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Let us get back to the business of Studying Scripture.


We left of on the study of Genesis.
The basis of Genesis includes the following:

The beginning of human history (1:1â€"11:25)

God creates the universe and all living things (1:1â€"2:25)
Sin in Eden (3:1â€"4:16)
The first generations of human beings (4:17â€"5:32)
Noah and his descendants (6:1â€"11:25)
The beginning of God’s people, Israel (11:26â€"50:26)


Abraham, Sarah, and Isaac (11:26â€"23:20)
Isaac and his family (24:1â€"28:9)
Jacob and Esau and their families (28:10â€"36:43)
The story of Jacob’s son, Joseph (37:1â€"50:26)


Question for the topic on Readings of Genesis:

Here are some questions for all to think and ponder on and answer.

How does the Bible’s description of creation fit with modern theories
about how the world began? Do you see any conflicts between the
two? Why or why not?

Why did God send a flood to destroy the earth and its people? (6:4-
7,11-13) Why was Noah chosen to build the boat? What promise did
God make to Noah after the floodwaters went down? (8:21; 9:9-11)
What do you make of the existence of a flood story in the writings of a
number of ancient peoples?

What is your overall impression of the first eleven chapters of
GENESIS? How would you describe the purpose of GENESIS so far?




Lorenzo.

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Anthony Bordain, in my opinion, has the best job in the world.

Quote from: BlueAngel on March 13, 2010, 07:17:12 AM
Variant translations or interpretations of certain debatable passages,
or possible textual emendations (i.e. alterations of the original Hebrew or Greek)
is for us non-depth Theologian inadequate,and I'm not sure where it should go? sowe po...

Note: just a morsel from me 

In essence, certain excerpts that we may have difficulty in understanding, should not hamper the Core Message of the Gospel Of Christ.

Dear Lord In Heaven. Please Lord give strength to Elsie. Elsie, i will get in contact with you tonight. Please answer your phone.
Dear Lord in Heaven, have mercy on our sister.

Be strong, Elsie...
God Bless you..always.

Everything in the Word of God is flawless.

Hark! It is flawless. It is purified by the Holy Spirit.

Proverbs 30:5, "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him."

Quote from: BlueAngel on March 13, 2010, 06:53:48 AM
1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV)
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

Thank you for bearing the glad tidings, Ate Blue!

As it is said, blessed are they who bring glad tidings of the Lord!


Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!"

Quote from: BlueAngel on March 13, 2010, 06:53:48 AM
1 Corinthians 10:13 (NIV)
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

God Bless You, Ate Blue.


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I will now begin a reading of The Bible, from Old Testament to the New Testament.
This will probably take couple of months even years to complete, but I would like to share with all of you,
and perhaps we all can take a message or two and even contribute to the Study of Scripture.
So do join me  in the reading. We start from the beginning and will continue till the end of the New Testament.
Points and key issues will be addressed regarding the reading, which should be done on daily basis.
Let us continue to Study the WORD of GOD.


I invite you all to a strict regimen in studying the Word of God.
Thank You.

Let us get back to the business of studying the WORD of GOD.


Let us get back to Genesis Chapter 1 and 2.


1 John 5:4-5   For every child of God overcomes the world; and the victorious principle which has overcome the world is our faith. Who but the man that believes that Jesus is the Son of God overcomes the world?

Quote from: Brownman on March 13, 2010, 04:42:58 AM
"For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another."

John 3:11

Amen, brother. Yes, indeed, we are told to find peace with our brothers and sisters. But at the same time, we are told to defend the faith and to not be afraid when our faith is questioned. For the LORD is our STRENGTH.

Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armour of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armour of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled round your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

Ephesians 6:10-17

Quote from: simplylee on March 13, 2010, 05:13:19 AM
Faith comes from hearing and hearing by the Word of GOD, therefore we can not have faith without the Word of GOD which is in our stream of consciousness that will result in good deeds.
what we need to do is daily intake of bible doctrine, a classroom type of learning or listening to a recorded teaching.
nobody became a professional just by reading, learning about GOD or the Word of GOD needs to have a teacher who has the gift of teaching (given by the HOLY SPIRIT)

This is what we were told in our Collegiate Bible Study, that wherever there is teaching the Word of God, the power of the devil, who cannot help but to question the faith of the elect, and to plant seeds of doubt, corrosive division and proliferation of discordance of the faithful. It is in these times that the brother and sister in CHRIST should roar in defense of the faith.

We are all students and learners of the faith. And it is indeed helpful as well as effective if read scripture daily. And to talk with similar individual of the faith. It is unproductive to even take issues that are antagonistic to the faith. As it is an attempt of the devil (who hides in sheeps clothings) to try to question and stumble the faithful.

It is the ancient enemy of THE LORD.

And we, brothers and sisters, must put on the armor of God when we battle the devil. In all of his forms. In all of his tactics.

THE GOOD NEWS must not be silenced. And it is the will of the Father, that the GOSPEL OF CHRIST be shared to ALL THE WORLD.


GLORY, HONOR AND PRAISE BE TO THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
THE SALVATION OF THE WORLD!

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 13, 2010, 03:50:12 AM

So we should listen to our STUDENTS!

Dili naman ni bible study oi!

mura naman ni ug kadtong mga suicide bombers nga lugoson ug pa tuo ang mga tawo...

there is nothing wrong with this study but you have to listen too.

It feels life we are in a HAMAS here.

If you would like to talk about bible scripture, you are more than welcome to include your views. We're now discussing Genesis. Your comparison of Bible Study to Hamas is unfair and libelous. Where do we condone the death and destruction of innocent peoples? Or the bombing of innocent peoples. This thread was started to share the Word of God. Not plan for the destruction and deaths of innocent peoples. No one is forcing a view on anyone. No one is forcing you to read this. If you do not want to take part, don't take part.



Sincerely and Honestly,
Lorenzo

We will now begin reading the Book of Genesis.
I invite all of you to read. We begin today on Friday and will end next Friday by starting the Book of Exodus.

The first passage of Genesis:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said,"Let there be light." And there was Light.
{Genesis 1:1-3}

Genesis continues throughout about the creation of the World. What are your views on this? (refer to chapter 1 and 2)

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 13, 2010, 03:35:45 AM
What is wrong with this thread???

you only discusses the issues in your taste! i dont think that is an essence of a good teacher!!!!!


how can you convince people to believe in what you say when they see what you are doing?


you can't give what you don't have.


James 2:20, "...that faith without works is dead."


Im sorry, this site is no longer a FORUM!

We will discuss issues pertaining to the Bible. And the study of Scripture. This will not include personal issues or personal matters that does not involve Scripture but only to attack one's faith. This thread is for the means of studying the Word of God. From Old Testament to New Testament. Thank You.

Let us keep this purely Biblical. There are other threads that can be used to channel personal. This is For Biblical Study.
Since it was created 2 years ago. Thank You.

And we are not all perfect teachers. We do what we can with the means that we have. We all must humbly walk with our GOD even if others do not agree. Let them. But this thread will remain purely a BIBLE STUDY.

Thank You.

I will now begin a reading of The Bible, from Old Testament to the New Testament.
This will probably take couple of months even years to complete, but I would like to share with all of you,
and perhaps we all can take a message or two and even contribute to the Study of Scripture.
So do join me  in the reading. We start from the beginning and will continue till the end of the New Testament.
Points and key issues will be addressed regarding the reading, which should be done on daily basis.
Let us continue to Study the WORD of GOD.

Thank You.

Now that we have talked about FAITH, brothers and sisters, we should also defend the FAITH that we have and so love!

One did ask, "Does the Bible / Scripture call us to defend the Faith?"

Lets see what the bible has to say:

The classic verse promoting apologetics (the defense of the Christian faith) is 1 Peter 3:15, which basically says that believers are to make a defense "for the hope that you have." The only way to do this effectively is to study the reasons for why we believe what we believe. This will prepare us to "demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ,” as Paul said we should (2 Corinthians 10:5). Paul practiced what he preached; in fact, doing apologetics was his regular activity (Philippians 1:7). He refers to apologetics as an aspect of his mission in the same passage (v.16). He also made apologetics a requirement for church leadership in Titus 1:9. Jude, an apostle of Jesus, wrote that "although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints” (v.3).

Where did the apostles get these ideas? From the Master Himself. Jesus was His own apologetic as He stated time and again that we should believe in Him because of the evidence He provided for what He taught (John 2:23; 10:25; 10:38; 14:29). In fact, the whole Bible is full of miracles specifically being done by God to confirm what He wanted us to believe (Exodus 4:1-8; 1Kings 18:36-39; Acts 2:22-43; Hebrews 2:3-4; 2 Corinthians 12:12). People rightly refuse to believe something without evidence. Since God created humans as rational beings, we should not be surprised when He expects us to live rationally. As Norman Geisler says, “This does not mean there is no room for faith. But God wants us to take a step of faith in the light of evidence, rather than to leap in the dark.”

Those who oppose these clear biblical teachings and examples may say things like “the Word of God does not need to be defended!” But which of the world’s writings are the word of God? As soon as someone answers that, he is doing apologetics. (How well he does it might be another story!) Some claim that human reason cannot tell us anything about God—but isn’t that a "reasonable" statement about God? If not, then there is no reason to believe it, and if so, then they have contradicted themselves. A favorite saying is, “If someone can talk you into Christianity, then someone else can talk you out.” Why is this a problem? Did not Paul himself give a criterion by which Christianity should be accepted or rejected in 1 Corinthians 15? It is only misplaced piety that answers in the negative.

Now, none of this is to say that bare apologetics, free from the influence of the Holy Spirit, can bring someone to saving faith. This creates a false dilemma in the minds of many. But it does not have to be “Sprit vs. Logic.” Why not both? We must not confuse the fact that the Holy Spirit is required to move one into a position of belief with how He accomplishes this feat. With some people God uses trials; in others it is an emotional experience; in others it is through reason. God can use whatever means He wants. We, however, are commanded to use apologetics in as many or more places as we are told to preach the gospel. How is it then that all churches affirm the latter but so many ignore the former?

Jealousy, is a vice that comes from an evil spirit. It was jealousy that prompted Satan to rebel against God. It was jealousy of God's perfect creation man that led to Satan in tempting Eve to take and eat of the Tree of Knowledge. It was jealousy that led Cain to kill Abel. It was jealousy that led the brothers of Joseph to sell him into bondage into Egypt, despite the righteous innocence of Joseph. Jealousy is a vice and a sin that is propagated by the Father of Lies, Satan.

Let us talk about the issue of Jealousy and how Scripture defines it. And how we, as brothers and sisters in Christ, can overcome it in Jesus' Name.

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"What does the Bible say about jealousy?"

When we use the word “jealous,” we use it in a sense of being envious of someone who has something we do not have. This kind of jealousy is a sin and is not characteristic of a Christian; rather, it shows that we are still being controlled by our own desires (1 Corinthians 3:3). Galatians 5:26 says, “Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.”

The Bible tells us that we are to have the perfect kind of love that God has for us. “Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.” (1 Corinthians 13:4-5). The more we focus on ourselves and our own desires, the less we are able to focus on God. When we harden our hearts to the truth, we cannot turn to Jesus and allow Him to heal us (Matthew 13:15). But when we allow the Holy Spirit to control us, He will produce in us the fruit of our salvation, which is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).

Being jealous indicates that we are not satisfied with what God has given us. The Bible tells us to be content with what we have, for God will never fail or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). In order to combat jealousy, we need to become more like Jesus and less like ourselves. We can get to know Him through Bible study, prayer, and fellowship with mature believers. As we learn how to serve others instead of ourselves, our hearts will begin to change. “Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will isâ€"his good, pleasing and perfect will” (Romans 12:2).

The topic of Faith refers back to the Wisdom of God. Wisdom comes from God. As Faith is a gift we choose to accept that is the very essence and umbilical cord that connects us, as Christian brothers and sisters, to one another to our Sovereign King, Jesus Christ, who sits on the Right Hand of God The Father.

So let us talk more about this issue, which seems to me is quite necessary in this day of age.

FAITH

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - Hebrews 11:1

In Hebrews we are actually given the definition of what faith is. Simply put it is something that you believe in even though you can't see it. For example, we all believe that there is oxygen to breathe but none of us can see it. Or if you've ever been to camp they sometimes have campers do this trust building activity where someone closes their eyes and crosses their arms and falls backwards and their friends catch them. They can't see your friends but they have faith that you'll catch them. Like I said in the opening having faith in God is the same way, you can't see him but you believe that he exists.

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. - James 1: 5,6

James Chapter 1 reveals something that I don't think many people know. God says that when we ask him something he will tell us what we should do but only if we have faith that he will answer. If we go before God with a question and we're not sure if he's really going to answer but we thought we'd ask anyway, then you're not going to get your answer. So next time you ask God for wisdom about something, believe that he is going to answer and he will.

Let children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these. - Matthew 19:14

Faith is the key to any Christian's salvation. Christians can't spend eternal life with God if they don't have it. Christians should always have faith in God. I know it sounds simple, too simple to sound possible but everything will truly be fine if we just give everything over to God.

Its the beauty and simplicity of Faith.

This discussion of faith is quite beautiful actually. It proves to us, brothers and sisters, that we should not have to put lip service and or prove ourselves to the thoughts of men. But prove our worthiness only to the ONE who matters and not be a self seeking, self reighteous pharaiscal individual. Hypocrisy, as they say.

To God ALONE be Honor, Praise, and Majesty. To God alone should we prove ourselves to. And never, ever, to the eyes of man. For it is the LORD YOUR GOD, who has power to Save and Destroy.

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Again, it is the beauty and mystery of FAITH.
Amen, my brothers and sisters. Amen!

A State After Death of Suffering and Forgiveness: Purgatory

Some specific bible verses that point to this state.


Matt. 5:26,18:34; Luke 12:58-59 â€" Jesus teaches us, “Come to terms with your opponent or you will be handed over to the judge and thrown into prison. You will not get out until you have paid the last penny.” The word “opponent” (antidiko) is likely a reference to the devil (see the same word for devil in 1 Pet. 5:8 ) who is an accuser against man (c.f. Job 1.6-12; Zech. 3.1; Rev. 12.10), and God is the judge. If we have not adequately dealt with satan and sin in this life, we will be held in a temporary state called a prison, and we won’t get out until we have satisfied our entire debt to God. This “prison” is purgatory where we will not get out until the last penny is paid.

Matt. 5:48 - Jesus says, "be perfect, even as your heavenly Father is perfect." We are only made perfect through purification, and in Catholic teaching, this purification, if not completed on earth, is continued in a transitional state we call purgatory.

Matt. 12:32 â€" Jesus says, “And anyone who says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but no one who speaks against the Holy Spirit will be forgiven either in this world or in the next.” Jesus thus clearly provides that there is forgiveness after death. The phrase “in the next” (from the Greek “en to mellonti”) generally refers to the afterlife (see, for example, Mark 10.30; Luke 18.30; 20.34-35; Eph. 1.21 for similar language). Forgiveness is not necessary in heaven, and there is no forgiveness in hell. This proves that there is another state after death, and the Church for 2,000 years has called this state purgatory.

Luke 12:47-48 - when the Master comes (at the end of time), some will receive light or heavy beatings but will live. This state is not heaven or hell, because in heaven there are no beatings, and in hell we will no longer live with the Master.

Luke 16:19-31 - in this story, we see that the dead rich man is suffering but still feels compassion for his brothers and wants to warn them of his place of suffering. But there is no suffering in heaven or compassion in hell because compassion is a grace from God and those in hell are deprived from God's graces for all eternity. So where is the rich man? He is in purgatory.

1 Cor. 15:29-30 - Paul mentions people being baptized on behalf of the dead, in the context of atoning for their sins (people are baptized on the dead’s behalf so the dead can be raised). These people cannot be in heaven because they are still with sin, but they also cannot be in hell because their sins can no longer be atoned for. They are in purgatory. These verses directly correspond to 2 Macc. 12:44-45 which also shows specific prayers for the dead, so that they may be forgiven of their sin.

Phil. 2:10 - every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, on earth, and "under the earth" which is the realm of the righteous dead, or purgatory.

2 Tim. 1:16-18 - Onesiphorus is dead but Paul asks for mercy on him “on that day.” Paul’s use of “that day” demonstrates its eschatological usage (see, for example, Rom. 2.5,16; 1 Cor. 1.8; 3.13; 5.5; 2 Cor. 1.14; Phil. 1.6,10; 2.16; 1 Thess. 5.2,4,5,8; 2 Thess. 2.2,3; 2 Tim. 4.8 ). Of course, there is no need for mercy in heaven, and there is no mercy given in hell. Where is Onesiphorus? He is in purgatory.

Heb. 12:14 - without holiness no one will see the Lord. We need final sanctification to attain true holiness before God, and this process occurs during our lives and, if not completed during our lives, in the transitional state of purgatory.

Heb. 12:23 - the spirits of just men who died in godliness are "made" perfect. They do not necessarily arrive perfect. They are made perfect after their death. But those in heaven are already perfect, and those in hell can no longer be made perfect. These spirits are in purgatory.

1 Peter 3:19; 4:6 - Jesus preached to the spirits in the "prison." These are the righteous souls being purified for the beatific vision.

Rev. 21:4 - God shall wipe away their tears, and there will be no mourning or pain, but only after the coming of the new heaven and the passing away of the current heaven and earth. Note the elimination of tears and pain only occurs at the end of time. But there is no morning or pain in heaven, and God will not wipe away their tears in hell. These are the souls experiencing purgatory.

Rev. 21:27 - nothing unclean shall enter heaven. The word “unclean” comes from the Greek word “koinon” which refers to a spiritual corruption. Even the propensity to sin is spiritually corrupt, or considered unclean, and must be purified before entering heaven. It is amazing how many Protestants do not want to believe in purgatory. Purgatory exists because of the mercy of God. If there were no purgatory, this would also likely mean no salvation for most people. God is merciful indeed.

Luke 23:43 â€" many Protestants argue that, because Jesus sent the good thief right to heaven, there can be no purgatory. There are several rebuttals. First, when Jesus uses the word "paradise,” He did not mean heaven. Paradise, from the Hebrew "sheol," meant the realm of the righteous dead. This was the place of the dead who were destined for heaven, but who were captive until the Lord's resurrection. Second, since there was no punctuation in the original manuscript, Jesus’ statement “I say to you today you will be with me in paradise” does not mean there was a comma after the first word “you.” This means Jesus could have said, “I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise” (meaning, Jesus could have emphasized with exclamation his statement was “today” or “now,” and that some time in the future the good thief would go to heaven). Third, even if the thief went straight to heaven, this does not prove there is no purgatory (those who are fully sanctified in this life â€" perhaps by a bloody and repentant death â€" could be ready for admission in to heaven).

Gen. 50:10; Num. 20:29; Deut. 34:8 - here are some examples of ritual prayer and penitent mourning for the dead for specific periods of time. The Jewish understanding of these practices was that the prayers freed the souls from their painful state of purification, and expedited their journey to God.

Baruch 3:4 - Baruch asks the Lord to hear the prayers of the dead of Israel. Prayers for the dead are unnecessary in heaven and unnecessary in hell. These dead are in purgatory.

Zech. 9:11 - God, through the blood of His covenant, will set those free from the waterless pit, a spiritual abode of suffering which the Church calls purgatory.

2 Macc. 12:43-45 - the prayers for the dead help free them from sin and help them to the reward of heaven. Those in heaven have no sin, and those in hell can no longer be freed from sin. They are in purgatory. Luther was particularly troubled with these verses because he rejected the age-old teaching of purgatory. As a result, he removed Maccabees from the canon of the Bible.

Quote from: lawrence on March 12, 2010, 11:42:23 PM
wow. this is a good study. if we can't explain, let's move on to the next topic.

by the way, is it your own understanding that is being discussed in this study or other people's understanding?

Lawrence, your questions were answered. But if you do not believe, there is no point in discussing with you.
If you do not have faith, then there is no point.

Faith is not blind, Faith is a blessing from God.
Faith speaks when the heart is full of Blessing from the Lord God.
Faith Sees what the Eyes Cannot See.
Faith Sees and Manifests the Presence of the Holy Spirit of God.

God Bless You.

Quote from: lawrence on March 11, 2010, 02:47:37 AM
Then how would you believe in such book nga daghan naman diay na alterations?  Sa ato pa diay your reference is not acceptable based on your predicament.  Why find the hassle of understanding a book that has lots of alterations?

Maccabees is only for Bibles with deuterocanonicals and not present in all.

The Book of Maccabees was found in the earliest versions of the Holy Bible as seen in Codex Vaticanus, which was printed and compiled in the early 4th century as well as in the Septuagint, for those that do not know what the Septuagint is, it is the Bible that was written in the original Greek.

It is essential for us, Christians who read Scripture and aware of the chronology of Scripture, that the language of the day during the early Church was Greek. Greek at the time was the acceptable written form, even the Romans, who then ruled what was the Mediterranean world, utilized the Greek writing and language to communicate with the people whom they controlled; namely the region of Judea, Egypt, as well as Asia Minor; namely because Greek was the language of trade in that region of the world.

One can see this in that the Book of Corinthians, Thessalonians, which are specific books in the New Testament, which were sermoned in what was known as Corinth and Thessalonikki, which are Greek states. Much of the early gentiles that converted to Christianity due to the proliferation of the Faith by the Apostles and Disciples were inadvertently Greek, Jews, Romans, and slaves. Much of the early church were composed of Greeks, and the life and accounts of Apostle Paul implicates and illustrates this. If one reads thoroughly New Testament, one can see this.

The English Version of the New Testament, particularly the generalized ones, do not completely emphasize the message, or inadvertenly over simplify it. Let alone that the King James Version follows the implementation of Martin Luther and removed over 7 books of the Original Holy Bible. That is why one cannot find the Book of Maccabees in Protestant Versions. Martin Luther removed these books because they legitimized the Catholic Authority and if he kept it, it would have undermined the cause to split form Ecclesiastia Catholica. So, he removed it. Even specific verses in The Book of James that stress the notion of Good Works and Salvation. As Christians and as Bible Reading Christians, we have to know the full message of The Gospel of Christ. If we limit ourselves by reading an oversimplified version, then Truth is limited and hampered.  Namely because these books solidify and defend the institutions of the Sacraments and the Catholic Doctrine of the existence of Purgatory.

This is why when I study the Holy Bible, I read from the Original Holy Bible. The Roman Catholic Bible. The Complete Form.
I Highly Emphazie the importance of reading a CATHOLIC BIBLE. The COMPLETE Form. The TRUTH.

I answered the question you had, as well as tried my best to point out the specific biblical passages that supports the Catholic Church's Doctrine of the existence of Purgatory. It is given to you. It is given to all of us.

It is only emphasized that we be aware of the original translation and be sensitive to the different wordings in proliferation gand spreading the Word of God. Because in my opinion, just because there are alterations in some phrases, this does not hamper the Blessed Message, which is the GOOD NEWS. The Gospel of Christ which the Church has continuoulsy defended and proliferated since its inception in Pentecost.

Discussion stands. Know that your question was answered. It is not my responsibility that you believe or not, it is merely the brotherly love that we have for one another that the Good News be Spread. As it is said.

Faith comes to those and those who are blessed to see what the eyes cannot see.
He who has ears ought to hear.


John 8:32
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

Quote from: gintonic on March 12, 2010, 11:26:20 AM
I lived in Manila for more than 20 years, and introduced myself as a Boholano...they look up to me man pod...tungod ni Pres. Carlos Garcia... then when they learn that Bohol is in the Visayas...taken aback sila...coz they think Bohol is somewhere not in the Visayas...pa-ila lang sa ila ka-ignoy bout geography...then when you commit something vaguely wrong the comment would be "'e palibhasa bisaya" hapit jud ko manumbag ani nga comment...but kept my cool...only after they knew nga bisdak ang bos did they change attitudes... I once told a fellow bisaya worker within hearing distance of the tagalogs..."pagluluko-luko kahit sinong tagalog dito, sabihin mo lang sa 'kin at talsik siya sigurado sa pwesto"..and you know what? they started, should I say licking my balls....mga sipsip

Bahala pood na silang mga ignorante. Proud to be Bisdak. Boholano by Blood.
Isug baja ning mga Bol-anon. Apo gud ni Dagohoy!

The original cover by: Train

Train--Hey, Soul Sister (w/ Lyrics)

Heeey, Heeeeey, Heeeeeey.

Your lipstick stains, on the front lobe of my left side brains,
I knew I wouldn't forget ya, and so I went and let you blow my mind.

Your sweet moon-beam, the smell of you in every single dream I dream.
I knew when we collided, you're the one I have decided,
Who's one of my kind.

Hey, Soul Sister, ain't that mister mister on the radio, stereo,
The way you move ain't fair you know.
Hey, Soul Sister, I don't wanna miss a single thing you dooooo...
Tonight.

Heeey Heeeeey Heeeeeey...

Just in time, I´m so glad you have a one-track mind like me.
You gave my life direction,
A game show love connection, we can't deny...

I´m so obsessed, my heart is bound to beat right out my untrimmed chest.
I believe in you, like a virgin you're Madonna,
And I'm always gonna wanna blow your mind...

Hey, Soul Sister, ain't that mister mister on the radio, stereo,
The way you move ain't fair you know.
Hey, Soul Sister, I don't wanna miss a single thing you dooooo...
Tonight,

Way you can cut a rug,
Watching you's the only drug I need.
So gangster, I'm so thug,
You're the only one I'm dreaming of you see.
I can be myself now finally,
In fact there's nothing I can't be,
I want the world to see you be, with me,

Hey, Soul Sister, ain't that mister mister on the radio, stereo,
The way you move ain't fair you know.
Hey, Soul Sister, I don't wanna miss a single thing you do tonight...

Hey, Soul Sister, I don't wanna miss a single thing you dooooo...
Tonight.
Heeey, Heeeeey, Heeeeeey, tonight.
Heeey, Heeeeey, Heeeeeey.
Tonight.

by: Alex Cornell

"Hey Soul Sister" Train Cover by Alex Cornell

Quote from: aquarius on March 12, 2010, 11:40:18 AM

hahaha... komedya ra baya ng ako, basin motoo mo ha?... tapos gyod ang maligayang araw... kung talagang di maiwasan lalo na nasa kasarapan ng kasayahan.. just apply this popular quote "DRINK MODERATELY" para di MODERATE-CHO sa kanal.... hehehe..

LOL! bro, all in good fun bitaw. Nothing is better than having a drink or two with good friends, good food and good company.

hehehe

Quote from: chicogon on March 12, 2010, 07:15:19 AM
Lami unta matinuod imong sulti Brad Enz... I don't shoot for reward... pero di kalikayan mosud pod sa huna2x hahahaha!!! Thanks for the good thoughts!!!

Father, we have so much to learn from you. God Bless you...abundantly.

Father, you have born much fruit in the ministry and in service to The Lord.
This is testament that He works through you. And abides in you as you abide in HIM.


~
I am the true vine and My Father is the husbandman every branch in Me that beareth not fruit He taketh away and every branch that beareth fruit, He will prune it, that it may bear more fruit; abide in Me, and I in you as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine, so neither can ye, except ye abide in Me I am the vine, ye are the branches; he that abideth in Me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit; for without Me ye can do nothing; this is My commandment, that ye love one another, even as I have loved you (John 15:1-5, 12)

Quote from: lgbluer on March 12, 2010, 08:08:03 AM
aq..wa pa tawn natawo...hehehhe

LOL!

Okay ra pood kai we were still babies when Marcos was deposed. Baby pajud ko adtong panahona.

Quote from: aquarius on March 12, 2010, 09:19:51 AM
"Drink as much as you can... "sky is the limit"... kung hubog na lami pa iinom... "remove the sky" para wa nay limit..hehehe

hahahaha ajaw pood 'sky is da limit' kai mo ingoon na atong Liver nato, "Hoy pre, ajaw pood pa sobra sobra dinha, ma matzzz ko diri."

bwahahahahaha

JOKE!
But im being serious raba! pahahaha

Quote from: chicogon on March 12, 2010, 08:05:33 AM
I like that Enz... wine as good vasodilator (baso ug dila), meaning, usa ka baso sa wine, muandar na dayon ang motor sa dila... masabaan ug kalit, ug uban pa diha!!! kadtong uban pod mangita sa ilang asawa, unya ga duay-ay ang dila, bwahaha!!!

Glad you liked it, Father.

LOL! bwaawahahahaha

Quote from: Anna&Jorge on March 11, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
long distance relationship really worked for me.. basta lang it is agreed by both parties

Trust, Honesty, Faith and Love.

Essential jud ni sila to success of any relationship.

"Oh actually, a glass of wine is a good vasodilator and raises HDL levels"

"Really Doctor?"

"Yes, but that does not mean you should drink a bottle of wine every day."

"Okay. thanks. Doc."



bwaahahahaha!

"Lets cheers to that"

~Dr. Rubush.

ha, ha, ha !!

Regards!

I have a friend by the name of Dr. Seline, she is an OB/GYN here, but was based in General Santos/Davao for many years.

Buutan bitaw ning mga Davaoenos. Good to have you in here. Enjoy your stay!

Islander wrote, "Is.:  a big mass of people cannot be fooled; the filipino people are no fools, unless you and i would presume that we can speak for them as we speak for ourselves.  yes, you and i could be fools, but those numbers who went to the streets?  that calls for disbelief.  "


Correction, the French Masses under the veneer of the Revolutionary tones of "The People", "Le Masse" placed in itself a aura of legitimacy to plunder the Royal Estate and to enact revolutionary edicts to abolish the established order.

The people, the very mass that was responsible for this culmination were indeed fooled by proliferation of writings by Robiespierre as well as other revolutionary fanatics that called for the extension of the Revolutionary thought by force outside the very borders of France; well inside the States of the Rhine as well as establishing a Revolutionary Republique throughout most of Monarchist Europe {to the detriment to the monarchies of Spain, Hapsburgian Austria, Prussia, and Russia}

The people were fooled in as much as placed into a fervor that led to the Dark Days of the Guillotine and lawlessness that was silenced only by force when Napoleon Bonaparte implemented law and military order throghout France. Ironically in the name of the Revolution, yet at the same time crowning himself as Le Empereur de France, a decade after the beheading of Louis XVI and most of the French Aristocracy.

Excessive Mass hysteria, is detrimental to society. And must be placed in check by the government in control.

The case study in France and in some instances of People's Power in the Philippines is testimony to this.



Lorenzo.

Quote from: islander on March 03, 2010, 04:47:38 PM
i was at home, watching tv, until the tv was turned dead because of the shooting at the tv station's main tower in manila. 

all your historical/cynical claims have basis in fact, wn and lorenzo (though it's hitting the 'nail on the head' and not the 'nail on the coffin,' please), but aren't we also helping perpetuate this system?  we vote for this same people, we behave as if we honor them (don't u.s. fil-am groups invite politicians--- as speakers, as inducting officers of organizations; think boawas of seattle and some other funny acronyms somewhere else--- and roll the red carpet for them?).  sadly, these political leaders could be mirrors of what we are.  we may deserve them even if we feel we don't.

edsa I was a nation's effort to effect change.  after 21 years, we have bent backward too long.  the process may have had its failings.  there may have been puppeteers who held the strings.  (well, who says revolutions don't have manipulators?)  the results may be disappointing as we are disappointed now.  but edsa uno at least assured us that power is still in the people. 

let the new generation learn better and effect change better.  best of all, let the new generation be better politicians than their elders.  (by the way, is jinggoy better than erap?)   

p.s.  that shooting at the tv tower in quezon city... one of the more poignant pictures of edsa I was of a dead soldier dangling from the tower.  there were two of them. the other survived; he turned out to be the brother of our neighbor.  i met him and he struck me as somewhat bonkers.  he couldn't get over the death of his buddy. 

(do you think we could have a forum such as tb if it were still marcos?  i was banned from showing up at the office for some days because i wore yellow once.)  that's why i believe edsa uno was not for nothing.     

Islander, I am merely sharing my views in comparison and through reading reports as well as case studies regarding the Marcos Administration and from taking several classes in US Foreign Policy in my undergraduate years. Sadly I was born after Martial Law and was too young to even remember or see Marcos in the television set (I was born in the summer of 1985).

Let us just say that Marcos is admired for his actions abroad and by the Fil-Am community.

On the notion of change; what change have we really seen? Most of the promulgations that the late Pres. Ferdinand E. Marcos are still in effect. Over 90 of his Republic Acts are still in effect, to this very day. That should not dim the brilliance of Marcos, despite claims of corruption and plunder by many of his peers, who do the same this very day.

In my opinion, there are none after Marcos who initiated as much progress and infrastructural growth.

And in my personal opinion, the very notion of continuous People's Power is a failed concept. The French made this known in the repudiation of Marat as well as Max Robespierre during the waning days of the French Revolution. And in the end, it is the plethoric masses that are utilized by the rich elite, under the banner of change. Has there really been change? The poor remain poor and the rich remain rich. And the greed of politicians continue to rule the day.

Marcos brought and maintained some sense of control and stability in the Republic.

Welcome to the site, Aquarius.

Saan ka based na?

Quote from: fdaray on March 12, 2010, 07:15:38 AM
Dunay panglantaw karon nga kon failure ang atong election sa Mayo, there will be a great chaos. Then, Arroyo will declare martial law. THis is one way  to remain her in power which she had been dreaming for. There will be a military take over.

How true is this, Mr. Daray? Do you really think that this is feasible, the notion of a possible military take over?
Will not the Philippines' reputation as a developing democracy be damaged and scathed as that seen in Thailand?
Just want to hear more views.

I love the examples, Tito Ben. Especially the endearing examples. ha ha ha!
One thing that I like about the Illongo dialect is the ending. "HAN"

Very airy.

Tito Ben,

Can you start with the basic principles in Illongo?
Starting from the tonation, to words and sentence formation.
Take your time, Tito. By your pace.

Advanced Thanks. And Much Thanks.


Bran

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 29, 2009, 09:36:54 PM
Taga Valencia ba pud ni?: Escobal, Dalapo, Salise

Yes. Especially ang Salise.

My grandfather is: Mr. Casiano Salise Salvo.

Other names that are common in Valencia:


Salvo, Salise, Tan, Lim, Gan, Namocatcat, Sales, Palaca.

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 25, 2009, 12:39:24 AM
My roots are in Pototan, Iloilo, that's why "P".

Really, Koddi?

So Illongo gid ka?
ha ha.

Quote from: hofelina on March 11, 2010, 05:44:48 PM
The Work of our Lifetime   

The family is the great catechism God has given the world. The work of our lifetime is to learn how to read it and then study it prayerfully. 

Amen!

Quote from: chicogon on March 12, 2010, 12:45:13 AM
Salamat ninyo tanan2x. Today, Thursday, niabot ra jud ang half-century mark ahihhi.

(Repost sa "Gibati" thread)

Nakurat kintahay bwahaha. Aw semi-kurat na lang kay expected naman (as in the past years)... the sang happy birthday for me pag sud nako sa simbahan this morning. Unya gapakatok pod ko gamay sa akong daily homily on "how to feel good when you hit 50" (that's why I shaved my beard early today). Then after Mass dihay gamay salo-salo with coffee, assorted fruit juices, home-made cakes and some cookies... and opening a few presents. Will post some pics soon. Then naa pa daw paniudto unya sa Golden Dragon hahaha. Also, the Filipino community invited me for a little gatehring on Saturday, dungan pod sa boxing ni Pacquiao. Pa birthdayhan daw pod ko nila. They really know how to make you feel good... ngani na ba jud diay ning "going downhill" na? Ahihihi!!! 

Reading your reply, Father, the saying goes, "HE takes care and provides for the workers of HIS Vineyard." Tinuud jud!
Enjoy the comforts of friends and family, as these are the gifts that the Lord God has given you, through your own good works...in your works for and through CHRIST.

Dili 'downhill', Father. It's going UPhill. The LORD has truly reserved a good place for you someday in Heaven. And all of HIS honest and good workers.

May The Lord Our God Bless You abundantly for many more years in HIS Service.

God Bless You. God Bless your parish. God Bless your entire family!

Quote from: junjun on March 08, 2010, 07:58:31 PM
ha.ha.ha... nailhan diay ko eh....btaw,my father is a minister of his own group. Sadly, I am not close with my father. |||Gimingaw btaw ko but hes having another family to take care of. |Thanks. Anhow, my father is a good man. The 7 of us are all educated and that is a proof that he is a good father|!

Jun, your father sounds like a good man. A man that takes care of his God-given responsibilities.

Let the message of Sirach Chapter 3 usher to you, too.
~Bless Your Father, so that his blessings will come unto you.
For a Father's Blessing is a blessing unto his child.

Quote from: Palu-palo on March 06, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
i know them all, si jun, si alex, si celeste ug si liza. i also know romeo, and also tita.

si jun, mura'g liwat ni nong ciano, mahilig sa mga chicks, or duolon sa mga chicks, hehehe. naa ra ba jud daghan mga nurses sa ilang dr guido lim clinic, mao nga dili pud mingawon si jun while living in valencia, bisan tua sa layo iyang pamilya, hehehehe. si alex, mura'g lay low na sa mga chicks kay isog ra ba to ijang mrs. pero sa una baja, diha kuno baje nga niingon ni alex nga "gasalig ka lamang sa imong bungot!" regards ko, dong, sa imon mama ug papa, ug sa imong aunt celeste ug uncle abe.

Buutan kaayo man si Uncle Jun, because he is there taking care of our Lolo Ciano. Mo bisita jyud ko this summer, maluuy ang Ginoo. And kani si Uncle Alex, shy ni siya pero very family oriented. Smart jyud ni si Uncle Alex. Engr. Alex Salvo  was a Board Top Notcher in the Engineering Boards. #2 Highest In the Boards. Product of Valencia. He is now based in Saudi Arabia as a veteran Engineer.
Manila-educated ni si Engr. Alex Salvo.

Of all of my grandparent's children, all of them are all educated. And working professionals jyud. In the fields of Engineering, Nursing, and Civil Service.

Education has always been a thing my grandparents stressed. And it is the one thing that no one can take away from you. Even if you are poor. If you are educated, you can attain and reach newer levels. Because there are some things that money cannot buy. One is a Smart/Bright Mind.


GOD BLESS!

Quote from: Palu-palo on March 06, 2010, 08:49:52 AM
i know them all, si jun, si alex, si celeste ug si liza. i also know romeo, and also tita.

si jun, mura'g liwat ni nong ciano, mahilig sa mga chicks, or duolon sa mga chicks, hehehe. naa ra ba jud daghan mga nurses sa ilang dr guido lim clinic, mao nga dili pud mingawon si jun while living in valencia, bisan tua sa layo iyang pamilya, hehehehe. si alex, mura'g lay low na sa mga chicks kay isog ra ba to ijang mrs. pero sa una baja, diha kuno baje nga niingon ni alex nga "gasalig ka lamang sa imong bungot!" regards ko, dong, sa imon mama ug papa, ug sa imong aunt celeste ug uncle abe.

Palu, you know my family.
contact me via email to get in contact.

Regards pood.
-Bran

PS.

Mao na in the words of my dad, "50 Years Young!"


We Love you Father Roel!


Yours In Christ,
Bran Lorenzo

To Father Roel Lungay,

Happy Birthday! Please accept my warm wishes and prayers for your birthday. May the Lord God Bless You Continuously!


Warm Regards,
Bran

Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.

Indeed, it is quite cute to read their interpretation.

But faith such as these are the best. For we are told, none can enter HEAVEN unless we have faith as a child!

Beautiful message.

Brothers and Sisters,

I want to bring up to you all the beautiful Parable of the Wheat and the Tares (Weeds). Let's Read it shall we.

Matthew 13:24-30
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field;  25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way.  26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared.  27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’  28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’  29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them.  30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but xgather the wheat into my barn.”

~~

THE PARABLE EXPLAINED

   A. IN ANSWER TO THE DISCIPLES' REQUEST, JESUS IDENTIFIES...
      1. THE SOWER - "He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man"
         a. I.e., Christ, who in His preaching went about proclaiming
            the gospel of the kingdom - cf. Mt 4:23
         b. Who is identified in Daniel's vision as one who received a
            kingdom - Dan 7:13-14
         c. Who after His ascension claimed to have received such
            authority - Re 2:26-27; 3:21
      2. THE FIELD - "The field is the world"
         a. Into which the Son of Man came to sow the seed
         b. Over which the Son of Man now exercises His authority,
            i.e., His kingship - cf. Mt 28:18; 1Pe 3:22; Re 1:5
      3. THE GOOD SEED (WHEAT) - "The good seeds are the sons of the
         kingdom"
         a. Those who gladly own Jesus as their Lord and King,
            submitting to Him freely
         b. I.e., His disciples, who observe all that He commands - cf.
            Mt 28:19-20
         c. When we compare this with "The Parable Of The Sower", we
            come up with slightly mixed metaphors...
            1) The disciples are those who constitute the "good soil",
               in which the seed has been sown (The Parable Of The
               Sower)
            2) But in The Parable Of The Wheat And Tares, the disciples
               are the "good seed" themselves
         d. Thus, when one receives the "seed" of the kingdom (the Word
            of God), they become "good seed" (a son of the kingdom)
      4. THE TARES - "The tares are the sons of the wicked one"
         a. Those later defined as they that..
            1) Offend
            2) Practice lawlessness - cf. Mt 13:41
         b. Though within the realm of the Lord's reign (for the Lord
            will later gather them out of His kingdom), they clearly
            are not submitting to the Lord's authority!
         c. Their actions reveal that they are really "sons of the
            wicked one"!
      5. THE ENEMY - "The enemy who sowed them is the devil"
         a. Who tried to tempt Christ and failed - cf. Mt 4:1-11
         b. Who now tries to destroy the efforts of Christ to save
            souls and enlarge the influence of His kingly rule
      6. THE HARVEST - "The harvest is the end of the age"
         a. That "age" in which...
            1) The gospel of the kingdom is being preached
            2) People who receive the gospel can become the "sons of
               the kingdom"
            -- I.e., the present gospel dispensation - cf. Col 1:13;
               Re 1:9
         b. An "age" that will end with a great "harvest", identified
            elsewhere as the glorious coming and appearance of our Lord
            - cf. Mt 26:31-32; 1Ti 6:14-15
      7. THE REAPERS - "The reapers are the angels"
         a. Angels will accompany Christ when He comes again - 2Th 1:
            7-9
         b. They will separate the wicked from among the just - cf. Mt
            13:49

B. JESUS STRESSES THE MAIN POINTS OF THE PARABLE...
      1. In verse 40...
         a. The problem of the "tares" will not be fully addressed
            until the "harvest"
         b. This is done out of consideration for the "good seed" (cf.
            Mt 13:29)
      2. In verse 41...
         a. It is at the end of the age that the Son of Man will
            finally resolve this problem
         b. With His angels He will "gather out of His kingdom all
            things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness"
            (i.e., the sons of the wicked one)
      3. In verse 42...
         a. Those so gathered out of His kingdom will properly dealt
            with!
         b. Cast into "the furnace of fire", where there will be
            "wailing and gnashing of teeth!"
      4. In verse 43...
         a. The blessedness of the "righteous" (the good seed, the sons
            of the kingdom) is described
         b. After the harvest they will "shine forth as the sun in the
            kingdom of their Father"!

[Jesus ends His explanation of the parable with the same admonition
that followed the telling of The Parable Of The Sower:

           "He who has ears to hear, let him hear" - Mt 13:9

D. ONE MAY BE IN THE KINGDOM NOW, BUT NOT IN THE FUTURE!
      1. Note that the angels will gather certain ones "out of His
         kingdom - Mt 13:41
      2. Those ones who were "in the kingdom" are then "cast into the
         furnace" - Mt 13:42
      3. Who would these be?
         a. Those who "offend" (cause others to stumble)
            1) Against which Jesus warned His disciples - Mt 18:6-7
            2) Against which Paul warned the Christians at Corinth and
               Rome - 1Co 8:11-13; 10:31-11:1; Ro 16:17-18 (cf. 14:13,
               19-21)
         b. Those who "practice lawlessness" (do things without
            authority)
            1) Remember the warnings of Jesus and John - Mt 7:21-23;
               2Jn 9
            2) The way to avoid lawlessness is given in Col 3:17
      4. Because of the very real danger of not "entering our heavenly
         rest", we find warnings to persevere - cf. He 3:12-14; 4:1-2,
         11

E. A PLACE OF PUNISHMENT IS THE REWARD OF THE WICKED!
      1. We saw where those "that offend" and who "practice
         lawlessness" would...
         a. Be cast into the "furnace of fire"
         b. Experience "wailing and gnashing of teeth"
      2. This punishment of the wicked is a recurring theme in several
         of the parables...
         a. The Parable Of The Dragnet - cf. Mt 13:49-50
         b. The Parable Of The Unforgiving Servant - cf. Mt 18:34-35
      3. And as described in the Judgment Scene, Jesus talks of a place
         prepared for the wicked - cf. Mt 25:41, 45-46
      4. Thus a proper proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom must
         of necessity include a warning to those who do not receive the
         kingdom!
         
CONCLUSION

1. Indeed, this very parable is a warning to all not to allow
   themselves to be influenced by the wicked one!
   a. As Peter wrote, our adversary is very much seeking to destroy us!
      - 1Pe 5:8
   b. But if we can allow the word of God to abide in us, we can
      overcome the wicked one - cf. 1Jn 2:14

2. We learn from this parable, then, that the kingdom of heaven...
   a. Will spread as people become "sons of the kingdom" (by heeding
      the Son of Man)
   b. Will not preclude the efforts and influence of the devil (so
      expect to see some "tares")
   c. Though inaugurated with the Son of Man's first coming (especially
      with His ascension to the right hand of God and the outpouring of
      the Spirit on the day of Pentecost - Acts 2), the kingdom of
      heaven will not be fully culminated until...
      1) The Son of Man returns with His angels
      2) He gathers all things out of His kingdom that offend and
         practice lawlessness
      3) And delivers the kingdom to God (cf. 1Co 15:24)

3. At that time...
   a. We will have an abundant entrance "into the everlasting kingdom
      of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ" - cf. 2Pe 1:11
   b. "Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of
      their Father" - Mt 13:43


"He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

Breakfast: Milk and oatmeal.

Lunch: Cereal (wheat mix) and milk.

Quote from: lawrence on March 11, 2010, 02:55:12 AM
NO.  that's what we call BLIND OBEDIENCE.

On the contrary. There is nothing 'Blind' about Faith.

Let's get back to Scripture Study.

(In the Original Greek)

εἰμί δέ πίσÏ,,ιÏ, ἐλπίζω á½'πόσÏ,,ασιÏ, πρᾶγμα á¼"λεγχοÏ, οὐ βλέπω
(Hebrews 11:1 )


(In The Original Latin)

est autem fides sperandorum substantia rerum argumentum non parentum
Hebrews 11:1


(In Cebuano Bisaya)
Karon ang pagtoo mao ang pasalig kanato sa mga butang nga atong ginapaabut, ug ang panghimatuod sa pagkaanaa sa mga butang nga dili nato makita.
Hebrews 11:1

Quote from: lawrence on March 11, 2010, 02:47:37 AM
Then how would you believe in such book nga daghan naman diay na alterations?  Sa ato pa diay your reference is not acceptable based on your predicament.  Why find the hassle of understanding a book that has lots of alterations?

Maccabees is only for Bibles with deuterocanonicals and not present in all.

FAITH, my dear Lawrence.



God Bless You.

For all who are interested in studying Scripture, I would like you all (for Catholics, and non-catholic Christians) to note and consider the following:



For Catholics, it is important to know the following facts about the Septuagint:

1. The Apostles and New Testament writers quoted principally the Septuagint. In fact, of the three hundred and fifty Old Testament quotations found in the New Testament, about three hundred are taken directly from the Septuagint.

2. The Jews, who had universally accepted the Greek Septuagint for centuries, became alienated from it after the Christian Church in her apologetical controversy with Jewish writers pointed out the Messianic passages, which were more clearly and forcibly presented in the Greek Septuagint than in the Hebrew version.

3. Some of the New Testament writers made use of the additional books contained in the Septuagint, particularly the Book of Wisdom, which seems to be a familiar theme in St. Paul’s Epistles. The Epistle of St. James â€" to take another example â€" shows an acquaintance with the Book of Ecclesiasticus. Thus, the Apostles and New Testament writers made reference to these additional books in their preaching and writing, and thereby gave them their approval.

4. The Greek Septuagint was the only Bible text of the Old Testament that was universally read in the primitive Church both in the East and in the West. The additional books were accepted in the early Christian Church from the very beginning. The Epistle of Pope Clement, written before the end of the first century, makes use of Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom, gives an analysis of the book of Judith, and quotes from the additional sections of the book of Esther. The same is true of other early Christian writers.

5. The oldest Christian Bibles in existence today (Codex Vaticanus, dating from the first half of the fourth century; Codex Sinaiticus, dating from the fourth century, Codex Alexandrinus, belonging to the fifth century, and the Codex Ephraemi, also belonging to the fifth century) contain all the books of the Old and New Testaments, just as we find them in our Catholic Bibles today.

And if we want to know the reason why our Catholic Bibles have the very same books as the oldest biblical manuscripts in existence, we must simply look at the history of the Church founded by Christ and understand that these books of the Old Testament and the New Testament were in the possession of the Church from the very beginning. Pope Damasus in the year 382 A.D. confirmed the authentic books of Sacred Scripture, and the Council of Carthage in 397 A.D. reiterated this Canon of Sacred Scripture.

Addendum,

Lawrence, one must also take into consideration that one has to be sensitive in language forms. We have to understand and accept that the compilation of scriptural work and many words and expressions were altered in its translation into English. From the original Greek.

As the original was in Greek, then translated into Latin, and then into other languages: English, French, German, etc.

Quote from: lawrence on March 11, 2010, 02:28:29 AM
Pero asa man ang purgatory ani?
Unless the God you are talking about is a God of assumptions.
Also, vhinz asked if where can we read the word "purgatory" and not where can we read the meaning or assumed to mean of the word purgatory.

A good question asked, Lawrence.

So you ask:

Where Is the 'word' Purgatory in the Scripture? Why Is it Not specifically mentioned?
No. Just the term "Purgatory" arose after the time of the apostles, just as the terms "Trinity", "Christianity", "Second Coming", and "Bible" did. But the idea of Purgatory was already present in the period before Jesus was born. So, for instance, we find a Jewish hero named Judas Maccabeus, about a century and a half before Jesus, praying for the dead and specifically asking they be forgiven their sins after they have died (2 Maccabees 12: 43-45). This practice, known as the "kaddish.", continues in Judaism to this day and was well-established among Jews in Jesus' own time. Likewise, we find the New Testament frequently assuming the existence of Purgatory. Jesus, during his time in the grave, is said by Peter to have "preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey" (1 Peter 3: 18-20). Similarly, Jesus teaches that certain sins (notably unforgiveness) will be liable to judgment and imprisonment in the next. But he also implies this punishment is not necessarily eternal: "Truly I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny" (Mt. 5:21-26). Such imagery fits neither heaven (where there are no prisons) nor hell (where there is neither repentance nor "getting out", and therefore no point in preaching). It does, however, fit Purgatory.

Jesus also implies the existence of Purgatory or "forgiveness in the age to come" when he tells his disciples "Whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matthew 12:32). The Church after Jesus did not, therefore, "invent" Purgatory. On the contrary, it simply repeated and clarified what Jesus and the apostles had taught them concerning the promise of hope for the afterlife.


I hope that helped.

What Does Purgatory Really Mean?

HOPE!


It means what it has always meant: hope! The good news of the gospel was proclaimed long ago by Jesus:

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord." (Luke 4:18-19).

Purgatory is the assurance that there will, in the end, be absolutely nothing to dim the mirror of our lives from reflecting the glory of God. We, who have been captive to sin for so long, will be released. Moreover, as sharers in the life of Christ, we have an extraordinary promise from him. For he tells us, "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father." (John 14:12). In other words, we not only receive grace from him, we do his works of grace with him, for we are "fellow workers" with Christ (1 Corinthians 3:9). This means (among other things) that, as he prays for us, so we can pray for one another with his power and authority. And such prayers can be made not only for the living, but for the dead as well. We can, therefore, help those in Purgatory who are still being purified, just as we can help those on earth-by our prayers and offerings of love, especially in the mass. For, as Paul tells us, "we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another" (Romans 12:5). That unity with God and with each other is not severed by death. Therefore, we can continue to pray for those who have died with the hope of Christ that our prayers will be of real help to them as we "bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). It's all there in Scripture.

Quote from: vhinz08 on March 10, 2010, 08:51:04 PM
Where can we read the word purgatory in the bible, is it true that there´s a purgatory as what the catholic claims, that the soul will go to this place to purify those who die but still imperfectly purified.

God Bless Your Question, Vhinz.
First let me thank you, brother, for joining our conversation and discussion.
The question that you ask was asked because the Holy Spirit,who lives within your body (as our bodies are the Temples of the Holy Spirit) directed you to this discussion to have a better / firmer grasp in the concept of Salvation and the means to Salvation. So I want to thank you for 2 things:
1. Your joining our faithful discussion here
2. Your question regarding Salvation, and specifically on the concept of Purgatory.

That said, Let us Talk.

But before we discuss this, let us usher a prayer for the Holy Spirit to OPEN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS to accept and be directed by His Instructions. To Understand Effectively and Faithfully: Lord, guide us our hearts and minds to bear and understand the things that we wish to learn, in faith and assurance that you will provide for our needs in this holy venture. We ask This in Your Name, Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God The Father. God The Holy Spirit open our hearts. In Jesus Name. Amen.

~~~



The Roman Catholic Church teaches us , brothers and sisters, that :
“There is a purgatory, and the souls there detained are assisted by the suffrages of the faithful, but especially by the most acceptable sacrifice of the altar” (Promulgation Council of Trent).

And it was in the Council of Trent that all Biblical passages and books were augmented and united under one book. So by authority of the Lord God that was placed in the hands of the Early Church Fathers, compiled the Holy Bible in its Complete Form. And with it, the addressing that there indeed is a state of Purgatory. By Authority and Legitimacy that the Church claims from Jesus Christ, Alone, who placed it on the shoulders of the Church by Apostolic Succession of Peter's Chair.


This dogmatic definition contains 3 points of faith that all Catholics are required to believe:

1. There is a purgatory

2. After death, souls suffer there for their sins

3. The living can extend assistance to such souls


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There is a purgatory



Forgiveness of sin in the next â€" Matthew 12:32

“Under the earth” â€" Revelations 5:2-3; Philippians 2:10



After death, souls suffer there for their sins

“You will not come out of it till you pay the last penny” â€" Matthew 5:26

“Matthean Parallel” (See: Matthew 18:23-35)

“Lazarusian Incident” (See: Luke 16:19-31)

Spirits in prison â€" 1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6


The living can extend assistance to such souls


Restrain not grace from the dead â€" Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 7:37

See: Ruth 1:8

Offerings/Sacrifice for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:38-36

“And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection” (2 Maccabees 12:43, Douay-Rheims Bible).


Fasting for the for the dead

1 Samuel 31:13;

1 Chronicles 10:12

2 Samuel 1:12


Prayer for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:44-46

“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins” (2 Maccabees 12:46, Douay-Rheims Bible).


See: Nehemiah 1:4-6, cf. Nehemiah 2:5


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Understanding Purgatory:


1. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands knowing the nature/attributes of God:

God is Holy (Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Leviticus 11:44

God is Just (1 John 1:9; Revelations 15:3)

God is Merciful (Psalm 116, Lamentations 3:22, Psalm 103:8 )

See: Ruth 2:20

God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16)


2. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands a proper understanding of the concept of sin:


Gradation (degrees) of sin

Mortal Sin vs. Venial Sin (1 John 5:16-17, NRSV)

To My Darling One,


Oh I dream about you. Last night when I heard your voice before I went to sleep, I could not stop smiling for I was brought to attention how much you delight your lover.

Oh my darling sweet one, how I want to lie down with you by the hammocks. To watch the time pass by and see the setting of the sun. To caress your face softly with my gentle finger's touch. To softly and passionately kiss your lips again. For my heart misses you so. The breadth and width of my soul yearns for you again.


How I miss you so.
You justify me.


-A.L.L. Jr.

"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

Matthew 7:24-27

For all the Illongo Speakers and those who know how to speak/write with proficiency in Illongo, can you please teach us?

The basics and even the complex, if possible.





Salamat Gid,
Lorenzo

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:56:05 PM
lorenzo..nice meeting you anyways..i hve to go..ill have a class...GOd bless you always...

God Bless you too, my friend.

Till Next time napood.

Quote from: gwargz on March 10, 2010, 01:26:40 PM
This is VERY TRUE. Qualities not in your List Of Ideals, will become the real ideals of a woman.

Because you will love her for who she is. Her failings and her strengths. Everything. And not have her change.
Because..who she is...is what you fell in Love With.


Ahhh...

Quote from: bulak on March 29, 2008, 08:29:46 AM
Dong Enzo naserious kog ahat naka basa ani nga thread. Pero murag exempted ko ani dah!

Tig timpla lang ko og coffe niyu ha..

Bulak, I invite you again to come join us.
Let us drink coffee and talk too.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 01:20:35 PM
its so nice to be in this thread

Its good to have you here, Cecil.

So let's REJUVINATE this thread!


For all the new Tubag Boholers;
Have you ever felt the need to cry out to God?
Do you know why you had to?

It is indeed, biblically speaking, necessary to build and focus attention to the Lord.
In times of Struggle or in times of Success, He is there.
That is why...we must Walk humbly with Our God.


Share your experiences.
And let us talk.



Lorenzo

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 01:15:44 PM
yeah...you know what..you inspired me a lot..thank you lorenzo...

I am glad that I did, Cecil.
We gotta inspire each other you know.
We gotta show the lamps that we have. Shine forth our candles to light the whole house.
Diba?




Join me in the Thread: "tubag bohol bible study"

It is in the : Knowing God Section.

Here is the Link~

http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?board=12.0


Your Friend,
Lorenzo

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 01:11:20 PM
maybe..but i dont how it feels...

I Invite you, to a spiritual awakening.
I invite you to a Bible Study with me.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 01:10:45 PM
same here!!!!youre so righteous..

No...I am not righteous.

I am far from being righteous. I am a sinner.

There is no righteous before the Eyes of the Lord God.
For all have have sinned before The Lord God.(Romans 3;23)

We are all the same, cecil.
Sinners ta tanan.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 01:07:11 PM
huh??what do you mean???

Spiritual Feeling lang.

Don't you ever have that feeling that you have been touched by the Holy Spirit when you talk about GOD.

It's an amazing feeling..

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 01:05:06 PM
oohhhh.....and y wala man ka nipadayon/??kasayang sad nimu sa if nipadayon ka...

ooopppsss...sayang ka for the girls who admired you...heheh

Too much for me, I think. It was too much weight for me to bear.
Because I want to be an earthly father, and to love. To have children.

I had to discern thoroughly. As I did attend multiple Catholic Gentlemen's Retreats.
I even asked the Bishop of the Couty of Erie, Pennsylvania (the region where I went to college), to pray for me and to give me strength. His name was Bishop Donald Trautman.

The Priesthood is Total Sacrifice. Something that was just, in the end, too much weight for me to bear.

As is said: Many are called. But only few will answer.

God Bless all priests....for they are indeed...super human. IN mind and in body.

Amazing.

I felt the Holy Spirit touch me. Right now.



BEAUTIFUL FEELING.

Hahahahaha! You know, Cecil, there was a time in my life that I considered priesthood.

3 years ago. Pero I realize that God was leading me to a direction to something else.
Even if Royal Priesthood was not for me, at least, I could offer to HIM, a role a life in the laity.
Took a long time to discern the calling. And what He really wanted for me.

Good point.

Pero mao na i implement ang institution of fine education, and religious studies, and family orientation to facilitate and supplement proper well being and proper raising of children. Considering the negative effects/negative influences of today's society on children.

It is still the Family and the Household that is the sepository of customs, manners, faith/religion, that will provide the foundation for the stratification of education through the years.

The wife should help and complement me in raising our children. To Love and Fear the Lord God.
Above all things jyud. To Fear The LORD.

Di uy. Average ra intawn ko. Akong igsoon baji mai smart kaajo.
Ug ahong mga gagmay nga igsoon.

Mao na mo minjo ko nga smart babahe kai average ra man jyud ko.

LOL.

corny but cute. okay lang.

Yea on a serious note, I should visit soon. Pohon lagi, maluuy ang Ginoo.

By HIS grace lagi. In time.

haha, so true.

So ma smart pood ang ahong mga anak.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:40:33 PM
ahhh... i see...what???changes in the Phils??i dont think so there is...Phil is still a poor country..hahaisttt

LOL. Direct and to the point jyud! Spoken like a true Bol-anon!
Gusto jud ko mo bisita sa beaches didto and eat the fresh seafood uy.
O man.

And when I do visit Cebu again, I will have myself a Cebu-made Lechon.
Because they say, that Filipino Lechon is the Best in the World.
And in the Philippines, the CEBUANO-STYLE LECHON is the best in the entire Philippines!

hahhaaay!

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 08:21:55 AM
hahahha...sa mga bogo..hopeless na...hahahhaha...

LOL

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:31:11 PM
meaning...you were 12 years young when you left Philippines??woooo....by the way..your pic ba ganeha..ikaw jud to??

5 years, po.

Been back to visit twice; 1995 and 1998.

I need to go back soon, tho, I hear that Phils has changed so much in 12 years.

Ay. Sus.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:28:13 PM
but i agree with you,..

So what subject do you teach diay?

I'm guessing: English/Language Arts?

hahaha.
Ajaw hilak uy.

Wow. that must be nice. Cebu City. You know I havent been back to Philippines in 12 years.

Education.

It is the only thing that no one can take from us.

One can loose a house, loose money, loose a car.
But education is not something that can be taken away like any other material object.

Thus making the role of the Educator ~~ priceless.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:15:20 PM
poor pa kuno....nganong naabot man ka dha beh???hehehe...

pordoy lagi ko.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:16:14 PM

ing-ana lage dayon...noble kuno...ambot lang..

It really is. It is the only profession that molds children to the direction where they want to be in life; and what they want to do.

Based ka sa Bohol?

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:14:34 PM
ahh...youre studying d i...im a teacher by the way..here in our country..

Teaching is one of the Noblest Professions.

Salute.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:13:42 PM
hahahahha...charge to experience nalang..hahahaha...

mao lagi, Cecil!

hahaha

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:12:18 PM
ahh...layo d i..my sis is in MA..are you working or studying?

am a poor medical student, po.

poor as can be.

She's in Massachusetts diay?
Lami baya ang lobsters didto!

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:08:52 PM
yeah..but we dont like to listen to them most of the time...eventhough we know they are right.

lol, so true. And then when we're proven wrong mo ingoon sila nato, "Gi ingnan bitaw ka nako!"

ha ha ha. Ay sus!

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:07:48 PM
soo...youre 24...hehehhe...ahhhmm...where in US?specific...my sister is also living there.

lol. sa New Jersey intawn.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:04:43 PM
oooppsss...sorry..i did not check your profile yet...let me check..

my parents also are into it...so..i think youre a good boy...arent you?

To tell you,

I do admire the older Filipino generation. Specially the husbands and wives.
I love it when they call each other "Mommy, Daddy"
or the abbreviated "My', Dy'"

Its so cute.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:05:25 PM
bravo!!!!!i love this ha....ill share to my friends...tnx

ha ha! mao lagi. Our parents are usually correct most of the time, diba?


Hapakon pa ta so that it sinks in. I know. With my stubborn head. bwaahahaha!

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 12:04:43 PM
oooppsss...sorry..i did not check your profile yet...let me check..

my parents also are into it...so..i think youre a good boy...arent you?

lol.

I am a God-fearing man.

My father said to me sa unang panahon.

"Search your feelings appropriately. Make sure that what you feel for a woman is LOVE and NOT lust."
Do not lust over a woman. Most of all do not mistaken lust for love.


So ang message to all:
Don't mistaken lust for Love.
As they are NOT thesame.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 11:57:13 AM
so...you are lorenzo lucino???heheheh....they look so inlove with each other..would you mind if ill ask how old are you???

ha ha ha.
My profile states it.


Yes my parents are not only involved in family but in Faith-Matters.

Core to their raising us children is this: FEAR THE LORD YOUR GOD.

That is one thing my father always stressed us. TO FEAR AND LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD.

And he is right. Because the Cement of True Love is the Lord God in Heaven.

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 11:45:27 AM
ooohhhh.....how sweet...how i wish i will have the same love story of your parents....

they are so cute for sure...

Hehehe. In Love. Lagi.


My parents: 26 years ago. (Engr & Mrs. Lucino)


My beloved mother and father. United Before The Lord God.



My parents: 26 years later!
Engr. & Mrs. Lucino.



Engr. Rico Lucino! and Mrs. Lucino.
he he he. My beloved Father and beloved Mother.
GOD BLESS THEIR LOVE!

Thanks for reading them, Cecil.

And to add lang to your post: Don't ever stop looking!

Cheers!

Quote from: lgbluer on March 10, 2010, 11:38:48 AM
ahhh... ok...im cecil...and you are??

The name's Lorenzo.

Pleasure to meet you, Cecil.