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Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« on: December 05, 2009, 06:34:21 AM »
I HOPE MY “CABALENS” (PRO-vincemates) in Pampanga will reject Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. I fear a nationwide backlash against us should GMA succeed in taking back the country’s No. 1 post through Charter change.

It might be a case of history repeating itself. Not so long ago, Kapampangans were branded as traitors because of the role played by the inhabitants of one town (Macabebe) in the capture of Gen. Emilio Aguinaldo. After that event, all the Kapampangans were branded as traitors. It was quite unfair considering that many Kapampangans were at the forefront of the Philippine Revolution (e.g., Generals Jose Alejandrino, Francisco Makabulos, Serviliano Aquino, Mamerto Natividad, Maximino Hizon and Mariano Llanera). Many of them died for the cause.

Should one district in Pampanga bring back GMA to the No. 1 post (as prime minister), the whole of Pampanga might be again blamed for the “sin” committed by one district. And the tag on us as traitors might be resurrected.

—GEORGE M. HIZON, PDI, Letter to the Editor

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2009, 10:39:17 PM »
I would like to know how it came that Kapampangans are better known as may dugong aso.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2009, 02:23:46 AM »
di lang kay traydor, hambugero jud! mao sad nay trademark nila.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2009, 04:47:52 AM »
I don't like these stereotypes of our fellow Filipinos.

I hate reading disgusting regionalistic remarks like this.

It breeds anger, discontent, and ignorance and generalization of an entire people.

Either we be Boholano, Cebuano, Illongo, Illocano, Luceno, Pampangan, Moro, Tausug, Leyteno, Samareno, Waray, Negroseno etc,..we are all FILIPINOS.

Lets end it at that.
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For once, lets focus on unity not disunity.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2009, 05:00:50 AM »
Lorenzo my dear you are out of this world, your environment is America. Never heared of cliche´s? Of course it is not polite and proper. But had you grown up here in Pinas as a true-blooded Bol-anon/Pinoy and hears some prejudices like these, you will be annoyed, too.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2009, 12:24:04 PM »
bisan pa maghimo ug survey, mogawas jud na traitor and hambugero ang mga capampangan. its a fact not an opinion that has authenticated many centuries ago!

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2009, 02:10:02 PM »
To Manay,

I was born and raised in Bohol, in the town of Valencia. And I consider myself a 'full blooded Pinoy'. I am Bolanon. :)

Secondly, I don't go by stereotypes nor do I let chismiss or stereotypes rule the day. I judge a person by their actions, and their demeanor and give them a chance to prove themselves and show their true colors. I do not let stereotypes and unfair generalizations dictate my decision and my judgement. Nor should that be the case for anyone.

As Americans, being a rich multicultural nation, its best to appreciate people and their cultures--any unfair generalizations should be evaded, as it is mark of ignorance on one's part.

Regionalism is a trademark of ignorance and applying negative connotation for one region and generalizing  the entire populace of that entire region is scape-goating the entire people. Which is, in my honest opinion, infantile and narcisstic.

Actions dictate basis of judgment. As actions speak louder than words.

All the unkind words used aformentioned to describe some Pampangans can also be used for Bolanons, Cebuanos etc. Because in the end, we all are human, with traits that are subject to criticism. When one generalizes and precludes another region ethnic group for an action based on the past or based on the actions of one specific district in that region--and apply that judgment to the entire region as a whole--is quite unfair.

It is then, cliche because that is a character of an ignorant individual.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2009, 02:14:36 PM »
bisan pa maghimo ug survey, mogawas jud na traitor and hambugero ang mga capampangan. its a fact not an opinion that has authenticated many centuries ago!

The word hambugero means : one who shows off, likes to compare himself higher to others.
This is a characteristic trait for anyone, there is no limitation or limiting factor that soley precludes it for Pampangans. Your argument is rather weak.

I have friends that are Pampangans, Illongo, Illocano, Tausug and Bisayan.
They are all equally amiable, friendly, and intelligent.

My one friend who sings with me in Church, he is also a 2nd year medical student, is Pampangero, and is one of the nicest guys ive met in my life. Very kind, giving, and altruistic--all in all.

Again, your argument is weak.
Moot, I must say.


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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 10:27:07 PM »
The word hambugero means : one who shows off, likes to compare himself higher to others.
This is a characteristic trait for anyone, there is no limitation or limiting factor that soley precludes it for Pampangans. Your argument is rather weak.

I have friends that are Pampangans, Illongo, Illocano, Tausug and Bisayan.
They are all equally amiable, friendly, and intelligent.

My one friend who sings with me in Church, he is also a 2nd year medical student, is Pampangero, and is one of the nicest guys ive met in my life. Very kind, giving, and altruistic--all in all.

Again, your argument is weak.
Moot, I must say.


Cheers.

how many capampangans have you met in your entire life?

i have met thousands of them and all i can say is that they are mostly traitors and hambog. i used to live and work in pampanga and tarlac before.

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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2009, 10:50:27 PM »
Slackware, I work in the hospital and see many Filipinos on a daily basis. All professionals. There is no tag that a Filipino wears that says "Pampangan" or "Cebuano".

There are hambugero Cebanos, Leytenos, Bolanons, Tausugs, Illongos as well as Pampangans.

Your argument is weak and ignorant as it is propagating rude and discriminating generalizations of people.
Think before you write and post. People read it.

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2009, 11:08:54 PM »
If one has proper historical analysis, and exercises fair judgement, one will realize that the Pampangans have a rich history because members of the Pampangan locality worked and served in the Guardia Civil, maintaining law and order during the day of Hispanica.

In the late 18th century when Britain invaded Manila and ruled the Philippines for 2 years, the Spaniards moved to the provinces to mount and strategize an offensive against the British Occupationary force. Most of the Spanish Offensive was composed of Spaniards as well as men of Pampanga and men in the Visayas (The Visayas has always been the main contributing region to provide military men in the Guardia Civil).

As a unison and as a group the Filipino forces and the Spaniards were able to defeat the British and expel them from Manila, thereby preserving the political territory of the Philippines from being swallowed into the British Empire.
This example of Filipino Brotherhood in arms would later be a source of inspiration by the papers of Marcelo Del Pilar as well as Jose Rizal in exemplifying and forwarding the cause of revolutionary discourse and self governance. The Philippines and the Filipino are a rich tapestry of customs, history, cultures, dialects, all interwoven through the thousands of years, the colonial milkings. Instead of pointing out the flaws and pointing fingers at certain regions of the Philippines---the proper action is to adress the situation as a whole. Doing so..is an act of being a "Crab" and a total manifestation of being ignorant. One should change that demeanor.


Secondly, there are many instances of 'Traitors' in different regions of the Philippines.
Let me give you an example; it could be even considered that Rajah Humabon was a traitor to Filipino Indigenous independence for his giving into Magellan and accepting friendship with the Colonial Imperialist. One could even declare that Rajah Sikatuna was a traitor for having a blood compact with Legazpi, instead of killing Legazpi, Sikatuna shared his blood with him and accepted strategic cooperation and DIRECTLY led to the eventual conquest and colonization of the entire archipelago by the Spaniards for another 400 years.

What about the Filipino Bolanon macabee that worked for the Americans in the Filipino-American War that led to the American trapping of a Bolanon-planned ambush on an American patrol group? This lead to deaths of many Bol-anon Revolutionistas. So that lone Bolanon macabee who worked for the Americans to sell out his people was an example of a 'TRAIDOR'. But does the action of that lone Bolanon macabee traitor speak for all Bol-anons? Does that warrant unfair bias and judgement that Bol-anons are sell outs and would backstab their own? Of course not! The actions of the few do not represent the majority. And  he was not a Pampangan was he? No, no way. So analyze. Analyze.

So you see, these examples of hambugero, traidor etc, are humanistic traits that gets even the best of us.
There are no regional limitations or predisposition of which. All humans are capable of exuding that characteristic if they let themselves do so without any regard to other's feelings.

To even generalize and dictate that Pampangans are all like that is in my honest opinion, very ignorant of that individual. We are all, in the end, Filipinos.


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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2009, 02:50:08 AM »
Slackware, I work in the hospital and see many Filipinos on a daily basis. All professionals. There is no tag that a Filipino wears that says "Pampangan" or "Cebuano".

There are hambugero Cebanos, Leytenos, Bolanons, Tausugs, Illongos as well as Pampangans.

Your argument is weak and ignorant as it is propagating rude and discriminating generalizations of people.
Think before you write and post. People read it.

you're the one who's ignorant when it comes to filipino culture! you assumed kabalo na ka tanan! hahahahaha! you're still "mada mada dane". what you have learned is from the book only. what i've learned is thru experience. im not posting these damned things from my own opinion. there's no need to debate regarding this topic because it has already been a proven fact many many years before your great great grandfathers were born.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2009, 04:35:37 AM »
we are reacting to this thread and if you feel Ondoy Bran that something is wrong than address it to the author or simply close this one, you are the admin and you have done it before during the heydays of Ayessa. I miss this highly intellectual person.
You are talking of Pinoys in your sorroundings, and the history you are telling are all just as told history. Noong alaw, sad to say you did not have the chance to grew up in the society where we grew-up. Luckily you are highly priviledged and protected in the United States of America. Katilaw kana ug oneday one eat adto sa Manila kay aron maningpalad? Anha ka maka-ila sa mga lain-lain nga nilalang. That is fighting for survival. I know what I´m talking about. Prejudices are also a lot here in Germany. This is a normal social behaviour.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 11:31:24 AM »
we can not change the fact that "Kapampangans Are Traitors" just because one believes that they aren't and yet, thousands believe they are worse than a backstabber.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2009, 11:47:32 AM »
and hambugero as well......i have a good friend from pampanga and i call him Ben and he doesnt mind....bentilador in short....pagka fresko kaayu niya kung mgadala ug istorya....ahihihihihihi ;D

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2009, 10:35:59 PM »
kita mga bisaya kun naa tay kauban sa grupo na dili bisaya kay maningkamot man jud tag tinagalog or iningles aron maka jam tong mga dili bisaya. pero kung mas daghan gani ang kapampangan sa grupo, ay sus puro makeni gyud na sinultihan nila unya libakon pa ka sa atubangan nimo abi kay di man ka makasabot ug sinultihang maykeni. Dili jud ka kumpyansahan ang mga maykeni!

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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2009, 11:46:15 PM »
you're the one who's ignorant when it comes to filipino culture! you assumed kabalo na ka tanan! hahahahaha! you're still "mada mada dane". what you have learned is from the book only. what i've learned is thru experience. im not posting these damned things from my own opinion. there's no need to debate regarding this topic because it has already been a proven fact many many years before your great great grandfathers were born.

No one is assuming anything. We need to provide a clearer basis and open our minds and break the false stereotypes.

Negativities is never a good thing.

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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2009, 11:50:13 PM »
we are reacting to this thread and if you feel Ondoy Bran that something is wrong than address it to the author or simply close this one, you are the admin and you have done it before during the heydays of Ayessa. I miss this highly intellectual person.
You are talking of Pinoys in your sorroundings, and the history you are telling are all just as told history. Noong alaw, sad to say you did not have the chance to grew up in the society where we grew-up. Luckily you are highly priviledged and protected in the United States of America. Katilaw kana ug oneday one eat adto sa Manila kay aron maningpalad? Anha ka maka-ila sa mga lain-lain nga nilalang. That is fighting for survival. I know what I´m talking about. Prejudices are also a lot here in Germany. This is a normal social behaviour.

Manay, we are discussing the falsities of the ignorance of propagating stereotypes and my adamant opposition of it.
Prejudice is wrong, that is why we have social watch groups to fight against prejudice.

It was prejudice that prevented blacks and whites from intermingling in schools here in the United States prior to the 1960'S Social Equality Acts. It is prejudice that has propagated false stereotypes of races and ethnic groups.

And it is something that I and many socially-active Americans are against to the bitter end.

I trust that you would have the same open mindedness concerning your own fellow Filipinos.
Including the Pampangan people.

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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2009, 01:15:37 AM »
No one is assuming anything. We need to provide a clearer basis and open our minds and break the false stereotypes.

Negativities is never a good thing.

God Bless!

Its not about stereotyping! Its reality! Im not saying that all of them, but most of them have those attitudes. You based your judgment from a dozen or less Kapampangans that you met in the states and your saying the you have a clearer basis than me? Hahahaha! Funny! Well, and i based my judgment from those thousands of kapampangans that I've known for quite some time and I already have a crystal clear definition of them.
 
You're the only one here who isnt aware of those kapampangan attitudes so I guess its about time for you to wake up! Boy Gising! There's only one truth and no matter how you hide it, the truth shall always prevail!

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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2009, 01:21:26 AM »
I would like to know how it came that Kapampangans are better known as may dugong aso.

Kusog man mokaon ug iro ang mga kapampangan. Mao siguro na hinungdan.

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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2009, 01:26:55 AM »
Its not about stereotyping! Its reality! Im not saying that all of them, but most of them have those attitudes. You based your judgment from a dozen or less Kapampangans that you met in the states and your saying the you have a clearer basis than me? Hahahaha! Funny! Well, and i based my judgment from those thousands of kapampangans that I've known for quite some time and I already have a crystal clear definition of them.
 
You're the only one here who isnt aware of those kapampangan attitudes so I guess its about time for you to wake up! Boy Gising! There's only one truth and no matter how you hide it, the truth shall always prevail!

It is all hearsay, who knows you even went to live in Pampanga or talked to Pampangans. You cannot provide proof for that, for all we know you could be lying. All heresay.

Your opinion is your own. As anybody's.

The clear distinction form opinion and harassment is the propagation of lies and false stereotypes.

Your yourself said, "Not all Pampangans are like that..." You yourself acquiesced to the fact that the stereotype is false. Yet you claim the stereotype as truth? You make no sense, as your original argument.

Open mindedness and respect is key to truth.
Let those factors prevail as well as truth!


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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2009, 03:40:46 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2009, 03:50:54 AM »
It is all hearsay, who knows you even went to live in Pampanga or talked to Pampangans. You cannot provide proof for that, for all we know you could be lying. All heresay.

Your opinion is your own. As anybody's.

The clear distinction form opinion and harassment is the propagation of lies and false stereotypes.

Your yourself said, "Not all Pampangans are like that..." You yourself acquiesced to the fact that the stereotype is false. Yet you claim the stereotype as truth? You make no sense, as your original argument.

Open mindedness and respect is key to truth.
Let those factors prevail as well as truth!


God Bless all of us.
All Filipinos and Non-Filipinos.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2009, 06:24:58 AM »
I don't like these stereotypes of our fellow Filipinos.

I hate reading disgusting regionalistic remarks like this.

It breeds anger, discontent, and ignorance and generalization of an entire people.

Either we be Boholano, Cebuano, Illongo, Illocano, Luceno, Pampangan, Moro, Tausug, Leyteno, Samareno, Waray, Negroseno etc,..we are all FILIPINOS.

Lets end it at that.
Thanks.

For once, lets focus on unity not disunity.


I agree with you Lor. Ma worsen man ang problema basta mag ing ani ang mga katawhan. When ONE  say Kapampangans are traitor, dili baya sila tanan. I dont like it too...no personal offense ha? Dili tanan.

We, the Filipinos should unite.

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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2009, 07:00:17 AM »
Stereotypes in general are wrong.




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Re: Kapampangans Are Traitors?
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2009, 07:03:43 AM »

I agree with you Lor. Ma worsen man ang problema basta mag ing ani ang mga katawhan. When ONE  say Kapampangans are traitor, dili baya sila tanan. I dont like it too...no personal offense ha? Dili tanan.

We, the Filipinos should unite.

Stereotyping individuals and a group of people is very wrong, bitaw. It does nothing but breed hatred, ignorance and ineptitude. I agree with you, we as Filipinos should unite and not pick on other people. Treat others as one would like to be treated.

Self Respect and Respect is key.

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