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Why our political system is hopeless?
« on: September 20, 2007, 12:49:15 PM »
Just think of this:

During the recent Philippine Councilors League-Bohol elections, the councilors (who are addressed as honorables) allowed themselves to be bought with hot cash. Councilors buying votes of fellow councilors. Honorables selling votes to honorables. The price was P2,000 plus per vote.

And the world is watching. The general public is gawking at them. Now we have perfect models for our children.

The hoipoloi has a perfect excuse why his or her vote is always on sale.



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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 01:00:27 PM »
Mr Admin,

It's not that these people are evil, it's just that they know they can get away with it. We have so many laws, but all these are effective only on paper. Wala man gihapon epek.

In other countries, politicians cannot do these things nga harap harapan because they know they can't get away with it.

Most crimes go unpunished in our country, unfortunately. And crimes committed by politicians, more so.

So what's to stop them from being corrupt? Nothing...

Being a politician in our country is being immune from punishment. Our politicians fear nothing and no one.

So, yes, our political system is hopeless.

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2007, 01:07:41 PM »
Sometimes I'm tempted to think that if it is only possible, we should sell our country to the U.S. or UK or Canada, and let them rule over us.

We are immature and we don't know how to rule or govern ourselves.

Our independence is meaningless.

It would have been better if the Americans (like during the early 1900s) were the administrators of our country.

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2007, 01:10:47 PM »
sa japan or korea nalang kay dool ra

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 02:19:48 PM »
Hahahaha!

Karon pa ko naka kita sa award ni Mr Mohandis nga virgin....

Hahahaha!

Ambot lang kaha tinuod ba jud...unsaon pag prove nga dili man na ma prove  ;D

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2007, 10:35:49 AM »
I don't know why you bury this down here.
This is a most critical thing.
Is there no hope?
Is that why the doctors leave their place of birth?
The brain drain?
In one sense they are selfish, they leave or run awayto make money for their own family but turn their back on their country.
I see a lot of people throwing jingoistic speeches all around but, talk is cheap. There is no presence. Sending money back  for their own family is nice; but, it is a cop-out.

I have said it before, and I am not saying it now to flatter you Mike.
This forum is a serious thing. Not just another Friendster.
Use it.
Call out to the Ex-pats. Demand attention.
If you think about it, the expats could do a lot. My guess is that a lot of the expats are connected to some of the dynasties here.
But, there is a diversity of people in the expat group that allows for a lot of the people to be not so connected as some to be satisfied with the status quo.
Do you have an email program?
How about starting a grass roots movement, JUST to bring more people to the forum?

Mike, think about it. There never has been an opportunity like this forum, don't waste it.

Something has to be done to save this beautiful country.

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 02:39:20 PM »
Just think of this:

During the recent Philippine Councilors League-Bohol elections, the councilors (who are addressed as honorables) allowed themselves to be bought with hot cash. Councilors buying votes of fellow councilors. Honorables selling votes to honorables. The price was P2,000 plus per vote.

And the world is watching. The general public is gawking at them. Now we have perfect models for our children.

The hoipoloi has a perfect excuse why his or her vote is always on sale.



In the US, there is something called "pork".  Pork is money going to specific projects in your district.  If you are a California senator, for example, you have a list of projects.  A West Virginia senator has a list of their own projects.  They then swap votes - the California guy votes for the West Virginian's projects and vice versa.

As you can tell, then, this have very little to do with the merit of the projects and everything to do with hte desire of the various people for projects.  It's called "bringing home the bacon".

I think you can see that while the purchase and sale of votes is more blatant than this, it's still effectively what's going on, right in the US. 

In many respects, your system is superior to ours.  One quick example should prove the point.  You have a public transport system that actually works.  Jeepneys take people down major roads, and Trikes go from major roads to individual houses in a subdivision.  Jeepney fares are around 7.5 pesos and trikes around 5.  So if you have a trip where you take a trike to a Jeepney and it gets you to your destination, you are paying about P12.5 or about $ 0.30.

In the USA, busses are government monopolies.  They require that busses be a certain size and that they are driven by unionized drivers who get paid a lot.  The bus system in Pittsburgh has a fare of US$2.75 per trip, or approximately 10 times what it costs to provide the same service in the Philippines.  The bus companies lose huge amounts of money even at those fares and they are heavily subsidized by the government. So your typical bus ride actually costs from $4-5 to provide.

So you can see that the Jeepney system is far superior to the bus system in the US.  In the US, it's almost a necessity to have a car because the car is far cheaper to run and faster than the bus system is.  In the Philippines you get surprisingly similar transportation services to having a car while spending much less.

So there is the truth.  Some things America does are better, and worthy of emulation.  Some things done in the Philippines are better and they are worthy of emulation too.

I might add another thing.  The corruption in the Philippines makes personal relationships, and harmonious relationships between people, very, very important.  People in the US are far ruder and far less nice to others.  Certainly in the US I am almost never treated with the friendliness and courtesy I was in any Filipino store, however humble it might be.  I think the coruption makes the relationships better because they are more important than in the US.

If you throw away the corruption, you might lose some of the things that makes the Philippines a great place to live, too.

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 02:45:31 PM »
David, thank you for spreading hope for the Philippines.

Yes, we citizens of the Republic of the Philippines are warm and friendly. Of course, there are bad eggs in a basket.

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 03:27:29 PM »

I might add another thing.  The corruption in the Philippines makes personal relationships, and harmonious relationships between people, very, very important.  People in the US are far ruder and far less nice to others.  Certainly in the US I am almost never treated with the friendliness and courtesy I was in any Filipino store, however humble it might be. 

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Dennis,

I am based in Thailand and you can also expect the same friendliness from the Thai people.

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 10:53:16 PM »
There are bad eggs in America too.  You find them everywhere.

How does the level of corruption in the Philippines compare to the level in Thailand?

To answer the Philippines versus Thailand question, I mainly choose the Philippines because I like the fact that everyone speaks at least some English and so I'm not completely hopeless without learning the native tongue.  Also I have the impression that the women have the best balance of personality traits.

Of course I could be wrong, but I was enchanted by Filipinas during my trip :-).

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 01:09:08 AM »
Dave,

They're one of God's many miracles :)

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2007, 10:39:09 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2007, 10:53:27 AM »
hahaha, your husband must be lucky to have you as his miracle-wife, diba 'te? ;)

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2007, 10:58:42 AM »
Yes, dong. He's very lucky.

Especially when I put miracle whip all over him.

Hahahaha!

Joke! Joke! Joke!

Basin ma ban ta ni Mike

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2007, 11:00:49 AM »
hahahaha di ko mo bilib joke ra na! sigor tinuud jud na, 'te?! ;)
Miracle whipe da! kinky ra na kaayo uy! hahahahahah jpjp jp

Sure na sure ka te, joke ra to?

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2007, 12:34:56 PM »
Yes, dong. He's very lucky.

Especially when I put miracle whip all over him.

Hahahaha!










Joke! Joke! Joke!

Basin ma ban ta ni Mike

 ;D








ahaaaaaaaaaaa!


nasakpan ra gyud!!!!!


pwerte ma pod diay mo patid. mo sikad pa!!!

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2007, 12:38:53 PM »
hahahaha di ko mo bilib joke ra na! sigor tinuud jud na, 'te?! ;)
Miracle whipe da! kinky ra na kaayo uy! hahahahahah jpjp jp

Sure na sure ka te, joke ra to?

Hahaha!

Joke ra to uy

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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2007, 12:39:37 PM »





ahaaaaaaaaaaa!


nasakpan ra gyud!!!!!


pwerte ma pod diay mo patid. mo sikad pa!!!

hahahaha!

patid ug sikad jud?

Miss Belle,

liwat ra ko nimo

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2007, 12:47:48 PM »
aminin!!!!



(si louie nagpasabak mo dok dok pod)

sigi ko erase...

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2007, 12:49:41 PM »
hahaha kamo duha uy...you guys are too funny.

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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2007, 12:55:36 PM »
I might add another thing.  The corruption in the Philippines makes personal relationships, and harmonious relationships between people, very, very important.  People in the US are far ruder and far less nice to others.  Certainly in the US I am almost never treated with the friendliness and courtesy I was in any Filipino store, however humble it might be.  I think the coruption makes the relationships better because they are more important than in the US.

If you throw away the corruption, you might lose some of the things that makes the Philippines a great place to live, too.

D




Heya Dennis,

I like this line of thought ;D

Dennis, if ever you're in Bohol, I'd like to show some corruption to you, he he he.

Mike, has already corrupted me. He is such a bad, bad,  baaad boy. ;D






 

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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2007, 12:56:00 PM »
mao nay among sekreto ni C2 Dong...


mo sukol si C2!!!



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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2007, 12:57:53 PM »
hahahahahha!! wait  wait wait...

are you her 'reliable source' ?? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2007, 01:00:26 PM »
hahaha kamo duha uy...you guys are too funny.

Dong, when you are old enough, your Ate Belle will tell you the proper ways to do patid and sikad.

But right now, you have to be like Mr Hajji, untouched.

 ;D

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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2007, 01:01:20 PM »
hahahahahha!! wait  wait wait...

are you her 'reliable source' ?? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

ahahahaha!

dodong, you're like Sherlock Holmes ha

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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2007, 04:46:50 AM »
Yes, dong. He's very lucky.

Especially when I put miracle whip all over him.

Hahahaha!

Joke! Joke! Joke!

Basin ma ban ta ni Mike

 ;D



You mean....you are using  a "HORSEWHIP"?   Aguy!!!!!!!!!!! :o

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2007, 06:45:03 AM »

Heya Dennis,

I like this line of thought ;D

Dennis, if ever you're in Bohol, I'd like to show some corruption to you, he he he.

Mike, has already corrupted me. He is such a bad, bad,  baaad boy. ;D


Oh-oh!

I don't know whether to be flattered ... Or frightened!
So you are one of the members here who is on Bohol now?
I think that my main objective should be to understand things as they work today.  Then you can figure out the best way to change things, or if it's even possible.  It's very difficult to understand things without detailed information.  Remember, nobody is evil in their own story ...

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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2007, 07:23:14 AM »
To the above-stated subject, I could only say that as long as there is no serious changes of the political methods what our leaders practising (corruptions and some other illegal acts) the existing system remains hopeless. A tragic occurence is repeated as it is for most of the politicians are coming from a political Family dysnasties and they learned the same and it is already in blood.  We don't need an actors for this position to present their false shows but we badly needed is a man of words and in deeds.  Not only an intillectual who put policies on papers but he must have to apply it in a real actions.

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 08:44:21 AM »
it has bee said that the smartest are the most corrupt...

but guess what? we had a dumb one but his people are corrupt...

I dont know...

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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2007, 11:31:44 AM »
I could have sworn President Ramos was known as a decent man and good leader, but that you put in strict term limits to avoid corruption, so he couldn't be re-elected :-(.

As far as I can tell, he was a smart man.

I have heard some people say - and I'd like to hear your views pro or con - that Marcos was a better leader overall than many of his successors, because he knew how to manage the corruption system and make most of it work.

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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2007, 12:29:17 PM »
Dennis,

We have also pork in Philippine congress. It's the same system. My understanding is, pork is money budgetted by the administration to buy the opposition in congress. And in your analogy of our transport system superior to that of the US. is amazing. If it's true... Are the U.S. legislators sleeping on this? After the war we bought all those GI surplus jeeps to be used in our transport system and until now we are still using them without any sign of development. In your country they use buses and taxis for the comfort of the American commuters and you are telling us that your surplus jeeps we are using here in the Philippines today are a superior means of transportation. 







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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2007, 01:28:01 AM »
Oh-oh!

I don't know whether to be flattered ... Or frightened!
So you are one of the members here who is on Bohol now?
I think that my main objective should be to understand things as they work today.  Then you can figure out the best way to change things, or if it's even possible.  It's very difficult to understand things without detailed information.  Remember, nobody is evil in their own story ...

D





 



I don't know if I have the capacity to frighten any person, Dennis ;D
I just liked the idea -- taking off from your discourse that a certain way of "corruption" (which I would like to think is like cholesterol that also has the "good kind') might actually foster friendship.

"Nobody is evil in their own story."  I agree.

In fact, under the present developments not just in the Philippines but anywhere else in the world, we can't really say everything is black and white -- a bad thing is bad and a good thing is good. Now it seems that there's something bad in the good thing, and a bad thing does have some good results.

Now it's more of shades of gray.

And this is where we start to get disoriented from our moral compass.

 

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Re: Why our political system is hopeless?
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2007, 02:08:56 AM »
Mr Admin,

It's not that these people are evil, it's just that they know they can get away with it. We have so many laws, but all these are effective only on paper. Wala man gihapon epek.

In other countries, politicians cannot do these things nga harap harapan because they know they can't get away with it.

Most crimes go unpunished in our country, unfortunately. And crimes committed by politicians, more so.

So what's to stop them from being corrupt? Nothing...

Being a politician in our country is being immune from punishment. Our politicians fear nothing and no one.

So, yes, our political system is hopeless.

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Our law in the Philippines has no teeth!

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