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A Personal Message (PM) from one of our friends in Tubag Bohol:

Getting worst? Of course, what do we expect? This is the natural course of things for every advancing society...The pier expanded, roads widened, new buildings constructed daily, events held in ICM, BQ etc. Bohol has attracted a huge mindshare both for tourist and sadly for the bad elements as well. And with cellphones, the coordination becomes much easier. Our Bohol authorities and programs should recognize AHEAD this Bohol's changing landscape and must anticipate for these dark sides of every progress. Not only so long ago, IslandMall site used to be jungle but now it is flooded with crowds. I've been moving IN and OUT of Bohol and I've been noticing at a close level of its transformation. There is a price for every progress. Buildings, roads, and lights is balanced with an increase in crime. After all, neverLand utopia is only in fairytale...like the green grasses and the one-tree-hill? I see the need for a budget restructuring..our local officials MUST DO THIS! Install checkpoints, and strengthen police force. Bohol's promise is still very bright and it has yet to reach higher heights..there is no ceasing still in sight...i sense ahead an increase of these crimes more. Our local officials could be a little naive,...Bohol's rise will be meteoric like no other. And this calls for a heightened sense of vigilance and security for our local authuroties...because Bohol is GOING TO STILL RISE FURTHER, despite these crimes...and these two will come side by side....there is no stopping. This is something to think about. This crimes will never slow down Bohol's rising, as its momentum is much stronger...in contrary, as Bohol continues to progress, this will attract more crimes.

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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 10:24:56 AM »
My Rebuttal:

Quoted: This is the natural course of things for every advancing society...

I believe that it is a wrong concept to equate progress with crime. I've been living in Bangkok for nearly one and a half years and this is a city of 7 million people and like any other metropolitan cities, Bangkok has the face of progress and development to speak of - but I am yet to hear or read a story of robbery in Bangkok or in Thailand provinces. The only problem that besets this country is the fanatic Muslim extremists in the southern part who terrorize the residents there.

You're trying to say that because Tagbilaran is growing in terms of physical development, it is normal for crimes to take place. I beg to disagree. The parameter of your argument is that "this is the natural course of things for every advancing society."

As I've said, I am yet to see a bank robbery in Bangkok, a city much more progressive than Tagbilaran. You can never find a security guard in any banks or in any malls here.

Progress and crime are two different things. Crime should not be deemed the sum or product of growth and development. Abel was murdered by Cain when there was no city yet. African countries are destitute, and look, crime abounds. New Zealand is a progressive place, but have you heard of a bank robbery as deadly as that had happened in Tagbilaran? Singapore is an advanced society, but have you heard of a bank robbery in Singapore?

We can move forward economically without resigning to the wrong belief that crime should go with it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 08:04:20 PM »
There are different types of crimes. The one with Cain/Abel is of different order than when somebody robs a bank or a jewelry store...These city structures, filled with glittering things...the celfon that we carry in our hands as we walk...these are related to the crime comitted unto them. Celfon snatching, banks..these already belong to the same class of crime. Even the media globalization and the internet, some radicals would want to cease the attention of the world just to prove a point...confident that all the world will come to know them.  Without global media, most forms of terrorism would have been less meaningfull as it would not gain the attention of the globe. We, the citizens, have the luxury to believe that we will progress without crime going with it...because we are just the citizens and most of us deserve certain form of encapsulation from certain harsh conditions out there in the wild. However, the rulers, whose very job is to give protection must not think naively this way. They must confront the actual conditions right here, now...and because the city is growing, many people come...by statistics alone -- mathematically it is valid to argue that progress equates with rise in crime.

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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 08:37:41 PM »
kuyog daw na..pero how come sa ubang lugar progressive but less crimes?

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 09:10:00 PM »
Poverty.

So long as there is poverty, the level of criminal activities will soar.

A place may progress and develop... but if there is still a class of citizen that goes to bed hungry, or have to suffer the chill of the night... there will be those who will be forced to turn to crime.

I'm not saying everyone who is poor is prone to have a criminal streak... There are rich people who do far worst that any ordinary criminal could do.

The point is:in a place where wealth is more or less equally distributed among the people, there is usually less crime.

This smacks of a grand conspiracy to hide the non-existent, to identify the nameless, to paint a picture of the unseen. -- Benelynne

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Who is the victim? Filipino. Who is the culprit? Filipino.
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 09:15:04 PM »

I have already pointed out that there are many progressive cities all over the world that enjoy rapid economic growth, yet the people living in those cities are not horrified of fresh stories of robberies and murders right there in their own backyards.

Crimes in the Philippines, or in Bohol, to be specific, are rooted in the wickedness of the hearts of some men and women. I will not and cannot blame poverty as motivation of doing evil in society. People's wicked hearts want easy ways to extract money from others - worse by force and intimidation. Our politicians have exemplified that. 

Illegal recruitment is a crime. Who are the victims of illegal recruitment? Filipinos. Who are the perpetrators of illegal recruitment? Filipinos.

Who steal money from public coffers? Filipino politicians. Who are the victims? Filipinos.

Bank robbery is a crime. Who robbed a bank? Filipinos. Who are the victims? Filipinos.

Our nation is spiritually lost. Our people are groping in spiritual darkness. This spiritual darkness has decapitated our men and women that they cannot exercise love and respect for our fellow Filipinos.

I have mentioned in my earlier post that in my whole stay in Thailand I have been enjoying the kindness and generosity of the Thai people and I never had any single problem living and dealing with Thais and other nationalities. But my peaceful, smooth stay in Thailand became miserable at one time when a Filipino from Bukidnon province, whom I accommodated in my rented apartment out of compassion, ran away my money and my personal stuff.

Who is the victim? Michael Ligalig, a Filipino. Who was the culprit? Filipino.

I rest my case.

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2007, 10:45:57 PM »

Thai rak Thai. Translation: Thais love Thais.

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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 11:00:43 PM »

Dont loose hope, Mike. I know we can do better---lets just hope that that this is just a phase in Bohol. Hang in there, bro. Besides--i wont let anyone hurt you---we didnt even have our chess game yet. hahahha :)

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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2007, 02:06:46 AM »


Don't give up, Mike.

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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2007, 05:52:00 PM »
for the past days after nadakpan ang mga tulisan...ok na ang tagbiaran. in fact, last night, nahubog ko...2 am nako ming-uli.

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2007, 07:50:03 PM »
Good to know that they are already arrested.  I hope they will get the right penalty.

Life is getting hard in any developing City and it is considered as a normal where everyone tries to find a way of existence.

Careful.... El Mundo na lisod raba diha ma-a-an lang.

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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2007, 09:19:47 PM »

The land of the Rising Sun has also never been colonized. Instead--it was a colonizer of many nations, actually. It was defeated by the US, yes, however, prior to that---no western country ever stood over and had supremacy over the Tokugawa Shogunate or His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor. All nations in east asia and south east asia were colonzied by Japan:

1. Korean peninsula (japanese colony for 50 years after the 1st sino-japanese war in 1894)
2. Liandong Peninsula and Port Arthur and all of Sakhalin Island (after the brilliant victory over Russia in the Russo-Japanese War in 1905)
3. Formosa[Taiwan] was a Japanese colony since 1894 after the defeat of the Chinese in the first Sino-Japanese War
4. French Indochina [Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia] in 1940--when Gen. Yamashita initiated his 'Move South Campaign] and conquored all of Mainland south east asia in 100 days ((considered a military genius by military tacticians in the west even to this day))

5. Dutch Mollucas (Fell in less than 4 months) in 1940
6. Thailand (Was placed as a Japanese protectorate in 1940--basically a colony--as it took natural resources and man power)
7. The Philippine Islands (Fell in 1941); Took the Japanese the longest time to formally conquor the Philippines--but never successfully controlled all of the islands due to massive insurgency and geurilla warefare {theaters included in Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao}


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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2007, 09:23:54 PM »

Their penalty should  parallel to their crimes, imo. I just hope our municipal gov. makes examples of these felons--and pour the might of the law on them. Let the people and 'would be convicts' see the penalty and vengeance of Justice--hopefully it will be enough to disaude people from picking up similar criminal activities.

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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2007, 12:33:52 PM »
EL MUNDO, good for you!
But pleaseeeeee, don't tell me it's over....because it's not. It's not because the robbers were caught doesn't mean that's all it!
However, I understand what you're trying to imply..........you want to convince yourself that tagbilaran will be back to what it was before.........let me tell you..........I don't think that's gonna happen........... UNLESS.......will you know what I mean.

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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2007, 01:09:11 PM »
Lets just be very careful... kung maglakaw-lakaw ta diha sa tagbi, be aware lang jud sa imong palibot... haayyy... maau pa ma-aan na lang ta aning mangongo-ot oi...
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