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Quote from: hubag bohol on March 06, 2010, 03:06:40 PM
Ang giuntangan unsa man, gina-backhoe?

abwa, ano ang brand ng backhoe?  bought from john deer nga partner ng aboitiz nga cebuano?

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 06, 2010, 03:08:29 PM
May ara bala! Ang papel de bangko amo ang ginailo namon...

puwes, maghuwat na lang ko nga makakita ug lobot nga na-tatoo-han ug hulagway ni ninoy aquino nga naggunit sa iyahang suwang.  (peace, noynoy.)

how true.  that's why i took care to point out only those who are very ambitious and materialistic.  as for college education, they can opt for working student status.  we do not condemn the person but the act.  and that's real.

Quote from: magbalantay on March 05, 2010, 04:29:06 PM
   Kaw pud Islander, taga island jud na imo posing.....Pro very, very cute!   mura ni ug unggoy sa isla
ni-adto sa lungsod. Maski unsaon, unggoy ang hitsura gihapon. ....pro cute gud na unggoy, oh di vah

thanks, magbalantay.  once an unggoy, always an unggoy.  ako yata ang pinakaguwapong unggoy sa balat ng lupa.  

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 05, 2010, 09:03:32 PM
He he, di ba sa banwa sa amon mga Ilonggo ang kwarta ginapiko ginapala?

usaon, puro man sinsijo.  loose change, matod pa.  way bills, bwahahaha!

Quote from: benelynne on July 14, 2009, 10:20:15 PM
Di man siguro sakto nga mag-stereotype ta ug tawo, kay ang garbo mao ra bay sagad nga apan sa tawo bisag taga-asa. Tukma man ang ingon ni Grazie nga Ilonggo ang kasagara ingnon nga hambugero kay ginapala ginapiko ang kwarta kuno sa Iloilo. Ako, kusog man pud akong pagka-Ilonggo sa pikas sa akong Mama, pero the only thing I boast about is my humility.

hahaha.  it's nice to be proud that you are humble, benelynne.  i should say that you should even be proud of your writing, because truly you are one of those in tb whose grammar and syntax could pass my english classes of years past.  as for stereotypes, bad as they are, we cannot help it, sometimes.  how i hate it when my driving is credited to my gender.  at least, i never heard it said that i drive that way because i'm a bol-anon.  another stereotype:  aren't ilonggos finer and sweeter in their manners than cebuanos/boholanos, who tend to be more brusque, comparatively?  with due respect to exceptions... 

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 05, 2010, 11:27:14 PM

and yes prostitution  is not a new and i admired this kind of  vocation. It is not easy to F** someone you dont even like!  It already existed since the beginning of time. I really dont think theres something wrong with that? Would you prefer these students to STEAL ang get shot by the officers???

I WOULD DO THE SAME if i needto! so leave them alone!!!!!!

that's scary, ms. mdb.  nalipay ko nga wa ka mapugos to "do the same".  mahimo baja maglabandera o magpa-helper o maninda ug ginagmay.  mabuhi na baja ta sa ato ani.  kadaghanan, ang mo-enter aning prostitution kadtong mga ambisyosa ug ang mga apurado nga makakuha ug material comforts.  opkors, nagtangag pod silag sad stories, which by themselves are as old as time, like prostitution.  but no sad story can defend an immoral act, or what's religion for?  we need not cast the first stone, but even without stones cast, the act of prostitution was and will never be elevated to a moral ground.   

way nada,

          first things first… i now appreciate why lorenzo admires your writing.  with your logic, grammar and all, you two can certainly communicate well with each other.

          allow me to point out some things, thus:

1.  we are taking different stands.  so let’s let that be.  to each his own, as they say.  no one is correct as no one is wrong.  we both are just expressing our personal opinions.

2.  i express my personal opinions in this forum just for that--- to express.  i don’t expect anyone to be convinced with my opinions; neither should you expect anyone to be convinced with yours.  if by chance someone else does, then well and good.  but that’s about it.

3.  you believe marcos did not fool the people with martial law but the people were fooled with edsas uno and dos.

4.  you are now eating noodles and not rice because it is no longer the time of marcos’s martial law?

          now let me tackle the points one by one and let’s see if we can communicate too.  (n.b.  yours is in italics.)

This is what I said two years ago. "I did not expect Marcos will terminate Martial Law in our country in just too short a time." To change a society is not only a matter of 11, 20 or 30 years. I was very much positive that his "new society" will flourish long after his death... or even much longer to those who were younger than the generation of Marcos and Ninoy. I mean a fresh generation will emerge... as fresh as the morning sun to take over the system that maybe considered harsh to the previous generation but ideal to the new ones. This is what I was comtemplating of what the "New Society" will bring us.

          sorry that the termination of martial law vis-à-vis your expectations ran short.  no question about societal change that would take generations.  even martial law could not hurry that change, whether it was extended or not.  the so-called “new society” had its moments, until greed overtook the leaders.  sadly, marcos missed out on being another lee kuan yew.  he could have been.  but because of him, the world now has new english terms--- kleptocracy and imeldific.

          martial law had to be ended for the nation to start afresh.  as for the direction it had to take, it is up to us now.  we just have to trust ourselves once again to do the right thing.   

Take the experiences of England, Denmark and Sweden. If you look deeper into their past they can be seen as brutal countries. They oppressed their own people, but today their people are earning higher per capita than any country in the world. And with their grand pageantry especially during a royal coronation, I think of these countries as if they are still living in a fairy tale world. Hehehe.... 

   the historical experiences of the european countries you mentioned are different from the philippine historical experience.  comparison, I believe, holds no merit here as it would defy logic.  (we cannot compare cucumbers with apples.)  you’ve mentioned monarchies whose ascensions appear like fairy tales in the pictures.  we never had kings and princes, obviously.  there were official pictures though of the then first couple, the marcoses, which appeared like they were royalty--- chairs designed like thrones, sashes for the couple (what were those for?), and imelda with her tiara.  come on…   

“Some countries in Asia were trained especially by England to follow their footstep like Australia, Hongkong, Singapore and Malaysia. And to prove a point... these countries in Asia are today earning higher than the Philippines when in fact we were second to Japan economically after WW-II.”

          yes, we were second to japan economically after wwII and all the way to the early 1960s.  it was during the 21-year term of marcos that we descended to being second after bangladesh, from the bottom.

I am not of the opinion to follow a brutal system but what I am thinking of is for the Philippines to get rid of too much freedom and a free-wheeling democracy. Our system is patterned after that of the United States  and it is working very well for them but it is not working for us. The truth is; democracy in our country is beneficial only to a few like the press, the academe, the business elite and the intelligentsia but it is not working well to the vast majority.

          so did martial Law not work well for the greatest majority.  otherwise, the nation would have clamored for it to remain, no matter who called for the edsa revolt. 

          but when does freedom become too much?  maybe when there no longer is the rule of law.  fortunately, we have it.  our justice system works, imperfect as it may be, and criminals are still punished through proper procedures.  (that’s why the ampatuans are on trial.  that’s proper procedure.)  we can appreciate our freedom because it allows us to discuss this way, via tb, for one.  with martial law, this forum would not have been allowed to exist.

          meanwhile, doesn’t it seem like what works well for the u.s. and not for r.p. and what works well for England, Denmark and Sweden may not also work well for r.p.?  by the way, the only difference between those european countries and the u.s. is that the former have institutional monarchies with prime ministers who run their governments while that of the u.s. is a presidential form of government.  everything else is the same, freedom, democracy and all.   

You think Marcos was bad because he manipulated the law in his favor. But how bad if compared to EDSA I and II? The two Edsas are worse than the declaration of Martial Law! They not only manipulated the law but they also fooled the people to scream in the street for freedom and democracy when in fact during the time of Marcos the people did not go hungry. The most important to man is the democracy in his stomach. Today, rice which is our staple food is changed to noodles or worse than that; Filipinos are resorting to soup with kropeck flavor... while before during the time of Marcos we were exporting rice to other countries.

          the Filipino people, stomachs full or not, cannot be fooled into screaming in the streets for freedom and democracy if these indeed existed. 

          the export-import of rice depends on many things--- policies, law of demand and supply, the vagaries of weather included.  instant noodles didn’t exist yet in the 1980s. 

The Marcos era constitution is changed but not his PD's. Yes I agree with you that there are Marcos PD's that are repealed by the Cory administration but to be more accurate I would like to quote Atty. Manuel M. Lazaro, he said;

"Significantly, out of the 7,883 presidential issuances, only 67 PDs or less than .01 percent have either been repealed or modified. The minimal percentage of 67 PDs either repealed or modified by EO No. 187 of President Corazon Aquino were the decrees increasing the penalties for certain offenses against public order and security, e.g., PDs 38, 1735, 1834, 1974 and 1996."

Therefore 99.99% of Marcos PD's are still enforce until today.

          even if it were 100%, it still does not prove that martial law does not constitute a banana republic.  (lazaro, bless him, is a lawyer for the marcos’s plunder cases.)

And with regard to your question if; "martial law was good"... I think this is a question of politics and it can be accurately answered politically. But if you ask a personal question to the person who was a victim of Martial Law, then of course it is not good.

          the question of politics is answered by politics and, depending on which side one is on, that’s what we have been actually discussing.

more, winnie, more.  we need such insights culled from informed writers.  i, too, find villar scary. 

aguy!  gihimo mang gago ang mga taga-3rd district sa bohol ani.  unopposed?  di taga-dinha?  gikamenos na lang ba gyod pag-ayo ang mga bol-anon ani?  nganong anha man siya molansar?  he cannot win where he came from that's why he won't run there?  pasabta ra god ko.

election na gud.  kamo jud.

hinaot unta nga magpadayon na ni nga trend.  makahahadlok gyod ni si villar.  nagduhaduha pa hinoon ko ni noynoy.  kuyaw pod si mar roxas tungod ni korina.  di lalim ang batasan aning bayhana.  molabaw pa unya ni imelda.  ay, ambot.  anyway, a national leader should inspire as he leads.  it is up to him/her to get the country's best and brightest to run the daily nitty-gritty of bureaucracy.  his credibility is paramount.  noynoy may not be as inspiring as his mom, but villar is a monster of ambition.  we cannot be led by his wealth, part of which he had already spent in his quest for the land's highest office.  we can't be too sure that he won't do his damnest to get it back once he holds the reins of power.  remember c-5, for starters!  self-made man kuno siya.  no sirrreee, he is cynthia-made.  tigmo:  napalit ba kaha ang mga lakas-kampi nga nag-np sa bohol ug nakakita lag mapahiran sa hugaw sa ilang pagluib, sama sa usa ka ginganlan ug chatto?  just asking.  the ways of politics are laden with dirt.  someone in the province is holding the puppet strings.  this someone had been the ultimate slippery politician since the 1970s, when chatto and relampagos were still in high school.     

what a pity that a very qualified someone is turned down for a foreign posting because of his name.  a rose by any other name just might turn out to be a gumamela.

years ago, u.s. presidential candidate bob dole was also a problem for another middle east country, where dole also means "dick".  his name just could not see print in that country's newspapers.  in our context, it may also be very difficult for us to have in our midst an indonesian surnamed k_y_t.  (please supply the vowel a in the blanks.)  i didn't meet him, but a friend of mine tells of a time when this erudite indonesian lectured on cooperatives, and the participants kept addressing him in the open forum.  instead of simply saying "sir...", those jokesters had to say "mr. k_y_t..." which never failed to cause pandemonium.  poor guy, he must have wondered all along what was so funny.       

Quote from: magbalantay on March 03, 2010, 11:36:06 PM

     Bugs, asa ka "die"..Soloha na lang bai ...... LISURD as in difficult

yez!  live for it.  let others die if they want to.  bwahahaha!

kadiyot lang, morag nag-karaoke na man ni si statesville ug si bol-anon quo nyor?  makalingaw, the shadow of your smile...

maajo pa.  das de bes resolusyon.  aderways, maklaro ta nga nabuang sa atong gilabanan nga posibleng wa gani ta ilhi, o di ba gibayran ta ug saktong pambayad sa atong suga ug tubig, hikhikhik.  peace to one and all! 

kinataw-ag nahingo sa grabeng panuslo!

thanks for the tip on the flatulence deodorizer pad, indaymen50 (pure gold baya kanang 50).  tabangi kuno kog pangita ug deodorizer pad nga naay pataban nga silencer.  ang baho, mahimo ipasumangil sa atong tapad o atbang o sa luyo o sa baki nga naa sa atong duol, apan ang tingog di ikalimod.  makauuwaw gajod.  naa koy higala nga gakinahanglag silencer fit for a bazooka.  remember, sa baho makadagan tag palayo, apan ang tingog mogukod kanato.  

p.s.  mahimo ba kahang i-gift ang flatulence deodorizer pad?  kun bisan kinsang taga-tb makadawat, malipay ba kaha ug ipadayag sa tibuok tb world?  say n'yo?  laing tigmo, lalaki ba o babaye ang line drawing model sa flatulence deodorizer pad?  (shown in an earlier post courtesy of indaymen50.)         

katawa pod ni sa kadaghan natuslo, bwahahaha!

mas maghinam ko sa garlic flavored durian.  super!

tiban ug golyat?  ay, enter daloydoy!  (rewind... yodolad, yodolad, yodolad.)  lupad, daolydoy, lupad... sa rizal avenue... woooo, woooo... sa mambaling...woooo, woooo... sa talisay... wooo, woooo... sa minglanilla... wooo,wooo... sa naga... waaaak, waaaak!  (how is my poem, farimz?)  

kamrason pa unta kah ni miss iring sa dapit nga ma-torture kah, harvatang bay hubs.  piz!  (as in pizza, bwahahaha!)   p.s. i love cats, literally and figuratively!

well taken, WN.  but we fool ourselves by expecting overnight change.  sometimes, change takes its little, hesitant steps by a simple change of leadership. marcos was bad in that he manipulated constitutional change to allow himself to stay in power longer than the stipulated 8 years. (i should know; a relative was a concon delegate then.)  he was good in that he was conscious of his legacy.  sure, he had thousands of presidential decrees.  the subsequent administration, you say, did not change any.  we can't get too nitty-gritty by combing through thousands of decrees, some of which have been modified or have simply become moribund (i.e., PD 1396 of 1978).  we take the good and relevant, we do away with the opposite.  it might be worth noting that the marcos-era constitution itself was changed during the succeeding administration. 

martial law was good?  maybe you didn't have a relative who was arrested sans the writ of habeas corpus?  and that relative disappeared forever?  that's martial law.     

Quote from: magbalantay on February 22, 2010, 10:32:00 PM

     WELCOME...WELCOME...Islander!

thank you very much, magbalantay.  (i am enjoying the sight of your avatar.  obviously, it fits your name.)   

sa kadaghang istorya isig-kapikas, maglisod na hinoon tag tuo ni bisag kinsa.  lisod gyod diay ning moapas ug trabaho nga naay poder.  di lang mahasol sa pagpangumpanya, mahimo pa gyod nga bakakon.  slippery, paskang. 

ay, naku.  baki is frog is palaka.  nakurat gyod hinoon ko ni bay hubs.  tig-standby siya sa city hall sa tagbilaran, tungod ba kaha kay naay unggoy, o baki, o tungod ba kay aron mahilayo siya aning duha?  o nangita lang ba kaha siyag higayon nga masaypan siyang avatar o american frog?  tigmo nga makapaupaw, di ba?    peace, hubs.  consider me your new fan.  with your international expressions and yellow-green words, i cannot help but be one.

bwahahaha!  dah-oy, sahlamat nga gi-miz koh nimoh, bay hubs.  angay ka mashayod na noong araw pah ay gustoh koh talagang maging babaeh!  muchisimas gracias, mi amigoh.  my dreadlocks are yours forevah.  salahmat din sa inyoh, mdb.  finally, kabaroh moh nah akoh.

i was at home, watching tv, until the tv was turned dead because of the shooting at the tv station's main tower in manila. 

all your historical/cynical claims have basis in fact, wn and lorenzo (though it's hitting the 'nail on the head' and not the 'nail on the coffin,' please), but aren't we also helping perpetuate this system?  we vote for this same people, we behave as if we honor them (don't u.s. fil-am groups invite politicians--- as speakers, as inducting officers of organizations; think boawas of seattle and some other funny acronyms somewhere else--- and roll the red carpet for them?).  sadly, these political leaders could be mirrors of what we are.  we may deserve them even if we feel we don't.

edsa I was a nation's effort to effect change.  after 21 years, we have bent backward too long.  the process may have had its failings.  there may have been puppeteers who held the strings.  (well, who says revolutions don't have manipulators?)  the results may be disappointing as we are disappointed now.  but edsa uno at least assured us that power is still in the people. 

let the new generation learn better and effect change better.  best of all, let the new generation be better politicians than their elders.  (by the way, is jinggoy better than erap?)  

p.s.  that shooting at the tv tower in quezon city... one of the more poignant pictures of edsa I was of a dead soldier dangling from the tower.  there were two of them. the other survived; he turned out to be the brother of our neighbor.  i met him and he struck me as somewhat bonkers.  he couldn't get over the death of his buddy. 

(do you think we could have a forum such as tb if it were still marcos?  i was banned from showing up at the office for some days because i wore yellow once.)  that's why i believe edsa uno was not for nothing.     

thanks, mdb.  this islander dreams of migrating to the u.s., though.  then there would have been many of us, like-minded and like-faced immigrants, ahahay! i should have been continental by then.  no longer an islander should i be.  (but that's only a dream.  i will nevah, nevah, evah leave this place where i belong.)    

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 02, 2010, 04:16:42 PM
Oops, he he, baje jud lagi diay ka, Islander, kay hilakon man...

ajaw pagdalidali, bay hubs.  hilakon baja ang bana sa akong amiga.  unsaon, daghan mag sala.  badllongon jamo.  na, nalosi sa ijang asawa.  cry-cry dajon, bwahahaha! 

Quote from: chicogon on March 02, 2010, 07:09:39 AM
Anggid kas among silingan, ijang ngan kay Tarsius aw Tarcisio diay ahihihi 


Who's got my shades?

naordinahan na ba ni si tarcisio, chicogon?  angay baya ni siyag pre-vatican II kay naa nay built-in tonsure.

then please make us laugh at this election by having more entries in tb, jb!

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 01, 2010, 05:41:00 AM
Arang-arang kay sa tawo? Well, usahay, dili lang sa pangisip--sa hitsura pud. Bwahaha.

ahahahaha-aha-ahem.  asa man diay ka dapit nagpuyo, hubs?  bitaw, mahimong di ko nimo tubagon.  curious lang ko kay morag daghang unggoy sa inyong dapit.

i am but an itinerant troubadour.  been around the world myself.  you can be sure then that i'm based on planet earth.  

same here,mdb.  there was a tv interview of the dalai lama more than ten years ago.  nakahilak jud ko.  one of the interviewees (it was a panel of interviewees) said that we all want to be like him.  how true. 

naistiran ang beauty ko!  mas guapo lagi ni sija naho, hohoho, aw, huhuhu diay.

gikan sa love, miabot ug bujinggit
kanyahay ra, akoy miagik-ik

thanks.  and yaateeh abini (good morning in navajo.  i didn't learn navajo but i googled it and, eureka[!],  easy does it.) 

kun nagtoo ang china nga sakto sila, di unta sila mahadlok nga mahibaw-an ang ilang gibuhat.  unsaon, daghan tingalig di mao nga tinagoan, mao nga mahadlok ug usa ka tawo nga wa ganiy army intawon.

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 01, 2010, 06:06:50 PM
...don't waste time. Take everything off, pronto!

yes, and give it all to me, i mean... your money.  mao nga malas si misis, ug si ondoy wa nay mopatoo.  relax ka lang, jas.  like the breeze, that too shall pass.  find a better woman who won't betray her husband. 

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 01, 2010, 02:15:19 PM
Sori, Mr. or Ms. Islander, as the case may be. Gwapa man gud jamo ning imong avatar...

apologies well taken.  salamat jamo nga type nimo ang akong avatar.  hinaot unta nga wa kay kaila nga anggid-anggid ani.  mahiubos jud ko.  akin etoh!  my soulmate!

Quote from: ms da binsi on February 28, 2010, 11:41:43 PM


hahahha! kon maohon gi change ni Hubag imong sexual orientation? hahahhah!

bitaw tuod no?  but i don't mind going neuter in tb.

Quote from: www.tubagbohol.com on February 14, 2010, 07:48:06 AM
A group of professional people posed this question to a group of 4 to 8 year-olds: "What does love mean?"... etc.

...And the final one...

Author and lecturer Leo Buscaglia once talked about a contest he was asked to judge. The purpose of the contest was to find the most caring child.

The winner was a four year old child whose next door neighbor was an elderly gentleman who had recently lost his wife.

Upon seeing the man cry, the little boy went into the old gentleman's yard, climbed onto his lap, and just sat there.

When his Mother asked what he had said to the neighbor, the little boy said,

"Nothing, I just helped him cry."

makalingaw gyod, ug makahinuklog.  if adults had the wisdom and insight of these kids, wa na tingaliy guerra ang kalibotan, no?   

Quote from: Lorenzo on February 26, 2010, 08:21:01 PM
I'll take that into consideration. I've been planning in visiting Germany for quite some time now; its part of my plan to visit Western Europe in the not too distant future. I have been to Amsterdam (Nederlandse), Kiev (Ukraine), Odessa (Ukraine), and Moscow (Russia). The night life as well as the social life over there is indeed, intriguing. Europeans, in general, or if I may generalize about Eastern Europeans, have a very 'touchy' aura. There is very little sense of personal space, and when they speak it is to your face; as in face-to-face. ha ha ha.

I studied 6 months in Ukraine in an exchange program; those 6 months were marvelous. I toured neighboring Poland, Romania and Moldova. All of these countries were part of the greater economic sphere with Ukraine and the Russian Hegemon.

What I do miss the most is walking by the kiasks of downtown Kiev, and sitting in an unknown cafe. Bringing my book and just sitting there drinking my expressos and reading my book(s) for hours. And just see the Ukrainians walk by. Absorbing everything in. And learning how to read/understand/write in cyrillic. Truly, foreign, in all of its aspects.

Loved it.

and what language is expresso, may i ask, please?  what i know is only espresso.  yes, lorenzo, travel helps us observe and absorb other cultures.  it helps best when it humbles us.

hahay.  ngano man gyod ning magbuot man ning dagkong nasod unsay buhaton sa ubang nasod?  mora man nig naa tay dato nga kaduwa ug takyan, unya kay nakigduwa ta sa iyang kontra, hagiton na lang pod tag apil.

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 22, 2010, 09:53:36 PM

Kon mao kana, Inday,
dali diri aron kita
maglugitanay...



Welcome diay to Tubag Bohol, Inday Islander...

thanks, for the welcome, hubs.  thanks pa gyod sa imong pag-inday nako.  ahaaaaaay, sa hoyohoy gianod-anod... na, sa akong kalipay, nakabalhin kog ahat gikan sa kabukiran ngadto sa pobreng alindahaw.  naa ba kahay mosangpit ani ug rosas pandan?    

thanks for the welcome mat, hubag ug blue angel.  hinaot unta nga mabungahon ang akong pag-apil-apil sa inyong kukabildo.  pila ko ka buwan ug binasa ra sa tubag bohol, hangtod nga naka-decide ko nga moapil na lang.  bahala na lag ondoy o inday ba ko, bata ba o tiguwang, tawo ba o unggoy.  ang importante, naa man tingaliy unggoy nga mas arang-arang ug pangisip kay sa tawo.  mao nga way unggoy nga molansar.      

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 24, 2010, 09:59:36 AM
Sori diay, Day Farimz, di ko ka-comment sa imong mga balak kay di ko kasabot og Tagalog. Pwede ihubad ngadto sa Cebuano? Maghubad ka nga para sa akin...

hahaha!  makalingaw baja mong tanan.  maghubad kaha ning ipasabot ni bay hubs, o maghubag?  morag usa ray tagalog aning duha ka pulong no?

ringless sa taro?  guapo pod ni da.  galing ug naay eskinado nga bola ug ang mo-shoot eskinado pod ug utok.  

cool ka lang, arki baby.  way mobadlong nimo kon kinsa ang imong ginoo.  ngano tuod nga nadungog man nga nadato ning imong ginoo?  tingali baya ug makadato ning mga big time nga mga proyekto no?  pastilan, hasta sa phil. daily inquirer naa tawon napatik ang wrong bidding process sa panglao airport project.  diay, ayaw pod pamadlong ha?  katungod pod ni nako nga mangutana ani kay rights pod ni nako.   

well said, well put.  but it's the same old political yarn of idealism and promises.  those who know this vice-gubernatorial candidate up close know he's more prickly than what he wants people/voters to believe.  he may as well recite 'the owl is a queer bird...' 

Apan si Ondoy, ahay,
Sigeg palugit.

 

whether these accusations are true or not, it's easy to believe them when one has lost credibility.  'hello, garci' did her in.

(i've enjoyed reading tb's exchanges these past few months.  time for me to come in.)