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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2009, 01:20:45 pm »
this is a surprisingly new "theory" which can shed more light to this issue, i think

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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2009, 08:31:30 am »
that is what i am afraid gali kay until now, naa pa gihapoy moangkon nga T'saday pod sila nga tinuod.

The drift was that it was proliferated by some prominent people daw in Bohol to advance a school's new department daw. And the documentor pa is Jess Tirol, so its kind of suspicious to me personally.

I hope this is not offending the sensibilities of our friends but i would have wanted to pursue a study, most public officials ere however do not put the Eskaya as a priority.     

so, they are blaming UB for this so-called hoax? this is my first time to hear that this is all hoax.

on the T'saday issue, i think its settled already that Marcos and company used them to portray the late strongman as someone who cares for our country's culture and heritage. also, it was a good publicity as a great discovery at that time.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2009, 08:35:57 am »
The Tasadays were hoax of Manda Elizalde, PANAMIN Secretary during the Marco's era.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2009, 08:45:44 am »
ANd there are "tribe members" who would still perpetuate the belief nga sila true minority group.

Sadly, halos parehas sa Eskaya.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2009, 10:15:25 am »
puro na man ni hinoon hoax..hahahah

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« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2009, 10:55:56 am »
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« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2009, 11:26:52 am »
by the way, why would they blame jes for the hoax when he was open about the eskaya's theory as being "deniable"?

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2009, 08:59:50 pm »
Changes are inevitable, it happened all the cultures in the World. Extinction too, ew need to face it. What left is a memory of our past.

Lets make our mistakes from the past, a guiding principle of the future.

All this cultures  existed, but been banished. Even our languages and dialects.




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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2009, 09:07:26 pm »
hoax is not about changes...it's tampering the truth. asa may tinood ani.

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« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2009, 09:34:52 pm »
Kay Manda Elizalde, sulti pa sa akong amigo si Rajah Carlito Buntas. Iyang gigamit ang mga Manobo ug Mandaya guihimong Tsadays. Tinood tong mga Tribu sa Bukidnon, usa ka grupo nga nagtago sa usa ka lugar. Nakaplagan to sila tungod sa pangita sa Gold bars ug Federal notes. didto kono na crash ang eroplano sa American Army. kining mga native dihay mga Federal Notes.

Nakautok si Manda guihimong Tsaday, unya guilitratohan na published sa National Geographic. Hangtod nakakuha sila nga grand sa mga Foundation.

nahimong panapi sab.

World War II kahadlokan ni si Anoy Datahan, tungod sa Anting-anting. Kining Eskaya, existing sab ni pero na convert sa PBMA ug nahimong Rizalian guikan sa Mindanao.

During sa the 70's gui lead ni Commander Asir. Pero guidakop sa mga Army. Unya na wala na to. Very secretive ni sila tungod sa PBMA. Magporong ni sila ug pula sa una may dalang sundang.

They are not actually hoax, morag ang mga researcher usahay ilang lang pun-an dugangan ang storya to make it more interesting.

Moadto ka sa Nayong Pilipino naa didto ang office ng PANAMIN tua nga picture daghan ni Manda Elizalde kuha sa Bukidnon.

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« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2009, 10:35:28 pm »
very interesting, raldam. i wonder if someone got jailed for making up this stuff...

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« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2009, 09:19:37 pm »
These are tidbits of what I know about the Eskayas. Mariano Sumatra of Loon town went with a priest to Manila (to study perhaps) and surfaced in Mindanao as a pro-Katipunan organizer. He went back to Bohol and settled in Biabas, Guindulman where he started a community that used its own alphabet, signs and languages reportedly to continue his advocacy and evade suspecting authorities. He introduced a communal system of agriculture with him providing the inputs and the farmers giving back to him a portion of their harvest, thus he became a "datahan", someone to whom one makes a "data", or installment payment. While the Eskayas could be considered as a tribe, this may be as far only as their unique social, economic and learning systems. If we consider race, they do not belong to one other than ours. While in Biabas, Anoy frequently visited his hometown and even convinced some of his friends and relatives to join him in Biabas.  This may explain why surnames that are common in Loon are carried by some households in Guindulman and in Duero, where another Eskaya community was established.  The many Datahans and Sumatras in Bohol are, therefore, blood relatives.               

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« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2009, 05:44:35 am »
A classmate of mine in high is a member of Escaya has his own languages called TIMORI or BINALI. By changing B=T , I=I , N=M, A=O, L=R, I=I .

Whenever they have conversation they talk that way. Then one time I told them I understand them. They were surprise. So you're just faking the languages,  they laugh at me.




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« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2009, 10:16:25 pm »
A classmate of mine in high is a member of Escaya has his own languages called TIMORI or BINALI. By changing B=T , I=I , N=M, A=O, L=R, I=I .

Whenever they have conversation they talk that way. Then one time I told them I understand them. They were surprise. So you're just faking the languages,  they laugh at me.




is timori escayan? daghan man makamao ani sa Carmen ug Sierra Bullones kono. daghan kaliwat escaya tingali pod didto. hehehehe

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« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2009, 10:30:39 pm »
I remeber a story about Manda Elizalde with his pet Tasadays kuno which were housed inside his compound in Forbes Park. Neighbors were complaining with the stink odor coming from Manda's residence. He was even threatened to be evicted by the Home Owners Association should he not get rid of all his pets. Did you know how Manda evade the trouble? He bought all the nearby houses of the complainants. He certainly can afford to buy all those nearby houses with his millions of fund granted by several International Foundations to PANAMIN.

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« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2009, 10:45:09 pm »
is timori escayan? daghan man makamao ani sa Carmen ug Sierra Bullones kono. daghan kaliwat escaya tingali pod didto. hehehehe

`oo glacier Kaliwat na sila ug mga Eskaya.

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« Reply #56 on: March 04, 2009, 12:17:57 am »
`oo glacier Kaliwat na sila ug mga Eskaya.

you mean Escaya ang origin aning TIMORI?

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« Reply #57 on: March 04, 2009, 03:40:02 am »
you mean Escaya ang origin aning TIMORI?

Pure nga Binisaya pan lang ilang guibali-bali ang mga letra aron dili sila ma sabtan. Ug kuan pa coded ang mga letra.

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« Reply #58 on: March 04, 2009, 06:55:19 am »
Pure nga Binisaya pan lang ilang guibali-bali ang mga letra aron dili sila ma sabtan. Ug kuan pa coded ang mga letra.

i know and hear about Timori, rald. pero, ako pasabot, ang Escaya maoy nag-una ani?

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« Reply #59 on: March 04, 2009, 09:00:53 am »
That is my belief kay, ilang mga ka guikan sa Eskaya man, although they are already part of the mainstream but they spoke the TIMORI(BINALI).

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« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2009, 09:53:59 am »
That is my belief kay, ilang mga ka guikan sa Eskaya man, although they are already part of the mainstream but they spoke the TIMORI(BINALI).

ok. thanks. this is quite new to me that the TIMORI way of speaking originates from the escaya tribe.

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« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2009, 07:23:24 am »
I have never heard the theory that there is a connection between Timori and Eskayan! This is something that I should test since my dissertation is on the Eskayan language.
So, anybody reading this thread - please help! I would like to chart this on a map of Bohol.

To any Boholano reading this, please tell me:
1. What is your birthplace?
2. Did you ever use Timori growing up?

Just reply to this message! When I finish the Timori map I will send out the link!

(PS. I have much to say about Eskaya and the hoax claims which I think could answer most people's questions. But for now, I'm too interested in Timori to comment here)

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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2009, 09:57:38 am »
I have never heard the theory that there is a connection between Timori and Eskayan! This is something that I should test since my dissertation is on the Eskayan language.
So, anybody reading this thread - please help! I would like to chart this on a map of Bohol.

To any Boholano reading this, please tell me:
1. What is your birthplace?
2. Did you ever use Timori growing up?

Just reply to this message! When I finish the Timori map I will send out the link!

(PS. I have much to say about Eskaya and the hoax claims which I think could answer most people's questions. But for now, I'm too interested in Timori to comment here)

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I am from Cortes, in Bohol. I used to hear my uncles, at least two of them, communicate in TIMORI. My mother also knows it, i just dont know if she could still speak it right now.

I used to know about a sandbar in Talibon, i think it's Mahaba Island now, which was christened by an NGO group as Tirot. It should sound editable in the Cebuano. Hmm



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« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2009, 12:22:52 pm »
a lot of Carmenanons are skilled in Timori. naa pa ganiy uban nga ang Timori, ila pa gyong i-twist--balihon ang TIMORI word pagkasulti. maglibog na lagi ka. hehehehe. i know some of my friends spoke that way occassionally. too bad, i never tried to learn it.

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« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2009, 03:42:36 pm »
I am from Cortes, in Bohol. I used to hear my uncles, at least two of them, communicate in TIMORI. My mother also knows it, i just dont know if she could still speak it right now.

I used to know about a sandbar in Talibon, i think it's Mahaba Island now, which was christened by an NGO group as Tirot. It should sound editable in the Cebuano. Hmm


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Bai if the group is called Tirol its mean b**** in Timori.

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« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2009, 03:46:39 pm »
I have never heard the theory that there is a connection between Timori and Eskayan! This is something that I should test since my dissertation is on the Eskayan language.
So, anybody reading this thread - please help! I would like to chart this on a map of Bohol.

To any Boholano reading this, please tell me:
1. What is your birthplace?
2. Did you ever use Timori growing up?

Just reply to this message! When I finish the Timori map I will send out the link!

(PS. I have much to say about Eskaya and the hoax claims which I think could answer most people's questions. But for now, I'm too interested in Timori to comment here)

Piers Kelly
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My classmates are from Sudlon, Guindulman, Bohol. there family is Busilac. Its near Biasbas, Guindulman.

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« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2009, 03:54:53 pm »
Cultural communities must be integrated to the mainstream society to avoid perpetual isolation which caused their stagnation and poverty.  Xenophobic people tend to fear, that such integration would cause the fading of their culture when apparently it doesnt.

Cultural heritage must likewise be equally protected not by old school "protectionist" means but by process of cultural participation and exchange.  The best way to protect them is not by means of isolating them, depriving them of technology, education and other basic services.  It is by recognizing them as part of our community, with very distinct cultural characteristics.

There are a lot of cultural communities which have been "modernized" in their way of living but still retained their cultural identity. Best examples of which are the Jews.
An important note, I have taught in Ateneo de Davao, and I had Bagobo, Maranao students.  They have still maintained their cultural identity despite modernization.

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« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2009, 04:02:13 pm »
Regina Estorba, a faculty member of the CAS Department of HNU conducted an ethnographic study of the Eskaya Tribes which was entitled" Scribbling the Voice of the Tende".  A tende is term for an Eskayan woman.  You can access this research at KINA-ADMAN research publication of HNU.
Reg is currently finishing her Masters degree in Gender Studies at  ISS Netherlands.

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« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2009, 04:18:00 pm »
"If you can't convince them, confuse them."

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« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2009, 04:19:13 pm »


SELECTED SUBSET OF ESCAYA SYMBOLS

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« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2009, 04:20:23 pm »
yes, she is married to Ryan Macalandag. you know reg?

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« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2009, 04:22:05 pm »
"If you can't convince them, confuse them."

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« Reply #73 on: March 05, 2009, 04:26:28 pm »
Eskaya Books
What the Eskaya consider to be an official record of their civilization is contained in a few books (notebooks) which include Unang Katawhan sa Bohol (First People of Bohol) also known as Pinay, Rangman (encyclopedia), Simplet (dictionary), Abadeha (Origin of the Alphabet), Cuadra (Mechanics of the Alphabet), Atekesis (Botanical Knowledge), Daylinda (Romantic story of one chief), and Aritmetica (Arithmetic). The books are not dated so they could be anywhere from a few decades to a few centuries old. The Eskaya claim an ancient date for the books but the publishing date has not been verified. Suffice to say, everything we discuss has the attribute of “deniability.”

In view of the tremendous amount of fantastic information that can be gleaned from these Eskaya “books,” we have to limit ourselves mostly to the subject of the Eskaya script and their number system so we can have a mangeable topic. We will also discuss briefly how the Eskaya purportedly got into Bohol.

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #74 on: March 05, 2009, 04:32:12 pm »
ate,

wala ko kahibaw, eskaya man diay ka..

hehehhe.. wala pa ka mo work?

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2009, 05:04:51 pm »

The Eskaya, less commonly known as the Visayan-Eskaya, is the collective name for the members of a cultural minority found in Bohol, Philippines. The Eskaya community is distinguished by its cultural heritage, particularly its literature and language, although many of its earlier traditional practices are no longer strictly observed.[1] Reports indicate that Eskaya linguistic and cultural education has been in steady decline since the mid-1980s.

Most members of the Eskaya community inhabit a mountainous area that intersects the municipalities of Duero, Guindulman, Pilar and Sierra Bullones in the once-forested region of Bohol’s southeast interior. The original Eskaya settlement of Biabas (Guindulman), was established in the early 20th century by Mariano Datahan who died in 1949.[5] In 1951, the second township of Taytay (municipality of Duero) was founded by Fabian Baja in accordance with Datahan’s directions.[6] Significant Eskaya populations are now also found in the nearby townships of Canta-ub, Lundag, Tambongan, Cadapdapan and Fatimah. In 1996, the Eskaya community was awarded a certificate of Ancestral Domain Claim by President Fidel Ramos.[7] An official census of the Eskaya population has not yet been made. One report estimates that in 1991 there were 130 Eskaya families living in Bohol.

The teaching of Eskayan in the volunteer schools is one of the few remaining cultural practices of the Eskaya community.

Formerly, Eskaya men would wear shirts made of piña raffia with a Chinese-style collar, black breeches and cotton berets. Women wore piña dresses with bulging sleeves similar to the Spanish-influenced Boholano style (mostly in Biabas) and covered their hair with cotton habits (mostly in Taytay).[16] Traditionally, women were not permitted to cut their hair short nor wear trousers, and drinking and dancing were universally prohibited. For the most part these customs have been discontinued, however traditional dress is sometimes worn on Sundays and special occasions.

At weddings the parents of the bride offer the couple a glass of water and a comb. The comb is dipped in the water and run through the hair of both bride and groom. Rice is then showered on the couple, connoting plenty.  Until recently, the Eskaya practised a form of communal farming in which a portion of land was tilled for the benefit of the whole community.

Although the Eskaya had been known to people living in the vicinity of Bohol’s southeast highlands prior to World War II, it was only in the early 1980s that they came to wider public attention when government agricultural advisers toured the province to introduce Green Revolution policies.[19] Local journalists and researchers have since suggested various theories on the origins of the Eskaya but there is still no broad consensus on the subject.

As far as documented evidence is concerned, genealogies attest that many of the predecessors of those living in the communities today originally came from the town of Loon on Bohol’s western coast;[20] Mariano Datahan is reported to have arrived at the site of present-day Biabas at the turn of the nineteenth century; The Philippine Independent Church in Biabas was established in 1902;[13] Datahan wrote a letter to President Manuel Quezon in 1937;[11] and the resistance hero Col. Esteban Bernido records a meeting with Datahan in Biabas in 1944.

The Eskaya community has been the object of ongoing controversy, particularly with regards to its status as an indigenous group and the classification of the Eskayan language.[9] Intense speculation in the 1980s and 1990s on the part of journalists and lay historians generated a number of theories that continue to be elaborated without resolution.[18]

It has been argued variously that the Eskaya are a remnant of the original indigenous settlers on Bohol;[1] that they migrated to Bohol from Sumatra in the seventh century A.D.;[23] that they are descendants of the resistance groups that fought under Francisco Dagohoy;[24] that they are a cult[25] or secret society;[10] or that they are a conscious reconstruction of an imagined pre-colonial society.

Some of the more unusual proposals are that the Eskaya people are a Semitic proto-Christian tribe;[26] that they possess the lost book of Enoch;[27] that they are descended from the builders of King Solomon’s temple;[12] that their existence proves the imminence of a second Messiah in Bohol; or that they guard esoteric secrets.

Likewise, the Eskayan speech variety has been associated with languages as disparate as Hebrew, Greek, and Etruscan. Recent studies have revealed that the syntax of Eskayan is identical to that of Cebuano,[11][4][9] lending weight to the theory that Eskayan is actually an elaborate form of Cebuano coding.[6][11][9]

Legally, the Eskaya are classified as an indigenous group under Republic Act or R.A. No. 8371 entitled “The Indigenous Peoples Rights Act of 1997.


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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
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« Reply #77 on: March 05, 2009, 05:10:02 pm »
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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #78 on: March 06, 2009, 10:25:07 am »
Ha! I wrote that wikipedia article (needs updating though)

Alright, the Secret Languages of Bohol map has been started!:

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Edit by clicking on the 'edit' button on the left - or just send me an email. I've cut and paste comments from this thread in there. Or just send me an email - pierskelly (at)yahoo.it

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Re: The ESKAYA TRIBES OF BOHOL
« Reply #79 on: March 06, 2009, 11:55:52 pm »
Interesting! Anoy Datahan's original name is Mariano Sumatra and the Wikipedia source says that the Eskayas originated in Sumatra.  There are still a lot of Sumatras in Loon, Anoy's jometown.

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