sulawesi Province.

Locals believe dead family members are still with them, even if they died hundreds of years ago, a family spokesman said.



Dressing down: Family members carry a coffin containing the preserved body of their relative after putting a new set of clothing on it

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2012, 06:30:55 PM »


Lively tie: This family remember their loved one by digging up his grave every three years




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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 06:32:23 PM »


The ritual is held once every few years when family members gather to clean the graves and change the clothes of their deceased relatives to honor their spirits

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 06:32:24 PM »
Salamat Ma'am Isles kay gi expound gyud nimo ni nga article... ^____^

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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2012, 06:33:19 PM »


Villagers bind cloth rolls containing bodies in front of a stone grave called Liang

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2012, 06:34:12 PM »


Glad rags: Locals believe dead family members are still with them, even if they died hundreds of years ago


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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2012, 06:36:00 PM »


An elderly woman stands in front of the graves where her family members are buried

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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2012, 06:38:17 PM »


Coffins containing mummies are seen in a grave house called Patane during the ritual


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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2012, 06:39:22 PM »

Glad rags: Locals believe dead family members are still with them, even if they died hundreds of years ago

hala makatulog ba kaha ani si Lolla, nga siya ra raba isa sa iyang kwatro..:D ;D

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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2012, 06:42:32 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2012, 06:46:04 PM »
hala makatulog ba kaha ani si Lolla, nga siya ra raba isa sa iyang kwatro..:D ;D


naa man intawn iring magdulog nako... anyway, dili kaayo ko mahadlok kung ingon ani... lahi akong kahadlukan... Si Sir Hubs kahibaw unsa akong kahadlokan... hehehe

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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2012, 06:49:06 PM »

naa man intawn iring magdulog nako... anyway, dili kaayo ko mahadlok kung ingon ani... lahi akong kahadlukan... Si Sir Hubs kahibaw unsa akong kahadlokan... hehehe

ah bitaw nuh patay naman pod na dle ka angayng mahadlok la pero kung tawong buhi modulog nmu?

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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2012, 06:50:07 PM »
ah bitaw nuh patay naman pod na dle ka angayng mahadlok la pero kung tawong buhi modulog nmu?


kana di gyud ko katulog ana.. saon man.. sige lang panguhit ng buhi... syalan ba... hahahahah

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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2012, 06:51:19 PM »

kana di gyud ko katulog ana.. saon man.. sige lang panguhit ng buhi... syalan ba... hahahahah

weeeee,..magsigeg pamukaw nuh..?

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2012, 06:52:36 PM »
Salamat Ma'am Isles kay gi expound gyud nimo ni nga article... ^____^

most welcome, loll.  na-shoot down ni his excellency ambassador hubag tong article nga akong gi-post.  sa akong banabana, mas katuhoan ang iyaha kay mas recent.  gihimo lang sa uban nga zombies pero mummies ra diay.

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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2012, 06:53:23 PM »
weeeee,..magsigeg pamukaw nuh..?

mo leeenngg... ingon ana siguro ka sa imong asawa noh!?

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« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2012, 06:55:54 PM »

naa man intawn iring magdulog nako... anyway, dili kaayo ko mahadlok kung ingon ani... lahi akong kahadlukan... Si Sir Hubs kahibaw unsa akong kahadlokan... hehehe

morag nakabasa pod ko ato... mahadlok kag tuko, right?  ayaw kahadlok ni pikoy.  sure ko di na siya nawong ug tuko. ;D

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« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2012, 11:22:27 PM »
morag nakabasa pod ko ato... mahadlok kag tuko, right?  ayaw kahadlok ni pikoy.  sure ko di na siya nawong ug tuko. ;D

blema kon ang pikoy mura'g tuko... ;D

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« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2012, 03:07:20 PM »
blema kon ang pikoy mura'g tuko... ;D

Aw, di lang gud tan-awon... ;D

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« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2012, 03:10:22 PM »
Aw, di lang gud tan-awon... ;D


labaw ng dili lang pod hikapon Sir Hubs no? bwahahahha

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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2012, 03:18:15 PM »

labaw ng dili lang pod hikapon Sir Hubs no? bwahahahha

Sa ato pa, pasagdahan lang kon asa mouliot? ;D

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