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He he he, guapo kaayo ang lugar dinha sa Texas kai dako kaayo ang balay, pero affordable man kaayo. I still consider the possibility of relocating to Texas. But right now, Chicago suits me fine. Maybe later when I save up some kwarts.

Quote from: islander on May 04, 2012, 01:52:42 PM
what's this, lorenz?  any message from that stone arrangement?

Ah, a good place to find Zen in one's hectic schedule. A peaceful maze.

Alice, you're in Houston? I have an aunt who lives in Katy, Texas. It's a suburb of Houston.

You both are very cute !

What is really sad is that China flushed its promise of a "Peaceful Rise". With the recent naval provocation with the Philippines, and with quarrels with Vietnam as well as South Kore, Japan, and India on territorial issues, Beijing has dug itself in a defensive situation. Her blatant military provocation has taken the attention of the United States , and because China was unable or unwilling to deal with these issues diplomatically, she has negated her peaceful rise.

The countries around her are now courting United States to come back to the region and to establish American military presence in the region, to the detriment of China's territorial ambition and to her hopes of regional hegemony.

China's failure to deal with neighbors in a diplomatic manner has led the awakening of American presence in the region. Now, the United States will prioritize the pacific in her long term foreign political strategy. It will be American geopolitical strategy to contain China.

The United States has already forged better relations with India, a potential ally, and now has developed better and increased military relations with Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines, Taiwan, South Korea and Japan.

If China will not change its foreign policy strategy, she will be contained. To the detriment of Chinese national interest, and to the benefit of American geopolitics.

Quote from: taga tigbao on May 03, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
Good to hear this. Hinoon, kung unahan pud ganing ta sa China mahimo jud ning dakong giyera kay daghang mag dapigay. Ang problema ug maakip ang mga mainland cities like Manila and Beijing.

Vince and Isles,

Tinuod ning gi suwat ni Isles, the West Philippine Sea/ South China Sea is a major shipping route, and over $5 TRILLION of American Trade traverses through these waters, the United States Navy will not allow a single power to try to take advantage of this situation by exercising full control of the said sea.

With President Obama's recent strategici 'pivot' of the United States Armed Forces to the Asia-Pacific Theater, the United States is following the development in the South China Sea. The recent Balikatan 2012 Military Exercise reiterated the Philippine-American military alliance.

China would not dare launch an attack on the Philippines and expect the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) to survive. The United States Navy's 7th and 3rd Fleet and Carrier Battle Groups are within the Western Pacific. If China initiates a naval conflict with the Philippine Navy, The 3rd and 7th USN Fleets will send China's naval fleet to the bottom of the sea.




A Carrier Battle Group of the United States Navy's 7th Fleet, of the United States Navy Pacific Command.

I have a good friend, who was my college roommate, and is currently a Financial Analyst at Goldman Sachs; since he graduated from college and worked for GS, he's saved 1/2 of his yearly salary. His salary is $95,000 a year. He's been working since 2007. So for the past 5 years, he's saved half of his yearly income. At his age of 26, he has over $300,000 saved.

He makes $95,000, but only uses half of that. The rest he puts into his savings.

That is an example of financial security through proper 'investing'.

At this rate, by the time he is in his early 30's, he will be a millionaire.

By far, the best place for contemplation and "One on One Time" with the Lord Jesus Christ.

ha ha ha, luoy'a pod si ET!

Quote from: alycxs on May 04, 2012, 10:41:56 AM
My Auntie calls this "Investing in Memories" kini dili jud makawat. Ang kwarta, makit-an ra kung mosukol ka sa kahago, bilar ug antos, pero kung ang mga tawo nga importante sa imong kinabhi mawala na, wala gyuy kantidad sa wawarts pwedeng maka balik nila.  Kami sa akong bana, we try to conserve and live way below our means. We forgo the toys, the bigger house, nicer cars to conserve our money. But when it comes to family, our parents (both) and neices and nephews, as long as reasonable, then we don't get miserly.  Of course, we treat ourselves too . A quick cruise to Mexico, my yearly trip to visit Mama and Papa in Bohol, his trips to Florida.  What's the point in getting rich quick if you're miserable when you can be very comfortable and happy instead. :-)

Hinay-hinay basta kanunay 

Correct ! Spending wisely is better than spending frivolously.

Many doctors in the United States make over $400,000 - $500,000 per annum and because of this, they spend frivolously. Purchasing mansions, beach homes, yachts, and sports cars. They make a lot, but they also spend A LOT. This is the problem when one makes a lot of money, one tends to spend A LOT. In order to retain one's earnings, one should control the spending. Invest 1/2 of one's yearly earnings into a time savings/ cd.

For me, if one can invest that $400,000 income into the proper bank, one can be a millionaire within 2-3 years. Within 10 years, a doctor can already be secured for the rest of his/ her life. Without the need to invest in stocks.

I love this video, Vince. Thank you for sharing this with us. God Bless you !

Always have hope !

Quote from: Lorenzo on May 04, 2012, 12:16:12 PM
Kiss the kilay? I don't kiss women on the kilay, but somewhere else....

like: lips, cheeks,...

Kiss the kilay? I don't kiss women on the kilay, but somewhere else....

Taken last week , i was attending a Medical Presentation. Ning present pod ko sa topic on neurological diseases on geriatric population. 

Quote from: enadespinosa on April 30, 2012, 08:57:49 PM

Inchikon lagi imong beauty, bai.

Quote from: enadespinosa on April 30, 2012, 09:56:27 PM
Buotan na ko ron bai kay basin mosunod sa akong yapak akong anak mao nga iwas na ko sa mga babaye bai.

Ha ha ha, maayo lagi ka bai kai maka control ka. Kahibalo ko'ng ubang tawo nga dili ka-control. I'm still trying to control galing.

Pero , maayo na bai. Keep it up.

Quote from: enadespinosa on April 30, 2012, 10:11:29 PM
oo bay buotan nga bol-anon hangtud sa kahangturan.

Hahaha! Maayo na bai, kai og mabuotan ta sa baje, pinanggoan gajod ta nila. Buotan baja ning Bol-anon. Buotan pero naa poy time ma initan.

Quote from: islander on April 30, 2012, 10:52:39 PM
oh, no.  mamaldito ra diay ka tungod sa baye?

Kuan ni si bai enad, maginoo pero medyo bastos.

Quote from: oilpure on May 03, 2012, 05:59:06 PM
Hello everyone!

Hello there, oilpure. How pure is your oil?

Ha ha ha ! Nindot lagi kaayo inyong lugar'a, Father.

I like to read about stocks and bonds, pero, for me, the best way lang is to place your money in CD and Time Savings.

As what Alice and Father Roel said, "Hinay Hinay, basta kanunay..."

I don't like to gamble, and don't like to take chances in losing money. Money is not easily earned, and is very difficult to acquire, for many it may come easy, but for me, money is hard earned. By placing your earnings in your Checking account, Savings account and in TIME SAVINGS/ CD accounts, as well as tracking all your financial transactions, one can be on the road to financial security. By securing your spending habits, and making sure you don't spend more than what you have, and take the strategic, tactical and operational initiative to invest your money in secure institutions (ergo, banking systems), one can safeguard one's Financial Success.

This is sad to hear because China will not listen to Philippine diplomatic terms. The Chinese side are not listening, or are unwilling to listen.

Following a call by the government of Philippines for international arbitration over the disputed Scarborough Shoal area of the South China Sea, Deng Zhonghua, the head of the Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs under the Chinese foreign ministry lodged solemn representations on Apr. 28 with Alex G Chua, the Philippines charge d'affaires, reports Duowei News, a US-based website run by overseas Chinese.

According to Deng, Scarborough Shoal â€" known as Huanyan island in Chinese â€" is historically part of China, and it is against the international law for the government of the Philippines to call for international arbitration regarding Chinese territory. Deng suggested that China and Philippines should resolve the issue through bilateral talks instead of internationalizing the dispute.

Although the Philippine foreign minister, Albert del Rosario, emphasized that dialogue between Beijing and Manila will continue, Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile said that the only reason China did not launch an attack against Philippines during the recent standoff between vessels of the two sides was because of the defense treaty signed between Manila and Washington. Enrile said that it is time for the entire nation to rally together under the leadership of President Benigno S Aquino III to fight for the territory of the Philippines against China.

"The Philippines cannot ask the US to back its claim of ownership of the disputed Scarborough Shoal, but if our vessels or aircraft are attacked by another power in the Pacific, then we can invoke the Mutual Defense Treaty otherwise it is meaningless. If they will not come to our rescue, it is better for us to abrogate it," Enrile said.

Before the meeting between Deng and Chua on Staurday, the Philippine charge d'affaires was summoned twice by Chinese vice foreign minister Fu Ying to discuss the issue during the two-week standoff which began after Chinese fishing vessels were intercepted by a Philippine warship in the area, leading to a tense confrontation with Chinese naval vessels. According to Liu Weiming, spokesman for the Chinese foreign ministry, the Philippines should respect the sovereign rights of China in the South China Sea and not complicate the issue by calling for international arbitration.

References:

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http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20120430000042&cid=1101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLDMnwJWHio#ws

Addendum: It took us some 26 hours to drive from New Jersey to Texas. We stopped by Georgia to sleep , but after that, straight driving. Maayo ang experience, kai maka kita gajod ka sa beauty sa America.

My dad was the driver and I was the "co-pilot" or as he referred to me as "co-driver". In charge of opening his coke bottle, giving him chips, and from time to time checking the map while he drove.

While my mommy , my sister and my brothers were sleeping sa likod, I was awake the entire time with my dad. I was not allowed to sleep kai gusto kono si daddy mo talk nako during the drive. LOL. I was not permitted to sleep kai if i sleep, he will have no one to talk to kono. bwahahahaha!

Yes! Back in July 2000, we had a road trip from New Jersey to Texas to visit my Auntie and Uncle there. My dad drove through Lousianna and we drove through New Orleans, Baton Rouge, and stopped by the towns around Baton Rouge to rest. Ingon si daddy nako, "Doy, murag dako ang French presence diri kai ang ngalan sa ilang streets diri murag French man tanan."

He he he !

Quote from: chicogon on May 03, 2012, 11:56:47 AM
There's a saying "You can deal with terrorists... but not with liturgists." Bwahahaha!!! 

Ha ha ha ha

Quote from: islander on May 03, 2012, 11:46:17 AM
at their own peril.  they may end up courting armed rebellion against the politburo.  how about... 'today the philippine government, tomorrow the chinese government' for these armed rebels?

You have a good point. I just remain cautious because I've read on the history of the Chinese Government's repressive stance on ethnic groups in China. They are actually quite racist and repressive to the ethnic Tibetans who live in Tibet and the Uighur people who live in China's western most province of Xinjiang.

Their government has a horrendous human rights record, even unto their own people. Imagine how they would be like towards people in a different country in case of a war...

Quote from: islander on May 03, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
it won't.  like any other nation with enough patriotic pride, it wouldn't want to be ridiculous.  what they're having now is plain bluster (like a dog barking; barking dogs don't bite).  besides, should the ridiculous happen (the barking dog would accidentally bite), imagine all the nations that could be dragged into it.  no, china is not that stupid.  it may be stupid, but not that stupid.   

I just hope and pray that diplomacy wins the day, isles, because it is quite intimidating that such a mighty power like China is trying to bully a weaker country like the Philippines. We have never even had a war with them before, and now they are antagonizing the situation with their naval surveillance ships.

I actually visited the Chinese defense forum called "Sino Defense Forum", and it is quite disgusting what some of them are saying. Some of them are calling for China to launch nuclear strikes on Manila. How absurd and also scary.

If China and Philippines have a full armed conflict, do you think that the Chinese will encourage rebellious groups such as the NPA, MILF, MNLF to engage the Philippine Armed Forces?

What can the Philippines do in case China attacks the Philippines? Honestly, what can the country do? What if America does not honor its Mutual Defense Treaty with the Philippines? What then, will the Philippines do?

What boggles my mind is the fact that the Legislative Body of the Philippines was unable to properly modernize the Armed Forces of the Philippines. Why is it that a nation of some 95 million people with a GNP of over $370 Billion is incapable of properly modernizing the Air Force, Navy, and Army?

Now, in this present circumstance the Republic is in, we are, militarily speaking, incapable of defending the nation in case of an armed invasion. The meager forces in the Armed Forces is , presently, incapable of properly completing its task on territorial defense.

Let's take a look at the status of the Armed Forces, okay? The Philippine Army is only 80,000 man strong. During the time of Marcos, the Army was over 250,000 man strong. How is the Philippine Army capable of defending the nation of some 95 million people when its current strength is only 80,000 man strong? It should be at LEAST 500,000 man strong ! The Kingdom of Thailand has an Army of some 750,000 strong (and note that Thailand's population is 66 million (some 30 million less than the Philippines!).

The Philippine Air Force does not even have a fighter aircraft, there is no tactical air wing. The Philippines mothballed its last units of F-5 fighter planes back in 2005. And for 7 years now, we still have yet to have a fighter air craft that can protect the air. If China wanted to, if she sent tactical bombers to bomb Manila, Cebu, Iloilo, Davao etc, it would take air superiority and control Philippine Air Space.

The rampant corruption in government is the sole reason for the inability of the Philippines to modernize its military.

Thank You for posting this, Isles. It was a very interesting read.

Is this in Thailand, Isles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnaLVE4ayDs#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfnHAWKI7dE#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXu-Sb0CwU8#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXr45EEKMls#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLJIvZ4fH_U#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZijul5Dr2s#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pQIYpYEsCc#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF5NYPENhp4#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBdrPdXCn7M#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9-0lztsHhk#ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBLCKo7FJU#ws

Quote from: islander on May 02, 2012, 01:34:47 PM
ugh, lorenz, please.  i hope you don't really mean what i understand your statement to be.  no member of the council of nicea, first or second, could have lived that long. 

Isles, you are correct. I was wrong in saying Council of Nicea, I meant to say Council of Hippo (Synod of Hippo). Thanks for pointing that one.

Quote from: islander on May 02, 2012, 01:43:16 PM
to partly satisfy my personal curiosity...  am i glad the wiki is just a click away.

A number of erroneous views have been stated regarding the council's role in establishing the biblical canon. In fact, there is no record of any discussion of the biblical canon at the council at all.  The development of the biblical canon took centuries, and was nearly complete (with exceptions known as the Antilegomena, written texts whose authenticity or value is disputed) by the time the Muratorian fragment was written.

In 331 Constantine commissioned fifty Bibles for the Church of Constantinople, but little else is known, though it has been speculated that this may have provided motivation for canon lists. In Jerome's Prologue to Judith he claims that the Book of Judith was "found by the Nicene Council to have been counted among the number of the Sacred Scriptures".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Yes, you're right, Isles. The 1st Council of Nicea did not necessarily establish biblical canon, because it was the Council of Hippo (Synod of Hippo) that established approved cannon for Sacred Scripture.

Good Job on pointing that out.

Quote from: islander on May 02, 2012, 01:34:47 PM
ugh, lorenz, please.  i hope you don't really mean what i understand your statement to be.  no member of the council of nicea, first or second, could have lived that long. 

haha! og buhi pa ang myembro sa council of hippo, carthage sure gajod ko ma kulbaan sila og nadungog sila sa comments ni Bro. Martin Luther.

Segoro mo ingon sila nija, "Hoy, Marteng, kahibalo ba ka pila ka horas kami ning basa sa mga libro ge-include namo sa bibliya, maayo ra ka kay imoharagajod gi hiwa ang pitong libro!"

You're welcome, Vince !

by: David Morton



Whenever he would talk to us of ships,
Old schooners lost, or tall ships under weigh,
The god of speech was neighbour to his lips,
A lover's grace on words he loved to say.
He called them by their names, and you could see
Spars in the sun, keels, and their curling foam;
And all his mind was like a morning quay
Of ships gone out, and ships come gladly home.

He filled the bay with sails we had not seen:
The Marguerita L., "a maid for shape,"
The slender Kay, the worthy Island Queen,--
That was his own, he lost her off the Cape,
"She was a ship"--and then he looked away,
And talked to us no more of ships that day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmjdaBaZe8Y#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-Mrc2l1d0#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwu3D-Luo-E#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9NF2edxy-M#ws

Quote from: taga tigbao on May 02, 2012, 12:16:11 PM
Ultimately, he forgot the teaching of Christ to love other people regardless of race and culture or religious orientation. In my opinion he could go down as a hypocrite. Preaching the word of God on love yet hates the Jews. He is not walking his talk.

Yes, Brother Vince. One has to also understand that during this time (the mid early mid 16th century), there was a great war between the Kingdoms of Europe that supported Catholic teachings and the Kingdoms in Europe who supported propagated Protestant teachings. These wars later culminated in the 30 Years Wars (in the early 17th century). During this time, tho, Protestant Armies marched onto Catholic Lands and , as well as vice versa in an attempt to reduce the power of the Catholic Church.

Martin Luther , directly and indirectly, fueled the flames of war and anti-catholic sentiments in Europe. The rise of the likes of Calvin, Erasmus, Melancthon etc, and the 30 years war, ultimately, led to the Catholic Reformation to try to curve the dissent of the protestants.

The history of this time in Europe is a rather fascinating one, Vince. Kuyaw kaayo i-basahon. I actually suggest you read into it, kai maka understand gajod ta ngano nag awayaway ang Protestant sa Catholic.

Quote from: taga tigbao on May 02, 2012, 12:04:51 PM
This what Martin Luther has to say to the book of James:

In the first place it is flatly against St. Paul and all the rest of Scripture in ascribing justification to works. It says that Abraham was justified by his works when he offered his son Isaac; though in Romans 4 St. Paul teaches to the contrary that Abraham was justified apart from works, by his faith alone, before he had offered his son, and proves it by Moses in Genesis 15. Now although this epistle might be helped and an interpretation devised for this justification by works, it cannot be defended in its application to works of Moses' statement in Genesis 15. For Moses is speaking here only of Abraham's faith, and not of his works, as St. Paul demonstrates in Romans 4. This fault, therefore, proves that this epistle is not the work of any apostle.

source: http://www.bible-researcher.com/antilegomena.html

I cannot help but psychoanalyze Martin Luther, the man has a history of challenging authority and a subvertist manner. If one follows his history, he was not really 'called' to the join Holy Orders, rather, was enticed to do so by his father because at the time, being a priest or a monk brought fame and honor to the family.

This man , in life, was a wanted criminal not just by the Church, but also by the State.

Till the very end, he harbored great hatred for the Catholic Church and supreme hatred for the Jews.

Perhaps he forgot that Jesus Christ was a Jew? Jesus Christ was the King of the Jews.

Perhaps he forgot that Mother Mary was also a Jew? That St. Joseph, too, was a Jew?

Perhaps he forgot that the Apostle Paul , whom he favors so much, was also a Jew?

Quote from: islander on May 02, 2012, 11:59:53 AM
in other words, racism seems ingrained in all races, in varying degrees, and i take care to point out that it's in varying degrees, from the most benign to the most rabid and destructive, judging from the posted personal observations and experiences. 

there's always this difference that is credited to the color of one's skin or one's nationality.  too bad, but that is very real.

in the philippines, we may take it for granted, but isn't it racism when we jokingly say that caucasians give off a bad smell?  or that older caucasians who walk our streets are suspected, derisively, as pedophiles?  can we blame marlon brando who once declared that filipinos are sly (and that's his experience with filipinos in the u.s.).  oh, it's easy to react with righteous indignation that we are victims of racism.  but if we look closer at the mirror, we can be racists too, after all.  thus it's safe enough to say that racism is universal. 

now let's hear it from the martians...

         

Well said, Isles. It is impossible for people to not have some kind of prejudice towards other groups of people. It is only natural; one should not deny one's prejudicial tendencies, but rather, recognize one has it and do the utmost best in trying to change that view.

Repression , afterall, is an immature defense mechanism.

Death of Martin Luther:


It was while in this agony of body and torture of mind, that his unsurpassable and irreproducible coarseness attained its culminating point of virtuosity in his anti-Semitic and antipapal pamphlets. "Against the Jews and their Lies" was followed in quick succession by his even more frenzied fusillade "On the Schem Hamphoras" (1542) and "Against the Papacy established by the Devil" (1545). Here, especially in the latter, all coherent thought and utterance is buried in a torrential deluge of vituperation "for which no pen, much less a printing press have ever been found" (Menzel, op. cit., II, 352). His mastery in his chosen method of controversy remained unchallenged. His friends had "a feeling of sorrow. His scolding remained unanswered, but also unnoticed" (Ranke, op. cit., II, 121). Accompanying this last volcanic eruption, as a sort of illustrated commentary "that the common man, who is unable to read, may see and understand what he thought of the papacy" (Forstemann), were issued the nine celebrated caricatures of the pope by Lucas Cranach, with expository verses by Luther. These, "the coarsest drawings that the history of caricature of all times has ever produced" (Lange, "Der Papstesel", Gottingen, 1891,89), were so inexpressibly vile that a common impulse of decency demanded their summary suppression by his friends.

His last act was, as he predicted and prayed for, an attack on the papacy. Summoned to Eisleben, his native place, a short time after, to act as an arbiter in a contention between the brothers Albrecht and Gebhard von Mansfeld, death came with unexpected speed but not suddenly, and he departed this life about three o'clock in the morning, 18 February, 1546, in the presence of a number of friends. The body was taken to Wittenberg for interment, and was buried on the 22 Feb., in the castle church, where it now lies with that of Melancthon.



http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09438b.htm

Luther in Exile at the Wartburg Castle


Luther had powerful friends among the princes of Germany, one of whom was his own prince, Frederick the Wise, Elector of Saxony. The prince arranged for Luther to be seized on his way from the Diet by a company of masked horsemen, who carried him to the castle of the Wartburg, where he was kept about a year. He grew a wide flaring beard; took on the garb of a knight and assumed the pseudonym Jörg. During this period of forced sojourn in the world, Luther was still hard at work upon his celebrated translation of the Bible, though he couldn't rely on the isolation of a monastery. During his translation, Luther would make forays into the nearby towns and markets to listen to people speak, so that he could put his translation of the Bible into the language of the people.

Although his stay at the Wartburg kept Luther hidden from public view, Luther often received letters from his friends and allies, asking for his views and advice. For example, Luther’s closest friend, Philipp Melanchthon, wrote to him and asked how to answer the charge that the reformers neglected pilgrimages, fasts and other traditional forms of piety. Luther's replied: "If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign." [Letter 99.13, To Philipp Melanchthon, 1 August 1521.]

Here I Stand


Luther's Protestant views were condemned as heretical by Pope Leo X in the bull Exsurge Domine in 1520. Consequently Luther was summoned to either renounce or reaffirm them at the Diet of Worms on 17 April 1521. When he appeared before the assembly, Johann von Eck, by then assistant to the Archbishop of Trier, acted as spokesman for Emperor Charles the Fifth. He presented Luther with a table filled with copies of his writings. Eck asked Luther if he still believed what these works taught. He requested time to think about his answer. Granted an extension, Luther prayed, consulted with friends and mediators and presented himself before the Diet the next day.

When the counselor put the same question to Luther the next day, the reformer apologized for the harsh tone of many of his writings, but said that he could not reject the majority of them or the teachings in them. Luther respectfully but boldly stated, "Unless I am convinced by proofs from Scriptures or by plain and clear reasons and arguments, I can and will not retract, for it is neither safe nor wise to do anything against conscience. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen."

On May 25, the Emperor issued his Edict of Worms, declaring Martin Luther an outlaw.

Martin Luther and Judaism

Luther initially preached tolerance towards the Jewish people, convinced that the reason they had never converted to Christianity was that they were discriminated against, or had never heard the Gospel of Christ. However, after his overtures to Jews failed to convince Jewish people to adopt Christianity, he began preaching that the Jews were set in evil, anti-Christian ways, and needed to be expelled from German politics. In his On the Jews and Their Lies, he repeatedly quotes the words of Jesus in Matthew 12:34, where Jesus called them "a brood of vipers and children of the devil"

Luther was zealous toward the Gospel, and he wanted to protect the people of his homeland from the Jews who he believed would be harmful influences since they did not recognize Jesus as their Saviour. In Luther's time, parents had a right and a duty to direct their children's marriage choices in respect to matters of faith. Likewise, Luther felt a duty to direct his German people to cling to the Jesus the Jews did not accept. It should be noted that church law was superior to civil law in Luther's day and that law said the penalty of blasphemy was death. When Luther called for the deaths of certain Jews, he was merely asking that the laws that were applied to all other Germans also be applied to the Jews. The Jews were exempt from the church laws that Christians were bound by, most notably the law against charging interest.




Reference:
http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/martin-luther.html

Luther's Writings

Luther's work contains a number of statements that modern readers would consider rather crude. For example, Luther was know to advise people that they should literally “Tell the Devil he may kiss my ass.” It should be remembered that Luther received many communications from throughout Europe from people who could write anonymously, that is, without the specter of mass media making their communications known. No public figure today could write in the manner of the correspondences Luther received or in the way Luther responded to them. Luther was certainly a theologian of the middle-ages. He was an earthy man who enjoyed his beer, and was bold and often totally without tact in the blunt truth he vehemently preached. While this offended many, it endeared him all the more to others.

He was open with his frustrations and emotions, as well. Once, when asked if he truly loved God, Luther replied “Love God? Sometimes I hate Him!” Luther was also frustrated by the works-emphasis of the book of James, calling it “the Epistle of Straw, and questioning its canonicity. Also irritated with the complex symbolism of the Book of Revelation, he once said that it too, was not canon, and that it should be thrown into the river! He later retracted these statements, of course. Luther was a man who was easily misquoted or taken out of context. While a brilliant theologian, and a bold reformer, he would not have made a good politician. But then, he never aspired to any career in politics.

Luther's struggle to find peace with God

Young Brother Martin fully dedicated himself to monastic life, the effort to do good works to please God and to serve others through prayer for their souls. Yet peace with God escaped him. He devoted himself to fasts, flagellations, long hours in prayer and pilgrimages, and constant confession. The more he tried to do for God, it seemed, the more aware he became of his sinfulness.

Johann von Staupitz, Luther's superior, concluded the young man needed more work to distract him from pondering himself. He ordered the monk to pursue an academic career. In 1507 Luther was ordained to the priesthood. In 1508 he began teaching theology at the University of Wittenberg. Luther earned his Bachelor's degree in Biblical Studies on 9 March 1508 and a Bachelor's degree in the Sentences by Peter Lombard, (the main textbook of theology in the Middle Ages) in 1509. On 19 October 1512, the University of Wittenberg conferred upon Martin Luther the degree of Doctor of Theology.

Martin Luther's early life

Martin Luther’s father owned a copper mine in nearby Mansfeld. Having risen from the peasantry, his father was determined to see his son ascend to civil service and bring further honor to the family. To that end, Hans sent young Martin to schools in Mansfeld, Magdeburg and Eisenach. At the age of seventeen in 1501 he entered the University of Erfurt. The young student received his Bachelor's degree after just one year in 1502! Three years later, in 1505, he received a Master's degree. According to his father's wishes, Martin enrolled in the law school of that university. All that changed during a thunderstorm in the summer of 1505. A lightening bolt struck near to him as he was returning to school. Terrified, he cried out, "Help, St. Anne! I'll become a monk!" Spared of his life, but regretting his words, Luther kept his bargain, dropped out of law school and entered the monastery there.

Martin Luther (November 10, 1483 - February 18, 1546) was a Christian theologian and Augustinian monk whose teachings inspired the Protestant Reformation and deeply influenced the doctrines of Protestant and other Christian traditions. Martin Luther was born to Hans and Margaretha Luder on 10 November 1483 in Eisleben, Germany and was baptised the next day on the feast of St. Martin of Tours, after whom he was named. Luther’s call to the Church to return to the teachings of the Bible resulted in the formation of new traditions within Christianity and the Counter-Reformation in the Roman Catholic Church, culminating at the Council of Trent.

His translation of the Bible also helped to develop a standard version of the German language and added several principles to the art of translation. Luther's hymns sparked the development of congregational singing in Christianity. His marriage, on June 13, 1525, to Katharina von Bora, a former nun, began the tradition of clerical marriage within several Christian traditions.

Good Luck on your genealogical search, Claire. I hope that our members from Pilar can rise up to the occasion and help your endeavor.

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Addendum:


Many protestants will argue with Catholics, "where is it said in the holy bible that one should pray for the dead ?"

They will never see the answer they ask for if they refer only to their adulterated version of the Holy Bible, because the biblical verse that supports the prayers for the dead (in essence, the support for the state of purgatory) is found in the Book of Maccabees.

The Biblical Verse that supports the Prayers for the dead is found in 2 Maccabbees Chapter 12 Verses 38-46:

[GREEK]

38 ΙοÏ...δαÏ, δὲ ἀναλαβὼν Ï,,ὸ σÏ,,ράÏ,,εÏ...μα ἧκεν εἰÏ, Οδολλαμ πόλιν Ï,,ῆÏ, δὲ á¼'βδομάδοÏ, ἐπιβαλλούσηÏ, καÏ,,á½° Ï,,ὸν ἐθισμὸν ἁγνισθένÏ,,εÏ, αὐÏ,,όθι Ï,,ὸ σάββαÏ,,ον διήγαγον 39 Ï,,ῇ δὲ ἐχομένῃ ἦλθον οἱ περὶ Ï,,ὸν ΙοÏ...δαν καθ' ὃν χρόνον Ï,,ὸ Ï,,ῆÏ, χρείαÏ, ἐγεγόνει Ï,,á½° σώμαÏ,,α Ï,,ῶν προπεπÏ,,ωκόÏ,,ων ἀνακομίσασθαι καὶ μεÏ,,á½° Ï,,ῶν σÏ...γγενῶν ἀποκαÏ,,ασÏ,,ῆσαι εἰÏ, Ï,,οὺÏ, παÏ,,ρῴοÏ...Ï, Ï,,άφοÏ...Ï, 40 εὗρον δὲ á¼'κάσÏ,,οÏ... Ï,,ῶν Ï,,εθνηκόÏ,,ων á½'πὸ Ï,,οὺÏ, χιÏ,,ῶναÏ, ἱερώμαÏ,,α Ï,,ῶν ἀπὸ ΙαμνείαÏ, εἰδώλων ἀφ' ὧν ὁ νόμοÏ, ἀπείργει Ï,,οὺÏ, ΙοÏ...δαίοÏ...Ï, Ï,,οῖÏ, δὲ πᾶσι σαφὲÏ, ἐγένεÏ,,ο διὰ Ï,,ήνδε Ï,,ὴν αἰÏ,,ίαν Ï,,ούσδε πεπÏ,,ωκέναι 41 πάνÏ,,εÏ, οὖν εὐλογήσανÏ,,εÏ, Ï,,á½° Ï,,οῦ δικαιοκρίÏ,,οÏ... κÏ...ρίοÏ... Ï,,á½° κεκρÏ...μμένα φανερὰ ποιοῦνÏ,,οÏ, 42 εἰÏ, ἱκεÏ,,είαν ἐÏ,,ράπησαν ἀξιώσανÏ,,εÏ, Ï,,ὸ γεγονὸÏ, ἁμάρÏ,,ημα Ï,,ελείωÏ, ἐξαλειφθῆναι ὁ δὲ γενναῖοÏ, ΙοÏ...δαÏ, παρεκάλεσε Ï,,ὸ πλῆθοÏ, σÏ...νÏ,,ηρεῖν αá½'Ï,,οὺÏ, ἀναμαρÏ,,ήÏ,,οÏ...Ï, εἶναι á½'Ï€' á½,,ψιν á¼'ωρακόÏ,,αÏ, Ï,,á½° γεγονόÏ,,α διὰ Ï,,ὴν Ï,,ῶν προπεπÏ,,ωκόÏ,,ων ἁμαρÏ,,ίαν 43 ποιησάμενόÏ, Ï,,ε καÏ,,' ἀνδρολογίαν εἰÏ, ἀργÏ...ρίοÏ... δραχμὰÏ, δισχιλίαÏ, ἀπέσÏ,,ειλεν εἰÏ, ΙεροσόλÏ...μα προσαγαγεῖν περὶ ἁμαρÏ,,ίαÏ, θÏ...σίαν πάνÏ... καλῶÏ, καὶ ἀσÏ,,είωÏ, πράÏ,,Ï,,ων á½'πὲρ ἀνασÏ,,άσεωÏ, διαλογιζόμενοÏ, 44 εἰ μὴ γὰρ Ï,,οὺÏ, προπεπÏ,,ωκόÏ,,αÏ, ἀνασÏ,,ῆναι προσεδόκα περισσὸν καὶ ληρῶδεÏ, á½'πὲρ νεκρῶν εá½"χεσθαι 45 εἶÏ,,ε' ἐμβλέπων Ï,,οῖÏ, μεÏ,,' εὐσεβείαÏ, κοιμωμένοιÏ, κάλλισÏ,,ον ἀποκείμενον χαρισÏ,,ήριον 46 ὁσία καὶ εὐσεβὴÏ, ἡ ἐπίνοια á½...θεν περὶ Ï,,ῶν Ï,,εθνηκόÏ,,ων Ï,,ὸν ἐξιλασμὸν ἐποιήσαÏ,,ο Ï,,ῆÏ, ἁμαρÏ,,ίαÏ, ἀπολÏ...θῆναι



[ENGLISH]

38 So Judas having gathered together his army, came into the city Odollam: and when the seventh day came, they purified themselves according to the custom, and kept the sabbath in the same place. 39 And the day following Judas came with his company, to take away the bodies of them that were slain, and to bury them with their kinsmen, in the sepulchres of their fathers. 40 And they found under the coats of the slain, some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids to the Jews: so that all plainly saw, that for this cause they were slain. 41 Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. 42 And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain. 43 And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection. 44 (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead), 45 and because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. 46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.



Note: Martin Luther removed 2nd Maccabees because he did not agree with the need to prayer for the dead, nor did he on the Catholic Teaching of Purgatory. He could not support his belief through biblical text, so what did he do? He removed the BIBLICAL TEXTS that supported the Catholic Doctrine.

Quote from: Way Nada on May 01, 2012, 02:16:49 PM
The book of James in the NT where it is written that "faith without works is useless" was almost deleted by Martin Luther because of his hersey of bible alone doctrine.   

Ah, yes, you are referring to the protestant notion of Sola Scriptura.

The primacy in Protestant theological study rests on the notion of Literal Interpretation of the Holy Bible and that The Holy Bible is alone sufficient. Tho I do credit our protestant brothers and sisters for their spirit and in the Love of Jesus Christ, which is the underlying similarity between Catholic Doctrine and Protestant Doctrine.

However, the fallability in their argument of SOLA SCRIPTURA lies in the fact that their version of the bible is devoid of the 7 original Books that are found in the Roman Catholic Holy Bible.

We are taught by the Holy Magesterium et Catholica Ecclesia that Revealed Truth is given to us through:

1. Sacred Scripture

and

2. Sacred Tradition

Quote from: balong on April 24, 2012, 09:29:52 AM
bai lorenz,

nag pm ko ni mike from my gmail account, wa man mo tubag. basin busy pa. di pa seguro ka atubang  aning atong issue. so cool off lang sa ta. hulat lang for further developments. hinaut unta nga dili ka ma usab lorenz. kay basta doktor, segurado man jud nga daku ug income. basin ma datu na ka, ma pareha ka sa ahong pag umangkon. sauna sa nag income pa sija ug $250000 kong maka bisita ko nija, wiktan dajon ko ug $500 para pang gasolina. karon nga mi asenso na, he is already the head of the corporation and making an income of more than a million bucks a year, wa na juy witik. na tihik na imbis na milyonaryo. maajo pa sauna medyo pobre pa kay maka hatag pa. karon wala na. mao nga dili na pod ko mamisita nija. busa lorenz, pag bantay jud nga dili pod ka ma usab. stay the sweet, loving and kind boy that you are...hihihihi

Thanks for the kind and colorful advice, Bai Balong.

Quote from: alycxs on May 02, 2012, 11:00:10 AM
Hubs and Balong,

when you think of making millions, the first thing that comes to my mind is real estate. ( Donald Trump, Robert Kiyosaki, Carlton Sheets...) Lots of people made their money elsewhere too but the easiest and most solid, in my humble opinion is real estate. Remember, in Abraham Maslow's pyramid, shelter aka housing is a basic need.

its a matter of arithmetic. Buy low, sell high. It works even in good old Bohol and its oh so simple that its easy to understand.  My first deal, we got the house at $57k, it appraised at $115, we put $25k improv on it and we rent it out for $1k/mo and pay the bank $600. No money down, full financing, including repairs and improvements. We get a check every month for doing NOTHING. really. its hard work for the 2 months your getting the deal done and renovating. After that, you just wait for your check in the mail. $300 extra after note service may be small but its still $300 you didn't lift a finger to earn. No watching the market, no reading the newspapers everyday. Most of all, if something breaks, get a hammer and fix it.Or hire someone and get a tax break via business expense. The last one I closed yesterday. got it for $49k, sold for $86k, didn't do anything to the house. just $300 of yardwork and utilities. Its not gonna make you an instant millionaire, but heck, if you've already made 6 figures for the first 3 months of the year on just 3 houses, I'm happy. :-)

Bitaw, not trying to put you down Balong. Just MicroCap is just too darn complicated and so much room for error, fraud and speculation. Its too scary for most people. Its something you can't touch or hold or be happy to hang on to because you never know how the value will do on the day to day.  If becoming a millionaire is your goal, Real Estate is a much safer and better bet. Why else does cable TV have so many shows involving fixing and flipping houses ? :-)

I like this saying, "Buy Low, Sell High". This is actually taught in Strategic Business Management.

Quote from: Way Nada on May 02, 2012, 07:21:00 AM
Reply:

The word "septuagint" means seventy. The Septuagint Version was authorized by Ptolemy II to be translated by hiring 70 rabbis. "There should have been no new testament if the Septuagint Version was not written." That's the catch if anybody here will try to understand.

WN

That is a good point.

Quote from: Way Nada on May 02, 2012, 07:11:04 AM
Reply:

Martin Luther has no authority except taking out other books in the bible that contradict to his heretical teaching. Example is the book of 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 which is one of the bases in our teaching of purgatory. It says;

"43And making a gathering, he twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection,

44(For if he had not hoped that the that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,)

  45And because he considered that the who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.

  46It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

To evade those verses above Martin Luther took out Maccabees in his new canon of the bible without authority.

WN

Yes, Luther was a heretic. He had no authority to remove the 7 books. What took hundreds of years for the COUNCIL OF NICEA to promulgate and to form , Luther's heresy tried to subvert with the tearing of a few pages.

His nailing of the 95 thesis on the church door was also an example of desecration and vandalism.

It is important to note that tho Luther helped caused the Protestant Wars with the Catholic Church, within his own lifetime, his own congregational followers split from him and formed their own churches. That is why there is only One, Holy, Roman Catholic Church and thousands and thousands of protestant churches.

Quote from: taga tigbao on May 02, 2012, 10:12:58 AM
Is the Septuagint the same as the Deuterocanon Books? Unsa man pud nang Apocrypha?

The SEPTUAGINT is all the Old Testament Books written in Hebrew. The Apocryphal Books are the 7 books that are included in the ROMAN CATHOLIC BIBLE , which are erased in the PROTESTANT BIBLE (St. James Version etc).

These 7 books include: Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel.

This is why, Vince, do not ever try to debate with a Protestant about biblical scripture because they do not read the entire Bible. The bible that they read (St. James Version etc) are devoid of the 7 books. These books were stricken from their bible by the heretic Martin Luther.

Quote from: alycxs on May 02, 2012, 10:33:23 AM
pagkalaming dli tambalan..hahaha lami hinuon butangan ug iodized salt iyang samad igo mo tig-ik murag baktin lechonon sa pista hahahaha !. Haaaay..repeat repeat nalang ang hippocratic oath hantud dli na lami samtan. 

Lagi, kahibaw ko nga makaluluoy sila sauna, pero maayo gani sila, sa sila nay na libre, at least naa sila gapuyo sa USofA, kitang mga pinoy, sa nalibre nata sa mga katsila, unsa may gibilin nila nato ? korup nga gobyerno ug mga gwaffa ug gwaffong mestizos and mestizas LOL !  Bitaw. Kung huna-hunaon, sa emancipation, nakakuha sila ug 2 acres and a mule. Ang pinoy, unsa man dagway nakuha nato sa mga katsila beh o diba sa Japan after world war II...JAICA ? kung huna-hunaon, mas daghang asians nga dapat mas suko pa sa kalibutan kesa nila pero sige lang jud nang mentality na kept down by "The man" . Lami bitaw ipakog unya ingnon. "dong, tan-aw kuno. Ang taw sa amerika, murag rainbow, naa puti, itum, brown, red, purple ug uban pa, nganong kadtong uyamot kagikan TNT pa uban, molambo man, pero kamo, hinungitan man unta mos gobyerno, wala man tawn mo ni lambo "

anyway, undang nako. sakit dughan kapoy.

ha ha ha ! perting katawa ko sa imong response, Alice. In regards to that particular patient, I just looked at him, checked on his charts and walked away. Kining mga itom nga na raised sa "streets" they have been indoctrinated to think a certain way and to speak a certain way, kuan ilang lifestyle , agresibo kaayo. Given, many of them grew up in very abusive homes and are living in an environment that is saturated with a plethora of criminal activity (drugs, murders, gangbang shootings, prostitution, etc).

For the most part, ma luoy ko sa ilang upbringing, but there are times (and this particular incident was one of them) where I had an urge to say something.

You are right tho, Alice. There are a great many African-Americans who perpetuate their lifestyle and do not raise their way of living. I even had a conversation one time with an African-American nurse who said to me, "Doc, i really respect y'all Filipinos because you all are very hard working."

And that is right, the great many Filipinos that come to the United States work hard and strive to better their living conditions. The difference , in my view, is that Filipinos have a natural yearning to succeed. Many of us do not have the opportunity in the Philippines or the opportunity is very limited, and when placed here in the United States, we are able to sprout and bloom.

My gf , for example, comes from very humble beginnings. Her parents grew up in Iloilo (her mother) and Bacolod (her father) , and they were very poor. But when they came to the United States (her father is an Engineer and her mother is an RN), they blossomed. Now, her family own a very large Home Health Care Company that employs 30 nurses and sees hundreds of patients. My gf is an M.D , like myself. Both of us are product of the 'Brain Drain', but the opportunity we had to blossom was because of our parents immigration to the United States.

That is the difference. Filipinos strive. No matter where we are.

Historical importance of the Septuagint


The importance of the Septuagint Version is shown by the following considerations:

(1) The Septuagint is the most ancient translation of the Old Testament and consequently is invaluable to critics for understanding and correcting the Hebrew text (Massorah), the latter, such as it has come down to us, being the text established by the Massoretes in the sixth century A.D. Many textual corruptions, additions, omissions, or transpositions must have crept into the Hebrew text between the third and second centuries B.C. and the sixth and seventh centuries of our era; the manuscripts therefore which the Seventy had at their disposal, may in places have been better than the Massoretic manuscripts.

(2) The Septuagint Version accepted first by the Alexandrian Jews, and afterwards by all the Greek-speaking countries, helped to spread among the Gentiles the idea and the expectation of the Messias, and to introduce into Greek the theological terminology that made it a most suitable instrument for the propagation of the Gospel of Christ.

(3) The Jews made use of it long before the Christian Era, and in the time of Christ it was recognised as a legitimate text, and was employed in Palestine even by the rabbis. The Apostles and Evangelists utilised it also and borrowed Old Testament citations from it, especially in regard to the prophecies. The Fathers and the other ecclesiastical writers of the early Church drew upon it, either directly, as in the case of the Greek Fathers, or indirectly, like the Latin Fathers and writers and others who employed Latin, Syriac, Ethiopian, Arabic and Gothic versions. It was held in high esteem by all, some even believed it inspired. Consequently, a knowledge of the Septuagint helps to a perfect understanding of these literatures.

(4) At the present time, the Septuagint is the official text in the Greek Church, and the ancient Latin Versions used in the western church were made from it; the earliest translation adopted in the Latin Church, the Vetus Itala, was directly from the Septuagint: the meanings adopted in it, the Greek names and words employed (such as: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers [Arithmoi], Deuteronomy), and finally, the pronunciation given to the Hebrew text, passed very frequently into the Itala, and from it, at times, into the Vulgate, which not rarely gives signs of the influence of the Vetus Itala; this is especially so in the Psalms, the Vulgate translation being merely the Vetus Itala corrected by St. Jerome according to the hexaplar text of the Septuagint.




http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13722a.htm

The History of the Septuagint; Terminology


THE SEPTUAGINT, derived from the Latin word for "seventy," can be a confusing term, since ideally it refers to the third-century BCE Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, executed in Alexandria, Egypt. But the full story behind the translation and the various stages, amplifications, and modifications to the collection we now call the Septuagint is complicated.

The earliest, and best known, source for the story of the Septuagint is the Letter of Aristeas, a lengthy document that recalls how Ptolemy (Philadelphus II [285â€"247 BCE]), desiring to augment his library in Alexandria, Egypt, commissioned a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek. Ptolemy wrote to the chief priest, Eleazar, in Jerusalem, and arranged for six translators from each of the twelve tribes of Israel. The seventy-two (altered in a few later versions to seventy or seventy-five) translators arrived in Egypt to Ptolemy's gracious hospitality, and translated the Torah (also called the Pentateuch: the first five books of the Hebrew Scriptures) in seventy-two days. Opinions as to when this occurred differ, ranging from 282 to about 250 BCE.

Philo of Alexandria (fl. 1st c CE) confirms that only the Torah was commissioned to be translated, and some modern scholars have concurred, noting a kind of consistency in the translation style of the Greek Penteteuch. Over the course of the three centuries following Ptolemy's project, however, other books of the Hebrew Scriptures were translated into Greek. It is not altogether clear which book was translated when, and in what locale. It seems that sometimes a Hebrew book was translated more than once, or that a particular Greek translation was revised. In other cases, a work was composed afresh in Greek, yet was included in subsequent collections of the Scriptures. By observing technical terms and translation styles, by comparing the Greek versions to the Dead Sea Scrolls, and by comparing them to Hellenistic literature, scholars are in the process of stitching together an elusive history of the translations that eventually found their way into collections.

By Philo's time the memory of the seventy-two translators was vibrant, an important part of Jewish life in Alexandria (Philo, Life of Moses 2.25â€"44). Pilgrims, both Jews and Gentiles, celebrated a yearly festival on the island where they conducted their work. The celebrity of the Septuagint and its translators remained strong in Christianity. The earliest Christian references to the translation, from the mid-second century (SS Justin Martyr and Irenaeus), credit the entire Old Testament in Greek, whether originally written in Hebrew or not, to the seventy-two. Thus Christians conflated the Septuagint with their Old Testament canon (a canon that included the so-called apocrypha). For their part, Jewish rabbis, particularly Pharisees, reacted to the Christian appropriation of the Septuagint by producing fresh translations of their Scriptures (e.g., Aquila, in 128 CE, or Symmachus in the late 2d c. CE), and discouraging the use of the Septuagint. By the second century Christian and Jewish leaders had cemented their position on the form and character of the Scriptures. By and large, Christians held to the peculiar, prophetic character of their Septuagint, and Jews rejected it.

In the third century, the great Christian scholar, Origen (184/85â€"254/55), keenly interested in the textual differences between the Hebrew and the Greek, set out to arrange the Church's Old Testament in six columns: (1) the Hebrew, (2) a Greek transliteration of the Hebrew, (3) Aquila's translation, (4) Symmachus's translation, (5) the Septuagint (LXX), and (6) Theodotion. The volumes were compiled in Caesarea, probably between 230 and 240 CE, a project funded by Origen's patron. The resultant work, called the Hexapla ("six-fold"), was massive, and has perished except for fragments. Origen was a very careful scholar, but he did not observe modern editorial conventions. His version of the LXX draws from several different manuscript families and embraces readings that bring the text closer to the Hebrew text of his day. Thus, this fifth LXX column, while establishing the first "standardized text" of the Christian Church, created problems for modern scholars who would seek to recover a pre-Christian version of the LXX.

Further recensions of the Greek text in the fourth century are attested. Hesychius (fl. 3/4th c.) is said to have created a recension for the Church in Egypt; Lucian (d. 312 CE), in Antioch. Some scholars posit other recensions from this period. Thus, we find some Greek Church Fathers quoting the same Old Testament texts, but in very different forms. There is no indication, however, that this troubled Church leadership. The insistence on letter-for-letter, word-for-word accuracy in the Scriptures was a feature that was not to emerge in Christian thought for many centuries, and only then after a similar insistence appeared in Judaism and Islam. As far as most early Christians were concerned, any Greek version of the Old Testament read in the Church merited the term Septuagint.

Wherever Christianity spread, translations of the Hebrew Scriptures were made based on the LXX. Thus, it became the basis for translations made into Arabic, Armenian, Coptic, Ethiopic, Georgian, Old Latin, and Old Church Slavonic. (It was not the basis either for the Syriac version [known as the Peshitta], which is a pre-Christian translation based directly upon the Hebrew; the LXX is also not the basis for St. Jerome's Latin translation, which, like the Peshitta, is based on the Hebrew.)

Modern scholars, sifting through this very interesting and elusive history, have attempted to create editions of the Septuagint that reflect as early a text as possible. Rahlfs's edition of the LXX (1935) is semi-critical, utilizing what he believed to be the chief manuscripts. Brooke, McLean, and Thackeray's partial edition (1906â€"40) sought a more critical approach. The Göttingen edition of the LXX (1931â€"), now mostly complete, is the most critical edition of the LXX, taking into account over 120 manuscripts, many languages, and a multitude of patristic quotations. Modern Biblical scholars accept the Göttingen as the standard edition, but the ease and accessibility of Rahlfs's edition has made it a popular alternative. Bear in mind, all these editions are eclectic, thoughtful attempts to reconstruct the earliest version of the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible.

The term Septuagint could refer to any historical stage of the Greek translation of the Old Testament. A strict, purist use of Septuagint would allow the term to be used only of the earliest, (probably) unrecoverable translation of the Pentateuch made by the Jewish scholars around 282 BCE. Some refer to this earliest stage as the "Old Greek," but with some confusion, since this suggests that the term Septuagint should be applied only to texts with no connection to the legend of the seventy-two. For the purposes of this website, I use Septuagint to refer to the entire tradition of Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures, and not to any single text or phase.

http://www.kalvesmaki.com/lxx/

I would recommend reading the Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint:

Quote from: simplylee on May 01, 2012, 03:25:51 PM
aron walay lalis adto ta mobase sa original nga libro sa bible dili ang translations kun naa na sa original hebrew old testament ug original greek new testament ato na dawaton

Ate Lee,

If one wants to study the Holy Bible and to get to the root of the meaning, don't stop at the Hebrew translation, one should read the Armaic version, the language that the Lord Jesus Christ spoke in.

However, if one is only interested to read the Greek and Hebrew version, one can do this by reading the SEPTUAGINT. Again, one should take foundational classes  in Greek and Hebrew so as not to make translational mistakes in the interpretation.

I recommend reading the SEPTUAGINT.

Quote from: hubag bohol on May 01, 2012, 03:55:50 PM



He he... 

Good doggy !

Quote from: simplylee on May 01, 2012, 03:25:51 PM
aron walay lalis adto ta mobase sa original nga libro sa bible dili ang translations kun naa na sa original hebrew old testament ug original greek new testament ato na dawaton

Yes, one can easily do this by reading the SEPTUAGINT.

Quote from: Way Nada on May 01, 2012, 02:16:49 PM
No... no... no... Martin Luther did not remove the Didache from the bible. The Didache  was pusposely not included in the canon of the bible. But in the case of Martin Luther when he departed from Catholicism he compiled his own canon of the bible by taking out 7 books of the original compilation namely; Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel. The book of James in the NT where it is written that "faith without works is useless" was almost deleted by Martin Luther because of his hersey of bible alone doctrine.   

One cannot help but ask, "what authority did Martin Luther have to remove 7 books of the Holy Bible?"

Quote from: Way Nada on May 01, 2012, 02:16:49 PM
No... no... no... Martin Luther did not remove the Didache from the bible. The Didache  was pusposely not included in the canon of the bible. But in the case of Martin Luther when he departed from Catholicism he compiled his own canon of the bible by taking out 7 books of the original compilation namely; Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel. The book of James in the NT where it is written that "faith without works is useless" was almost deleted by Martin Luther because of his hersey of bible alone doctrine.   

Sir Way Nada,

I didn't say that Martin Luther removed the didache, but rather removed the 7 books: Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel. His removal of these books established the 'protestant' bible.

The form that the protestant denominations read are incomplete and adulterated versions of the Holy Bible.

If one wants to read the bible, read the Bible that was promulgated by the Council of Nicea, the Roman Catholic Bible.

Best,
Lorenzo

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on May 01, 2012, 10:55:21 AM
Sa tinuod lang hadlok jud ning itom. Mo smile ta nila kay magmug ot nuon ug samot inay ing smile ta. True ang itom nga immigrant mao nay pinakamaayo pero ug itom nga nagtubo diri gawas nga di ta kasabot sa ilang sinultian di pud friendly.
Grabe no sa bathtub nangalibang pila raman untay pagtawag ug plumber ug wa ikabayad kasayon ray pag plumbing.

He he he lain bitaw ni ilang 'ebonics' lingo.

Quote from: enadespinosa on April 30, 2012, 06:30:18 PM
oo bai bisan deri sa UK as much as possible magbantay gyud ka sa imong guisulti bisan pungot na ka kay sa ma kiha ka delikado.

Bitaw bai, mag watch out lang ta kai di maayo og ma suko suko pod sila nato.

Quote from: alycxs on April 30, 2012, 11:01:56 PM
Sa akong trabaho, lisod usahay dili i-discriminate. Magsige ko ug pahinumdum sa akong kaugalingon to keep an open mind. Unsaon man, kung naa itumon mang-apply (for rent house) , inig dagan sa background check, naa jud sango. Sa mga babaye, 1 out of 2 nga na arrested ug fraud, ug di gani, na preso jud. Sa mga lalaki, murag tanan naa jud history nga na arrested marijuana, theft etc. pastilan. Wala sad klaro income, halos 95% siguro naay social security. gipalamon sa gobyerno, ug disability nga able bodied man unta dagway. Wala paka sa mga anak nga 3-4 kabuok, lahi2 apelyedo kay lahi2 diay tog amahan. toinks ! Ang mga dili badlongon ug hinlo ug record, kadto mga itum nga immigrants gikan Bahamas ug South America. Mga edukado pa kaau.

Kung mag-eval sad ko ug balay nga palitunon, kung itumon ang na-foreclosan, wala bisan bombilya nabilin, buho2 ang bungbung, ingon ka lang ug gi-rape ang balay. Lahi ra jud sa ubang color kay bisan na ug untidy, dli jud preha ka warak nga tinuyuan. Laliman mo, diha kas-a nga didto na nangalibang sa bathtub kay nag overflow na ang inodoro. Ijara gyud oi pwera gaba.

Mao na, kung magsugod nasad ko ug Open House kung naay rent house nga ma ready, mo ginhawa ko ug lawon ug mag-ampo nga makabingwit tawn ko ug mga tarong2 nga pamilya kay naa man sad mga tarong nga itumon. Talagsa lang gyud kaayo. :-)

Maayo bitaw ning ehemplo nimo, Alice, there are good and bad examples gajod. Ahong experience lang , working as a Medical Intern diri sa Chicago (at a hospital in the south side of Chicago) daghang kaayong cases makit-an diri, from trauma, gun shot, muggings, rape, to typical pathological cases.

I can say that being on call for many hours and responding to code blues diri, most of all the gun shot patients we have are African-American patients, daghan ni sila myembro sa mga gangs diri sa Chicago; Bloods, Crips, etc. One time galing, Alice, while I was on call and doing rounds in the ICU (intensive care unit), nag check up ko sa usang pasyente nako (itom, batan-on pa; came in because of gun shot to the back; on the lumbar vertebrae), when I came to ask how he was doing and how he was feeling, ning ingon nako, "Ahh shyat da fak up man, can't a brothaa get some peace in hyea widout y'all trying to pizzz me off? Fak yall doctors n nurses n shyiet, can't a nigggah get respekt in hea."

Drink a lot of water ; hydration is critical.

He he he, ka pas pas ra kaayo ang panahon. Dako na kaayo si Ondoy Jacob, i still remember when you were still pregnant with him only a couple of years ago.

Maka hinomdom man pod ko sa unang panahon, sa bata pako, palitan kog hat nga ing aning material. Pariho sa hat sa ahong lolo. Og mo bisita gajod si Lolo sa amohang basak sa Valencia, mo wear mi duha sa hat namo. He he he!

Naka hinomdom og na hidlaw na ko ni lolo.

For lunch, Dra. Babycakes made spinach salad with grilled chicken breast and had croutouns on the side. Ning share kami og diet coke . Afterwards, balik napod sa trabajo !

Buotan gajod ni si babycakes ... :-)

Quote from: islander on April 30, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
sila ra?  if you ended up giggling, i better tell your babycakes to watch out!

ayaw ko isunbong , isles, kai kusion gajod ko nija..huhuhu

Quote from: islander on April 30, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
sila ra?  if you ended up giggling, i better tell your babycakes to watch out!

hahaha! ning hilak intawn si mommy og si daddy, ingon si mommy, "dy', unsaon man og ma ana ko og ma tigulang na ko?"
ingon si daddy ni mommy, "ayaw pag sinulti'an ana, my, kai dili ko ma buhi ug wala na ka. i can't live without you, 'my."

then ning hilak sila duha.

nag dungog ra ko nila, and ning hilak pod ko pero i tried to hide the fact that i was crying. gi wipe nako ahong tears.

unsaon man lagi...ma sentimental pod ta ba. hehehe

Quote from: taga tigbao on April 30, 2012, 10:08:33 PM
Hahahaha. Correct Bro! And we call our future babies Baby Bear.

Hahaha! that is so cute!

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on April 30, 2012, 10:38:43 PM
Chinese bitaw ni si Meow Ping hehehhe ni hao deng meow ping. Naay kitty ni Jacob iyang ginganlan ug Meow Kongkong .

Ha ha ha ha! mo ingon si deng meow ping balik, "Wo hen hao"

Naa pod kay picture ni Meow Kongkong?

"Lorenzo, have you ever changed a colostomy bag before?"

"No, I was not trained to do that in medical school."

"Okay, well come over here, I'll show you how to do it...."

"Oh, okay...o my god, it smells so bad!!"

Quote from: Way Nada on April 29, 2012, 06:28:10 AM
The Didache because this book is considered to be a book on cathecism of the early christians.

WN

Good answer, Sir Way Nada !

In other words, Martin Luther, could not refute Catholic teachings via scriptural, so he made it policy to remove it from scripture. He removed the 7 books that supports Catholic doctrine and Tradition.

By doing this, however, Luther was committing heresy ! And knowingly too. Within his own lifetime, his own congregation split from him and formed their own groups.

Quote from: enadespinosa on April 30, 2012, 09:49:34 PM
good boy look lang bai pero delikado usahay bai.

ha ha ha! good boy in the outside, pero bad boy diay sa sulud eh? mura diay ka ni james dean , bai.