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Quote from: hubag bohol on October 03, 2010, 06:45:36 PM
Hmm. Naa ba ni equivalent sa imong mother tongue?

naa.  kini: ngiaowwwww!

kanunay.  last year pa hinoon ko nakakat-on. 

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 03, 2010, 05:30:31 PM
Gikadenahan ang nawong sa kangitngit
Sa nagmaskarang hunghong nga pait-pait
Sa giugom nga itlog sa pakigdait.

nagping-it ang nawong sa gikadenahan
sa nakigdait sa itlog nga sigeg panghayhay
mora kunog tinumban mao nga way hinungdan
di malimod nga bugok diay matod pa ni inday
nga nagmahay sa iyang kapalaran.

makatoo ko ana kun amish ang hisgotan.  makaibog baya ang ilang kinabuhi, horse-drawn carts and all.  luoy pod hinoon ang kabayo... ug wa sad ko masayod ug modawat ba na silag converts nga di white race.
if memory serves me right, germanium ang ilang kagikan.  saksto ba?

off to bed i go.  di na ko kaantos ug parok-parok.  nayt-nayt.  ayo-ayo diha ug movie viewing, rhinestone cowboy.  regards kuno, ingon si mamma mia.   over and out...     

Quote from: lumine on October 03, 2010, 12:18:00 AM
sa flemish side ako husband,isles.

interesting kay morag french ang apelyido unya more dutch man diay mo nga side.  that is, if my understanding of the flemish-waloon difference is correct.

Quote from: lumine on October 03, 2010, 12:13:53 AM
he wasn't feeling well that's why he wasn't smiling or enjoying his party,isles.

no prob.  kalooy pod diay tawon.  anyways, bisan nagmugtok, cute gihapon.

Quote from: bugsay on October 03, 2010, 12:08:46 AM
ayy...sorry...nayayay diay si banana?....nasobrahan seguro........sa trabaho?

di tawon no?  naintan, nauwanan kay wa masira ang bintana sa awto kay naungot, unya nalabihan ug exercise kay gusto laging mogamay ang tiyan, na, tua.  ikaw, katug na.  salig ka kay taas-taas inyong holidays?  nagpanghipi ang hilanat sa eskina... buyag.

Quote from: Scarb on October 03, 2010, 12:07:35 AM
Oh je, gute besserung republic chiquita...

danke schon, meine germanium!

Quote from: Scarb on October 03, 2010, 12:00:19 AM
Ah gikan ko sa amoa
ang sapa gaulbo ulbo
   kay ang pinatubo mobuto
     gilabang ko tongod kanimo,,
   Sa ka tin-aw sa sapa
     dunay two gaduka
       galantaw sa imo hulagway
          na makuha,
wa ba moy sigarelyo diha? 

okay ra marlboro lights?

Quote from: bugsay on October 03, 2010, 12:01:34 AM
...way gusto'ng matulog?

gaparok-parok na ko pero ako usang huwaton kutob sa maantos ining mga matang nabudlat na sa computer kun unsay dagan sa hilanat ni banana republic.

Quote from: Scarb on October 02, 2010, 11:51:33 PM
Philgium (Phils.-Belgium) correction pls..


Ah gilabaylabayan nako ni nga thread ky nag focus kos Marginet..kaingon nako baje nga actress nga wla ko kaila..sowe..whoa..!


Happy³ Birthday..baby nga daku na ron.."Matt"..muaah³-lavouh

thanks, scarbzy migs.  philgium, hihihi.  maayo kay di belgippines. 

so, matt marginet, whether you are on the flemish or waloon side of belgium, we're proud that half of you is filipino!

Quote from: www.tubagbohol.com on October 01, 2010, 12:43:29 PM
With the theme for this year’s creative writing contest is "I Dream of a Better Philippines," contestants must write a poem or essay looking forward to a positive future in anticipation of the 2010 elections.

what's this?  it's october now, way past the may elections...

Quote from: Scarb on October 02, 2010, 11:41:44 PM
Kaingon nako kadto film ni A.Seyfried whop§

(kring..calling²..ops wrong number) 

si mamma mia akong lost and found puppy.  (pictures at photo of your pets thread.)  she's a great puppy.

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on October 02, 2010, 11:24:31 PM
Grave digger jud ka Toy kay maayo ka mangoykoy ug karaang post. Wa lagi ko kaila nga embalmer dili ni common nga trabaho.

hahaha!  gravedigger si hubs?  arang saktoha gyod nimo, raqz.  bitaw, nalibog ko ani nga press release at the beginning of this thread.  mga caregivers nainteresado ug embalming?  sundon nila ang ilang gi-caregiveran?  human ug alima, inigkamatay, silay mo-embalsamar?  

style namo amen and then beso-beso.  magmug-ot ko if the kids didn't do these.

oatmeal ug kape akong midnight snacks, morag pamahaw ni bugsay.

Quote from: Scarb on October 02, 2010, 11:04:11 PM
almost² as in hapit mahurot or kombitay pa ang percentage--awooh..sowe..excusimouz,,! 

hehe, okay lang, scarbzy amorouz.  amplify and diminish, matod pa.

Quote from: Scarb on October 02, 2010, 08:28:22 PM
@ Spartybabes-Havainababes..miga dear, why-ngano apologies..you are not Cheer§..
 





are you?  

i'm not, huhuhu ,.  scarbzy migs, warum?  i am what i am, to quote popeye the sailor man.  i don't write like cheers.  i take care of my paragraphing, huhuhu.

i apologize for others in the same manner that i paid the medical bills when our dog bit our neighbor.

Quote from: Lorenzo on October 02, 2010, 10:50:14 AM
Till next time, Isles.


Good night, good night! Parting is such sweet sorrow,
That I shall say good night till it be morrow.
(Romeo & Juliet)

"but soft! what light through yonder window breaks?
it is the east, and juliet is the sun!
arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
who is already sick and pale with grief
that thou her maid art far more fair than she."

                                  -shakespeare, romeo and juliet

hehe, mine eyes were almost blinded by perusing shakespeare many and many a year ago.  now they will be blessed with less moonbeams by computering.  far be it, though, that i be excommunicated.

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 02, 2010, 08:03:01 AM
Hmm, your banana republic, perchance? 

not him, definitely not him.  otherwise, he runs the risk of having broken bottles of wine in his collection, courtesy of me. 

"to die, to sleep--to sleep, perchance to dream,
ay, there's the rub,
for in that sleep of death what dreams may come..." (shakespeare, hamlet)

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 02, 2010, 07:45:48 AM
He he, pasagdan na lang tingali kay kon estriktohon pila na lang kaha intawoy qualified nga magpabilin...  

dapat lang.  kamo bitaw kun makapaanak sa gawas, pasagdan man sad mo ba.

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on October 02, 2010, 12:18:53 AM
... unya, unsaon man pud tong mga pari nga dili gyud mo practice og celibacy kay lagi tawo lang sila. Pagka daghan ra ba gyud. 

unsa man diay sila kadaghana?  any clear and present number?

smile, matt!  alles gute zum geburtstag!  (unsa man tuod ni si cutie matt, half-german o half-french or what?)

type ni mamma mia nga tangagon kanang gisud ug plastic bag nga pinutol nga pizot.  bantay moh, hahaha!

this beats the skull-and-crossbones design of the jolly roger flag of pirates!

Quote from: Scarb on October 02, 2010, 06:05:29 PM
What about practicality, and where the option and concept lies?

The problem lies in the misinterpretation of contraception for abortion,
    or implying that the use of contraception is synonymous with committing abortion.
       But the two are mutually exclusive.

Abortion, as defined by medical professionals, is the termination of pregnancy.
  This occurs after conception â€" after the sperm and egg meet.
      Contraception on the other hand prevents the meeting of the sperm and egg in the first place.
Its intent, therefore, is no different from natural family planning methods endorsed by the Church.

The bill endorses age-appropriate sexuality education to ensure that young Filipinos
    have the right information in matters of sex and reproductive health.
We cannot assume that upon reaching adolescence,
the young will not be curious about the workings of their body. 
The bill intends to instill values for the youth to exercise responsible decision-making with regard to their sexuality.

Aber hallo here comes the modern youngters,hey we wanna have fun but likewise a responsible one.
  The church teaches us morality and spirituality,the RH bill guide us to be more aware.
    We wanna abide both, is there a solution in between..?

my thoughts, scarbzy migs...

it looks like it's difficult to distinguish between what is practical and what choice means for the two sides.  we know that both are agreed on family planning, it is in the means that the two sides diverge.  natural as against artificial, as we all know.

the church is well aware that there are artificial contraceptives that are abortifacients (these kill the fertilized ovum).  it is also aware that millions are allegedly involved in the lobby for the passage of the rh bill. 

those big pharmaceuticals are the very sector that stands to profit most once hundreds of thousands of contraceptives are distributed for free.  these contraceptives are not donated by big pharmaceuticals.  often as not, these are paid for by our government with aid money from western countries and which we will have to pay for.  (there's no such thing as a free 'aid'.  it's always a loan in the guise of an aid, and usually the 'donor' that calls the shots includes a stipulation on population control, with specific time-bounded targets that practicality ensures can only be met by artificial means, with contraceptives bought by us from their own big pharmaceuticals.  the more our government follows this stipulation, the more will the donor release subsequent aids.  well, geopolitics equals multinational big businesses.) 

some of us with some background on big-time project proposals for funding must be aware that sometimes aid that's entered as 'cash' on paper is actually the cost of the items that are 'donated'.  heaven help us if we have to pay, because it's a loan, for contraceptives worth millions, because the donor country had already bought them for us from their own pharmaceuticals.

these are just some of the things that have to be cleared out by the two sides, i suppose, to erase the mistrust.   

lest we forget, wasn't it third world women who unwittingly became laboratory rats when the first contraceptive pills went on trial?  these were reportedly distributed first in third world countries, as aids, before these were made available in the countries that manufactured them.  all because the population of third world countries is the whipping boy of the west when it comes to poverty.  tell that to the homeless in new york.   

Quote from: jas4 on October 02, 2010, 02:48:08 PM
wow, if people support the RH bill they are sinners? nindota diay aning catholism noh? no wonder naay daghan pari ug madre nga naay mga anak even when naa pa sila sa ilang pagkapari ug pagkamadre kay against man jud sila aning RH bill.

good luck pinas.

the news item posted on this thread does not say anything about people supporting the rh bill as sinners. 

sorry to say, jas4, that your conclusion that "naay daghan pari ug madre nga naay mga anak... kay against... sila aning rh bill" stands on shaky grounds, devoid of basis and logic.  your conclusion should at least be data-based.  unsa kadaghana ang pari ug madre nga naay anak, unsay percentage in relation to the number of priests and nuns at a given time in a given place?  if you have these data rather than mere imagination and personal bias, your conclusion may at least sound credible if not believable.

kun matangtang ka sa imong trabaho diha, malipay ba kag naay moingon nga unsaon ta man, gitangtang kay kining dugo ug pilipino pareha man god ug dugo ni andrew cunanan nga gigolo nga mopatay ug datong bay0t nga versace.  that is illogical conclusion, without basis, without data.

di lang unta ta magpataka ug conclude ug way labot sa main issue as we wait for how this whole rh bill pans out, pros and cons all well-taken, civilized processes of legislation notwithstanding.
     

Quote from: fdaray on October 02, 2010, 03:02:18 PM
The Catholic Church should not interfere with this problem. Priest should be more concern to spiritual matters rather than political issues.

the catholic church must interfere with this issue (it's not a problem, yet).  both priests and laymen should be concerned with both spiritual and political issues because the two are interrelated.  can you imagine political issues that do not carry spiritual underpinnings?  it's called anarchy at its tamest form.

the piece is great, raqz.  it makes things clearer than ever.  thanks.

Quote from: bugsay on October 02, 2010, 02:31:01 PM

alas dos na ayy...naay wa pa ka nap....saputon na sab ni unya..

luoya diay ni hubag sa?  saputon kun di ka-nap...  si bulbohol kaha o si vhinz?  ikaw?  aw, mag-oatmeal ug kape ka lang, mahimo nang way nap-nap.

Quote from: cheers on October 02, 2010, 01:50:09 PM
hello naniudto pa gyud ko.... Kamo kay hilig mog kuot-kuot ako wala man ko ana suwat man ko kung naay madawat unya naay gastuhon suwat pod kay aron makabalansi ko sa mga kwarta nga mituyok sa akong panudlanan.... CHAR...  Ako bilib lang ko ninyo sa inyong koments kay na entriga gyud mo.  Apil lang gyud mo sa TBN organization and realize your dreams.... hehehehe.... CHEERS sa tanang naglibog.... Kung di pa lang bitaw unta magtuman ang mga taw sa sayop nilang prinsipyo dili unta ni mu abot sa internet.  Giunhan man ni DABIANA unya sa pagkapikon niya kay gitirahan niya ang mga BOD sa TBN nga mora nawong ug kaon ilabi na gyud akong amiga nga gamuna-muna.  Naangin lang gud siya sa mga sugo nga dili matugkad... unta ang DYRD mahigmata.... tarongon unta nila pag follow sa STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES.... ang BIR walay pili ma MEDYA ka man o OPISYAL sa goberno... kung di pa tig pataka bulala nang PRO nga DABIANA sa TBN dili ko makig lantugi niya ani. Gidaut man gud niya akong amiga manawag pa daw siya mangasaba sa akong amiga bisag alas dos sa kadlawon.  Sus ug ako ingnon ana ug usa lang ka foreigner, pastilan lupad gyud dayon sa ilang lugar ... lisud among opisina imong bangaan DABIANA .. naka minos ka sa mga PINOY.. Palaban kag taga medya...  

cool it, cool it, cheers.  refrain from personal attacks because it would get you nowhere.  show your education, not your breeding.

maayo pod ning nagbinisaya ka na kay mas masabtan ka.  (i presume that you want to be read that's why you are posting your thoughts here at tb.)  go ahead with your investigation as professionally as you can.  and share the results if you may.

sa ngadto-ngadto, mas maayo tingali nga ang imong amiga nga tbn secretary maoy imong paawayon.  siya man kahay diskumpyado.  she should not hide behind you if indeed she feels shortchanged despite her sincere efforts.

palihog, undanga na nang imong name-calling.  professional warriors bestow respect on their enemies.  dabiana?  asows.  wa ta kahibawog pareha ra mong bilbilon.  peace.  

Quote from: JellyBean on October 02, 2010, 12:58:05 PM
I have been reading some statements here and some are good and some are just making fun.

hello, jelly bean.  let me share my two-cents' worth.  i guess those you take as "just making fun" do it for a reason:  to relieve the stress of the terrible exchanges in this thread.  we are concerned, and we are sorry that such exchanges had to happen.  be assured our concept of what is right and wrong, what is proper and improper, is unchanged.

i cannot speak for the rest, but judging from what i could glean from all the posts in this thread-- and that's not easy, considering the pitfalls of miscommunication that the exchanges wrought-- most of us are thankful that someone like you is in our place to do what we cannot do either because of our distance or our different concerns.

from my end, i'm scandalized by the name-calling and personal accusations hurled against you, which have nothing to do with the main issue of auditing and taxation or whatever.  for that please accept my apologies.  

you have been misunderstood, but you have withstood the onslaught.  congratulations!  if a person is measured by the good that he has done, then as of this very moment, you hold the ascendancy.

here are hopes that the ongoing tbn investigation or auditing produce results that will bring peace.  again, thank you for being you.  have a great weekend too!
     

Quote from: bugsay on October 02, 2010, 12:38:32 PM
hehehe..mangiuwawon bitaw ni sila's camera.....mao na'ng uban nga mag maskara...

ako usa ka nagmaskara nga wa gyod tawon makadawat ug donation, bisan na lag oatmeal o kape.

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 02, 2010, 12:43:28 PM
Hmm, taym sa... Naa bay nagmaskara nga mahilig makiglantugi? 

kinsa kaha no?  kalooy sa maskara.

Quote from: bugsay on October 02, 2010, 12:44:53 PM
kadtong lawom na kaayo.....ang kasinatian sa kinabuhi...

bintaha gyod lagi ning inosente pa ta kay di ta kasabot unsay inyong ipaibot.

Quote from: kan-ogong on October 01, 2010, 08:01:04 PM
Ayon naman kay Congressnab Lagman, isa sa author ng panukalang batas, tama lang na gawin ng simbahan ang obligasyon na pangalagaan ang ispirituwal na buhay ng kaniyang mga miyembro, ngunit dapat hayaan rin ang estado na tuparin ang obligasyong pangalagaan ang populasyon.

sayon ra ni sultihon ni congressman lagman karon kay di pa man eleksyon.  nganong di angay niya ni isulti?  kay ang church and state relationship cannot be overlooked.  separated, yes.  related, much more so.  state laws are made based on spiritual values and traditions of what are right and wrong. 

a case in point:  kun naay pari nga suspect nga nakapatay, adto sa korte husayon, di ba?  di man moingon ang catholic church nga way labot ang state nila.

another case in point:  ang church wedding nagkinahanglan ug license gikan sa government.  moingon ba ang church nga di ni civil wedding mao nga way labot ang government?

naay relationship ang church and state because the two institutions are concerned with the very same people who are members of both.   

conclusion:  this congressman is an idiot.  he is going to be one of those grandstanding politicians when this rh bill issue spills over.  naghilom pa ron ang uban.  pagkuyanap ani nga issue, daghan na na sila nga mo-speech for the tv audience.  hohum. 

time for our lawmakers to have a real dialogue with church authorities to iron out issues and come up with meeting points.  (beyond the glare of media while the process is going on.  as it is, it's the media that's fanning this issue with their amplify-and-diminish reporting of facts.  remember the tourist bus hostage crisis and the role of the media in that tragedy?)    

 

Quote from: bugsay on October 02, 2010, 12:24:13 PM
ok ra'g tuplokon basta'g lumoy ang kamot sa doktor...

sure ko lumoy ang kamot ni dr. venerando pablito v. esmeringhoi.

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 02, 2010, 12:20:36 PM
Maestro na ko aning panahona...

aw, nagpabata-bata ra diay ka atong giila-ila nimong silingan namong gro?

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on October 02, 2010, 12:13:39 PM
Islander, it's my turn to say nayy nayy... ug good morning nimo

goodnight, sweet prince bqn.  may the choir of angels sing thee to thine dreams.

hasta diay ang mga gro nga mangantahay ra kinahanglan nag mga hygiene clearance?  pareha ra ba nig health permits?  na, pangayoan na diay pod karon ug health permits ang mga tigkantag videoke.  dimalasa ni bugsay.  tuplokon una ug doctor usa makakanta, araaaay.

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 01, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
He he, 1960 pa man diay ning kantaha...

di ba mao ning tuiga nga ni-graduate kag high school?

Quote from: bugsay on October 02, 2010, 10:57:49 AM
....ayp...gitangag diay sa labaw pa'ng mapahimuslanon?

tan-awa lang sa avatar kun kinsa nang iroa.

Quote from: ldumal on October 01, 2010, 04:46:39 AM
maayo na bay emong ge post nang bayong gekan sa buli, kong na-a lay supporta manga bang geitan industrialist sa ato, mahimo kini, maka export pa kita eni ug matagaan nato trabaho atong brothers and sister in christ para deli maglisod ang economiya sa ato.
Deli nato saligan ang govierno sa ato kay ang dalan s elang age walay kapuslanan gekan sa atong pagka independent nato, ngano man? tungod kay ga fabrica ang atong universidad ug abogado hangtod maabosado na ug abogago na sa tanang katawhan. deli mapuslan ning prfessiona. look it up, it doesnt need a rocket scientist to figure it out, japan , korea, china and the rest of the pacific rim countries the movers and shakers of the economy are industrialist people not the scum of the earth lawyers going full circles as a politician and politician and politician untill they die and a new breed of their kind their sons and daughters to become a lawyers and they ended up as politician again because there is no new game in town to fool around. what did the relegious faith do? BIG NOTHING. PHILIPPINES TODAY IS DIABETICALLY CORRUPT AT ALL FACETS OF SOCIAL INTERPRISE. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO WAKE UP.

tenood, mr/ms idumal.  (welcome to tb!)  ang tawong mosaleg og gobyerno mahegawad gyod kay de man matoman ang tanan neyang gosto.  cool et, lang.  karon pa ko kahebawo nga ang corrupt deay tam-es sa atoa.  bag-o pa henoon kong namata.

Quote from: bugsay on October 02, 2010, 11:11:15 AM

- nawong sa nasobrahan sa muscle control..

nawong man nag gi-constipate.  kini ang nasobrahan ug muscle control kay nahuso ang itlog.>>>

hala, mora lagi ug fried chicken wing nga tumoy ra gyod sa wing intawon.

ang babaye gyod tuod ni nga way bilbil, wa say unod, wa pa gyoy ispiritu.  bikini ra tawoy iya.

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on October 01, 2010, 10:20:31 PM

Islander, maybe this is what he meant...Tungod sa imong pagka intellegent, na beautiful kah ....hahahahaah Tulog na oi!

Quote from: Lorenzo on October 01, 2010, 10:22:18 PM

he he he he 

sigoro both: Physically beautiful and intellectually stunning. I leave it to our Isles to take it however she pleases.

ang mga kanahan bayang fil-ams nga bol-anong dagko.   hahaha, maayo ra mong pangkusniton.  nagsalig lang kay buntag pa sa ila.  yep, gtg.  it's an hour past midnight here.  o, sige, mga handsome cowboys nga nabiyaan ug kabayo, till tomorrow "...and tomorrow, and tomorrow,/ creeps in this petty pace from day to day / to the last syllable of recorded time..." (shakespeare, macbeth)

   

Quote from: vhinz08 on October 01, 2010, 08:07:11 PM
Unsa man ning imong gihisgutang sungsong Ms. Isles nga wa may angay sungsonganan ang manhole. 

Stoper?

si hubag nga angay ug lubag sa iyang kahanggaw ang makatubag kay siyay nag-una-una aning libag.

Quote from: talibon on October 01, 2010, 09:26:22 AM
and how come there are priests who have kids?

come on, you know the answer.  it's also like asking how come there are laymen who have no kids.

the weaknesses of some in the flock who go astray need not speak for the whole church.

naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n.  tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n ba tang tanan?  abi na lang kay naay mga pilipino nga tikasan ug k-a-w-a-t-a-n, di na lang ba diay kasaligan ang tibuok nasod nga pilipinhon?

Quote from: ben on October 01, 2010, 09:23:10 AM
As with all major religions, it's a numbers game. 
I'm dubious that even the religious texts support their argument: relating it to the story Onan is arguably wrong, in that God was angry at him for spiting his brother rather than for refusing to procreate, i.e. the intent rather than the act was punished.

i take the story of onan as i take other stories in the old testament--- open to many layers of interpretations, symbolisms, lessons, fraught as the old testament stories are with the culture and tradition of a certain people in those times.

strangely, there are even those who take onan's story as an argument for the death penalty. 

yes, it's dubious.  but is this really what the catholic church is using as an argument against artificial contraception?  (if so, i haven't come across it.  i'd be glad to if only to find out how it's taken in context.)
 

Quote from: stycxxx on September 30, 2010, 12:08:50 PM
i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

why focus much on separation and not on relationship between church and state?    

"The soul of our democracy depends upon the 'iron sharpens iron' relationship between church and state." (Charles H. Darell)

Quote from: stycxxx on September 30, 2010, 11:35:46 AM
well, i know a lot of people are brainwashed by the church by giving them false hopes. there are plenty of conflicts within the bible. but we are being threatened that if we will question the integrity of the bible, we go to eternal damnation. who will not get scared of that?

the church cannot prove most, if not some, that is written in the bible, that's why they force to introduce to us what we call "faith" - just accept it as it is and no questions.

science has been in conflict with the findings and in constantly in conflict with the church. but science is in conflict with one another due to the new facts, new findings and new technology that they keep on rebutting their own conclusion. and this is one major basis of the church to deny the science' claim on how the universe was created.

aren't you also brainwashed?  against the church?

Quote from: Lorenzo on October 01, 2010, 09:48:08 PM
Not dumb, but beautiful and intelligent. Here's to a splendid weekend to us all!

hehehe, you have not seen me yet and you call me beautiful?  intelligent, aherm, maybe, though some people i'm close to are tempted to say i'm dumb.  but beautiful?  i hope it's just a hyperbole and not an oxymoron of yours, hehe , now tell me, shall i start calling you handsome?   (joke.)  have a nice weekend too.

Quote from: Lorenzo on October 01, 2010, 09:41:19 PM
hehehe good point.

yes, the good point is in the wishes for a nice weekend.  everything else is a mishmash.  i'm too dumb to understand it.

Quote from: vhinz08 on October 01, 2010, 09:00:31 PM
Murag gi Dogs man ni,   

ni-ay nadaot sa last word kay lain ang naa sa hunahuna... tingalig unlan?

Quote from: luckybelle on October 01, 2010, 09:03:45 PM
Ni.. niay katulugon dinhi.... Nyt everyone... God bless... Una nako sa nangimbitar na unlan

unlan gyoy akong saligan karong taod-taod para sa akong ulong galabad.

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 01, 2010, 07:57:41 PM
Tabonan o sungsongan? 

tabon o sungsong, wa moy alamag, mao bitaw nang sige ra mog hisgot ana kay mga way alamag.

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 01, 2010, 07:45:12 PM
Basin gagmay, pero usa ka gatos kabuok morag pungpong sa grapes... 

na, bihod na nag isda.  beluga ka ba kay himoong caviar.

mag-ampo gyod ko nga mobalik si aspo, ahora mismo.  nakakita lang mog picture ug sexy nga bavavoomboy, nahindumdom na mo niya?  bantay gyod mo niya.

Quote from: bugsay on October 01, 2010, 07:31:47 PM
aw...tan-awa lang gud ang itlog sa tiki...

hahaha!  round tuod, pero arang gamaya, dako pay mansanitas.

Quote from: bugsay on October 01, 2010, 07:28:55 PM
kini's ms isles...nganong gusto man gyud kang mahitumpawak mis kaalautan sa maong manhole......
wa ba'y womanhole....nyahahaha

wa kay di mo kahibawo motabon ug womanhole.

sayon ihaom ang round nga takob sa round nga manhole, sayon iligid imbis alsahon kay bug-at man.  kun si hubag o bugsay nagduda ani, maayo pa suwayan nilag paligid ang square o triangle.  pakapinan pa gyod ug suway ug takob ug square o triangle nga takob ang round manhole aron sila mabuwasot.    

Quote from: hubag bohol on September 29, 2010, 04:03:36 PM
Hubag ray akong gisabwag; ang nagpatakod sa kagid si Bay BolBuhol. 

bolbuhol donor ug kagid basta mo-issue mog receipts.

Quote from: Scarb on October 01, 2010, 06:44:36 PM
Kuyawa na ron ug initiation diay? ang neophytes sa una ky bunalan raman ug paddle karon batuta-bantiyong na diay ibunal? tsk³

wa pa bay news kun naa na bay nanganak aning mga initiates?  baog tingali ang sex master da.

bisag minors ning mga bayhana, kahibawo na na sila nga daotan nang ilang gisudlan.  ang akong sabot, wa sila pugsa.   
 
OT:  wa koy mahay nga wa gyod ko madani ug fraternity/sorority sa una kay di man gyod ko ani kasabot.  ngano god tawon nga magpabunal ko aron lang ko maapil ug grupo.  

Quote from: luckybelle on October 01, 2010, 06:40:27 PM
Ngeeee.............bahak ba!

ngano?   hala ka, wa ka isyuhi ug receipt?  o wa ba kaha ka mo-isyu?

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 01, 2010, 06:26:32 PM
Oi? Naa diay hisgot og jer²? Unsa man kuno, way gi-issue nga receipt?  Bwahaha! 

tingalig apil ni sa imbestigasyon kay way receipt?

Quote from: ben on October 01, 2010, 03:52:29 PM
As an utterly non-spiritual person I can still see that abortion, including just after the point of conception is to be avoided.  Late term abortions we can agree are killing a sentient being.
However, what's the big deal about artificial contraception?  Who cares whether or not I put a bit of latex over my member?  There are often plenty of good reasons, based on consideration for others, for doing so. 
Excommunicate?  I don't think they would dare, hence the backtracking.

rightly so, mr ben.  believing that "abortion including just after the point of conception" had to be taken as "killing a sentient being", whether we take it with or without spiritual dimensions.

the big deal with artificial contraceptions is that some of these cause abortion (abortifacients), the very thing that the church is up against. 

my guess was right, though.  initial reports on the excommunication thing need not be swallowed hook, line and sinker.  media practitioners, despite rules on the contrary, have their own biases and treatment of information to make their reports attractive.  it was out of context and out of proportion.  (my gut feeling was that no self-respecting catholic bishop will categorically say that for our country's president whose late mother was very close to the church.)   

there was no backtracking as the supposed reason to backtrack from was a mere phantom.  it's like a father telling his daughter to take care so she won't fall off a bridge, but the mother makes a big issue out of the warning by declaring that her husband has plans to push their daughter off a bridge after all.

p.s.  the church may not mind whatever you put on your member.  what it minds is the official government sanction and the free distribution of whatever it is you may put.

     

tungod man lang ni kay gi-hernia ang laki.

naunsa na man ni.  ma-legal diay ug ahat ang mga nadatu tungod sa jueteng.  mobayad ba pod kaha sila sa taxes?  maayo untag imbestigaron pod ni cheers ni sila.  

Quote from: Chongki on October 01, 2010, 02:52:39 PM
abs cbn news ....

Police said Celdran, wearing a dark suit and top hat, started shouting and held up the placard in the the middle of a homily at the Manila Cathedral Thursday afternoon. The word "Damaso" refers to Father Damaso, an abusive priest who is a character in Jose Rizal’s novel "Noli Me Tangere."

Celdran said he made the demonstration as a peaceful protest against the Catholic Church's position against contraceptives.

"I am a Catholic and born Catholic. Marami Catholic sa Pilipinas who are very disappointed with the position of the church because it is anti-women's rights, anti-gay rights and anti-human rights especially when it comes to reproductive health. Ngayong nasa kulungan ako, we can see na anti-freedom of speech din sila," he said.

celdran's demonstration was anything but "a peaceful protest".  he disrupted an ongoing church service.  i'm not a lawyer, but here's what i found in the revised penal code of the philippines, book 2, that helped me understand why celdran was jailed:

Section Four. â€" Crimes against religious worship
 
Art. 132. Interruption of religious worship. â€" The penalty of prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon any public officer or employee who shall prevent or disturb the ceremonies or manifestations of any religion.  If the crime shall have been committed with violence or threats, the penalty shall be prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods.

Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. â€" The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.

even the half-literates among us would know that exercising our freedoms entails responsibilities.  i don't think celdran would have been jailed if he simply continued giving out free contraceptives.  he is even free to cut off and give his own male member to any taker, including a hungry turkey.  that won't land him in jail.  but if he did these inside a church, in front of worshippers, as he did with his dramatic 'damaso' stunt, that's another story.

it is as though the way you are fighting for your "cause" is not giving you adherents, cheers.  already you are implying that you're so right about your accusations when the investigation still has to produce results.  you even resort to name-calling.  such tactics don't make you right.  in fact, you run the risk of shading from some of us what may have been right.

so you're offering the likes of raquelproud a lecture/seminar on taxation?  the next thing we know, you'll be offering a lecture on the formula of going to the moon just to prove that you are right in your suspicions of how other people use donated money. 

well, you chose english as your medium in your posts.  how about you getting a lecture/seminar first on basic english grammar and composition?  a little vocabulary enhancement on the side may also help.  let's start with the word "sanctimonious".  kindly look it up in the dictionary.
 

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on October 01, 2010, 11:41:34 AM
Do you ask nicely sa person involve ani ang anchorman nga dapat mo submit siya sa audited financial statement?
You attract more bees with honey than vinegar.

cheers it seems did not answer your question, raqz, on whether she asked nicely.  but her shrill rants that taste like vinegar are attracting not bees but flies (the "lagong" kind) like me.

it looks like there's still a lot to go before this difference between catholic church values and government policy can be ironed out.  for all we know, p-noy made those statements in favor of choice (not artificial contraception per se, but the choice of couples on what to use as contraceptives, which includes artificial ones and their free distribution), to test the reactions of various sectors in society.  thus had the catholic church expressed its reaction through the bishop.

it's too soon to swallow the "threaten with excommunication" yarn.

more quoted statements of the bishop:

"Because the position of the Church (is) that human life is conceived at the beginning of the conception, with contraceptive pills that are abortifacient, that is killing of the fertilized ovum," Odchimar said.

He reiterated the Church’s opposition to the passage of the reproductive health bill, which has been re-filed in Congress.

"We have been consistent with our position that we are against it. Because if the reason is the population problem connected to poverty alleviation, I don’t (think population increase) is a problem. (That) is not an issue," Odchimar said.

"There are also other things to be considered like the migration of people flocking to the cities and they cannot find work. Ours is an agricultural country. Agriculture should be enhanced," he said. "But it is ironic that the (International Rice Research Institute) is in the Philippine but we are importing rice from Vietnam which was ravaged by the Vietnam war. Vietnam is exporting rice to the Philippines."

Odchimar said the bishops were "aware that there is much money (for the) lobby for the passage of the reproductive health bill."

"It's an open secret that the pharmaceuticals and laboratories will be the ones who will benefit, because they are the ones supplying the pills and other contraceptive devices," he said. "We will be planning our next move....We do not have police power, we don’t discount the possibility of mobilizing the lay organizations," he added.

and here are the statements of the bishop, as quoted:

"Well, being the President of all, you must consider the position of the Catholic Church because we are approaching these issues from the moral aspect like the unborn.  Abortion is a grave crime. Excommunication is attached to [it]. That is an issue of gravity, that is a violation of God's commandment," Odchimar said.

When asked if Aquino might be excommunicated if he insists that government should distribute artificial contraceptives, Odchimar said: "That is a possibility.... Right now, it is a proximate possibility."

"But right now, we are open for dialogue," Odchimar said.

further, in this same news article by tubeza:

Speaking on the Church-run Radio Veritas, Bishop Nereo Odchimar of Tandag, Surigao del Sur, the current CBCP president, said that even Mr. Aquino may be covered by excommunication.  Mr. Aquino, a practicing Catholic, has stood by his position that Filipino couples who choose to use artificial contraceptives should be allowed to do so.

so far, can one glean a threat?  the bishop was just reiterating the stand of the catholic church and the possibility of excommunicating those who do not follow its stand, be they presidents or "the poor".  (well, all other religions have their own rules too.)

here's another version of the same news.  the word "threaten" is out, rendering it less "shocking".  note the use of the word "remind" instead of "threaten".


CBCP reminds Aquino about excommunication

By Philip Tubeza
Philippine Daily Inquirer
30 September 2010


MANILA, Philippinesâ€"The president of the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines on Wednesday reminded President Aquino III that providing contraceptives to poor couples who opt for artificial birth control face excommunication from the church.

i'm curious as to the exact words of the bishop.  the news item posted here is incomplete (it is the first paragraph only, which contains the gist of the whole story as news articles go); it does not quote the bishop in toto.  it's either he may have said it or he may have been taken out of context by the newswriter.

Quote from: Scarb on September 30, 2010, 11:10:58 PM
Nahibalo ko why-ngano namilit na..napuwazik na pag hagakhak nimo samtang gauzap ka ana imo tzolet.
Klarex nga pangitaan ka ana ug report..unzay due process nimo nga namilit ang tzolet sa keyboard? agik-ik ko...!

inosente until proven nga inosenteng pahak.  whew, mora mag nihuot akong dughan nga ningkaon.  tigols na gyod.  di na mabangbang, hehe. 

guten nacht una, scarbzy migs.  past 1 a.m. na diri.  (asa kaha tong mga surambaw nga pardners nimo nga si hubs ug bugs?  mga hubog ba kaha tong duha ron?)      

Quote from: Scarb on October 01, 2010, 12:11:39 AM
Agoi nahurot ang battery ? tsk³ 

dangag lagi ta usahay.  unsaon lagi ning among garahe nahimo mang maternity clinic ug mga stray cats mao nga magdalidali kog gawas kay mahadlok kog makatunob ug kittens.  nakalimtan hinoon ang lights.

morning:  napalaw ang akong paghatod unta ni banana republic sa opisina.  wa moandar ang awto.  wa diay nako ma-off ang parking lights gabii.

evening:  tendered a dinner for four

Quote from: hubag bohol on September 30, 2010, 01:02:56 PM
Uyon kaayo ko ani nga pilosopiya... 

di ko uyon.  manganak aron lang alimahan?  how selfish.

ang nakabati aning istoryaha kay gi-sensationalize gamay sa paghisgot ug dalagang ulay.  mora na hinoon ug maoy hinungdan sa iyang pagkab0ang.  wa man tingaliy labot.  di tanang dalagang ulay mab0ang ug di tanang maghikog b0ang.  mao nga manglagot ko usahay ug mga news items nga sensational, way konsiderasyon sa biktima.  sila bay maghikog, lalim ba.     

ngano tuod ni nga thread nga nagsugod ug messenger ang nangawat unya pag-abot ni bugsay (reply #1) promoted na man ang messenger ngadto sa manager?  abi kay nakakawat na? 

Quote from: bugsay on September 30, 2010, 01:39:04 PM

blema ato niya karon kay iyang giguba ang iyang kinabuhi tungod sa dili kaayo dako nga kantidad....
nangawat nalang unta, pero naay maskara aron dili mailhan...

gihuwaman pa lang unta niya akong maskara, tunga pa unta mi.  tunga niya ug tunga nako ang madakop.

Quote from: hubag bohol on September 30, 2010, 03:59:34 PM
Not for a blessed moment did I dream of possessing the wherewithal to provide you with anything of value, Ms. Isle, rich girl that you are (albeit of doubtful ethnicity)... 

hahay, ibundak man dayon ta sa yuta imbis naglupadlupad pa unta ko sa langit.

as for your post... prose, perfect; claims, false; writer, serial kirrel.

Quote from: Scarb on September 30, 2010, 10:34:36 PM
Kulirez ka miga Havaianababes ayaw bandilio diha ky maulaw ta..sipaon tika ron sa kaugalingon nimong tsinelas ron tyahahaha jokes..
Btw, nagkaraoy kog kadijut woi..bawo ala ma labsik§ na over evah tali..uhm jawohL-bow.

hahaha, matunok kag imo kong sipaon.  dapat ka lang mobalik sa tb uy.  barangon ta kag magpadugay-dugay ug tungha.

(kulirez, namilit ang akong gikaon nga chocolate sa keyboard.  imbestigaron unya ko ani. )

paskang... kun sa tagalog pa, kayo talaga... lupig gihapon ko ni idol kong scabies, ehe, scarbzy.  super para nako hinoon kun kitang duha na lang ang punoon ug ulo, hihihik.

hahaha, scarbzy migs, unsaon pareha man tag vibes.  kagiron ug hubon akitch,  ikaw fud vah?  unta!;D

Quote from: chicogon on September 30, 2010, 01:49:50 PM
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself. 

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter off democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.

whew!  finally, nahuwasan ko.  after going through the pages in this thread, this is the answer i've been waiting for.  if i may borrow ms da binsi's expression--- i like it!  thanks, fr. chic, for simplifying faith and church tradition in terms that any layman can understand if he chooses to.  (may i copy this for my personal notes?)

Quote from: vhinz08 on September 30, 2010, 09:54:25 PM
Abi nako pilipino time is for Philippines only.   

mora lang tingali tag bao nga dudad-on ang iyang buko-buko bisan asa siya.

Quote from: Scarb on September 30, 2010, 06:41:25 PM
Oh man..oh je money..money²..ka bibo ba dinhi 

Hey folks, when it come to cases like this, there must be a "black and white protocol" (its an auditing idiom)
- mean.. it should be recorded properly thru "incoming and outgoing" invoices.
- any monetary transaction must be reported to BIR whether its non-profit,private or firm.

-On the part of a Donor whether private or firm,there must be an invoice or receipt testifying the said amount >given to a certain org.
-this outgoing invoice will be used for yearly Income Tax Return (ITR) and for Financial statement.

-On the part of Charity org. or whatever it is..as a recipient(incoming invoice) is necessary.
- Liquidation of money transaction from one beneficiary to another is a must.
- say.., a needy person received 500php(say for hospital dues), he/she must sign a receipt thus he/she handed the said amount.

The Charity Organization as a whole is liable in any failure (as to what the case-maybe),not only the representatives or officers.
  Members have the right to question where the money comes and goes.

-zitat- (my one cent opinion) 

jawohl!  nigawas ra gyod ang pagka-accountant ni miga scarbzy.  (danke for coming back!)

Quote from: vrglguapo on September 30, 2010, 06:12:36 PM
Well all i can say now is i have the right to remain silent ,what i say might be used against me.I am still waiting what the judges would say. Guilty or not? hehehe!

if my understanding is correct, an investigation is either going on or has yet to be undertaken, but it looks like accusations are already being hurled.  what's the process here?  guilty until proven innocent?

the accusations are even multi-layered, from the legal to the personal.  whew!

an added dimension is the idea that here are boholanos accusing fellow boholanos and there's an american defending the accused.  needless to say, principles have no ethnicity or nationality.  it's just that this situation makes for a great, great world!

way to go, jelly bean.  i actually admire your steadfastness in things that you care about. 

oh, sorry.  there, you have answered with post #71 before i could post my #72.  thanks.

great.  and generous people are a happy people.  more often than not, they are lighhearted and are not angry that they have shared what they have, right?

professional beggars (your term; how quaint), if ever they do exist, can't go on forever when there are no more givers.  a person or organization is bound to lose credibility and become a spent force once there are irregularities, rightly proven and beyond mere rumor and innuendo. 

but you did not answer my question about the secretary...

cheers, cheers!  i'm not familiar with the law on donations, but i still have to hear of one that says it's the secretary of a charity organization who will be fined for non-issuance of receipts for donations or vouchers for donees.  don't you think it's the treasurer and the president who are the first line of defense here?  what is your friend, the secretary, apprehensive about, when her duties are primarily to take down the minutes of meetings and record the attendance while money in-and-out should and must be beyond her call of duty?

haaaayyyyy, kalami sa inyong exchange, bugs ug hubs.  bisag krokongho mo usahay, naa pa moy salabotan nga nagpabiling himsog ug tin-aw, wa pa makawat sa arthritis ug sa opaw. 

that's what i call real proper attitude.  you have enriched bohol and i, a boholana, am suddenly feeling very rich.  honest.  

Quote from: hubag bohol on September 30, 2010, 03:26:10 PM
Kini, ang tinan-awan nga makahimo nimong bato...

faet.  x within a square ra may makit-an nako aning imong hulagway, bai hubs.  unsa may sekreto ani?

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on September 30, 2010, 12:05:39 PM
Right. I know Jelly Bean personally she is very nice lady and was shock to read on the personal attack. Siya pa ingtabang siya pa nuon nahimong dautan. She help promote this organization,I know she speak from the heart pero lisod ning naay argabyado oi. I'm thankful for her for staying in Bohol and try helping out she had option to go back in the U.S but she stay in Philippines anyway.

and i would like to believe that boholanos are a grateful people.  exceptions aside, surely many others are thankful for the likes of jelly bean.

personal attacks notwithstanding (unnecessary to the issue at hand, really), the two ladies have their respective creditable points.  hopefully, these may turn into meeting points and not breaking points.   

come to think of it, wherever i go and wherever there are filipino organizations (and these are ubiquitous) whose purpose is almost always to "help the poor back home" with fund-raising, then almost always trouble follows.  money seems to create mistrust.       

my personal rule:  if there's mistrust, don't give. 

yes, no one is forcing anybody to donate to tbn.

Quote from: yakiyeye on May 27, 2008, 01:44:48 PM
Ang babayng way bilbil

Ang babayng way bilbil kay morag baybay nga way kimba.
Morag sigay nga way bukobuko, tabugok nga way ata.
Sa bilbil mahibaw-an nganong bawron ang kadagatan,
Nganong gansang-gansangon ang mga batu sa hunasan.

Ang babayng way bilbil kay morag kawayang way buku.
Morag dapaw nga way katul, langub nga way tangu.
May misteryo ang bilbil nga susama sa misteryo sa lasang:
Engkanto sa pusod sa busay, minu sa pus-on sa pangpang.

Ang babayng way bilbil kay morag dan nga way kurbada,
Morag bungtod nga way subida, simbahan nga way kampana.
Ang babayng bilbilon morag sugilanong puno sa pasumbingay:
Sa gaawas-awas nga bilbil, may kaunlanan akong pauraray.

Tubag sa babayng naglikay ug bilbil

Baybayon nga may kimba, daghan ang nalumos bisan mabaw
Sigay gikulit ra sa panghupaw, ata makalagtong sa panan-aw.
Ang bawod sa dagat agi sa hunghong sa huyop sa hangin,
Batu sa hunasan bawod ray angay saligang mopabalhin.

Buku sa kawayan iyang kinaiyahan, ang bilbilon morag hantatawu
Samtang way bisan kinsa nga di mosalig sa langub nga way tangu.
Way misteryo ang bilbil tungod sa tambok nga wa maplastado
Abyan sa minu mapapas hinoon niini, apil pa ang mga engkanto. 

Dalan nga way kurbada menos ug disgrasya sa laktod-laktod;
Bilbil subida nga sobrag bungtod, kampana nga gikawat sa lungsod.
Ang babayng bilbilon morag dumpol nga sugilanong gabitay:
Ang pagpauraray sa bilbil daw kapyot sa way haligi nga lantay. 

hehe, da, give up man lagi mo.  ako nagtukhi pa sa sugilanon sa babayng way bilbil sa lain nga thread.  pagkahuman nako, mo-goodnight na pod ko ninyo.  i-post ni nako karon ang akong tubag sa babayng bilbilon kay nanaad ko sa akong kaungalingon nga di ko magpatintal ug tb ugma aron dako-dako kog mahimong trabaho.  nayt-nayt na lang ninyo, bugs ug vhinz (where's hubag?), mga kaopawon nga gaduka na.

Quote from: bugsay on September 29, 2010, 11:00:58 PM
bwahahahha......tinud-anay seguro...kay mga dagko na man sila...

tsk, tsk, tsk, dagko na pod ug mga tingog, makalisang.  tan-awa si vhinz, naapil ug kalisang, ang labot nahimo nang lubot hinoon para niya.

Quote from: vhinz08 on September 29, 2010, 09:30:12 PM
Unsa man ng TOP GUN BQN?

Quote from: hubag bohol on September 29, 2010, 09:44:15 PM
Merikano man gud nis Bay BQN mao nga TOP GUN iyang tawag. Sa atoa kay NPA man na... 

ang ulo nga sinaw maoy himoon nga weapon of mass destruction.