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Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 02:27:26 PM
Nawong jud ang unahon pagtabon?

Did I get it right? Mag-unag karatil imong pares, Ms. Isle? Puti diayg itlog! Bwahaha.

di man hinoon mag-unag karatil tingali kay daghan pa man siyag salbaronon, sama sa ijang mga botelya.  nagbasin-basin lang kog masipjatan lang nijag sul-ob ang akong rasta clothes.  mora bag plan a, b, ug c, matod pa.

makahahadlok pod ang itlog nga itom, bai hubs.  abi pa lang, type ko ang century eggs.

na, hala... paglinabanay mo sa inyong mga amo.  at least klaro where you stand, you are not traitors (like your mga amo that you mutually accuse) and, best of all, you can keep your jobs or have one in case of victory.  i don't have your qualities, sad to say.  usahay birahan nako akong amo, a.k.a. akong pares opkors.  aw, naa man gihapon koy trabaho... labada, hugas ug plato, etc. 

all in the spirit of true discourse, in the world of unpalatable politics... peace, shalom, salaam!

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 01:59:40 PM
Dili kaha vampire bat imong ujab, Ms. Isle? Or worse, vampire frog!

hampasabol, bai hubs.  vampire bat magsigeg tuwad.  vampire frog no sting, gawas pa nga hingo.  as for other possibilities, aw, kasajon maghinubagay, a.

Quote from: nat-cast on March 18, 2010, 08:07:19 PM
tres kamunggay bay bugs kay ako man kanunay una modiga

ako naa sa imong lugar, mag-joker na lang ko kay mahimo pang alas!

it would be a boon if indeed relatives si ms da binsi ug bnc.  (granting of course that bnc's avatar is his own face.)  puro hitsuraan.  believable.  both coming from earth and not from mars.  

this one here nga apil-apilon agrees jud nga beauty si ms da binsi in a pleasantly tarai way.  attagirl!  bahalag sa sale imong attire, di man na sa presyo kundi sa pag-carry sa clothes.  ang kinamahalan kun isul-ob sa di angayan mabarato intawon tan-awon.  ang baratohon kun isul-ob sa uban, like ms da binsi, arang mahala na tan-awon. 

by the way, your bracelet... now i know why some of the beads in my beanie hat are missing.  gihimo diay nga anti-bad spirits anting-anting for you!
   

ugh.  truly poor self-packaging. 

count me in as a bonafide member, bitte!

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 02:31:43 PM
Babytery or adolescentery? Ang ahong nahibaw-an kay ang mahilig sa teen-ager (or DC), ang tawag dysentery!

i like that term.  sin and disease in one package.  ang saysentahon nga mo-commit ug dysentery kay type niya teenagers, angay tawgon nga cemetery.  the sin is dysentery, the person is cemetery.

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 02:29:42 PM
Taym sa, kinsay nag-ingon nga minjo si Botoy?

ang imong ikalimang asawa, hahahaha!

posible.  pero lunggoan na pod inig new administration.  usa ka paagi mao ang pag-kuha ug function, palutaw-lutawon lang hangtod mauwaw aron mo-resign na lang.  kining hangin sa politiko, paskang, labaw pa sa tipdas kon motakboy. 

mao diay niy politiko sa ato?  gubot pa sa lukot.  it remains unchanged despite the new generation of politicians and voters.  too personalized, mao nga bisan ang mga voters with their own preferences mangaway na lang pod sa ubang voters nga lahi ug preferences.  kaayo na lang unta ug ang voters na lang ang mokuha sa moral high ground.  then we can make informed choices on who we will suffer to run our local government.

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 08:32:38 AM
Here it is!



He he, tayming pa jamo ang kolor kay St. Patrick's Day ron!

goodness gracious!  naistiran ang beauty ko!

na-ultimo adios si intoy.  moral lesson:  i-drawing ang imong gusto aron di ka ma-neuter.  (hihihi, i-drawing ang tuli.)  unsaon kaha nija pagpangamoral ug baje no?  'ay lab yu inspite of, or because of my neutrality' or 'ay lab yu over my dead down under'?

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 09:19:50 AM
Mona Lisa smile bitaw, no? Pero, pwede pud nanghuboy ang simod kay bag-o lang gikulata sa ujab! Peace, Ms. Isle!

peace pod, hubag, brother.  hubag ahong baba kay bag-o pa nahong gipaak ang dunggan sa ahong ujab, which turned out to be harder than a buwad sanga!  so i carry hubag around with me.  ikaw bay hubag-hubagan, lalim ba.  (this explains my mona lisa smile, ms da binsi.  glad you like it.  i like your artistic taste!)

hopes shared here, benelynne.  if only people know who villar is, up close and personal.  i do.  he may or may not truly be a tondo boy as he pretends to be, still his character doesn't have an iota of humility which we usually equate with those of humble beginnings.  should he, heaven forbid, get to sit in the highest office of the land, we may be forced to ask for marcos's canonization because this fake tondo boy shall have outdone the late dictator to the max.  heaven help us.

Quote from: bugsay on March 18, 2010, 11:32:29 AM
mdb, kadaghan na ko naka sulod sa simbahan sa mga JW's...wa gyuy mokanta sa Lupang Hinirang,
sama ra sab gud sa simbahang katoliko nga wa puy mag litaniya ug Lupang Hinirang....hehehehe

Pero basin sakto sab si bai Gwargz, ang akong first degree cousin nga JW's member akong mahinumduman nga di to moapil sa flag ceremony..
unsay rason?.....wa ko kahibawo

feeling ko lang (ikog man mangutana sa friend nga jw nga tighatod nako sa ilang publications) di gyod allowed sa ilaha, inside their church or out.  sa catholic church, wa may rason nga kantahon ang lupang hinirang inside, ug wa pod ko kadungog nga gidili.  masaypan lang gyod hinoon kang katok kung mokanta kag ahat ani.  pero di man tingali ka prisohon o benditahan kay sukwahi sa gusto sa ginoo ang imong pagkanta.  siguroa lang jud nga wa kay tapad nga taga-nhi. 

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
Kini pud si Ms. Islander, malagmit naked ni matulog except for her beanie...

usahay, kun damanon.  at least naman, my beanie is so useful.  mahimo nakong idali ug tabon sa akong nawong in case modagan ko nga naked pagawas sa balay kun maglinog (simbako lang) ug nawa na ang akong usual rasta clothes kay nasaypan diay ug sul-ob sa akong pares.   

time sa ra gud.  adultery para ra ba na sa babaye?  kung lalaki diay, babytery o adolescentery?  mora man hinoon ug ang babaye makasala, adult pero kung ang lalaki... ahem, unsa may tawag sa inyong sala nga susama ani? 

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 09:26:19 AM
Bwahaha. Ang plastik angay lang na sa dili tinuod nga bull, or bull-bull. (Oi, lain man paminawon ning pulonga. Na hala, imbis bull, toro. Toro-toro na lang!

bull's eye, torokitok!  mahilig jud ka sa duha, bay hubs.  duha ba kaha tawon imong asawa?  adultery ra ba na, according to the bible.

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 09:08:46 AM
Ay! La estocada! 

Ay!  Estocada?  You mean the matador's coup de gras for the bull (or bullfrog in some other version)?  Aray, my apapangig is morag nawingig ni pakyaw!   

a well-researched piece by a well-informed writer.  heaven help us all.   

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 08:47:16 AM
In the context of Tubag Bohol, baki in disguise ni sija, bwahaha!

Speaking of green, Happy St. Patrick's Day, Ms. Isle! Of course, I'm sure you know that St. Patrick's Ireland is the Emerald Isle. Hey, wait a minute, you must be Irish!

An Irish Rastafarian, wow, that's cool!

and i thought all along that ours is a brown frog.  actually i'm pure boholano-filipino, until somewhere along the way our bloodline was diluted.  now i'm often asked whether i'm chinese (pekingese), japanese (spitz), german (shepherd), or english (hound).  and now you've added irish (setter) to the mix!  truth be told, i'm just your good, old trustworthy pusakal, and proud to be one.  (good-looking too, take note.)

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 18, 2010, 07:35:52 AM
naa sad ko nabasahan sa ubang palasyo nga si Predi Rots nalang daw pakantahon sunod!

haskang katawa nako noon!

hahahhaha!

hahaha!  if only for this, i would watch a pacquiao game.  tiwason na lang kaha nato.  si tyson ang pakantahon.  di gyod makareklamo ang nhi kay makaon gyod ang ilang mga dunggan. 

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 01:55:29 AM
*There is no real difference between the grass and the man who smokes it.*  ~Hubag Saint-Böhol~

the man is green, the grass is greener.  (with apologies to 'the other man's grass is always greener.')  

bitaw, unsa man ning green man, martian?

sulong, mga insurectus! 

paskang kapuliki kog pahid sa imong avatar sa akong laptop screen, mor pa.   abi nahog nasudlan ug mananap, hahaha!   abi pod nahog bayang magiliw ra nga instrumental (by the london symphony orchestra) ang makapapahawa aning kutoha.  ajaw baja ko takbuyi ha?  matinuod unja ang giingon ni ms da binsi nga kuto ang naa sa akong beautiful hair. 

ready, sing... 'land of the morning/ child of the sun returning/ with fervor burning/ thee do our souls adore...'    ikiha kaha ko nga iningles na man ang akong pagkanta sa bayang magiliw?    

Quote from: Way Nada on March 17, 2010, 07:22:45 AM
Reply:

Beth Romulo's opinion quoted by Raymond Bonner that; "her husband relied on her as a de facto vice-president." Beth Romulo was wronged and Raymond Bonner is biased by omitting the fact that the government of Marcos is parliamentary. The government of Marcos was not provided by law with a vice president because it is not presidential like the US. In case of the failing health of Marcos and he dies while in office, the government is still working headed by Prime Minister Cesar Virata. Virata will call for a national election for president.

WN

Point 1:  That’s why it’s “de facto vice-president” because the position does not exist on paper.  In function and decision-making, of course, it was Imelda.

Point 2:  And Lazaro is not biased by omitting the illegitimacy of Marcos’s continuing hold of power?  (As the Marcos’s lawyer, I wonder how much they’ve paid him.)

Point 3:  Yes (taking your supposition), again just for show, Virata would have called for a national election for president if People Power didn’t happen and Marcos’s plan pushed through.  You can be sure who will win.  Heard of the document Marcos had prepared all the way back in 1975 stipulating that Imelda succeeds him as president?  One of the documents the Marcoses left behind at the Palace when they fled in 1986 was an appointment for Imelda to succeed him.

Quote from: Way Nada on March 17, 2010, 06:46:27 AM

Lolong Lazaro is correct and according to him;

"To obliterate Marcos’ achievements/contributions from the pages of history is to distort the past and mislead the future. Succeeding administrations have employed laws and the media to destroy or consign Marcos to oblivion notwithstanding the solid achievements he erected for the good of the nation and its people. Good deeds, especially those beneficial to the nation and people, cannot be effaced or expunged. Good triumphs in the end. FM’s place in history is secure. The Marcos laws abound around us. They are embedded in our legal system. They continue to govern and guide the nation and the government functionaries. The vision and foresight of FM in law-making for governance are richly illustrated by the varied and numerous vital legal issuances."

   

Why do you think there is “hatred and they want his good deeds to be erased from the pages of history…?” when leaders with good deeds go down in history as heroes?  Why, indeed, when a real good national leader will always have the support of the many and could stand up to scrutiny without eliminating political enemies? 

Quote from: Way Nada on March 17, 2010, 06:46:27 AM
Islander,


After all you said quoting from the book or books... is there proof that Marcos plundered the Philippine treasury? Was Marcos convicted of any crime pertaining to graft and corruption? The test case was Marcos and Westinghouse Inc. v the Philippine government.       

And here I quote some more:

"When the Marcoses left the Philippines, the country was burdened with $27 billion in external debt and was in a deep economic recession.  In 1988 Marcos was indicted by a US grand jury in New York on federal racketeering charges relating to his years in office.  Before he could stand trial, however, Marcos died in Honolulu in 1989."

Here’s an analogy.  A person has been murdered.  The post-mortem shows that he has 27 stab wounds.  The murderer was never found.  It’s an unsolved murder case then.  Question:  Does it mean that no murder was committed because no one was charged of murder?

Glad you’re observant of my references and sources.  References validate one’s conclusions and analyses.  You yourself quote Lolong Lazaro (just him?) and conclude he is correct, without cross-referencing or cross-checking the facts.  Just the same, making claims of historical facts only through one’s personal perception is unreliable.
 
Marcos didn’t plunder?  Maybe the Westinghouse case was as it should be--- a technicality; he didn’t steal, he just got commissions (that ballooned the cost of the project as commissions are charged to the total project cost).  That falls under graft for a sitting official who approves the project.  (Please bother to read up on why it went to Westinghouse and what Marcos did.)

      For the benefit of Imee Marcos and for all those who may have inadvertently forgotten, the Bataan power plant is the Philippines' single biggest debt and still accounts for 5 percent of the total indebtedness of the entire country.

     Imee's father was accused of making $80 million in kickbacks on the plant, which cost three times the price of a comparable plant built by the same US company in South Korea at the time, according to the [UK newspaper], The Guardian.

     According to the respected British publication, the Bataan plant is often cited as one of the most blatant examples of a debt that should not be repaid. "First, it was a grand scheme of the late dictator that never benefited the people, and is thus an 'odious debt' under international law. Second, the children of the Philippines are being asked to pay for bribes to Marcos and excess profits of the contractor. Third, the company should take the responsibility for building a nuclear power station just 60 miles from the sprawling capital Manila, near several earthquake fault lines and at the foot of a dormant volcano," it said.

                  -Jojo Robles, Manila Standard Today, August 26, 2005

Look, I quote from newspapers too.  Cross-referencing/cross-checking of facts and figures shouldn’t be limited to books.

Quote from: Way Nada on March 17, 2010, 06:46:27 AM
Islander,


I think all the issues you raised is a rehash of the past and it is part and parcel of the Philippine "real politik". There are people who believe it and there are people who don't... because these issues are all in line with the "perspective" of the author. He has no proof or evidence that Marcos stole billions of dollars.

 

And I think too that yours is a rehash of Marcos admirers.  (p.s. Realpolitik is spelled as one word.)  But sure, that’s why we’re having this discussion because you believe in it while I don’t.  “Perspective” of authors is not based on imagination.  Authors of non-fiction books do real research that’s why these books have references at the end.

Quote from: Way Nada on March 17, 2010, 06:46:27 AM
Islander,

There is still one book left you did not try to quote against Marcos.... the Guinness Book of World Records. Everything said against Marcos is to demonize him. This is borne out of hatred and they want his good deeds to be erased from the pages of history. In the name of democracy and freedom of the press, it is easy to malign and villify Marcos or anybody. But in our system... the last bulwark of democracy is the court of law.

Thanks for reminding me of the Guinness Book of World Records.  It’s truly advisable to have some bases for one’s decisions, you know.  We can’t just trust our imaginations or wishful hopes.  

aw, wa jud ko ka-get ana nga dajeg diay ang gikinahanglan.  abi nakog pahungaw lang ni sa ijang kahiubos. 

Quote from: bol-anon nga cebuano on March 16, 2010, 01:08:23 AM
madam bambi, as what i had read from history books and other related articles. most of the countries who somewhat imposed martial in their countrie before became progressive countries.

hello, bnc.  sa ako pong nabasa, tinuod, pero dili tanan.  example na ang cambodia.  ug pinas opkors.  naa poy lain-laing klase nga martial law.  military junta nga klaro sa cambodia, pareha sa chile sa una.  sa ato, civilian dictatorship supported by the military.  nagpaka-aron-ingnon ang atoa kay di na man gustong manaog si lolo makoy.  diha na man sa pagkasakit niya nga nag-andam siyag kasulatan nga i-turnover niya kang imelda ang poder. 

para nako, morag lisod pag-conclude nga martial law ang nakapalambo atong mga malamboon nga nasod nga nakaagig martial law.  the same reasoning can be used for the opposite--- nanglambo pod ang mga nasod nga wa makaagig martial law, ug mas daghan pa ni sila.         

klaroha na lang kuno ninjo og baki ba injong ipuli.  kun lisod, i volunteer my beauty!

truly real dark.  mora nag nasilihan akong mata sa kahadlok palandungon.  ambot, anus-a pa kaha tawon ta makakat-on.  lahi na man unta ang generation karon, naa na man untay mga bag-ong botante.  maybe there is still hope?  i mean, banat, noynoy, banat! 

sukad karon, mahadlok na gyod ko mokanta sa atong bayang magiliw.  natural ang akong pagkayabag.  ikiha ba pod ko tungod kay di mao akong tono? 

ang star-spangled banner sa u.s. gigamit sa unang panahon sa rock opera nga 'hair'.  if i remember right, naay mga lines sa u.s. national anthem nga gigamit sa kanta.  maajo kay wa makiha ang composer, lyricist, ug singers ato. 

wa man pod tingaliy nikiha ni wonder woman nga u.s. flag man intawon ang iyang costume nga morag bathing suit.  pasuwaya si darna ug gamit ug bathing suit nga ang design philippine flag, tingalig ma-calaboose siya sa ato. 

while the nhi must carry out its duties, there's got to be some limit on how far it could go in the matter of implementation.  the spirit of the law as against the letter of the law, matod pa.  di sapajan nga morag inquisition. 

kanyahay ra usahay tawgon hinoon na sila ug national hysterical institute.   

hello, frog lovers.  mosaliat ko, ha?  with your permission---

usahay ra ba, ning baki frog prince diay.  kana kun mosukol mog hawok.

usahay pod, naay baki ng prince diay sa una.  kana kun kinsay mohawok.  

so tulo ra gyod ang klase sa baki:  frog prince, prince frog, ug frog frog.  take your pick!

solution sa vagina dentata, in case ang mga macho makatunong intawon:  paliti dayon ug regalo ang baje ug item nga gitawag ug dentata toothbrasum. additional safety measure: anti-tetanus vaccination.  for her, for him.  no greater love hath been born...

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Quote from: aquarius on March 16, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
Islander...


hahahaha.... problema guihapon kung kahoy isumpay kay sa sige humol humol mogabok guihapon... pwede siguro puthaw, weldingon lang..hahahaha...

sakto tuod.  ang apan lang, arang luoja sa pag-welding.  motipas unja, sa bogan mataod, my goodness.  papilion pa jud ka sa shop--- oro, plata, mata?  sigurohon lang gyod nga oro, aron di matay-an.  unya, di na mistah ang tawag kundi--- the man with the golden gun. 

kahoy, aquarius, kahoy.

hahaha!  at least, sayop og sajop, nagamit nimo, bai hubs.  naklaro imong pagka-mestizo ani da.  the idiom?  allow me my two-cents' worth:  you nailed the coffin to my head.

kana diay imong feet, ms da binsi, are those for dancing (ice dancing?  figure skating?  ballet?  tango?  lambada?) or are they for kickboxing?  just asking.  mora man god ug makawingig.  kinahanglan wa gyoy magpabuing-bu**** dinha kay, nah!

hehehe.  i have hair fit for karapata.  kuto bites not so damaging.  karapata, whew, morag dracula.  that's what my hair is for.  (takes six months for it to be combed again.  saves me a good number of trips to the beauty parlor, aw, beauty spa diay.)

hahaha!   at least shure ko nga naay motambayayong sa akong pagpanaw.  thanks, tubagbohol.  and thanks, ms da binsi and bai hubag, for calling me ms isle.  class, klasmets.

hahaha!   glad the headlines weren't that way.  ahat unyag kadaghan ang mga screaming fairies from our ranks.  simbako!  thanks for the insights, chig.

Quote from: grazie7y on March 15, 2010, 10:57:30 PM
It's gone now, Islander. Salamat sa pag inform. Yeah, the pictures posted were so disgusting!

and thanks for your quick attention, grazie7y, ms da binsi, etc.  (for a while there i thought i was going to have a heart attack.  haaaaay!) 

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 16, 2010, 11:57:10 AM
Bwahaha. Hadlok tingali ang arresting team, basin ninja tong Hapona!

take your pick:  nagtakoban ba kaha to nga si michelangelo, raphael, donatello, o si leonardo tong ilang gisulong?  o si master splinter ba hinoon?  

i'll look at the bright side:  maayo na lang kay di usa ka battalion ang misulong ug wa gyoy backhoe nga gigamit.    

Quote from: benelynne on March 16, 2010, 10:42:10 AM
This does seem like an overkill. After all, it's unlikely the Japanese guy was armed. In many countries, this offense would fall under the category of "civil cases" and would not merit such a high-powered operation.  The SWAT team just perhaps received their training completion certificate and needed a practicum.

Quote from: benelynne on March 16, 2010, 11:10:47 AM
I just surveyed today's crime headlines in Japan and there does seem to be a conscious editorial effort not to mention the nationality of an offender in the headline but identify him instead by his work, purpose or the nature of his violation.

For instance, a New Zealander who was apprehended for jumping on a whaling ship is reported, Detained Activist Says He Boarded Whaling Ship to Arrest Captain.

The news of an American who runs an English school and was arrested for child pornography is headlined, English School Manager Indicted for Filming Child Porn.

On the other hand, crimes of US military personnel are identified as such even in headlines, Two US Marines Arrested in Okinawa over Drunken Driving.

There does seem to be varying standards on what constitutes discrimination. While Japan meticulously avoids abrading the sensibilities of compatriots of apprehended criminals, it routinely publishes nationality, age and gender requirements for job adverts (which is banned in other countries).

If I were the editor, the headline for this article should perhaps read, Bigamist Deported for Visa Fraud. The main offense of the foreigner as far as the Philippine government is concerned is visa fraud. Bigamy, which can be proven only in his country of origin, is a civil offense for which he is answerable to his own government.

whew!  this is what you'd call 'hitting the nail right on the head'.  kudos for sense and sensibility.  

and i hope yours isn't a generalization too, chicogon.

(thanks for the tip on dreamworks' patalastas.)

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 16, 2010, 10:02:32 AM
From the factual clubbing of bigamy to the fanciful trumpeting of charity! What a journey, bwahaha!

bay hubs, with due respect, trumpeting i believe isn't so apt.  the trumpeteer's real identity isn't there for everyone to know anyway, so the sound may just fall on equally unidentified deaf ears.

jelly bean is simply lamenting the fact that when foreigners commit crimes they are front page headlines in our local papers while those who do good are hardly accorded even a burial in the inside pages.  and she/he is right, generally speaking. 

your fan,

islander

and this one's for laughs, if i may---

imagine also how our macho fil-am brothers would have felt if hasty generalizations apply in the u.s. in the case of the unlamented andrew cunanan.  (remember?)  what if it were said that, with exceptions of course (the usual apology), fil-am machos tend to be gay gigolos?

ugh.  (with due respect to gianni versace... and to all of you there, fil-am machos.  this is just that, a mere supposition.  what disappoints or hurts jelly bean could disappoint and hurt us too.) 

as for generalizations of stereotypes against foreigners, please accept my apologies and plea for understanding, jelly bean.  give us time.  we've been down; now we have nowhere to go but up, in terms of urbanization and being urbane and just about everything else.  nations tend to correct themselves in progression.  it must have been unthinkable for american southern belles before not to have slaves fan them during summers.  let it be said that in my country owning slaves isn't part of our dark (no pun intended) heritage, thankfully. 

but then again i feel your pain (with apologies to bill clinton).  imagine how i felt when i came across a statement of marlon brando years ago, and i was nowhere near the u.s. at that time, "that they are not wily, like the filipinos," when he apologized for a racial slur he made against jews.

Quote from: JellyBean on March 16, 2010, 03:10:42 AM
Foreigner rapist in Philippines front page news here.

But if a Filipino raping in his own countryman  it goes to back pages in the indicrete section of any newspaper tabloid, and why is that? Some publishers will not even print it if it is about a Filipino due to sensitivity of his own race but has no problem printing the news if it involves not from his own race. How unfair is that?

etc...It gets sort of confussing to be specific or to generalize?........LOL!

Okay let's say your a mexican National living in States in some city newspapers it would be titled "24 year old male suspect......" no country of origin mentioned. First paragraph would say Dark comlected male aged 24 years of Hispanic origin and not just say he is from mexico when he could be from gautemala.

i do sympathize with you, jellybean, as i try to get through the forest of your posts. 

a very advanced country in the middle east has among its media policies (which the media council guards zealously in its self-regulation) the stipulation that news releases on crimes and accidents should not include specific names, nationality, religion, and pictures.  they call it in keeping with respect for human dignity. 

i go for it.  maybe it's one of the reasons why no media practitioner is killed there and, if i'm not mistaken, the average number of cases of libel filed in a year against media practitioners totals a staggering two, in the whole country.  that country, strangely, ranks much higher than the philippines in terms of press freedom, according to a ranking made by reporters without borders.     

this teacher negates the very ideals of a forum. grow up, sir.

gesundheit!  so why don't we ask a priest, not just any priest but a priest who specializes in bible studies, a bible scholar for this study?  how come one presumes to be the teacher here who brooks no opposition, doesn't want to be questioned, unilaterally erases entries that displease him, and reportedly bans contributors he deems have blasphemed?  he is teacher, judge, and executioner, all at once.    

unsa may diperensiya sa korambos ug timbayayong, bai hubs?  mahimo bang moingon nga magkorambosay ta sa atong pagtimbayayong?

here are hopes that the names of the politicians involved are revealed soon.  this is terrifying news.  money can buy politicians, sure, but must drug lords lord it over our politicians?  quo vadis, pinas?

payt, jules.  pakamatyi gyod si aumentado.

paging ms. da binsi!  please save tubagbohol from a pedophile!  name's overiolve.  he is inundating this forum with "sexy" pics of kids!

paging ms. da binsi!  morag naay nakasulod nga pedophile sa tubagbohol.  and he's spreading his horror!  name's overiolve.  please save this forum by exorcising him!

nah!  daghan na meh! 

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Kanay practical! Sleeping naked!

practical pod ka, hubs?  basin dunay egg cancer?

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 14, 2010, 09:42:37 AM
I highly suggest reading Bonner's, Waltzing With A Dictator: The Marcoses and The Making of American Policy (1988); Romulo's, Inside the Palace: The Rise and Fall of Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos (1987), and Gleek's, President Marcos and the Philippine Political Culture (1988).

Thanks for your very helpful reading suggestions.  Let me share with you excerpts/reviews of the books you mentioned.

“Rarely, if ever, in history have so few stolen so much from so many.” 
-excerpt from Raymond Bonner’s Waltzing With A Dictator:  The Marcoses and The Making of American Policy, Vintage, 1988

“In a unique position to observe the Marcos regime and their private lives, Romulo (The Manila Hotel, etc.), wife of Philippine foreign minister Carlos P. Romulo, portrays the Marcoses as a powerful and greedy political team, surrounded by sycophants and jetset friends, who exploited a still feudal society with a corrupt patronage system. While Imelda was noted for her lavish and frivolous lifestyle, the author emphasizes that her husband relied on her as a de facto vice-president to whom, as his health failed, he accorded increasing authority, sending her on missions that she combined with mammoth shopping sprees. In this gossipy, meaty expose, studded with frank appraisals of public figures, the author contrasts the glamorous life of the privileged few, which she admittedly enjoyed, with the dire poverty of the Philippine people. Her eyewitness account of the disintegration and toppling of the regime after Benigno Aquino's murder confirms other such reports.”
-excerpt from Editorial Review, Publishers Weekly, on Beth Day Romulo's Inside the Palace: The Rise and Fall of Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos , Putnam, 1987

“The Philippine political culture is a personalistic but violent, religious but superstitious, corrupt but tolerant, hierarchical but distributionist, solicitous of form but not of content, legalistic, but careless of equity, media-obsessed and nationalistically vociferous with respect to rights but negligent to obligations.”
-summary of the limitations of Philippine political culture by Lewis E. Gleeck, American observer, diplomat and historian, in his book President Marcos and the Philippine Political Culture, Cellar Book Shop, 1988

Just some more reasons for my distaste of our Martial Law years.

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 14, 2010, 09:45:45 AM
You did not answer my original question:
Has there really been change? The poor remain poor and the rich remain rich. And the greed of politicians continue to rule the day.

Apparently, you did not understand my answer.  Please read my post again.  After which, mind answering the question contained in that part of my post you quoted?

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 14, 2010, 09:26:58 AM
In the end, over 90 Republic Acts are still maintained and utilized to this day.

Then there must be no end because these Republic Acts are still being used today, unless Siquijor disappears from the map.  Thank heavens for legislators.  

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 14, 2010, 09:24:09 AM
Well written, Way Nada.

I second the emotion.

Quote from: nat-cast on March 14, 2010, 08:10:36 PM
plain ignorance?

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 08:43:27 PM
Bwahaha! Either that, or complicated incompetence!

Hahaha some more.   I like both your concise posts.  Just let me apologize because I still have to answer WN and Lorenzo, lengthily, after I'm done with my week's family laundry and weekend general house cleaning.

Ugh.  My avatar says it all.  (Help me, Help us.) 

Apart from those who have already been rendered extinct, there are also some more humans, myself included, who run the risk of becoming extinct in tubagbohol if cancellation of posts and banning are left to one person. 

As primate cousins are threatened with extinction and in need of help by institutional policies because no one-man team can do it, so should this forum have policies implemented not by one person but by the management team as a whole.

With due respect to tubagbohol, I remain

An islander 

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 03:26:08 PM

I can surely do that with a shot of PENTOBARBITAL, Islander.

OT: have you seen the documentary about a terminally ill patient who  had an assisted suicide/ mercy killing in Switzerland? using pentobarbital? he just went to a deep sleep and never woke up. I watched the whole thing and it has changed my view of DEATH.

ill PM the title to you soon. nalimot ko sa title. I hope i could still see this post tomorrow. gotta go to bed.

goodnight.

Goodnight too.  After Pacquiao's victory, you in the US could truly use some sleep. 

Hope you will still be around.  This forum will lose much of its interesting ideas without ms da binsi and hubag.  Too bad we can no longer hear from Lawrence. (music background, military taps, "Day Is Done")  

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 03:04:33 PM
I will give you some bucks if you can answer that question...would u dare?

I'll settle for dimes by keeping quiet.  And I'll also settle for this:  Qui sine peccato est vestrum primus lapidem mittat.  And that's from the Bible.

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
You won't be hanged, drawn, and quartered, Ms. Isle, don't worry...









You will be burned at the stake!

Then I must beg someone to shoot me first.  Being burned at the stake is slow and painful... 

I enjoyed reading the entries in this forum for almost a year before I decided to join.  My knowledge about how this forum operates is next to nothing.  I've some idea about banning and having one's posts erased though.  As there are more than one administrators (including the enjoyable-to-read ms da binsi), shouldn't banning or erasing be decided jointly and severally?  

It doesn't bode well for this forum's track if it evolves into some people's vehicle for a long and winding ego trip.  

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 14, 2010, 02:20:54 PM

Lawrence was banned by Lorenzo since Lorenzo can't answer Lawrence's questions and even erased his posts just for Himself (Lorenzo) to look good.

Lawrence was banned with a reason: Blasphemy to God. Which I believe wasnt.  Lawrence was only asking Lorenzo about some inquiry about God and Faith which is in fact the main thought of this topic.

Now how can we justify if everything is already erased???

And I thought this forum is for expressing different thoughts and ideas and not for some members who think highly of themselves as authorities on everything.  Ugh!  So who decides who has blasphemed, or sinned? 

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 02:30:13 PM
Oh, my God! Torquemada lives again! 

Oh, my God!  I didn't join this forum to be quartered!

o, sige, mo-quote na ko, doblehon pa:

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. (Matthew, 7:5)

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. (Matthew, 7:6)


tagsa-tagsa na lang ta ug hunahuna kung kinsa o unsa ang pearls ug kinsa o unsa ang swine, tubag bohol version.

gusto unta ko sa field of music, not as a music teacher but as a composer like andrew lloyd weber.  unsaon, mas angay man diay kong paapilon sa phantom of the opera, kanang tig-abli sa kurtina.  di gyod mahimong composer kay wa man kunoy diperensiya ang akong do, re ug mi, so mantinir na lang kog gamay nga kaadman sa gitara ug sa violin.  ang akong ginitarahan, gikataw-an sa akong pares.  ang akong tokar sa violin, giduyogan ug owang sa among iro.  magluto na lang kog binignit oy.      

ang lobot ba ang mohapdos ?

abno pa sa unggoy nga pareha nako.  at least,makatarong pa kog panudlay ug makapili ug kawo nga ngilngig ug color scheme.  ang mobotar ni villar?   deep breathly, they are as bind as a blat!  p.s. mas kujaw baja sijag asawa.

mireklamo akong pares nga kapila na kuno siya makig-istorya nako unya tarong pa kong motubag.  nahinanok na diay kuno ko and was on auto pilot.  wa gyod hinoon koy kalibotan.  kahibawo hinoon ko nga damanonon ko, sama sa akong igsoon sa una nga gidaman unya akong gibinuangan ug pangutana kinsay iyang oyab.  maru sad.  gitubag man lang kog samok kuno ko. 

the devil can quote the bible too.  peace, brothers and sisters.  bless you.  (p.s. i wonder why lawrence is suddenly silent?)

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 13, 2010, 06:55:29 AM
How about the temptation to dominate the rest of creation?

yeah.  i'm curious too because there seems to be someone who wants to dominate the rest of creation.  lawrence, where are you?

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 12, 2010, 07:31:33 AM
And in my personal opinion, the very notion of continuous People's Power is a failed concept. The French made this known in the repudiation of Marat as well as Max Robespierre during the waning days of the French Revolution. And in the end, it is the plethoric masses that are utilized by the rich elite, under the banner of change. Has there really been change? The poor remain poor and the rich remain rich. And the greed of politicians continue to rule the day.

Thanks for your personal opinion.  This one is mine:

By the very nature of upheavals, some lives are sacrificed.  (“Revolution is like Saturn, it devours its own children.”  Die Revolution ist wie Saturn, sie frißt ihre eignen Kinder. - Danton’s Death, Act I, by Georg Büchner [1813â€"1837], German dramatist and revolutionary)

Marat and Robespierre abused their time in power by eliminating counterrevolutionaries, both real and imagined.  (Lucky us, Marcos and Imelda didn’t meet the fate of Romania’s Ceaucescu and his wife Elena.)  This dark chapter of the French Revolution and the succeeding wars do not necessarily negate what eventually became the current French republic.

As in the time of Marcos, not all poor remained poor.  Manny Villar passes himself off as the poor Tondo boy who made good and became very, very rich.  And stories of riches to rags never abate.  Some people are bound to be greedy, whether they’re politicians or not, Marcos’s time or not.

If Marcos stabilized the Republic, how come your family left such stability and settled in the US?

As for ‘plethoric masses’, I’m just curious about this phrase of yours. 

Plethora â€" large or excessive amount or number
Masses â€" large but unspecified numbers or quantities

They seem to be one and the same.  (I understand here that by ‘mass’ you refer to people and not lumps.)

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 12, 2010, 07:31:33 AM
In my opinion, there are none after Marcos who initiated as much progress and infrastructural growth.

And none who made foreign borrowings to fund those projects (with percentages disappearing into some deep pockets to boot) enough to mess the country’s economy.  That’s not my opinion. It’s simple documented fact after legal investigations, a slew of paper trails, and scholarly analyses by experts.  (I dare not go into revisionism because, unlike you, who am I?)

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 12, 2010, 07:31:33 AM
On the notion of change; what change have we really seen? Most of the promulgations that the late Pres. Ferdinand E. Marcos are still in effect. Over 90 of his Republic Acts are still in effect, to this very day. That should not dim the brilliance of Marcos, despite claims of corruption and plunder by many of his peers, who do the same this very day.

Correction (to use your well-mannered term), Republic Acts are passed by a duly elected legislative body while promulgations are enactments, formally proclaiming a new statutory as in effect after it receives final approval.
 
With the executive (Marcos) making legislation (which would have been left to the legislative branch of government in keeping with the ideal of check and balance), the likes of you can certainly conclude that the man’s brilliance never dimmed.  (Although brilliance and inspired and honest leadership don't necessarily go hand in hand.)

Yes, those Republic Acts (or the Batas Pambansa, the name depending on the time of Marcos’s 21-year administration) are still in use, like the independence of Siquijor as a province or the implementation of the metric system in the country.

Quote from: Lorenzo on March 12, 2010, 07:31:33 AM
Islander, I am merely sharing my views in comparison and through reading reports as well as case studies regarding the Marcos Administration and from taking several classes in US Foreign Policy in my undergraduate years. Sadly I was born after Martial Law and was too young to even remember or see Marcos in the television set (I was born in the summer of 1985).

Let us just say that Marcos is admired for his actions abroad and by the Fil-Am community.

You must have had revisionist if not strange readings of reports and case studies and lessons in US foreign policy in your undergraduate years to make you conclude that Marcos was admired for his actions abroad and by the Fil-Am community.

There were demonstrations by Fil-Ams in the US in the dead of winter asking then foreign affairs committee chairman Richard Lugar to do something about the political situation in the Philippines.  

(Suggested additional light readings, for starters:  Aquino’s Philippines:  The Center Holds, Sandra Burton, Council on Foreign Relations; The Philippines Chasing Marcos’ Millions, Time Magazine, March 31, 1986)  

And maybe the following speeches (and the data they contain) were missed out in your undergraduate years?

César Gaviria Trujillo, secretary general of the Organization of American States:

Senator Lugar’s support for democracy around the world has been marked by deeds and not just words. He has observed elections in Guatemala and was co-leader of the official U.S. Election Observer Delegation in the 1986 Philippines election in which Corazon Aquino became President. In the Philippines, Senator Lugar highlighted the systematic electoral fraud committed by the Marcos regime and convinced the U.S. government to recognize Mrs. Aquino as the rightful winner.

Is this something about Marcos that Fil-Ams can admire?

Senator Richard Lugar’s tribute to Cory Aquino, 1996 Fullbright Ceremony, US Department of State:

I’ve mentioned my short tenure as chairman of the [Foreign Relations] Committee, and it was fortuitous that those were the yearsâ€"1985 and 1986â€"in which this occurred. Fairly early in 1985, we had testimony from the State Department and from our Department of Defenseâ€"conspicuous testimony by Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Armitageâ€"as they outlined growing debate within those two departments as to where our interests lay and where they ought to lie in the future. We were sensitized, both as a committee and as a Congress, and as a public, that we had some hard choices ahead of us.

What we could not have imagined was that the focus of this debate in our country might lead President Marcos to call the snap election which he did on the Brinkley program on a Sunday afternoon in November and in essence, challenged us to put up or shut up. The input of that particular program was to say, "I’m calling a special election and I ask anybody in the world who wants to come and observe itâ€"especially you people in the United States. And you will see that I’m going to win it, and I’m going to win it big, and democracy will be served." At that point, the wheels began to move in our committee and within the Reagan administration and particularly in the minds of Secretary George Shultz and of Steve Bosworth, our great ambassador out there on the point. And without going through all of the detail of what occurred, an observer group was named. I was co-chairman with John Murtha, distinguished congressman who still serves in the state of Pennsylvania.

With a host of about 30 distinguished Americans assembled to go to all parts of the Philippines, we negotiated with the Marcos administration on such things as how close we could get to the voting booths. A strange law was adopted shortly before we were underway that 150 feet would be our distance. Then we said we won’t come under those circumstances and to the end Marcos was so eager for us to come that essentially almost all of the rules and stipulations we suggested they acceded to, understanding that 30 people in the midst of that vast country were unlikely to see a whole lot. We proceeded and, in fact, had an experience that is indelible in my memory and, I think, that of our honoree today. Let me just say that the election was one in which our intelligence people told me before I went that President Aquino would be the winner if, in fact, all the votes were countedâ€"at least it was beyond what we call now in our election campaigns the margin of error. But, they indicated to me, she would not be the winner. I had to understand the realpolitik of the situation. It was simply not in the cards, given the nature of the way the election was going to be conducted, despite all of our best efforts to observe and to editorialize. And indeed, as the election approached, a very large number of people were disenfranchised and suddenly strange machinations occurred as some polls reported votes of 400 to 0 and other things to which I’ve become accustomed in some of our own elections in Indiana. We were prepared for the challenge. We were not prepared, I suspect, for the aftermath.


Without going through everything that occurred subsequently, let me just say that by Saturday President Reagan had come to a different evaluation, that the election had been fraudulent, indeed, to a grave extent and set in motion events which led to President Marcos being spirited out of the country through Hawaii and President Aquino being sworn in as president.


And the ultimate judgment of that election, by our friends not only in Asiaâ€"in South Koreaâ€"but in Latin America, was that there had been a change in our foreign policy, and President Reagan enunciated that in a speech to the Congress not long thereafter in which he said that our policy will now be to fight totalitarianism of the left and authoritarianism of the right equally, evenhandedly, bothâ€"not that one is more of a problem than the other. That was a change, and it was noted by people in Guatemala, in Nicaragua, in El Salvador, in many other places of the earth far away from the Philippines. It was certainly noted in South Korea in a hurry, and I will point out, just for the sake of historical accuracy, when I visited Indonesia later in 1986 that President Suharto sat me down and lectured me for 30 minutes on how he was a grass-roots politician, coming up through the democratic route, so we would not get any ideas while we were visiting Jakarta.


And there was Senator Paul Laxalt’s famous advice to Marcos to “cut and cut cleanly”.

Now I wonder what people “abroad and by the Fil-Am community,” to quote you, admire in Marcos.

and may the young man rest in peace in the bosom of our creator.

duda kog parat ning lollipop ni hubs, igs.  kun motilaw man galing ka, pagsiguro na lag suka nga tusloban.

vhinz 08, nalipay ko karon tungod sa imong avatar.  mosayaw kog ingon ana, sigurado jud ko nga mabali ahong bukobuko.  unsa man tuod imong sekretong abilidad nga nakapagawas ka man sa imong ikog?

LAST OF FOUR PARTS


way nada,


19.  WN (Way Nada):  The late Princess Diana's criticism of the monarchy when she was alive is a crime of treason punishable by beheading.   

Is. (islander):  in the run-up to the legal separation and eventual divorce of prince charles and princess diana, there was mention of the word ‘beheading’, credited to a british royalist who said something like “in the old days, superfluous princesses were simply beheaded”.  there was no such threat of beheading as punishment for princess diana or for anybody else accused of lese majeste. 

beheading in england as a capital punishment was officially ended in 1973.  even by then, beheading was already obsolete.  the last beheading was in 1747, with the execution of simon fraser, lord lovat, convicted of high treason. 

england abolished the death penalty altogether with the crime and disorder act of 1998.  meanwhile, all the 45 member-countries of the council of europe have abolished the death penalty.  by 2002, europe had become the only region in the world where the death penalty no longer applies.


20.  WN:  They were fooled to go out into the street to oust Erap. Erap was democratically elected president.

Is.:  a big mass of people cannot be fooled; the filipino people are no fools, unless you and i would presume that we can speak for them as we speak for ourselves.  yes, you and i could be fools, but those numbers who went to the streets?  that calls for disbelief. 

yes, erap was democratically elected, but when he was perceived (please note that in politics, perception is everything) to have abused his powers, the masses spoke.  that’s democracy of the streets, whether we like it or not.


21.  WN:  What I mean by "democracy of the stomach" is that majority of the people are not concern too much about politics but more concern on the food on the table next meal.

Is.:  a quaint term, that one, but it is easy to understand as it begs to emphasize what needs no emphasis.  who of us, really, would sacrifice our stomachs for politics?  by your definition, “democracy of the stomach” existed long before democracy itself was invented.


22.  WN:  If the export-import of rice depends on --- policies, law of demand and supply then... Marcos policy before is better than today because we were able to export, with abundant rice production because of the Masagana program of Marcos. It was also the right timing when the mass production of the famous miracle rice in the Philippines.

Today after Marcos the Philippines returns as a rice importer from Vietnam and the irony is that we backslide to the pre-Martial Law era of smuggling rice into the country when a boat load of rice was unloaded off the coast of Albur.

Is.:  granting that marcos was responsible for such miracles, what happens then to the other two factors, the law of supply and demand and the vagaries of weather?  the best of policies would be useless in this case if there’s no rice to export because there are more mouths to feed now or that production is damaged because of some force majeure.  by the way, smuggling exists at all times in any country, martial law or not, by different smugglers, and will continue to exist for as long as people give vent to their greed. 

an excerpt from Marcos’ ‘Masagana 99’ made RP rice exporter, self-sufficient (Amy R. Remo, Philippine  Daily Inquirer, 04/26/2008), quoting Rep. Salvador “Sonny” Escudero, the last agriculture minister during the marcos dictatorship:

"The secret with Masagana 99 was the very liberal credit and extension work. We provided farmers with full credit support. We were in full control of our agricultural technicians, whom we regularly educated," he said.

With this program, the Philippines experienced its highest productivity increase in local rice production from 1976 to 1985--three years after it started. 
Escudero said the P43.7-billion program, called FIELDS, announced by President Macapagal-Arroyo during the national food summit in April to boost rice production was similar to the Marcos project. FIELDS stands for fertilizers, infrastructure and irrigation, education and extension work, loans, drying and postharvest facilities, and seeds.

"There's no secret in agriculture. The programs are already there and are similar to Masagana 99. The key is adequate and timely funding," Escudero stressed. "And these funds should be maximized."

"If the P43 billion in funds allocated for the FIELDS program will be released adequately, on time, and will be maximized, I won't be surprised to find palay oozing out of our ears," he said.

and here’s another excerpt (Evangeline de Vera, Malaya, January 19, 2008):

…From 1965 to 1985, rice imports exceeded rice exports for 12 years (1965 to 1967; 1971 to 1977; and 1984 to 1985), while exports surpassed imports for nine years (1968 to 1970; and 1978 to 1983).

According to Dr. Rolando Dy, executive director of the Center for Food and Agribusiness at the University of Asia and the Pacific, this seeming uncontrolled population growth is just one of the factors why the government has difficulty attaining rice sufficiency.

"The population is growing every year, and the agriculture sector simply could not catch up. That’s why we will continue to import. It will take us sometime, at least until after 2012, before we could do that, but we have to pull our acts together and if we push for the full implementation of the AFMA," he said.

obviously, it wasn't just marcos.


WN:  The meaning of a banana republic pertains to a country with no permanent government or a government that cannot last to its prescribe term because of incessant military coup d'etat. It is called a banana republic because like banana plant when it grows it will produce banana shoots that grow strong at the side of the mother or original banana. Most of these countries are in South America. On record the highest number of coup d'etat is Bolivia.

Is.:  it is the function of language, especially a widely spoken language like english, to take on other nuances through the years.  sure, banana republic is a “country that is politically unstable and is dependent on limited agriculture (such as bananas), and ruled by a small, self-elected, wealthy, and corrupt clique”.  The term was originally used for “dictatorships that thrived on kickbacks by supporting large-scale agriculture” (like those banana plantations in central and south america).

currently, the term had also come to mean kleptocratic governments (i.e. those in positions of power use it to maximize their own gains) and the legislature is a mere rubber stamp.  in short, a failed state.

here are other salient realities of our martial law years:  the chief executive assumed absolute legislative powers; the batasang pambansa, the name of the unicameral legislative body, was perceived as a rubber stamp (there was a token opposition, foremost of which was the pusyon bisaya whose members were actually powerless to oppose the sheer number of votes of the pro-administration ones), and:

2007 - In September the Transparency International estimate of the amount embezzled by Marcos is quoted in a report by the Stolen Assets Recovery Initiative, a joint venture of the World Bank and the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime.

According to the report, “The channels whereby the money was allegedly stolen were diverse, including the takeover of private companies; creation of monopolies for sugar, coconuts, shipping, construction, and the media; fraudulent government loans; bribes from companies; and skimming off foreign loans and raiding the public treasury. ”       
                     
                                                    -(excerpts from Independence, Dictatorship, and People Power, emphasis mine)

thus was another aspect of a functioning state absent during martial law--- accountability.  bananas, anyone?  (look at my avatar!)   


24.  WN:  Marcos government was stable for 21 years and no off shoot government grew at its side. Unlike the Cory government which experience the Manila Hotel capers with the late Arturo Tolentino proclaimed himself as the president and Gringo Honasan's numerous coup d'etats the Cory government looks more a banana republic.

The GMA government is worse because she was exercising the power of the president as an usurper.  Why?  Because Erap the duly elected president of the Philippines is alive who chose to be persecuted politically rather than go into exile.

Is.:  and marcos was not a usurper?  please note:

1971 - At a constitutional convention opposition delegates introduce a provision to prevent Marcos from remaining as head of state or government once his second term as president has expired.  Marcos succeeds in having the ban overturned the following year.

1972 - Using the excuse of an alleged assassination attempt against Defence Minister Juan Ponce Enrile, Marcos declares martial law on 21 September, promising to eliminate poverty and injustice and create a "new society."  It is later revealed that the assassination attempt had been staged by the military.

Opposition figures (including Benigno 'Ninoy' Aquino), journalists, student and labor activists and criminals are arrested and detained at military compounds run by the army and the police.  Newspapers are closed and the mass media tightly controlled. Demonstrations, strikes and boycotts are outlawed.  Marcos assumes absolute legislative power.  The constitution, which permits presidents only two terms in office, is suspended.

1976 - The constitution is amended further to allow Marcos to continue to rule by decree even after the lifting of martial law.

                                             -(excerpts from Independence, Dictatorship, and People Power; emphasis mine)

there goes the primary function of presidential decrees.  how stable can such a government be?

further:

“Marcos might not be one of the all-time killers but he is certainly one of the biggest thieves in the history of the planet. Estimates of his ill-gotten gains range from US$3 billion to US$35 billion. Some suggest that the true amount is over US$100 billion, perhaps even trillions of dollars.

While these latter sums may he fanciful, the legacy of the Marcos dictatorship is all too real--- an economy struggling just to pay the interest on its foreign debt and a seriously compromised democracy seemingly unable to shake off entrenched corruption.  Witness the debacle of the Estrada presidency.  It took Marcos 20 years to pillage and wreck the Philippines. Unfortunately it may take far longer for the damage to be undone.”

                                  -(excerpts from Comparative Studies in Freedom, emphasis mine)


(Is., in an earlier post: “ the question of politics is answered by politics and, depending on which side one is on, that’s what we have been actually discussing.”)


25.  WN:  I agree!

Is.:  so do i! 

as i believe that we are not in the midst of an argumentum ad hominem, a toast then to argumentum ad nauseam!


islander

(THIRD OF FOUR PARTS)


way nada,


13.  WN (Way Nada):  Freedom becomes too much when you shout inside a movie house of fire when there is no fire. And when a journalist accepts bribe from an oppositionist to report of an unproven anomaly or reporting of corruption when clearly the journalist has no evidence to prove it then; it is abuse of freedom of the press.

Journalists today are likely to be assassinated doing their job than the practice of journalism during the time of Marcos. Seldom do we hear of reports about killing of journalists in countries like; Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, East timor, Laos, Samoa, Tonga, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Thailand and Fiji. These countries like the government of Marcos before are adapting a parliamentary form of government. 

The Ampatuans are on trial because there is a glaring evidence that they killed journalists but those accused by journalists in their reports in the papers as corrupt are not on trial, Why? The answer is because their allegation cannot stand in a court of law, but only a part and parcel of the real politik in our country. This is the reason why they become victims of an assassin's bullet.

It is on record that the Philippines has a high incident of journalists assassinated because of their profession. Does the record proved that freedom of the press is exercised in our country freely or they are killed because they lacked the most important journalistic etiquette... which is responsible reporting.     

Is. (islander):  someone who shouts ‘fire’ in a movie house even if there’s no fire invites the penalty of arresto menor for public disturbance and, depending on the damage of his act, risks charges ranging from misdemeanor to felony, which means no one is free to shout a false alarm. 

any journalist worth his salt will tell us that he only reports what is there.  journalists are news reporters/broadcasters/writers, not newsmakers.  whether the record of killed journalists proves that freedom of the press is exercised in our country or not depends on one’s perspective.  the “killers” kill because they believe they’re justified to silence journalists forever; journalists believe they’re exercising responsible reporting (what journalist would say he isn’t?) in their risky profession in which their lives may just be sacrificed.  that’s perspective. 

those unfortunate journalists in the ampatuan massacre were killed not because they were primarily journalists, i suppose, but because they were in the line of fire in a deadly political rivalry where witnesses to the crime were considered a bane and had to be silenced forever.  as a parallel, most of the women in that massacre were wives.  there are no statistics for wives killed; there are for journalists. 

meanwhile, here’s some kind of footnote to those martial law years (aside from the excerpts of Ninotchka Rosca’s lecture in no. 4 of this posting)--- a review of the book Conjugal Dictatorship (1976) by Primitivo Mijares, national press club president at that time:

“Primitivo "Tibo" Mijares tells it as it is during the time he was way in with the "in" crowd of Malacanang Palace during the perilous days leading up to and during martial law.  Mijares was then president of the National Press Club of the Philippines and was responsible for most of the propaganda work leading up to the declaration of Martial Law in 1972.  Mijares was privy to important meetings and decisions made by Marcos and was one of the few people Marcos trusted when it came to media.

This book is more than just an insider's look into the happenings inside Malacanang Palace during the regime of Ferdinand Marcos, but also speaks of the tug-of-war of emotions within Mijares.  Ultimately, in the end, Mijares' conscience got the better of him and he fled to the United States to testify against Marcos at the US Congress.  He disappeared shortly after, and was never heard from again.  His son was also killed by alleged henchmen of the dictatorship.”

i repeat, there was no freedom of the press during martial law.


14.  WN:  You believe that in our country the "rule of law" is alive and thriving. If so, Erap as a post-Marcos president is a product of the belief in Edsa, so why forced him out of power if there is a rule of law? Erap was elected overwhelmingly through the will of the people in an election. The ousting of Erap from the presidency is contrary to the tenet of democracy. You can not see the rule of law there but clearly it is mob rule.

Is.:  the ouster of one president who had allegedly plundered the country’s treasury does not constitute an absence of the rule of law. 

it seems that after marcos, accusations of plunder against someone sitting in the highest office of the land is enough to mobilize large crowds for a mass protest.   

(mobocracy â€" mob rule or ochlocracy; a government by mob or a mass of people)

unlikeable as they may seem, the administration that took over after erap’s ouster wasn’t the mass of people.  the mass of people went home and went on with their lives.


15.  WN:  Our government is patterned after that of the us and it's not working well for us because of cultural differences. We are onion skin that we easily succumbed to criticism or we cannot take in too much abuse from the press. In the US criticism is a right and it is ingrained already in the system. The Americans value more their freedom than anything else. We don't... those who believe that they are free to express their opinion are killed as I have explained the issue above.

Is.:  would that our “onion skin” be shed off simply by emulating the british system and those of other countries that you’ve mentioned.  i can’t imagine us valuing our freedom less than the americans, though.  let’s take both of us; we are expressing our opinions and are free to do so, as we are doing it now in tb.  will we be killed?   


16.  WN:  But what works well for England, Denmark and Sweden, I believe they are adaptable to the Filipinos. Which is why my point of making Australia, Singapore and Malaysia as our mirror for emulation as their system is a pattern of the British.

The US is a republican state with the president as head of state with three branches in government. The US is adapting a capitalist economic system. This is why it's called capitalist democracy. It is totally different from England, Denmark and Sweden because these countries are called socialist democracy. They have monarchs as head of state and they are a socialist state partly adapting the Marxist principle in economics. 

Is.:

Democracy â€" a government in which power is invested in the people as a whole, usually exercised on their behalf by elected representatives

Capitalism â€" an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit

Socialism- political system of communal ownership; typically advocates an end to private property and the exploitation of workers

Marxism- political and economic theories in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in western societies (books:  Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, in partnership with Friedrich Engels)


western europe certainly has more of the socialist democratic economy as compared to that of the u.s. and canada.  it isn’t socialist democracy in the strictest sense of the phrase, though, because private property exists.  generally, the exploitation of workers has been eradicated. 

european countries are known for their generous social safety nets compared to other countries elsewhere, including the u.s.  maybe this is what you meant by their having a socialist democracy.

as in anywhere else, any system has thrusts and intentions that are meant to work for the common good.  the enforcement of these parameters is another matter.  we can only hope that what works for europe works of us.  otherwise, we have no basis for concluding that it could or couldn’t.

today’s monarchies in the countries you’ve mentioned are ceremonial heads of state.  the running of their government is left to parliament, with the prime minister as head.  their governments remain democracies, not monarchies.   


17.  WN:  Let us focus our attention on the British system because this is the country that the Americans revolted. Here are their differences; If the US and the Philippines have the right to suffrage, in England and Australia suffrage is not a right but a duty. In law the only person who has the right is the king. The people's right to freedom of speech is unabridge by law, in the US and the Philippines

Is.:  there’s no difference, really.  our own right of suffrage is also our duty, as it is in the u.s.  (for every right, we have a concomitant responsibility.)  and there’s no such law, anywhere, that only the king has the right, as you say.  as for the “people’s right to freedom of speech” being “unabridged by law in the US and the Philippines”, surely, you must have heard of libel cases.  that’s one of the ways our laws and that of the u.s. “abridge” freedom of speech.   

by the way, zimbabwe with dictator robert mugabe at the helm has also a british legacy. 


18.  WN: ...but in England and Australia you have no right to criticize the monarch and its system.  Criticism today against the government is tolerated but the law still remains.

Is.:  there’s no monarch in australia.  as a former colony of great britain, it is just a member of the commonwealth of nations (previously named the british commonwealth) whose members total 54 sovereign states, most of which were former british colonies or dependencies of those colonies.  malaysia is also a member.  so are rwanda and zimbabwe.  the latter, currently with a runaway inflation, has dictator robert mugabe. 

everyone can criticize the monarch in england (the anti-monarchists are alive and well and vocal), and all laws anywhere in the civilized world remain unless otherwise reversed or amended through a legislative process.



islander

(SECOND OF FOUR PARTS)


way nada,


7.  WN (Way Nada):  Is there something to disagree with that idea?

Is. (islander):  nothing to disagree with that idea of yours, really, especially when you quote marcos as saying his was a ‘smiling martial law’.  (did i ever disagree with you?)  there’s nothing to believe in, either, from the historical perspective.  (nothing personal, truly.)  

and there’s nothing to smile about with this:

1973 - A new constitution allowing Marcos to stay in office indefinitely and to rule by decree is introduced.  The result is confirmed by a fraudulent referendum enabling him to continue as president until the end of martial law and to arbitrarily appoint all government officials, including members of the judiciary.  Imelda Marcos is made governor of Manila and minister of human settlements and ecology.

Political prisoners are routinely tortured by the military. "Disappearances" and murders of suspected political activists are common, with over 500 cases being recorded for the period 1975-80.  Meanwhile, inflation and unemployment rise while already low living standards drop.

The brutality of the regime and the stagnating economy cause may Filipinos to turn to the communists for protection and support.

                                   -(excerpts from Independence, Dictatorship, and People Power; emphasis mine)

these are established documentations of those years, based on records and proper research and not someone’s wishful thinking.  our recent history simply proves that marcos’s martial law was not beneficial to the country.


8.  WN:  Before Martial Law we were second to Japan with an economy based on agriculture. When Martial Law was declared and Marcos adapted an authoritarian form of government, he started to industrialize the country. To attract investments, he put up the Export Processing Zone Authority [EPZA] and develop and promote agricultural products, by creating the National Irrigation Administration.

Marcos caused the acquisition of Filoil and changed its name to Petron and made it the biggest oil company of the country. To protect the Philippines from the rising price of oil, he established the Oil Price Stabilization Fund.[OPSF] A form of subsidy to protect consumers. Marcos also controlled the price of commodities. Through the establishment of the PSC or Price Stablization Council simple folks can buy commodity needs at reasonable price. The price of rice per kilo was sold at low price at every Kadiwa store.

Our car industry and the initial manufacture of Ford Fiera, Toyota Tamaraw, Mitsubishi Cimmaron and Volkswagen Sakbayan   were the mainstay of the Philippine industrialization. After he left office the leaders who preceded him bankrupted the economy. And the program of the car industry in our country, because it was started by Marcos was sidelined and investors transferred the program to Malaysia and Indonesia. Only the Toyota Tamaraw is left in the Philippines.

Is.:  true, true.  but:

Martial law initially brings stability and an economic turnaround but with the costs of reduced social freedoms and increasing corruption.  Limited land reforms are introduced but prove ineffective.  Manufacturing and business enterprises are nationalized or handed to Marcos's cronies or relatives.  Profits are siphoned off for personal enrichment and mismanagement is rife.                                                                                                    
                                          -(excerpts from Independence, Dictatorship, and People Power; emphasis mine)


9.   WN:  The specialty hospitals of the Philippines, like the Lung Center, Philippine Heart Center, Kidney Center, Philippine Children’s Center, were his response to public health. Sadly, after more than 20 years of Marcos departure, no specialty hospital of consequence has been established.

Is.:  why add some more when these ‘specialty hospitals’, as you call them, are already there?  more so when until now our country is paying for the loans made to finance those structures?  isn’t it more commonsensical to just fully utilize what are already existing rather than borrow some more from foreign creditors and deplete the country’s coffers some more, the way the marcoses did to fund their grandiose show windows?  by the way, the term “edifice complex” bestowed on imelda was not for nothing.


10.  WN:  Yes, the authoritarian regime of Marcos worked well for the greater good to the greatest number of Filipinos. My reason is this; during the time of Marcos Filipinos do not have to go abroad to look for a job. The jobs in the Middle East then, was not an economic solution, but a solution to give more employment to the Filipinos.

Is.:  filipino migration for jobs abroad started in 1906.  the number increased greatly in the 1960s.  we had a young new president then on whom our country pinned so much hopes.  during his tenure of 21 years, the country’s foreign debts ballooned and the economy worsened.  this was when filipinos began their job diaspora in droves.  the trend hasn’t stopped decades after as the country hasn’t gotten out of the morass of those foreign debts.
 

11.  WN:  Marcos signed PD's that were favorable for foreign investors which is why there were many export processing zones that were established in our country... Mactan in Cebu, Morong in Bataan and Baguio city.

Marcos caused the establishment of Offshore-Banking System in the Philippines thus upgrading the banking system and invite foreign banks to do business in the Philippines under certain incentives and guarantees.

There is no more clamor for his return, he is dead already but there are political sounds echoeing for the return of Marcos parliamentary form of government through charter change.[cha-cha] According to a study in UP the Marcos decrees and edicts that are deemed beneficial to the Filipino people are the OPSF or the law subsidizing the price of oil and the Price Control Law through the Price Stabilization Council which control the price of prime commodity in the market.  

Is.:  yes, as dictated by the world bank and the international monetary fund (IMF) as preconditions for loans.  thus:

“Companies importing capital goods could expect approval of foreign loans only if their production processes were geared to exports, decreed the Central Bank.” (Robin Broad and John Cavanagh, Unequal Alliance, University of California Press, 1987)

and this says it all:

As opportunities for profit in the Third World dwindled, transnational banks and corporations refocused their sights back on the developed world.  Four years as the lead international institution in this era of debt crisis management left the IMF almost universally despised across the Southâ€"and nearly broke.  So, the next heir to the international debt and development management throne was anointed: the World Bank, which (with U.S. government blessing) chose structural adjustment of the Philippine variety as its cure-all.

The model, Philippines, having been opened up to the world economy in new and expanded ways in the early 1980s through the structural adjustment process, fared among the worst of the debtor nations.  Internal corruption and cronyism combined with collapsing export earnings to plunge the country into deep economic and then political crisis.  Only those Filipinos who managed to salt dollars away abroad through secret and often illegal capital flight seemed able to avoid the worst of this all-encompassing crisis.                                                            
Indeed, in many respects, the one relic of value that a fleeing Ferdinand Marcos left his successor was a negative example: a two-decade blueprint for guaranteed economic disaster. There was much to learn from studying Marcos's mistakes.  For in the failure of Marcos, the World Bank, and the IMF lay important lessons that might be applied to another approach to developmentâ€"one placing people before the market. (Robin Broad and John Cavanagh, Unequal Alliance, University of California Press, 1987; emphasis mine)


12.  WN:  Marcos adapted the French style strong president government but his authoritarian power is British like; Amendment no. VI in the constitution.

Is.:   the 1976 sixth amendment to the 1973 constitution authorized the chief executive to legislate, as follows: “Whenever in the judgment of the President there exists a grave emergency or a threat or imminence thereof, or whenever the Interim Batasang Pambansa or the regular National Assembly fails or is unable to act adequately on any matter for any reason that in his judgment requires immediate action, he may, in order to meet the exigency, issue the necessary decrees, orders or letters of instructions, which shall form part of the law of the land.”

i’m curious as to what’s french and british about it.  (n.b.: the british government is not authoritarian.)





islander

(FIRST OF FOUR PARTS)

way nada,

1.  WN (Way Nada):  Ok... let's try.

Is. (islander):   nice try.  let’s try some more.  


2.  WN:  Martial Law could have continued for up to 30 or 50 years or more. I think at this span of time anti Marcos and those who are opposed to Martial Law might have been dead already. When that happen another fresh leaders with new outlook in governance will takeover the rein of government. Marcos fault is that he did not sustain his New society in an unbroken pace until the time there is change in our society.    

Is.:   could have continued, but couldn’t, and didn’t.  martial law anywhere in the world is only a temporary palliative that everybody hates except those who are in power.  

your supposition presumes that those who are opposed to martial law will die before marcos.  as marcos was born in 1917, oppositionists at his age level and older may have been of a negligible number by the time the country’s martial law was on its way out.  (it had to be ended in 1982 as a concession to pope john paul II’s visit.)  

meanwhile, there were those of the generation next to his, like the students at the time who, in the natural course of things, made pretty obvious who’s bound to die first.  they were the most rabid and vocal oppositionists.  (modern world history shows that revolutions of the masses against the established order start with students, i.e., from france in 1776 to prague’s velvet revolution and the color revolutions in a number of countries.)  

another presumption here is that martial law will lead to a change in our society.  it did change, for the worse.  

presumptions of this kind that tend to confirm the consequent to be true when it is still to be proved are nothing but hypothetical; they make a basis out of something that is as yet unestablished.  meanwhile, there were those who lived through martial law and suffered, a fact which is clearly established.

just because we are dissatisfied and disaffected by what’s around us now doesn’t prove that martial law and the so-called ‘new society’ would have been better.

levity aside, here’s a piece of recorded history of those times:

1969 - Marcos wins a second four-year term as president.  He is the first president to be reelected in the short history of Philippine democracy.  However, growth slows and quality of life begins to deteriorate. Violence and crime begin to become everyday occurrences. The Communist Party of the Philippines (CPP) starts to make inroads in the provinces, with its military wing, the New People's Army (NPA) spreading across the archipelago.

On the southern island of Mindanao, Muslim secessionists organize under the banner of the Moro National Liberation Front (MNLF).  In August Marcos launches major military campaigns against the NPA and MNLF.

1970 - Social unrest continues to build.  Student demonstrators attempt to storm the Malacanang Palace, the presidential mansion, on 30 January.  Manila and other large cities are rocked by random bombings.  Marcos blames leftists and suspends habeas corpus in August 1971, a prelude to martial law.

                                 -(excerpts from Independence, Dictatorship, and People Power; emphasis mine)


3.  WN:  The progress of Australia, Malaysia and Singapore is a mirror for us to see that in an authoritarian system with soft dictatorship progress is fast. Marcos adapted a government with a soft dictatorship because his Martial Law regime did not employ military brass at its bureaucratic level. Marcos let the civilian government functioned.

Is.:   we must have been reading different books and news sources.  australia and malaysia never had dictatorships.  (mahathir bin mohamad served for 22 years as prime minister, voted into office by the parliament without changing the constitution.  some analysts believe he wanted to become a dictator by changing an article of their constitution so that the judiciary will fall under his control.  he did not succeed.)  

i did mention earlier that marcos missed the chance of becoming another lee kuan yew whose leadership paved the way for  singapore’s economic miracle.  lee didn’t plunder his city-state, he knew when to step down, and he retired as a respected elder statesman.  as for marcos’s ‘soft dictatorship’, here’s one for the record:

The armed forces are politicized.  Officers from Marcos’s home province are promoted to high rank.  A childhood friend of Marcos becomes chief-of-staff of the armed forces and head of the internal security network.  Officers are appointed to manage several corporations and the military is ordered to take control of all public utilities and the media.  The size of the army is also increased, with numbers swelling from about 58,000 in 1971 to 142,000 in 1983.

The military has virtually unlimited powers to search, arrest and detain civilians without reason and without recourse to legal representation.  Military tribunals are set up throughout the country to try and sentence detainees.  The civilian courts are stripped of their power and autonomy, and the Philippine police force is placed under military control.  It is estimated that more than 60,000 people are arrested between 1972 and 1977.  

                                     -(excerpts from Independence, Dictatorship, and People Power; emphasis mine)


4.  WN:  Marcos fault was when he shortened his authoritarian regime and tolerated the free press it became his own pitfall. The people are not yet well educated in what kind of society he's bringing and then he tried to change horses in midstream that is why he failed.

Is.:   His fault was to start an authoritarian regime, which did not tolerate a free press.

1972 â€" Opposition figures (including Benigno ‘Ninoy’ Aquino), journalists, student and labor activists and criminals are arrested and detained at military compounds run by the army and the police.  Newspapers are closed and the mass media tightly controlled.  Demonstrations, strikes and boycotts are outlawed.  Marcos assumes absolute legislative power.  The constitution, which permits presidents only two terms in office, is suspended.

                                     -(excerpts from Independence, Dictatorship, and People Power; emphasis mine)


“On media ownership in the Philippines, which includes, she said, rich families and their cronies, such as Romualdez, Marcos, Cojuangco, Prieto, Lopez, among others:  â€˜Structurally, the ownership of all these major newspapers (and broadcast media) is geared towards the ruling class of the Philippines.  So ownership is the first restriction on press freedom.  And if owners of a newspaper or publication happen to run counter to the dominant bias of the (ruling class) culture, then the owners are going to be in great trouble.’

She noted, as an example, the arrest and incarceration in 1969 of The Dumaguete Times editor and staffers â€" among them Hermie and Mila Garcia of Toronto’s The Philippine Reporter â€" who exposed the landgrabbing abuses by hacenderos in Negros Oriental.  The Garcias, as well as Balita publisher and editor, Ruben Cusipag, and Rosca herself were among the hundreds of journalists and writers critical of the Marcos dictatorship who were jailed in detention centers during martial law.”  

                                       -(excerpts from a press release on Ninotchka Rosca’s lecture, 2005, emphasis mine)


5.  WN:  Our political past is comparable to that of the European countries. We experience kings and princes before. Is it not true that there were tribal kingdoms in the Philippines before the coming of the Spaniards? Like the kingdom of Rajah Soliman of Manila or the Kingdom of Rajah Humabon of Cebu.

Is.:   the “kings” that we had when the spaniards came were but tribal leaders, not national leaders.  They were called “rajah” after the maharajahs of india (as influenced by pre-colonial traders of hindu-malayan culture based in java).  it’s a thin basis for our political past as “comparable to that of european countries”.  comparable to our southeast asian neighbors, maybe, but not europe.  


6.  WN:  But that is beside the point. I am not comparing... I was only suggesting to look into the past experience of these countries I mentioned like; England, Denmark and Sweden. These countries brutalized their own people long before there was an American system of democracy.

Today the situation is reversed; once they were contesting as to who is the most brutal to their own people; Now these countries are the world's promoter of Human Rights and giving the best of comfort to their own people.

Their experience if the authoritarian regime of Marcos was sustained maybe we will end up living in a world of fairy tale like them also. To repeat... I am not suggesting to follow their brutal past. Anyway Marcos said that his Martial Law is a smiling Martial Law.

Is.:   yes, it took a thousand years for europeans to slaughter each other and end up in modern times as having one of the most civilized and civil societies.  we cannot even compare ourselves to their brutal past which we do not share.  how much more can our political past be comparable to theirs?  you’re right.  this truly is beside the point.  

what is clear about european history is that things got worse before they got better.  our own country could be taking the same course.  it takes time to get better.  



islander

assured, rasta no nasta.  are you, mistah?

naay nag-advise naho nga maayo lang gamiton ang scarf kun wa kay kontra o wa kay utang kay sajon ra ka guyuron kun magkalisod.   

TULIling, yungit nga turiring.  si bay hubs tuod, ang nakalilibang ba, igsu sa taliban?

hey, you all!  you talkin' 'bout me?  unggoy tuod kog nawong, pero tawo baja ang mitaban nako.  baji pa jud.  and look at my attire.  it's cool, or my name's not rasta.   

nakakaaliw kayong tanan.  eto, tumutulo (ang luha ko) sa katatawa.  nahisalaag ang thread sa dalaga noon at ngayon, lumiko sa tagalig, dumugtong si raquel proud sa kanyang kasarapan, saan ito hahantong?  sa lubnganan sa tinoli?  i mean, tinola (nga isdang dubok)?

go ahead, ms. mdb, go ahead.  barogi ang pilipinhong bilahan nga wa ipatara og bitay.  magpili ba diay sila ug unsay angay i-overnight.  abi na lang kay way bilahan ang sapatos... karon, di natubag na nimo ang tigmo ni bay hubag.  bibig diay nga vertical, dili ang horizontal, harharhar!  (angay pod tingali silihan ang mga torotot nga nagkadiin-diin lag pataka ug panghilabot ug mga lain-laing bibig.  kapuliki gyog dagan si ondoy,  )

Quote from: lucio on March 05, 2010, 10:11:02 AM
hubagbohol, ang atong panglihok kasagaran maga agad sumala sa atong panghuna-huna.

usahay pod, ang tuo nga kamot wa makahibawo unsay gibuhat sa wala nga kamot.

duda kog kapila na na mabokol si hubag sa ijang wify.  his name is not for nothing.  peace, bay hubs, hoboy, botoy, hubagito gwapito!

Quote from: vhinz08 on March 04, 2010, 06:26:25 PM
ops. na ulahi ko kay akong gibasa gikan sa uno ug ngano ning threada gi-nganlag "mga tula ni farimz"
ako diay e welcome ning author ani nga thread si Farimz, "bem-vindo"   welcome  ms. Farimz ug sa atong bag ong kauban nga si Islander, maayong pag-abot diri  sa pahulayan sa mga Bolanon hinaut nga maka kutlo kamo ug mga kamunggay este hamugaway nga mga pagbati pinaagi sa pag basa diri sa mga forum nga inyong makat-unan ug masayran pinaagi usab sa atong mga kaubang magtatampo sa ilang mga experyensa mga talento ug dala napod ang mga pagbati nga gikan sa kinahilabman sa ilang kasingkasing.  Sa maka usa mo-ingon ako kaninyo welcome and Happy surfing @TB.   

daghang salamat, vhinz08, sa imong kinasingkasing nga pag-abiabi ni ms. farimz ug kanako.  makalipay gajod ning naa tay makaila sa hunahuna nga gipakapinan ug pagbati, bisan tuod ug di nato kaila, o di tingali makaila, ang hulagway ug tinuod nga ngan sa atong mga kauban ug kukabildo.  kontento na ko nga makaambit sa mga hunahuna sa mga magtatampo dinhi sa tb.  makatabang, makalingaw, makahinuklog.  ug makapalupad sa atong hunahuna.