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In a bid to make President Aquino bow to the Catholic bishops’ stand against the passage of the Reproductive Health Bill that will have government providing contraceptives to those who choose to utilize the artificial method in cutting down the size of their families, though “responsible parenthood,” the president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), Bishop Nereo Odchimar of Tandag, Surigao del Sur yesterday, in an interview with Catholic radio station Veritas, threatened Aquino with a possible excommunication if he continues to be firm on his stand on family planning through choice. - Philippine Tribune

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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 10:40:28 AM »
Nah manghulga naman hinoon....

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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2010, 01:23:51 PM »
OMG!!!! :o  Our incumbent Pres. only purpose is  for the good of our fellowmen!

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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 01:42:24 PM »
i'm curious as to the exact words of the bishop.  the news item posted here is incomplete (it is the first paragraph only, which contains the gist of the whole story as news articles go); it does not quote the bishop in toto.  it's either he may have said it or he may have been taken out of context by the newswriter.

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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 01:47:32 PM »

here's another version of the same news.  the word "threaten" is out, rendering it less "shocking".  note the use of the word "remind" instead of "threaten".


CBCP reminds Aquino about excommunication  

By Philip Tubeza
Philippine Daily Inquirer
30 September 2010

 
MANILA, Philippines—The president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines on Wednesday reminded President Aquino III that providing contraceptives to poor couples who opt for artificial birth control face excommunication from the church.


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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 02:00:59 PM »
further, in this same news article by tubeza:

Speaking on the Church-run Radio Veritas, Bishop Nereo Odchimar of Tandag, Surigao del Sur, the current CBCP president, said that even Mr. Aquino may be covered by excommunication.  Mr. Aquino, a practicing Catholic, has stood by his position that Filipino couples who choose to use artificial contraceptives should be allowed to do so.

so far, can one glean a threat?  the bishop was just reiterating the stand of the catholic church and the possibility of excommunicating those who do not follow its stand, be they presidents or "the poor".  (well, all other religions have their own rules too.)
 



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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2010, 02:06:02 PM »

and here are the statements of the bishop, as quoted:

"Well, being the President of all, you must consider the position of the Catholic Church because we are approaching these issues from the moral aspect like the unborn.  Abortion is a grave crime. Excommunication is attached to [it]. That is an issue of gravity, that is a violation of God's commandment,"  Odchimar said.

When asked if Aquino might be excommunicated if he insists that government should distribute artificial contraceptives, Odchimar said: "That is a possibility.... Right now, it is a proximate possibility."

"But right now, we are open for dialogue,"  Odchimar said.


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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2010, 02:15:36 PM »

more quoted statements of the bishop:

"Because the position of the Church (is) that human life is conceived at the beginning of the conception, with contraceptive pills that are abortifacient, that is killing of the fertilized ovum,"  Odchimar said.

He reiterated the Church’s opposition to the passage of the reproductive health bill, which has been re-filed in Congress.

"We have been consistent with our position that we are against it. Because if the reason is the population problem connected to poverty alleviation, I don’t (think population increase) is a problem. (That) is not an issue,"  Odchimar said.

"There are also other things to be considered like the migration of people flocking to the cities and they cannot find work. Ours is an agricultural country. Agriculture should be enhanced," he said. "But it is ironic that the (International Rice Research Institute) is in the Philippine but we are importing rice from Vietnam which was ravaged by the Vietnam war. Vietnam is exporting rice to the Philippines."

Odchimar said the bishops were "aware that there is much money (for the) lobby for the passage of the reproductive health bill."

"It's an open secret that the pharmaceuticals and laboratories will be the ones who will benefit, because they are the ones supplying the pills and other contraceptive devices," he said. "We will be planning our next move....We do not have police power, we don’t discount the possibility of mobilizing the lay organizations,"  he added.


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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 02:24:30 PM »

it looks like there's still a lot to go before this difference between catholic church values and government policy can be ironed out.  for all we know, p-noy made those statements in favor of choice (not artificial contraception per se, but the choice of couples on what to use as contraceptives, which includes artificial ones and their free distribution), to test the reactions of various sectors in society.  thus had the catholic church expressed its reaction through the bishop.

it's too soon to swallow the "threaten with excommunication" yarn.

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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 02:49:27 PM »
Kining Obospo usahay marama, ilang gihulga sab si Pres Arroyo (excommunication) kay k******n, unsa man ang nahitabo? Wala! Si Arroyo nagpatuyang,  congresswoman lang gihapon.

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2010, 02:52:39 PM »
abs cbn news ....

MANILA, Philippines - Artist and performer Carlos Celdran on Friday said he has no regrets for disrupting a Mass at the Manila Cathedral Thursday in protest of the Catholic Church's stance against artificial family planning.

In an interview, Celdran said he was merely exercising his right to free speech when he held up a placard with the word "Damaso" in front of the altar during the ecumenical service.

"I don't blame anybody for what happened. Wala akong sinisisi. Pinaninindigan ko yung ginawa ko. Wala akong regrets. No regrets at all," he told radio dzMM.

Celdran, a much sought-after tour guide in Intramuros, said his lawyer is now at the Manila Prosecutor's Office to see if he can post bail. "The worse case scenario is I can stay here till Monday," he said, noting that government offices are closed on weekends.

Police said Celdran, wearing a dark suit and top hat, started shouting and held up the placard in the the middle of a homily at the Manila Cathedral Thursday afternoon. The word "Damaso" refers to Father Damaso, an abusive priest who is a character in Jose Rizal’s novel "Noli Me Tangere."

Celdran said he made the demonstration as a peaceful protest against the Catholic Church's position against contraceptives.

"I am a Catholic and born Catholic. Marami Catholic sa Pilipinas who are very disappointed with the position of the church because it is anti-women's rights, anti-gay rights and anti-human rights especially when it comes to reproductive health. Ngayong nasa kulungan ako, we can see na anti-freedom of speech din sila," he said.

"Nakakatakot ang precedent na ito, na they have the power to put people in prison like the time of Jose Rizal. If you protest against the church and the bishops, you get hauled to jail. It sends a very scary message to Filipinos when priests can put you in jail," he said.

He also revealed that he gives away free contraceptives to informal settlers in Intramuros because he believes that couples should be given a choice on how they can plan their families.

"Yes, I give away contraceptives such as condoms and pills to informal settlers at the Intramuros. I don't force them to take it. I just give them a choice. Kung may budget, I even offer ligation," he said. With a report from Edwin Sevidal, radio dzMM


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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2010, 03:52:29 PM »
As an utterly non-spiritual person I can still see that abortion, including just after the point of conception is to be avoided.  Late term abortions we can agree are killing a sentient being.
However, what's the big deal about artificial contraception?  Who cares whether or not I put a bit of latex over my member?  There are often plenty of good reasons, based on consideration for others, for doing so. 
Excommunicate?  I don't think they would dare, hence the backtracking.

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Re: Phil Catholic Church Threatens to Excommunicate Pres Noynoy Aquino
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2010, 05:00:52 PM »
abs cbn news ....

Police said Celdran, wearing a dark suit and top hat, started shouting and held up the placard in the the middle of a homily at the Manila Cathedral Thursday afternoon. The word "Damaso" refers to Father Damaso, an abusive priest who is a character in Jose Rizal’s novel "Noli Me Tangere."

Celdran said he made the demonstration as a peaceful protest   against the Catholic Church's position against contraceptives.

"I am a Catholic and born Catholic. Marami Catholic sa Pilipinas who are very disappointed with the position of the church because it is anti-women's rights, anti-gay rights and anti-human rights especially when it comes to reproductive health. Ngayong nasa kulungan ako, we can see na anti-freedom of speech din sila," he said.


celdran's demonstration was anything but "a peaceful protest".  he disrupted an ongoing church service.  i'm not a lawyer, but here's what i found in the revised penal code of the philippines, book 2, that helped me understand why celdran was jailed:

Section Four. — Crimes against religious worship
  
Art. 132. Interruption of religious worship. — The penalty of prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon any public officer or employee who shall prevent or disturb the ceremonies or manifestations of any religion.  If the crime shall have been committed with violence or threats, the penalty shall be prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods.
 
Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. — The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.


even the half-literates among us would know that exercising our freedoms entails responsibilities.  i don't think celdran would have been jailed if he simply continued giving out free contraceptives.  he is even free to cut off and give his own male member to any taker, including a hungry turkey.  that won't land him in jail.  but if he did these inside a church, in front of worshippers, as he did with his dramatic 'damaso' stunt, that's another story.

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« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2010, 05:17:18 PM »
MANILA (Updated 8:34 a.m.) -- A top official of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) has denied threatening to excommunicate President Benigno Aquino III if the Chief Executive continues to support the right to contraception.


"I deny the news report aired in TV network (Thursday) evening that I threatened President Aquino with excommunication in the interview with Radio Veritas (Thursday) morning," CBCP President Bishop Nereo Odchimar said in a disclaimer posted at www.cbcponline.net.


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In an interview Thursday over a Church-run radio station, Odchimar, when asked if Aquino’s direct involvement in the promotion of the contraception could be enough reason for him to get excommunicated, said: “That is a possibility… right now, it is a proximate possibility.”


But he cleared that his statement on having Aquino excommunicated was taken out of context and blown out of proportion, adding he did not specifically call for the President to be excommunicated.


In the CBCP website, the prelate said: "While the prevailing sentiment of a number of bishops was that of dismay and frustration over the reported stance of the President regarding artificial contraceptives, imposition of the canonical sanction has not been contemplated by the CBCP."


While in the US last week, Aquino during a forum with Filipino Americans suggested his administration would be willing to distribute contraceptives to poor couples who couldn’t afford it.


"That (contraception) is an issue of gravity. That is a violation of God’s commandment,” Odchimar said over Radio Veritas.


In CBCP website, Odchimar said "some contraceptive pills and devices are abortifacient. Any completed act to expel or kill the fertilized ovum is considered to be an act of abortion."


He added: "I stated that the initial approach of this issue is to be in the spirit of dialogue and not of confrontation. Threat of excommunication at this point of time can hardly be considered to be in line with dialogue."


"Canon Law and Morals demand that the sanction is imposed under moral immutability of the sinner. The Church intervenes in this issue because this is a moral question," he said.


Excommunication is a Church penalty against a person, which is being separated from the spiritual benefits as members of the Church, including the acceptance of the Holy Communion.


The Canon Law of the Catholic Church states that the only way for an individual to be excommunicated is when he or she hurts the Pope and those who commit and/or are accessory to the commission of abortion.


Odchimar, however, said the CBCP is open for discussion with the President on the issue of excommunication.


Aquino's spokesman Edwin Lacierda said on Thursday that the President has wrote a letter to the CBCP, expressing his willingness to sit down with the prelates for a dialogue.


“We will exhaust all peaceful means," Odchimar said, adding the bishops' group is yet to receive the President's letter.


The Catholic Church on Thursday found an ally in a Muslim group who is also against the controversial Reproductive Health (RH) bill.


According to the CBCP website, the Imam Council of the Philippines joined the Catholic Church in its campaign against birth control pills and condoms even among married couples.


Ibram Moxir, council head, told the CBCP that the Islam community is one with the Catholic hierarchy in opposing the passage of the Reproductive Health bill, which seeks to control the country’s growing birth rate.


Moxir also said he is saddened that the government is pushing for the legislation so that at least P100 will be allocated for the purchase of artificial contraceptives.


On Wednesday, CBCP Public Affairs Committee head Bishop Deogracias Iñiguez asked the faithful not to support the RH Bill as it contradicted the teachings of the Church.


In recent years, the church has spearheaded opposition to a reproductive health bill that calls for contraceptives to be provided in government hospitals and sex education to be taught in public schools. The bill is pending in the House of Representatives.


The Church is pushing for the natural family planning method for married couples.


Lacierda, meanwhile, said Aquino cannot certify for the urgency of the RH bill despite calls from lawmakers.


House Speaker Feliciano Belmonte Jr., for his part, said he is prepared to face the wrath of the church in making sure the bill is discussed extensively and voted on by lawmakers.


Proponents of the contraception bill have argued that rapid population growth and high fertility rates have exacerbated crushing poverty, and birth control could be a powerful way to raise living standards.


Politicians have long avoided clashing with the church, and it has proven in the past its ability to successfully intercede in politics. (Jill Beltran/FP/PNA/AP/Sunnex)

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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2010, 05:30:36 PM »
There is no democracy in the catholic church. This perversion is usually the result of a humanist view of man being codified into Church Doctrine by zealous priests and bishops .If someone is a practicing catholic and uses birth control, cargo de conciencia! Siya ang manubag atubangan sa Dako nga Hukmanan.  Have a nice weekend folks! ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2010, 05:53:13 PM »
As an utterly non-spiritual person I can still see that abortion, including just after the point of conception is to be avoided.  Late term abortions we can agree are killing a sentient being.
However, what's the big deal about artificial contraception?  Who cares whether or not I put a bit of latex over my member?  There are often plenty of good reasons, based on consideration for others, for doing so. 
Excommunicate?  I don't think they would dare, hence the backtracking.

rightly so, mr ben.  believing that "abortion including just after the point of conception" had to be taken as "killing a sentient being", whether we take it with or without spiritual dimensions.

the big deal with artificial contraceptions is that some of these cause abortion (abortifacients), the very thing that the church is up against. 

my guess was right, though.  initial reports on the excommunication thing need not be swallowed hook, line and sinker.  media practitioners, despite rules on the contrary, have their own biases and treatment of information to make their reports attractive.  it was out of context and out of proportion.  (my gut feeling was that no self-respecting catholic bishop will categorically say that for our country's president whose late mother was very close to the church.)   

there was no backtracking as the supposed reason to backtrack from was a mere phantom.  it's like a father telling his daughter to take care so she won't fall off a bridge, but the mother makes a big issue out of the warning by declaring that her husband has plans to push their daughter off a bridge after all.

p.s.  the church may not mind whatever you put on your member.  what it minds is the official government sanction and the free distribution of whatever it is you may put. ;D

     

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2010, 09:24:47 PM »
A few years back I had attended a church seminar on where local and provincial government as well as the Bishop had taled about birth control in the Catholic church.

The meeting was held in an orderly fashion in politicians were also asked to step up to the microphone and give their feelings about the issue.

I have my opinion but I will just keep it for myself.

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« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2010, 09:41:19 PM »
There is no democracy in the catholic church. This perversion is usually the result of a humanist view of man being codified into Church Doctrine by zealous priests and bishops .If someone is a practicing catholic and uses birth control, cargo de conciencia! Siya ang manubag atubangan sa Dako nga Hukmanan.  Have a nice weekend folks! ;D ;D ;D

hehehe good point.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2010, 09:44:55 PM »
hehehe good point.

yes, the good point is in the wishes for a nice weekend.  everything else is a mishmash.  i'm too dumb to understand it.

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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2010, 09:47:04 PM »

p.s.  the church may not mind whatever you put on your member.  what it minds is the official government sanction and the free distribution of whatever it is you may put. ;D

      

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The spiraling population rate in Europe is quite dismal. Europe (Western) is uber- liberalized and its societies have altered the traditional view of the family life and as an effect, have reduced birth rates, and the psychological (cognitition, in mind) can be affected due to the decreased fervor in terms of religious life as well as the aberration seen in many of its societies.

The Catholic Church, in this case, The Philippines, is doing nothing extraordinary. It is defending the natural process of life, the natural process of human growth, and the continuation of the foundation of religious life, which in essence, lies in the basic family structure.

In laymen's terms: If you screw up the basic family structure, you screw up society, and the religious / faith life. Look at Europe. It's loosing its sense of Christiandom. Sad to say.


Isles, nice post.

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« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2010, 09:48:08 PM »
yes, the good point is in the wishes for a nice weekend.  everything else is a mishmash.  i'm too dumb to understand it.

Not dumb, but beautiful and intelligent. Here's to a splendid weekend to us all!

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2010, 10:17:38 PM »
Not dumb, but beautiful and intelligent. Here's to a splendid weekend to us all!

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hehehe, you have not seen me yet and you call me beautiful?  intelligent, aherm, maybe, though some people i'm close to are tempted to say i'm dumb.  but beautiful?  i hope it's just a hyperbole and not an oxymoron of yours, hehe ;D, now tell me, shall i start calling you handsome? ;D  (joke.)  have a nice weekend too.

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2010, 10:19:28 PM »
I'm sure you are very beautiful, Isles.

Enjoy your weekend. :)

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« Reply #25 on: October 01, 2010, 10:20:31 PM »
hehehe, you have not seen me yet and you call me beautiful?  intelligent, aherm, maybe, though some people i'm close to are tempted to say i'm dumb.  but beautiful?  i hope it's just a hyperbole and not an oxymoron of yours, hehe ;D, now tell me, shall i start calling you handsome? ;D  (joke.)  have a nice weekend too.


 Islander, maybe this is what he meant...Tungod sa imong pagka intellegent, na beautiful kah ;)....hahahahaah :D Tulog na oi! ;)

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« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2010, 10:22:18 PM »

 Islander, maybe this is what he meant...Tungod sa imong pagka intellegent, na beautiful kah ;)....hahahahaah :D Tulog na oi! ;)


he he he he  :D

sigoro both: Physically beautiful and intellectually stunning. I leave it to our Isles to take it however she pleases.

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« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2010, 12:11:33 AM »

 Islander, maybe this is what he meant...Tungod sa imong pagka intellegent, na beautiful kah ;)....hahahahaah :D Tulog na oi! ;)


he he he he  :D

sigoro both: Physically beautiful and intellectually stunning. I leave it to our Isles to take it however she pleases.

ang mga kanahan bayang fil-ams nga bol-anong dagko. ;D  hahaha, maayo ra mong pangkusniton.  nagsalig lang kay buntag pa sa ila.  yep, gtg.  it's an hour past midnight here.  o, sige, mga handsome cowboys nga nabiyaan ug kabayo, till tomorrow "...and tomorrow, and tomorrow,/ creeps in this petty pace from day to day / to the last syllable of recorded time..." (shakespeare, macbeth)

   

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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2010, 12:18:53 AM »
... unya, unsaon man pud tong mga pari nga dili gyud mo practice og celibacy kay lagi tawo lang sila. Pagka daghan ra ba gyud. 

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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2010, 07:45:48 AM »
... unya, unsaon man pud tong mga pari nga dili gyud mo practice og celibacy kay lagi tawo lang sila. Pagka daghan ra ba gyud.  

He he, pasagdan na lang tingali kay kon estriktohon pila na lang kaha intawoy qualified nga magpabilin...  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2010, 08:03:01 AM »
hehehe, you have not seen me yet and you call me beautiful?  intelligent, aherm, maybe, though some people i'm close to are tempted to say i'm dumb

Hmm, your banana republic, perchance?  ;D

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« Reply #31 on: October 02, 2010, 10:50:14 AM »
ang mga kanahan bayang fil-ams nga bol-anong dagko. ;D  hahaha, maayo ra mong pangkusniton.  nagsalig lang kay buntag pa sa ila.  yep, gtg.  it's an hour past midnight here.  o, sige, mga handsome cowboys nga nabiyaan ug kabayo, till tomorrow "...and tomorrow, and tomorrow,/ creeps in this petty pace from day to day / to the last syllable of recorded time..." (shakespeare, macbeth)

   

Till next time, Isles.


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That I shall say good night till it be morrow.

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« Reply #32 on: October 02, 2010, 10:23:27 PM »
... unya, unsaon man pud tong mga pari nga dili gyud mo practice og celibacy kay lagi tawo lang sila. Pagka daghan ra ba gyud.  He he, pasagdan na lang tingali kay kon estriktohon pila na lang kaha intawoy qualified nga magpabilin...  ;D

... wala na gyud tingaliy mahibilin kon i-apil pa ang mga nangawkaw ...

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« Reply #33 on: October 02, 2010, 10:33:10 PM »
... unya, unsaon man pud tong mga pari nga dili gyud mo practice og celibacy kay lagi tawo lang sila. Pagka daghan ra ba gyud. 

unsa man diay sila kadaghana?  any clear and present number?

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« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2010, 10:34:36 PM »
He he, pasagdan na lang tingali kay kon estriktohon pila na lang kaha intawoy qualified nga magpabilin...  ;D

dapat lang.  kamo bitaw kun makapaanak sa gawas, pasagdan man sad mo ba. ;D

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« Reply #35 on: October 02, 2010, 10:46:13 PM »
Hmm, your banana republic, perchance?  ;D

not him, definitely not him.  otherwise, he runs the risk of having broken bottles of wine in his collection, courtesy of me.  ;D

"to die, to sleep--to sleep, perchance to dream,
ay, there's the rub,
for in that sleep of death what dreams may come..." (shakespeare, hamlet)

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« Reply #36 on: October 02, 2010, 10:57:22 PM »
Till next time, Isles.


Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow,
That I shall say good night till it be morrow.

(Romeo & Juliet)

"but soft! what light through yonder window breaks?
it is the east, and juliet is the sun!
arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
who is already sick and pale with grief
that thou her maid art far more fair than she."

                                  -shakespeare, romeo and juliet

hehe, mine eyes were almost blinded by perusing shakespeare many and many a year ago.  now they will be blessed with less moonbeams by computering.  far be it, though, that i be excommunicated. ;D


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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2010, 11:04:11 PM »
unsa man diay sila kadaghana?  any clear and present number?

almost² as in hapit mahurot or kombitay pa ang percentage--awooh..sowe..excusimouz,,!  ;D

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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2010, 11:09:33 PM »
almost² as in hapit mahurot or kombitay pa ang percentage--awooh..sowe..excusimouz,,!  ;D

hehe, okay lang, scarbzy amorouz.  amplify and diminish, matod pa. ;D

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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2010, 11:17:39 PM »
"The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,"




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