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Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« on: March 16, 2010, 10:33:53 AM »
The National Historical Institute said Sunday it was filing a complaint against Journey lead singer Arnel Pineda for changing the tone and tempo of the Philippine national anthem when he sang it before the Pacquiao-Clottey bout in Texas.

Pineda sang "Lupang Hinirang" (Beloved Land) during Pacquiao’s successful bout against Joshua Clottey of Ghana on Saturday (Sunday in Manila), his powerful, high-pitched voice filling the Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

But Teddy Atienza, chief of the Heraldry Section of the NHI, was not pleased. A "24 Oras" report quoted him as saying that they would file a complaint against Pineda before the Department of Justice for his "wrong" version of the national anthem.

The NHI is the government body tasked to ensure respect for the national anthem, Philippine flag and other national symbols.

Under Section 37 of Republic Act 8491 or the Flag and Heraldic Code, the national anthem must be sung in accordance with the original musical arrangement of composer Julian Felipe, who gave it a marching tempo. Violators may be fined P5,000 to P20,000 or jailed for a year.

Pineda, for his part, defended his version, saying he had sung it with all his heart. He said he would ask his lawyer to deal with the complaint once it is filed.

Pineda, who rose to fame in 2007 when members of the US-based band discovered him on YouTube, belted out before a crowd of almost 51,000 boxing fans his somewhat slow rendition of "Lupang Hinirang."

The singer, wearing a brown long-sleeved polo with native prints, started well in the song but faltered when he tried to raise the pitch — a practice frowned upon by NHI — of the final part of the anthem. The crowd cheered nonetheless.

Cheers and jeers

"What happened to your voice and to the anthem?" asked a fan of the singer on his Facebook fan page.

"Ba’t iniba mo ‘yung [last notes] ng anthem (Why did you change the last notes of the anthem)?" asked another. "Parang malalagutan na ng hininga (You sounded like you were running out of breath)," still another said.

Some, however, praised Pineda for a job well done.

"Good job Arnel! Your patriotic rendition of ["Lupang Hinirang"] was awesome. You made me so proud to be Pinay," a fan said. "I love you Arnel Pineda. Beautiful anthem, beautiful voice," another said.

The institute has criticized a number of Filipino singers who had sung the Philippine national anthem in recent fights of Pacquiao for supposedly creating their own interpretation of the song.

Crooner Martin Nievera’s rendition of "Lupang Hinirang" in Pacquiao’s fight against British Ricky Hatton in May 2009 caused an uproar for its deviation from the prescribed musical arrangement.

Aside from Nievera, pop girl group "La Diva" also received a failing grade from the National Historical Institute for its version of the anthem during Pacquiao’s match with Puerto Rican Miguel Cotto in November 2009.

"I’m sure you guys will be proud," Pineda told GMA News before his fight with Clottey.

Other singers

The NHI earlier noted that if properly sung with a two-fourths beat and 100 metronomes, the national anthem should last 53 seconds. Pineda’s version was 89 seconds long.

Among the singers reprimanded by the NHI for deviating from the song’s original form were Charice Pempengco, Jennifer Bautista and Christian Bautista. The latter is remembered for leaving out several lines of the anthem during a boxing match of Gerry Peñalosa in Muntinlupa in 2007.

All three singers have apologized, claiming they had not intended to change some notes.

Singers like Sarah Geronimo, Lani Misalucha and Kyla, whose versions of the anthem at different Pacquiao matches had lasted for over a minute, have also been criticized by the NHI for turning the national anthem into a ballad. — with Norman P. Aquino/KBK, GMANews.TV

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 10:38:15 AM »
Mahadlok na jud ning uban mokanta ug Lupang Hinirang kay ug di magkadimao kasuhan man dayon. How embarrassing. Ug gusto ning taga NHI nga perfect pagkakanta sila nalang ang mokanta. Makalagot hunahunaon nga kara singer nalang mokanta ani naa silay ipanghurga nga kasuhan.


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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 10:41:33 AM »
Mahadlok na jud ning uban mokanta ug Lupang Hinirang kay ug di magkadimao kasuhan man dayon. How embarrassing. Ug gusto ning taga NHI nga perfect pagkakanta sila nalang ang mokanta. Makalagot hunahunaon nga kara singer nalang mokanta ani naa silay ipanghurga nga kasuhan.


NHI is just an implementing body.  Sa ato pa diay ato ireklamo ang pulis kay ilang gidakup ang murderer?

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2010, 11:42:15 AM »
They are called singing artist. Music is an art...
What will happen to an art if there is a rule of law?

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2010, 11:50:26 AM »
sa tagalog pa .... KSP ang NHI.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2010, 11:53:36 AM »
Nat kintahay pilion ka nga pakantahonsa Lupang Hinirang musugot ka? heheheh ug ako mobalibad jud ko sa way pag duhaduha kay basin  di napud magkadimao ipapreso unya ta.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2010, 11:54:55 AM »
they should shut their Effing mouth up!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2010, 11:57:08 AM »
Nat kintahay pilion ka nga pakantahonsa Lupang Hinirang musugot ka? heheheh ug ako mobalibad jud ko sa way pag duhaduha kay basin  di napud magkadimao ipapreso unya ta.

sugot lang ko raqz aron mapreso ko ..... basta lang tupad mi ni arnel sa sulod sa presohan ..... type ko sya  ;D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 12:07:56 PM »
The NHI should not expect the playing and singing of Lupang Hinirang to be executed in the exact same fashion. I find this physically (bodily) impossible. While I support and appreciate the role played by the NHI as guardian of Philippine historical heritage, it should also be considerate of certain limitations. The lyrics of our national anthem came after the music was composed by Julian Felipe to be played by the San Francisco de Malabon band.  Its tempo is understandably martial (a march) as suggested by President Aguinaldo himself. If I remember correctly, it took Julian Felipe only around 3 days to compose the music...just in time for the declaration of Phil. Independence  on June 12, 1898. Later, Palma Gil (if I remember correctly) would add the lyrics (first Spanish, then later versions in English and Tagalog).

Certainly, playing a march is easier than singing to a martial beat.

But I certainly disagree with the overstylized approach in singing our national anthem.  It should really be given the respect it deserves. Attention should be given to the music and the lyrics of the anthem---NOT TO THE PERFORMER!

As an aside, I remember my old bandmaster, Sgt. Fajardo---who was a member of the famous Phil. Constabulary Band when it participated in an international competition in the US in the 1930s I believe---telling us that during that competition the Philippine National Anthem as adjudged one of the best national anthems in the world, second only to Le Marseillaise (hope I got my French right). And perhaps one major consideration when that award was given was because of the very martial and emotional and nationalistic nature of our national anthem.

As to Arnel Pineda's performance that fateful night, personally I thought he was forcing the issue..that is, forcing himself to start on a very high pitch as if to prove his singing prowess...fully aware that the song will eventually go higher...much higher than his vocal chords could tolerate. Or maybe he had colds. Knowing Arnel's capacity for high pitches....the moment he struck the first note...I already had a foreboding he will not end with a good finish, sad to say.  The moral of the story: just play it again (the normal way), Sam (with apologies to Casablanca).

Just my 2-cents' worth on the subject.

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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 01:45:03 PM »
Haaaay, here we go again. Mao sad nay akong ikasulti. Huh!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 01:50:33 PM »
yes French national Anthem sounds good too but have you ever heard it  when it was sang by a soloist? it will sound differently like our own BAYANG (  slang when we were kids ) they should have hired the full marching band to make it really perfect.

but all i know that performers always have to rehearse what they are going to perform. Arnel already has a high pitched voice so we cant help it to go lower. was it fateful performance ? not to me and not even to the americans who watched it with me that night. remember no one can make it a 100 % perfect when its performed live.



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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 03:17:34 PM »
o.t.  those dallas cowboy cheerleaders singing the Star-Spangled Banner were great ...... and so hot :)

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 03:28:55 PM »
o.t.  those dallas cowboy cheerleaders singing the Star-Spangled Banner were great ...... and so hot :)

The NHI will also sue those three hot blue girls. :)

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 03:31:00 PM »
o.t.  those dallas cowboy cheerleaders singing the Star-Spangled Banner were great ...... and so hot :)

Agree Klasmet! i was so amazed abi nako pakita kita ra to sila sa pusod! pestol naa man diay talent! hahahah!

they were great indeed!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 05:21:35 PM »
sukad karon, mahadlok na gyod ko mokanta sa atong bayang magiliw.  natural ang akong pagkayabag.  ikiha ba pod ko tungod kay di mao akong tono? 

ang star-spangled banner sa u.s. gigamit sa unang panahon sa rock opera nga 'hair'.  if i remember right, naay mga lines sa u.s. national anthem nga gigamit sa kanta.  maajo kay wa makiha ang composer, lyricist, ug singers ato. 

wa man pod tingaliy nikiha ni wonder woman nga u.s. flag man intawon ang iyang costume nga morag bathing suit.  pasuwaya si darna ug gamit ug bathing suit nga ang design philippine flag, tingalig ma-calaboose siya sa ato. 

while the nhi must carry out its duties, there's got to be some limit on how far it could go in the matter of implementation.  the spirit of the law as against the letter of the law, matod pa.  di sapajan nga morag inquisition. 

kanyahay ra usahay tawgon hinoon na sila ug national hysterical institute.   

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2010, 09:07:32 PM »
gapakauwaw laman nang taga NHI... way 'common sense' ag mga kangho... gigama nang balaod kabahin anang pagkanta sa Lupang Hinirang aron mapanalipdan ang posibilidad nga naay mag-jagajaga anang atong national anthem...... kalami rag resulta sa ato gibati pagkadungog nato sa pagkanta's mga nanganta ana kada duwa ni pacman...... dili lang kay si Arnel... kadto pud ka Martin Nievera... malika'g tan-aw di ba mubati tag ka-proud... samana uy...... angay patan-awon na sila'g Glenn Beck ug Bill Oreilly aron makamao'g 'common sense'... ehehehe

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2010, 09:09:21 PM »
lisod man gud ug ipa ubos ni Arnel ang ending nga "ang mamatay ng dahil sa'yo"
ky nagsugod man sya ug high pitch..ang labas morag mikatkat ug tower unja kalit ang bagsak
mas dangerous kon ang efekto molubad..maau gani wla gi rock with dancers ang presentation,
kuyaw og ma ingrata-contra no entera hinoon sya ^â—‹^


whops misutoy man kos laing shomoyanan? hee³

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2010, 09:21:32 PM »
in fairness nindotan baya ko pagkanta ni Arnel oh

hay§ dli na diay ta ani kapataka kanta sa Bayaw Mag-iliw"  ::)

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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2010, 01:46:50 AM »
Don't we have more important things to worry about?

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2010, 01:49:09 AM »
Don't we have more important things to worry about?

Do we?

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2010, 07:16:22 AM »
Louya sa NHI.

Maayo pa magpadala mo ug suwat ingna ipausab ang RA 8491 rather than disrespecting a government agency nga nagbuhat sa ilang mandate.

Aw hinuon, Pinoy are used to living in a country who enjoys law disobedience mao if naay agency nga magbuhat sa ilang mandate, hala palag dayon.  Pero ang mga pulitiko nga naghimo sa balaud, wa ra, nagngisingisi ra tawn.

Mao ni way asenso ang Pilipinas.

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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2010, 07:38:23 AM »
para walay gubot ang mga taga nhi na lang ang pakantahon whenever naa tay ceremony or yet di na lang nato kantahon atong national anthem para dili ta makasuhan... or yet just play a recorded marching tempo like in the theaters huh?
i would like to be patriotic as much as possible and tried to remember the sacrifices of those martyrs who shed blood for the country... but if in doing so i'll be tried and imprisoned for singing deeply with all my heart but sung it out of tune or not in accordance with the original tempo... then so be it... put me to jail for my jailers is not different from dirty policemen who only wanted money to their pockets.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2010, 07:44:59 AM »
para walay gubot ang mga taga nhi na lang ang pakantahon whenever naa tay ceremony or yet di na lang nato kantahon atong national anthem para dili ta makasuhan... or yet just play a recorded marching tempo like in the theaters huh?
i would like to be patriotic as much as possible and tried to remember the sacrifices of those martyrs who shed blood for the country... but if in doing so i'll be tried and imprisoned for singing deeply with all my heart but sung it out of tune or not in accordance with the original tempo... then so be it... put me to jail for my jailers is not different from dirty policemen who only wanted money to their pockets.

again and again, NHI is just the implementing agency and not the RA 8491...

paita ni mga tawhana.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2010, 07:52:09 AM »
Louya sa NHI.

Maayo pa magpadala mo ug suwat ingna ipausab ang RA 8491 rather than disrespecting a government agency nga nagbuhat sa ilang mandate.

Aw hinuon, Pinoy are used to living in a country who enjoys law disobedience mao if naay agency nga magbuhat sa ilang mandate, hala palag dayon.  Pero ang mga pulitiko nga naghimo sa balaud, wa ra, nagngisingisi ra tawn.

Mao ni way asenso ang Pilipinas.
Louya sa NHI.

Maayo pa magpadala mo ug suwat ingna ipausab ang RA 8491 rather than disrespecting a government agency nga nagbuhat sa ilang mandate.

Aw hinuon, Pinoy are used to living in a country who enjoys law disobedience mao if naay agency nga magbuhat sa ilang mandate, hala palag dayon.  Pero ang mga pulitiko nga naghimo sa balaud, wa ra, nagngisingisi ra tawn.

Mao ni way asenso ang Pilipinas.


they can have two options to make, to  remove that regulation  or stop sending boxers to Amerika. Simple.

preha ba sa cuba, one must follow everything.

Music is ART and there is no such word obedience in ART.

It is more on one's  IMAGINATION and that happens when an artist is imaginative.

people who has Art are the people who has love.

so let LOVE reign!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2010, 07:57:27 AM »
In a legal point of view, how can you sue Arnel Pineda for a crime committed beyond the criminal jurisdiction of the Philippines?

I remember a PBA game in Calape years ago. I think it was between Alaska and Red Bull. A local talent was asked to sing the song. Unlike Christian Bautista who forgot only two lines, she forgot almost half of the lyrics and went on humming until the end. Certainly she got nervous and forgot the lyrics. Would you punish that girl for forgetting the lyrics?

Would you punish Arnel Pineda for standing there being proud as a Filipino and sing from his heart. For me it was the most sincere rendition of the Lupang Hinirang I've ever seen. Second was that of Ciara Sotto in Pacquaio-Morales II that Manny Pacquaio while doing the mitts with Roach shed some tears.

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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2010, 07:59:37 AM »

they can have two options to make, to  remove that regulation  or stop sending boxers to Amerika. Simple.

preha ba sa cuba, one must follow everything.

Music is ART and there is no such word obedience in ART.

It is more on one's  IMAGINATION and that happens when an artist is imaginative.

people who has Art are the people who has love.

so let LOVE reign!
HUH?  NHI is not the congress nor will ever be.  NHI is not a governing boxing authority sa Pinas.

No one is questioning art nor music.  It's all about the law that is made by our pickle minded politicians.  I don't condole NHI's move but it's the law.  If you condemn NHI for doing their job, then inyo sad na.

Sige ta palag kay daghan balaud sa Pinas di tumanon.  Now comes a small government agency implementing their mandate, pirte nakapalag sa mga tawo.  Ang nakaparat ra ba, nag-implement ra sila sa balaud.  It's just like blaming a policeman nga naticketan ta kay nituyok ta sa no U-turn.

People just enjoy barking at the wrong tree.

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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2010, 08:05:50 AM »
bitaw, what's the big deal? why whine?

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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2010, 08:07:48 AM »
HUH?  NHI is not the congress nor will ever be.  NHI is not a governing boxing authority sa Pinas.

No one is questioning art nor music.  It's all about the law that is made by our pickle minded politicians.  I don't condole NHI's move but it's the law.  If you condemn NHI for doing their job, then inyo sad na.

Sige ta palag kay daghan balaud sa Pinas di tumanon.  Now comes a small government agency implementing their mandate, pirte nakapalag sa mga tawo.  Ang nakaparat ra ba, nag-implement ra sila sa balaud.  It's just like blaming a policeman nga naticketan ta kay nituyok ta sa no U-turn.

People just enjoy barking at the wrong tree.

its because  that always happen when there is boxing going on. so stop boxing and let our country fade forever.

they already has done this before with Martin Nievera and nothing has done!

isnt it enough to remove that rule or  what they were trying to employ here?

or were they just lazy to ask congress to VOID that rule?

why complain all the time?

THERE IS ALWAYS EXCEPTION IN EVERY RULE.

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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2010, 08:12:57 AM »
its because  that always happen when there is boxing going on. so stop boxing and let our country fade forever.

they already has done this before with Martin Nievera and nothing has done!

isnt it enough to remove that rule or  what they were trying to employ here?

or were they just lazy to ask congress to VOID that rule?

why complain all the time?

THERE IS ALWAYS EXCEPTION IN EVERY RULE.

Mao man kaha.  Everyone wants to be exempted from the rule, labi na if sila gusto na maexempt.  But if uban lang and not them, pwerte ta kaputak.

I made my piece.  Am out of here.

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« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2010, 08:17:55 AM »
bitaw, what's the big deal? why whine?

 :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

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« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2010, 08:23:31 AM »

Priso unta ni sila.

Sakto pero grabe ka luya ug dili marching.........:   Sarah Geronimo        ;)
Marching pero dili sakto ang ending.................:   Martin Nievera          :)
Kabalo unsa ang sakto pero wala musonod.......:   Arnel Pineda             :P

Sakto pero nang short cut lang......................:   Christian Bautista     ;D

Lupa ng araw, ng luwalhati't pagsinta,
Ang mamatay ng dahil sa yo.

If there's a law then it should be implemented.
If there's an implementing government agency, then they should do as mandated by the law.  Otherwise, this NHI should be abolished.  Daghan balaod mag lisod man diay ug implementar.   ;D

Pero arang arang nalang neng ato.  Ang grabe ang sa US.  Last rendition kadtong sa away ni Dela Hoya - Pacquiao (?) kay ang term sa uban "gi masaker" ang ilang national anthem.  :'(

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« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2010, 08:38:17 AM »
 :)
Well, though it has been changed,the most important thing there is they'd shown respect to our country.

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« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2010, 08:56:13 AM »
may point mn sd ang NHI dba? aminin miyabag gyd c arnel.. nindot mn ang iya pgkakanta sa una but sa later part na wla na ngkadimao.  dpat wla nlng unta niya gi pasaka ang note sa later part ky wla gyd nya nkaya( besides d mn jd pasaka ang note sa "ang mamatay ng dahil sayo"- sakto ba ko? heheh) .. maybe nxt tym, if naay mokanta sa national anthem, i screen una sa NHI para d na ma issue ..
 cge nlng... :)

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« Reply #35 on: March 17, 2010, 09:05:59 AM »
Malipay jud tos Jellybean makabasa ani nga nag-unay ang mga Pinoy ug mga Bol-anon, di foreigner gipasanginlan,  bwahahahaha  ;D :D ;) :) 8)

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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2010, 09:06:55 AM »
Malipay jud tos Jellybean makabasa ani nga nag-unay ang mga Pinoy ug mga Bol-anon, di foreigner gipasanginlan,  bwahahahaha  ;D :D ;) :) 8)


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« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2010, 11:47:49 AM »
wla nay lingaw sila maonang kung kinsa tong mo kanta sa kada fight ni manny ang tuno ra gyoy bantayan nila. pero dri sa amerika usbon gyud sa uban ang tunada labi na sa mga itom kung maoy pakantahon sa U.S.A nga nat'l anthem usab gyud na sya. kung pinoy bisag gamay nga sayop himuong dako. sa sunod fight ni pacqiuao sakto na gyud ang tune sa phil.nat'l anthem gi practisan na ug sugod ni floyd mayweather ang nasudnong awit sa pilipinas. hala NHI bantayi si mayweather inig kanta nya sa phil.nat'l anthem. he. he. he... haha...

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« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2010, 12:24:21 PM »
Kalouy sad ang lead singer sa american rock band Journey kay kasuhan man, basin nagpapansin lang ning taga NHI, Don't Stop Believin Arnel.

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« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2010, 01:02:49 PM »
kanang atong nasudnong kanta usa kana ka respotado nga kanta dili na preho sa uban nga kanta nga pwedi i revise o usbon depende sa gusto sa mokanta. dunay balaod nga nag himo og nag protekta ana. mao nay angay ninyong masabtan. kanagn kantaha "public concern na", dili na part sa personal album sa usa ka manganganta. kabahin kana sa simbolo sa atong "national heritage" , kinahanglan gayd dili kana usbon usbon kay dunay balaod nga nagtakda ana... congreso ang dapat nga mo amenda ana dili si Arnil Pinida o si Martin Nievera. manghinaot kong nakasabot sa unod anang maong kanta. Daghan salamat

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« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2010, 01:30:09 PM »
LadzTaray..

actually. may puntos ka... since this is an open forum, in my own opinion.. kung kasohan si pineda iapil na lang si christain bautista kay gikuhaan gyod ug estanza ang "Lupang Hinirang" mao ning madungog nimo sa youtube.."lupa ng araw ng luwalhalti't pagsinta.. ang mamatay ng dahil sa iyo "... :D :D  muy terible.! mas grabe gyod tong iya... naglabaw na pod si Misalucha.. nahimo namong joke for the day sa ofis ang iyang tono sa last portion nga nagbawog-bawog ang tingog nga morag nakakitag multo.. anyways... everyone is entitle to give commentaries, it takes two to tango.. cheers..!!!  :D :D :D

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« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2010, 04:40:37 PM »
halos tanan actually ni kanta sa lupang hinirang sa fight ni pacman gibatikos
dili lang kay si arnel og martin since dili mao ang tono sa kanta ila pod unta to
gi apil og kiha si jennifer bautista nga nayabag jud klaro kadto pacman - morales 2
naa pod nag suggest nga aron wa na ika reklamo ang NHI irecord na lang daan
ang kanta unya ipareview sa NHI para mao na ipatukar sa next fight ni pacman
kung naa pa man gani

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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2010, 05:08:32 PM »
he he kataw anan bitaw pud ug gamay ning namuno sa H1 N1 este NHI diay dili baja tawun sila consistent sa ilang guidelines daghang nanganta aning atung national anthem nga gakawendang
wendang piro no comment sila, or mas maajo siguro sila nalang ang tangtangun.

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« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2010, 05:16:27 PM »
I would simply say "sing the Philippine National Anthem" the way composer Julian Felipe wanted it to be.  Or if you are not familiar with its tune, just observe the little school children singing it every morning in your locality.  Yes, by heart sing it and the NHI people will love you.

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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2010, 05:17:17 PM »
I would simply say "sing the Philippine National Anthem" the way composer Julian Felipe wanted it to be.  Or if you are not familiar with its tune, just observe the little school children singing it every morning in your locality.  Yes, by heart sing it and the NHI people will love you.

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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2010, 05:36:30 PM »
halos tanan actually ni kanta sa lupang hinirang sa fight ni pacman gibatikos
dili lang kay si arnel og martin since dili mao ang tono sa kanta ila pod unta to
gi apil og kiha si jennifer bautista nga nayabag jud klaro kadto pacman - morales 2
naa pod nag suggest nga aron wa na ika reklamo ang NHI irecord na lang daan
ang kanta unya ipareview sa NHI para mao na ipatukar sa next fight ni pacman
kung naa pa man gani


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tama ka may puntos dapat irecord daan unya ipadungog gyod sa NHI apil na ang DepEd.. para at least perpek na gyod...

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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2010, 06:52:48 PM »
sobra ra sila OA ambot lang kaha kabalo ba sila sa note. nag papansin lang na sila. ngano man lagi sa una nga dili pa sikat si pacquiao katong fight nila una ni Barera sa Texas wala man lagi sila reklamo. naki ride on lang na sila ni Pacqiuao. Hilas kaayo taga NHI

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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2010, 07:10:27 PM »
... Raqz, ayaw na lang kanta sa Lupang Hinirang, basin mapreso ka.
Bohol Hymn na lang, wala pay kalaban tingali. Hehehehehehe.

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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2010, 07:29:03 PM »
Mahilig sa panggulat ning NHI. Di ba ang NHI pud ang responsible nga nahimong morag cake tan-awon ang Rizal home sa Calamba? ;D

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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2010, 09:02:04 PM »
Mahilig sa panggulat ning NHI. Di ba ang NHI pud ang responsible nga nahimong morag cake tan-awon ang Rizal home sa Calamba? ;D
Bilib ko sa imong memory Toy hahaha mao jud sila bitaw to nagcolor ug green sa balay ni Rizal.
Kining pagkanta aning Lupang Hinirang okey ra ni kantahon inig ting bayang magiliw na atubangan sa flag pole pero ug mag inusara na gani ka mokanta ani malagmit makasuhan ta. Naa koy naremember nga salida katong Dekada 70 ni Vilma Santos ug Christopher de Lion nga about man to sa martial law. Akong bana nagtan aw pud adto perti niyang katawa adtong usa ka scene nga ang mga military gipakanta tong civilian ug lupang hinirang.Ang uban wala magkadimao nakalimot sa lyrics ug uban ang tono di mao unsay gibuhat sa military gipanglaparo tong civilian.Giayo jud ug tamparos.


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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2010, 09:32:30 PM »
btaw sakto gyud ka
Mahadlok na jud ning uban mokanta ug Lupang Hinirang kay ug di magkadimao kasuhan man dayon. How embarrassing. Ug gusto ning taga NHI nga perfect pagkakanta sila nalang ang mokanta. Makalagot hunahunaon nga kara singer nalang mokanta ani naa silay ipanghurga nga kasuhan.
btaw, sakto gyud ka mam!!! manu gud na cla nga reklamador man kaayo, maayo ani ug sila ang mo-appoint ug kinsa mokanta... or pwde pod ako nlng kahibaw man sad ko, tarung gud mi tig kanta lupang hinirang sauna k2 elementary pako.. hehhe.. btaw oi.. sa tinuod lang pagkita jud nako ni pineda akoy nauwaw.. hahay!! diman sya angayan mukanta ad2 abi kay sikat siyay kwaon... hmp!! mas maayo ug loboc children's choir ilang kwaon nindut pah, mataas pa ang bandila sa bohol... aw!! heheh
Mahadlok na jud ning uban mokanta ug Lupang Hinirang kay ug di magkadimao kasuhan man dayon. How embarrassing. Ug gusto ning taga NHI nga perfect pagkakanta sila nalang ang mokanta. Makalagot hunahunaon nga kara singer nalang mokanta ani naa silay ipanghurga nga kasuhan.

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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2010, 09:44:03 PM »
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2010, 09:54:21 PM »
Mahilig sa panggulat ning NHI. Di ba ang NHI pud ang responsible nga nahimong morag cake tan-awon ang Rizal home sa Calamba? ;D


weeeee! o yeah! hahaha! mura tawon ug St Patrick nga cake ang balay!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2010, 10:01:47 PM »
natan awan nako ang interview sa HNI,nga sa sunod kuno laban ni pacman mouban daw sila,aron ma monitor  nila ang mokanta,so sa madaling sabi,gusto lang nila makasama sa team paquiao.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2010, 10:16:01 PM »
Now i got their point!

THEY WANT TO BE INCLUDED IN PAKWAN'S ENTOURAGE!  

see that???

WTF these oppurtunist are thinking all about!!!


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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2010, 10:33:56 PM »
... Raqz, ayaw na lang kanta sa Lupang Hinirang, basin mapreso ka.
Bohol Hymn na lang, wala pay kalaban tingali. Hehehehehehe.

Maajo pa!

Unsa kaha no kung Bohol Hymn ipakanta ni Pacquiao? Samot sigurog kagubot hahaha!!!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2010, 10:35:00 PM »
Maajo pa!

Unsa kaha no kung Bohol Hymn ipakanta ni Pacquiao? Samot sigurog kagubot hahaha!!!


mag ambak2x si Jelly Bean ana 'Der! hahahahhaha!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2010, 10:39:32 PM »
next time if there is an event like this, i think it's more appropriate if NHI will appoint as to who's gonna sing the national anthem. this is to avoid things like this since this time it's their choice. no more criticisms no more lambasting and no more comments about the singing.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2010, 10:43:04 PM »

mag ambak2x si Jelly Bean ana 'Der! hahahahhaha!

Mag kamang-kamang siguro kog binahakhak sa sawoooog kung Bohol Hymn ang surprise # unja naa si Jellybean, aw, NHI diay, niuban sa entourage. You're right, kaubanon rana sila sa byaheng "Pakyaw" (Air Pakyaw) maong nagpa dungog2x nga sunod mouban sila para e monitor. Padugang pusta god!!! Uban pod ta MDB?

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2010, 10:45:09 PM »
next time if there is an event like this, i think it's more appropriate if NHI will appoint as to who's gonna sing the national anthem. this is to avoid things like this since this time it's their choice. no more criticisms no more lambasting and no more comments about the singing.

OK ra ni na idea (gesugyot sad ni earlier) pero personally di ko uyon. Kay ngano? Ahh, wa na tay lalisan deri sa TB bahin sa NHI bwahahahahaha!!! Wa na tay lingaw ani hehehe  ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2010, 10:47:42 PM »
OK ra ni na idea (gesugyot sad ni earlier) pero personally di ko uyon. Kay ngano? Ahh, wa na tay lalisan deri sa TB bahin sa NHI bwahahahahaha!!! Wa na tay lingaw ani hehehe  ;D ;D ;D
usahay makalagot man gud nga hasta kana initan ug maayo. kana ra sad kada away ni pacman. dili man lagi nila sawayon ang mga yabag ang mokanta pareha nako. ;D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2010, 10:57:44 PM »
Insurectus...

asa man ka kapalit anang avatar nimo? :D :D lami irokon ba abi gyod nako'g kuto.. alanganin man pod purgas sa iro ;D ;D

bitaw, maayo ani.. kada away ni pacquiao kanang ready made na nga national anthem ipatugtog, kanang gina patugtog kada mag open na ang mga tv station.. kana,wa gyod molalis ana kay original ang tempo... :D :D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2010, 10:58:12 PM »
I'm not against Arnel Pineda the way and the style he sings,uso na man gud nang remake karon sa mga kanta...pero it really make us proud kung ang tono sa Lupang Hinirang is in the original  marching tone.Our Phil.National Anthem is parte na sa history sa Pilipinas,kung pwede natong mai-preserve ang orihinal nga tono ini mas labing maayo.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2010, 11:05:06 PM »

not in SOLO ACAPPELA

when you say marching tone, then they should recommend A BAND.

a marching tone could  be performed by acappela soloist pero it will sounded like a cow.

would you like to watch it in a live performances that is broadcasted all over the world?

HELL NO!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2010, 11:08:54 PM »
... Raqz, ayaw na lang kanta sa Lupang Hinirang, basin mapreso ka.
Bohol Hymn na lang, wala pay kalaban tingali. Hehehehehehe.
Dugay na ko wa kakanta aning Lupang hinirang oi hehehe sa una pa to kara bayang magaliw na gani hehhehe. Human sa bayang magiliw ug panatang makabayan mag look forward pa ko mokanta sa awit sa Bohol labi na tong stanza nga matam is nga kinampay makahunahuna dajon ko sa among kamote nga kinampay.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2010, 11:10:07 PM »
it's only julian felipe who knows the exact tune of lupang hinirang. since my elementary days up to this point I heard a lot of different ways the national anthem was sung whether in chorus or solo. as long as it's not vandalized or mocked then that should be ok. NHI admin can't even sing it when he was asked to give a sample of how it should be done. instead played an MP3 format of the anthem that can also be downloaded from their website.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2010, 11:21:00 PM »
If that is the thingking of NHI then they should file cases to elementary pupils including teachers who cannot sing the national anthem according to the standard.
Wala na jud ni sila makita? They should be proud when our national anthem is played in international event no matter how it is played. They just show their true color and thinking.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2010, 11:23:49 PM »
If that is the thingking of NHI then they should file cases to elementary pupils including teachers who cannot sing the national anthem according to the standard.
Wala na jud ni sila makita? They should be proud when our national anthem is played in international event no matter how it is played. They just show their true color and thinking.


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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2010, 11:34:02 PM »
can we invite those hot dallas cowboy cheerleaders to sing our national anthem?

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2010, 11:45:21 PM »
can we invite those hot dallas cowboy cheerleaders to sing our national anthem?


di kaha sila magka bulol2x Klasmet? aw ehe!  esmangil para jud ka makakita sa ilang KEBOT!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #70 on: March 18, 2010, 12:23:45 AM »
NHI, is the one overseeing the good and proper rendition
of the Lupang Hinirang. Trabaho nila yan. Kaya, susundin talaga
nila kung ano ang instruction ng batas. They love to follow
the batas to the letter talaga. They never hate instructions,
kasi malilintikan sila, at baka sasabihin ng gobyerno na wala
silang ginagawa.

Kaya pasensya na taumbayan. NHI never hates instruction.
They must follow, kaya NHI acronym nila. N ever H ates I nstruction.
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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #71 on: March 18, 2010, 05:12:35 AM »
Deliberate man ning pag-usab sa ending portion sa national anthem. they cannot claim ignorance for doing it. it was done in all past Pacquiao fight. The NHI called their attention and still the law continues to be violated. If nobody really wants to respect the law, it can be repealed in congress or senate, and anybody can do anything to change our national anthem to suit to any occasion. Mahilig lang gyod magpasikat. One time, the lady singer sang out of tune because her voice capacity was too low for the pitch she wanted to reach. it was embarrassing for the pinoy crowd.

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« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2010, 06:51:47 AM »
If that is the thingking of NHI then they should file cases to elementary pupils including teachers who cannot sing the national anthem according to the standard.
Wala na jud ni sila makita? They should be proud when our national anthem is played in international event no matter how it is played. They just show their true color and thinking.

 Makahinumdom ko sa elementary, ako classmate mokanta sa tumoy ug ANG MAMATAY ILUBONG SA MENTERYO :) :) :)

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #73 on: March 18, 2010, 07:35:52 AM »
naa sad ko nabasahan sa ubang palasyo nga si Predi Rots nalang daw pakantahon sunod!

haskang katawa nako noon!

hahahhaha!

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« Reply #74 on: March 18, 2010, 07:52:42 AM »
naa sad ko nabasahan sa ubang palasyo nga si Predi Rots nalang daw pakantahon sunod!

haskang katawa nako noon!

hahahhaha!

 Okay man lang siguro basta mag duet sila ni OZZIE OSBORNE :)

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #75 on: March 18, 2010, 08:05:18 AM »
Okay man lang siguro basta mag duet sila ni OZZIE OSBORNE :)


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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #76 on: March 18, 2010, 08:09:09 AM »
Okay man lang siguro basta mag duet sila ni OZZIE OSBORNE :)

Unsa kaha kon ang ka-duet si Bob Arum? ;D

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« Reply #77 on: March 18, 2010, 08:21:02 AM »
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« Reply #78 on: March 18, 2010, 08:44:05 AM »
naa sad ko nabasahan sa ubang palasyo nga si Predi Rots nalang daw pakantahon sunod!

haskang katawa nako noon!

hahahhaha!

hahaha!  if only for this, i would watch a pacquiao game.  tiwason na lang kaha nato.  si tyson ang pakantahon.  di gyod makareklamo ang nhi kay makaon gyod ang ilang mga dunggan. 

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #79 on: March 18, 2010, 08:59:18 AM »
may na suggest to diri nga pwede, "loboc choir" lang pakantahon sa lupang hinirang, nakadungog nako aning grupoha sa balita diri sa davao... maayo daw ning grupoha kay bisan asa na nag abot-abot... kini na lang siguro sila pakantahon ni pakyaw... pakyawon lang gud niyang  pamasahe :D charter jet bitaw na ilang sakyan... daug man gyod japon ni's pakyaw bisan kinsay kontra... dapat pangitaan nila ni'g ngilngig sab nga kalaban nga apelyido "Inadlaw"....  nindot paminawon "pakyaw vs. inadlaw"..... ;D ;D

anyway, kung acapella... wa gyod nuon ning marching tone unless otherwise it will be rendered  with full accompaniments/ orchestra..... gastos gyod dako ani's pakyaw kay banda naman.... makadaginot nuon tong isa lang mokanta... kana lang andam gyod ka's mga batikos nga wala'g tuo..hahahaha.... normal gyod ng mga kritico.. kung wala ni.. di moabot ug pila ka "pages" ning nga topic  :D :D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #80 on: March 18, 2010, 09:04:47 AM »
korek, korek, korek!

mingaw jud ta diri ug wa tay debatehan.

maayo gani ning mga nanggi debatehay diri kay di manawaing...

naabut na gud ni Tyson  and mga suggestions sa mo kanta!!

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« Reply #81 on: March 18, 2010, 10:05:50 AM »
F**k you NHI! To Hell with you TEDDY ATIENZA!

There's nothing wrong with the anthem on the way that Arnel Pineda and the rest of the singers sang it. We all knew it was from their hearts that they have sang it. There was no disrespect from them. For them, it was a very great opportunity to have given the task to sing it to the whole world. Why do you NHI, TEDDY BOOTY, dig on this very little issue. Kung buot hunahunaon there where a lot of times that we failed to respect the Philippine National antheme. One of these many times is when we tried to pull some good people down just because of some little change of notes. How pathetic! Our Philippine Hero (Manny Pacquiao) has achieved another milestone for his career and the milestone of every Filipino to whom one should be proud of. We are all Filipinos for Christ sake... we deserve a better criticism rather than that TEDDY! Anhi ug Bohol di ba ihigot tika sa flagpole! s

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #82 on: March 18, 2010, 10:09:59 AM »
naa sad ko nabasahan sa ubang palasyo nga si Predi Rots nalang daw pakantahon sunod!

haskang katawa nako noon!

hahahhaha!

hahhah
sakto duet sila si mommy Di

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« Reply #83 on: March 18, 2010, 10:17:46 AM »
Kon ang pagkayabag sa pagkanta sa Lupang Hinirang
mahimong entrance fee sa pagkapreso, unsa pa kaha
ang dili pagkanta sa Lupang Hinirang?

This may be offensive to any member of Jehovah's Witnesses.
But we just talk it positively here your views of the national anthem,
nothing personal, nothing bad in mind for me, magtatanong lang po.

I just want to know, why is the Jehovah's Witnesses
members will not sing the national anthem nor recite
the Panatang Makabayan.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2010, 10:47:30 AM »
Kon ang pagkayabag sa pagkanta sa Lupang Hinirang
mahimong entrance fee sa pagkapreso, unsa pa kaha
ang dili pagkanta sa Lupang Hinirang?

This may be offensive to any member of Jehovah's Witnesses.
But we just talk it positively here your views of the national anthem,
nothing personal, nothing bad in mind for me, magtatanong lang po.

I just want to know, why is the Jehovah's Witnesses
members will not sing the national anthem nor recite
the Panatang Makabayan.


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hala maniid daw ko sa ila simbahan diri beh! hehehhe!

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2010, 11:24:22 AM »
Penida sang it heartily. The change  of prolong  voice in the last note does not change totally the  meaning of the Lupang Hinirang. Thus, he can not be sued in court for that cause alone.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2010, 11:32:29 AM »

really Gwarggie? i didnt know that!

mao nay klaro nga separation of God and the State! 

hala maniid daw ko sa ila simbahan diri beh! hehehhe!

naa sigi diri pangimbitar sa ila simbahan, tan awon nako...



mdb, kadaghan na ko naka sulod sa simbahan sa mga JW's...wa gyuy mokanta sa Lupang Hinirang,
sama ra sab gud sa simbahang katoliko nga wa puy mag litaniya ug Lupang Hinirang....hehehehe

Pero basin sakto sab si bai Gwargz, ang akong first degree cousin nga JW's member akong mahinumduman nga di to moapil sa flag ceremony..
unsay rason?.....wa ko kahibawo ;D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2010, 11:37:02 AM »
 Naa koy classmate sa high school nga JW, pero mokanta man siya inig flag ceremony namo. Kon sa simbahan sila dili mokanta, sukad sukad wapa ko kasimba nga manganta ta una ug national anthem before ang mesa...

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2010, 12:06:03 PM »
Penida sang it heartily. The change  of prolong  voice in the last note does not change totally the  meaning of the Lupang Hinirang. Thus, he can not be sued in court for that cause alone.


very good point sir.



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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2010, 01:10:22 PM »
mdb, kadaghan na ko naka sulod sa simbahan sa mga JW's...wa gyuy mokanta sa Lupang Hinirang,
sama ra sab gud sa simbahang katoliko nga wa puy mag litaniya ug Lupang Hinirang....hehehehe

Pero basin sakto sab si bai Gwargz, ang akong first degree cousin nga JW's member akong mahinumduman nga di to moapil sa flag ceremony..
unsay rason?.....wa ko kahibawo ;D

feeling ko lang (ikog man mangutana sa friend nga jw nga tighatod nako sa ilang publications) di gyod allowed sa ilaha, inside their church or out.  sa catholic church, wa may rason nga kantahon ang lupang hinirang inside, ug wa pod ko kadungog nga gidili.  masaypan lang gyod hinoon kang katok kung mokanta kag ahat ani.  pero di man tingali ka prisohon o benditahan kay sukwahi sa gusto sa ginoo ang imong pagkanta.  siguroa lang jud nga wa kay tapad nga taga-nhi. 

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #90 on: March 18, 2010, 01:12:00 PM »
KSP lang ning taga NHI, they just want to be recognized to pretend that
they're doing something, ayyyyyyy ang pinoy tawun.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2010, 01:48:57 PM »
... siguroa lang jud nga wa kay tapad nga taga-nhi...

mao... mao... mao...

NHI = Nawong'g Himantayon Intawon

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2010, 02:07:42 PM »
KSP lang ning taga NHI, they just want to be recognized to pretend that
they're doing something, ayyyyyyy ang pinoy tawun.
btaw mao nah..

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2010, 02:14:11 PM »

This may be offensive to any member of Jehovah's Witnesses.
But we just talk it positively here your views of the national anthem,
nothing personal, nothing bad in mind for me, magtatanong lang po.

I just want to know, why is the Jehovah's Witnesses
members will not sing the national anthem nor recite
the Panatang Makabayan.

Basic tenet sa JWs ang separation of the flock from the sinful secular world--as represented, I suppose, by national governments as we know them. Sa ato pa, they don't recognize temporal authorities (except their own). Mao nga dili sila mo-salute sa flag, dili mokantag any national anthem in the world. Dili pud ni sila mobotar--so segurado kong way JWs among the many scurrilous members of TB nga nanggilalis kinsay mas hawod sa ilang mga kandidato... ;D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2010, 04:48:14 PM »
Basic tenet sa JWs ang separation of the flock from the sinful secular world--as represented, I suppose, by national governments as we know them. Sa ato pa, they don't recognize temporal authorities (except their own). Mao nga dili sila mo-salute sa flag, dili mokantag any national anthem in the world. Dili pud ni sila mobotar--so segurado kong way JWs among the many scurrilous members of TB nga nanggilalis kinsay mas hawod sa ilang mga kandidato... ;D

Bay Hubs... fellow TB members..

tinuod ba gud ning mga JWs, di gyod mo salute sa flag ug mokanta ug national anthem?... I understand wa man gyoy national anthem nga kantahon in any church related activities, before & after even in Catholic, wa koy nadumduman ... what I mean, outside the church related activities, see, in the school or government offices, are they (JWs) not doing that?... just asking.... basically, that's the primary obligation being Filipino Citizen, our national identity,  to sing the national anthem, to salute the flag... If so,does it mean, wa poy sundalo nga JWs?. ;)... 'am just asking.. tama ka Hubs.. wa pod ni sila'y kandidato.. di pod ni sila naga participate sa political arena? so kung sila pabut-on .. wa ni silay brgy capt, way mayor, way congressman.. wa tanan, unsay form sa ilang government?   ...members'  inputs is  additional info....just confused..... thanks. :) :) 

..sorry ha..naabot naman ta JWs.. between Pineda ug NHI raman unta hehehe...


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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2010, 06:51:10 PM »
sa tagalog pa .... KSP ang NHI.

korek! Ngano man kanang discrepancy sa Blood Compact wala may emek ang NHI? Kay dili man sikat ang blood compact? Asa man jud ang tinuod nga blood compact site, sa Bo-ol ba, or sa Loay? NHI should resolve this issue because the blood compact is as historical as the national anthem. 

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2010, 07:51:52 PM »
Bay Hubs... fellow TB members..

tinuod ba gud ning mga JWs, di gyod mo salute sa flag ug mokanta ug national anthem?... I understand wa man gyoy national anthem nga kantahon in any church related activities, before & after even in Catholic, wa koy nadumduman ... what I mean, outside the church related activities, see, in the school or government offices, are they (JWs) not doing that?... just asking.... basically, that's the primary obligation being Filipino Citizen, our national identity,  to sing the national anthem, to salute the flag... If so,does it mean, wa poy sundalo nga JWs?. ;)... 'am just asking.. tama ka Hubs.. wa pod ni sila'y kandidato.. di pod ni sila naga participate sa political arena? so kung sila pabut-on .. wa ni silay brgy capt, way mayor, way congressman.. wa tanan, unsay form sa ilang government?   ...members'  inputs is  additional info....just confused..... thanks. :) :) 

..sorry ha..naabot naman ta JWs.. between Pineda ug NHI raman unta hehehe...


Sori sa uban, OT na mi ani, pero just for sharing...

Not in church, of course, kay wa may flag-raising nor singing of national anthems sa simbahan. Time and again JW members in the Philippines and elsewhere get into trouble with the authorities because they teach their children not to bow to heathen idols (sorry if my language is imprecise). In fact, their activities are proscribed in many countries precisely because they insist on not serving two masters (again, sorry for the linguistic imprecision). I'm not really that familiar with this organization, but what I know is that adherents believe that the world will end soon--and perhaps that's the reason why they insist on not waste time and resources on following the earthly concerns of national governments.

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2010, 09:11:53 PM »
Sori sa uban, OT na mi ani, pero just for sharing...

Not in church, of course, kay wa may flag-raising nor singing of national anthems sa simbahan. Time and again JW members in the Philippines and elsewhere get into trouble with the authorities because they teach their children not to bow to heathen idols (sorry if my language is imprecise). In fact, their activities are proscribed in many countries precisely because they insist on not serving two masters (again, sorry for the linguistic imprecision). I'm not really that familiar with this organization, but what I know is that adherents believe that the world will end soon--and perhaps that's the reason why they insist on not waste time and resources on following the earthly concerns of national governments.


See?(OT)  even them people are confused like some of ours. Kay as i can remember, the last time the JW knocked my door and tried to discuss some scripture, they asked me if i believe the end of the world would , and i said "eventually will and we people are responsible for it" and they insisted that God  promised the He will protect the world from destruction. I insisted that whether we like it or not, maybe not soon but later in our several generations to come , everything will end that even prayers cant help. It is nature.

wa na mobalik!  ;D

Anyway, speaking of separation, if churches dont recite the pledge or whatever then why did they insisted the state to recite it? aguy ning balik na sad ta sa TB version ani! wrong thread... ;D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2010, 09:34:41 PM »

See?(OT)  even them people are confused like some of ours. Kay as i can remember, the last time the JW knocked my door and tried to discuss some scripture, they asked me if i believe the end of the world would , and i said "eventually will and we people are responsible for it" and they insisted that God  promised the He will protect the world from destruction. I insisted that whether we like it or not, maybe not soon but later in our several generations to come , everything will end that even prayers cant help. It is nature.

wa na mobalik!  ;D

Anyway, speaking of separation, if churches dont recite the pledge or whatever then why did they insisted the state to recite it? aguy ning balik na sad ta sa TB version ani! wrong thread... ;D

Bwahaha. Kon tagaan kog kahigayonan pagpili, imbis adto ko kastigohon sa kapuol sa Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version, bahala na lang kon pakantahon kog Bayang Magiliw unja mapriso kay jabag! Ribbet, ribbet! ;D

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Re: Arnel Pineda to be Sued by National Historical Institute
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2010, 09:47:46 PM »
Bwahaha. Kon tagaan kog kahigayonan pagpili, imbis adto ko kastigohon sa kapuol sa Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version, bahala na lang kon pakantahon kog Bayang Magiliw unja mapriso kay jabag! Ribbet, ribbet! ;D


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