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Unhealthy system driving away nurses and doctors?
« on: March 16, 2010, 06:41:14 PM »
EDITORIAL - Blame the system, not those who leave
(The Freeman) Updated March 16, 2010 12:00 AM


Roughly 200 hospitals around the country, many of them in the provinces and rural areas, have been reported to have closed down. And the reason given was that there were no more doctors or nurses to serve in them.

While that may be true, it is quite unfair to stop just there and not put things into context. To do so is to cast doctors and nurses in a bad light, making them appear as if all they want in life is go abroad and earn good money there.

First of all, let us not lose sight of the bottomline. And the bottomline is that doctors and nurses do not just save lives. They have to live too. And with the kind of salaries they are being given, especially in these hospitals, they will be dying first before their patients.

If it has not sunk in to those concerned, medicine and nursing have become among the most expensive college courses to take. Nursing in particular has become especially prohibitive, and for no other reason than that schools are cashing in on the demand.

The nursing boom of a few years ago, which in fact has grown bust by now, drove many young people to take up the course. But instead of the time-tested laws of supply and demand prevailing, something unique has happened in the Philippines.

Yet, for all the expense invested in taking up a nursing course, nurses are paid peanuts if they work here. Not only is it an affront to the dignity of a profession requiring great skills, it is also damning to perdition to be paid less than half of what a jeepney driver makes.

Many jeepney drivers never went to school. Most even secured licenses by greasing some palms so they do not have to take driving tests. Yet on a good day they make at least P500. Many nurses working in government hospitals are lucky if they earn half of that.

And yet we make it sound as if it is their fault that hospitals are closing because they prefer to work abroad. Perhaps the question to ask is -- has anybody made any effort to make it even just morally worthwhile to work here?

First you milk the nurses in school, then you starve them when they work. And you blame them for saying enough is enough? Instead of blaming those who leave, they should be declared heroes for finally standing up and fighting the rotten system.


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Re: Unhealthy system driving away nurses and doctors?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2010, 06:55:15 PM »
Ben, this is a very sad fact in our country.

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 06:06:40 AM »
tinood gyud, maningkamot  ang ginikanan paeskuyla  ug kon anha lang
  trabaho dili gyud kabawi sa gasto

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2010, 10:48:52 AM »
Not only that after ning mga nursing makagraduate ug makapasar sa license exam inay ang hospital mobayad nila kay magwork sila ,sila na nuon mobayad sa hospital aron makatrabaho sila para naa lang pang experience. Daghan ko kaila nga inay munamuna aron makahuman unya inay nakapasar na mosamot man nuon ang pag antus kay magbayad pa sila per oras sa hospital nga ilang gi trabahuan.

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Re: Unhealthy system driving away nurses and doctors?
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2010, 10:50:30 AM »
Not only that after ning mga nursing makagraduate ug makapasar sa license exam inay ang hospital mobayad nila kay magwork sila ,sila na nuon mobayad sa hospital aron makatrabaho sila para naa lang pang experience. Daghan ko kaila nga inay munamuna aron makahuman unya inay nakapasar na mosamot man nuon ang pag antus kay magbayad pa sila per oras sa hospital nga ilang gi trabahuan.


OMG! tinuod na Kel? na unsa naman tawon sa atoa oi!

mao unta nay atong ipatapot sa mga agtang anang sigi tagawtaw sa POLITICS nga thread!!!



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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 10:58:44 AM »
Oh Belle tinuod jud ni. Aw abi nako kabalo na ta tanan about aning sila magbayad sa hospital nga ila gitrabahuan nga unta ang hospital magbayad nila pero nabali jud kay lagi aron naa sila record nga naa silay experience. Among mga silingan antus lang jud tawon ug bayad aron lang makatrabaho pang experience kono. The best hospital imo trabahuan the more expensive sad.
10 years ago dili pa ingon ani to bale mo volunteer ra ka sa una nga walay bayad sa hospital aron pang experience pero karon kuyaw na ning mga hospital kay gawas nga libre ang serbisyo sa mga new graduates nila nagpabayad pa jud sila per oras.Nalooy bitaw ko sa akong amiga nga bag ong na nurse.

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2010, 11:03:48 AM »
ha? wala ko kabawo ani, unsaon na man lang nga abi baya nako ug 
    kon pang experience lang sa government hospital kono kay allowance ray hatag
    sa new nurse, kagrabe na god kon ang  trabahante pa maoy mobayad sa ospital
    kabaliktad   :o

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2010, 11:11:13 AM »
huy naa tay mabuhat anih? can we do something to these crap? OMG! kaulion na noon ko kaajo!

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2010, 03:23:32 PM »
I'm one of those, nga nagsigi tagawtaw sa political thread...something should be done here...siguro a legislative action can be done...a law that would require nurses to work in a public hospital for at least a year before going abroad...there is already a bill that would make doctors work one (1) year locally before they could go abroad...I wonder if it had actually become a law.
Kun mahimo ni siguro angay nato sulatan ang ato mga congressmen, ug senador nga magpanday ug balaod aron mahimo kini.

Ang mga government hospitals gud daghan na ug volunteers, nga karon girequire na nila ang recommendation sa Governor (politics na pod) usa makasulod as volunteer. Sa mga private hospitals dinhi sa Bohol..wala man magpabayad, kun licensed na ka, dasghan na lang jud kaayo mga licensed nurse nga gusto magvolunteer...if ever naa, tua na sa head nurse ( i think) or whoever makes the assignments. Naa ko nahibal-an, ang volunteers gi-rotate so that ang usa ka volunteer kaduha ra tawn sa usa ka semana maka-duty...kini tungod kay daghan kaayo ang gusto magvolunteer...Dinhi na sa Bohol ha...ambot sa uban...kay dire sa atoa dili ni problema.

DI BA LAIN?

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2010, 02:28:53 AM »
Gintonic sa Bohol ni nga problema akong gihisgutan diri. Taga amoa ang mga nurses nga nagbayad intawon sa hospital aron lang naay pang experience. Akong duda ani inside job ni sa mga dako dako siguro kay abi nako nakabalo na ta tanan bahin ani. Ako mismo na shock pag estorya nako sa akong amiga. Naa sad ko kaila diri nga naa sa ohio bale naggasto siya sa iya pag umangkon nga kalooy sa Ginoo na nakapasar pud ug nursing unya nagsulti to sila nga mahal daw ang bayad para magvolunteer sa dagkong hospital sa atua mao tua nila sa small community hospital gipa volunteer kay at least daw di kaayo dako ang pangayo. Sa akong pagkabalo kining akong gihisgutan nga mga nurses naa ni sila nagbayad aron makavolunteer sa public nga hospital.
Abi gyud nako kabalo na mo ani nga problema ug abi sad nako ug normal na ni sa atua so dili pa diay.

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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2010, 02:45:13 AM »
Gintonic sa Bohol ni nga problema akong gihisgutan diri. Taga amoa ang mga nurses nga nagbayad intawon sa hospital aron lang naay pang experience. Akong duda ani inside job ni sa mga dako dako siguro kay abi nako nakabalo na ta tanan bahin ani. Ako mismo na shock pag estorya nako sa akong amiga. Naa sad ko kaila diri nga naa sa ohio bale naggasto siya sa iya pag umangkon nga kalooy sa Ginoo na nakapasar pud ug nursing unya nagsulti to sila nga mahal daw ang bayad para magvolunteer sa dagkong hospital sa atua mao tua nila sa small community hospital gipa volunteer kay at least daw di kaayo dako ang pangayo. Sa akong pagkabalo kining akong gihisgutan nga mga nurses naa ni sila nagbayad aron makavolunteer sa public nga hospital.
Abi gyud nako kabalo na mo ani nga problema ug abi sad nako ug normal na ni sa atua so dili pa diay.


Kel wake up call jud ni sha dear...human sa election maghimo tag thread ani para madunggan sa kapupod-an.

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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2010, 02:58:28 AM »
Gintonic sa Bohol ni nga problema akong gihisgutan diri. Taga amoa ang mga nurses nga nagbayad intawon sa hospital aron lang naay pang experience. Akong duda ani inside job ni sa mga dako dako siguro kay abi nako nakabalo na ta tanan bahin ani. Ako mismo na shock pag estorya nako sa akong amiga. Naa sad ko kaila diri nga naa sa ohio bale naggasto siya sa iya pag umangkon nga kalooy sa Ginoo na nakapasar pud ug nursing unya nagsulti to sila nga mahal daw ang bayad para magvolunteer sa dagkong hospital sa atua mao tua nila sa small community hospital gipa volunteer kay at least daw di kaayo dako ang pangayo. Sa akong pagkabalo kining akong gihisgutan nga mga nurses naa ni sila nagbayad aron makavolunteer sa public nga hospital.
Abi gyud nako kabalo na mo ani nga problema ug abi sad nako ug normal na ni sa atua so dili pa diay.

Like what Gintonic said, dili man magbayad ang volunteers unless gipangwarta sila sa head nurse or whoever is assigned sa personnel but not on the hospital.

Also, lay mobayad man sad ang mga nurse for experience, giabusohan sad.  Plus our government is doing nothing for the nursing regulations, may it be in curriculum or on PRC side.  Just recently, naay 35k plus nga nakapasar sa nursing board.  And to think, wa nanaghan ang hospital sa atoa.

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2010, 03:04:54 AM »
Need to organize, get as much signatures from students, parents, relatives, etc  any
  qualified voters and send it to the congressmen and senators and let them know 
  how disgusted this present system and  a change is badly needed.

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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2010, 03:13:52 AM »
Need to organize, get as much signatures from students, parents, relatives, etc  any
  qualified voters and send it to the congressmen and senators and let them know 
  how disgusted this present system and  a change is badly needed.

@ate states, daghan na nahimo ingana.  But our government is not listening, labi na election period.  And the problem sa atoa is One year before election and one year before election is election period and would leave one year, that if magtrabaho jud sila, as their work time.  Maong way mahimo nga sakto nga policies.

If only our government would make it happen nga they would not just train Filipinos to be workers fro another country but also to be entrepeneurs and more, dili unta magtipun-og ang mga kurso nga halinun "daw" sa uban nasud.

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2010, 03:22:21 AM »
Like what Gintonic said, dili man magbayad ang volunteers unless gipangwarta sila sa head nurse or whoever is assigned sa personnel but not on the hospital.

Also, lay mobayad man sad ang mga nurse for experience, giabusohan sad.  Plus our government is doing nothing for the nursing regulations, may it be in curriculum or on PRC side.  Just recently, naay 35k plus nga nakapasar sa nursing board.  And to think, wa nanaghan ang hospital sa atoa.


yeah because our government is solely concentrating the infrastructures that until now never could be seen. Dako man sila ug kickback gud sa mga infras projects ( i swear ) diha sila maka sapi.



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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2010, 03:40:30 AM »

Kel wake up call jud ni sha dear...human sa election maghimo tag thread ani para madunggan sa kapupod-an.

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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2010, 10:55:15 AM »
Like what Gintonic said, dili man magbayad ang volunteers unless gipangwarta sila sa head nurse or whoever is assigned sa personnel but not on the hospital.

Also, lay mobayad man sad ang mga nurse for experience, giabusohan sad.  Plus our government is doing nothing for the nursing regulations, may it be in curriculum or on PRC side.  Just recently, naay 35k plus nga nakapasar sa nursing board.  And to think, wa nanaghan ang hospital sa atoa.
Yes sakto ka nga dala napud ning abuso sa uban kay kabalo man sila nagkinahanglan sila ug record nga naay experience. Tungod pud ni sa kadaghan na jud nuong nurses sa atua. Nakakita ko sa news the other day nga naa ba to 3 million new graduates this year sa Pinas lain laing kurso pinakadaghan nurses unya lain pa tong jobless nga hapit pud 3 million. Mag inilugay jud ni sila ug trabaho. Ug mao ni nga ang uban mobayad nalang jud ug pugos aron makavolunteer for the sake nga makagawas dayon aron makatrabaho.
So far ang among silingan usa nga nagbayad sa hospital iya gi volunteeran nakagawas na bag o pa tua sa england.

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2010, 10:59:02 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2010, 11:42:15 AM »
oooppS i GOT WORD...kana diay nangbayad...mga nagdali kay giprocess na ang ila mga papers for abroad...nya kay wala pa man experience (nagtinapol), mag-volunteer unya...i-antedate ang ila mga experience...repeat IPA-ANTEDATE ANG CERTIFICATION TO SHOW NGA SAKTO UG EXPERIENCE

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