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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 09:26:05 PM »
oh no. the church isn't responsible.
ya know, morally base man pud ila.,

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 09:36:21 PM »
i agree with you. but some blames the church. because as a christian country, ang filipinos mutu-o jud na sa church teachings,..natural way of birth control lang dapat.. unsaon nalang?

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 09:56:27 PM »
pathetic. gi blame pa jud church.
self-control that is.


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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 10:02:36 PM »
unya ang uban d bya na makaya...

are you in favor of sex education?

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 10:12:25 PM »
eh di poor them. hehe:)

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daghan kac angle ibase ana.
like at an early age, nana sex education,
i think not pa na pwede, its alarming pa tale
as to the parents and the church wont favor it too.
but if like your age na ate kiams, pwede nana sex education.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 10:19:02 PM »
it's too late for sex education sa amo age uy.. dapat sa high school.. but i think our custom wont allow it

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 02:41:03 AM »
In the first stage....our strong religious beliefs could be one among the reasons. The Church and his representatives are just doing their job.

We strickly beleive that Bible citation: GOD SAID: "GO TO  the WORLD AND MULTIPLY", I guess, our countrymen misinterpret that phrase...we must have to "EXPLORE TO THE WHOLE WORLD, ENJOY BUT DON'T ALWAYS MULTIPLY".  Every individual is self responsible of what is good for his life. For...LIFE IS WHAT WE MAKE IT!

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2008, 02:50:46 AM »
I should say YES!

And to you Mocha dear, bantay bitaw ug maka control ba ka ug naa na kay Jukims ha?

Ajaw jud gamit ug bisan unsa, (which was the teaching used to be)

and we'll see ug di ba mag pusot2x imong mga kabaaang barangay...


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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 01:58:40 AM »
dili pa man tingali over populated i think masulod tanan taw sa pinas
bisan ibutang tanan sa mindanao region

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 02:11:48 AM »
wahahahha!

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2008, 02:39:12 AM »
The Roman Catholic Church is not  responsible for the vices seen in the Philippines. On the contrary, it may have some contributorial role in implicating demographic as well as cultural mandates in society, that is impeccably undebatable.

The Catholic Church in the Philippines, under the auspices of the Royal Spanish Crown, and the hand of the episcopacy in the Archbishipric of Madrid during the 16th century was responsible for civilizing the Philippines, in the western definition of civility. The Church was responsible for the christianizing and baptizing of the the pagan natives, they were responsible in the creation of the barangay, the barrio, the cabecera, the poblacion, the municipalidad, the provincia, the estatuatoria, the ecomiendas. Urbanism and human social contract in such a heightened stage can be traced to the Spanish government and by the hand of the Church.

It was the Church who aided in the development of cities, and large communities so that:
1. The Visaya region and parts of Mindanao would develop a sustainable economy
2. Develop a sense of communal defense against debilitating Moro raids, which would raid and plunder hundreds of villages, and enslaving thousands (a practice that was practiced before Spanish arrival)
3. Social evolution; mass communication etc.

One needs to understand that the Church was responsible for the development of the Philippines in the local level, even to the provincial and national level. Church teachings were spread through conversions and through masses by Filipino clergymen (the majority of priests and monks in the Philippines were Filipino converts, there were only a handful of Spaniard priests due to shear distance of Las Filipinas from the Spanish Empire). Catholic teachings in the Philippines is localized form of Roman Catholicism, a "Philippinized" version, you could say. And thus Christian teachings are pronounced and proliferated to this day, since the founding of the colony in the mid 16th century to the present.

One cannot blame the Church for the overpopulation of the country, on the contrary they cooperated with the Spanish regime in developing the country from sporadic island villages to developing them into a unified, politically operational, religiously unified country. Organized into 12 major regional provinces and then subdivided into gobernadorcillistas ruled and governed by a gobernadorcillo. The Church, with parity with the Crown saw to stabilized growth of the islands: when the Philippines was under the Spanish regime , the population skyrocketed from 500,000 in the 16th century to about 8,000,000 in the 19th century. However the increase of population was due to the development of large encomienda estates, port trade, the adoption of traditional farming, the development of provinces, town governments and lower tiered organized units. Under the regime, the colony had inter-regional and inter-imperial trade with the colonies in South and Central America as well as with Spain itself. This burst of economic trade led to the population growth, as a response to the demographic and infrastructural developments implemented by the Spaniards. In actuality, what they did,  racial practices aside, was positive for the good for the Philippines. It 'made' the Philippines. We cannot deny that, it provided the basis for unity. So successful was it that it led to a Filipino consciousness and revolutionary yearning.

The problems with overpopulation is due to the unchecked health planning, pre-marital sex, unprotected sex, etc. The Church functions as a moral code, a cultural code, and most of all, a beacon that preaches the Christian Truth. The original Truth. The church, in its purest sense, transcends the political, the economic, and the earthly. It is the link between Heaven to Mankind. Heaven to the Philippines, in this sense.

Overpopulation can be blamed on lack of planning, on the individual's part. Government's inability or lack of ability in providing enough jobs and economic incentives. One needs to understand the basis of economics; overpopulation is an effect of development, and being a third world. As a country moves forward and becomes developed, population will eventually decrease.

Take for example:

1. The United States during the Industrial Revolution in the late 19th century; the population boomed, families were having an average 5-7 children, the country, overall was poor. After the industrial revolution as the country stabilized, family sizes also reduced, averaging to about 3-4 children, and now to the present, the average has reduced again to about 2-3 children.

2. Japan. During the Meiji Restorational period in Japan after the fall of the Tokugawa Shogunate, the country implemented a 'growth' program, family sizes were also heightened as a result. As Japan was a low tiered society and as it modernized, the family sizes were extremely high, as it modernized the family sizes decreased. And now to the present, the average children per family is rather low, ranging from 1-2.

3. Western Europe in general. Population and family growth fluctuated in according to development levels.

So therefore we should not be so pessimistic when concerning the Philippine population. It is a natural evolutionary fact. As our country moves toward a higher tiered society, population will eventually decrease. Within about 5-6 decades, the country should level out.




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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2008, 04:06:38 AM »
i dont think they are responsible,if there is to be blame,is those people who are thinking of sexual happiness undermining the future of their kids,is the philippines really over populated? or just in manila where definetly show the evidence of over crowding.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2008, 05:35:45 AM »
NO, the church is not responsible for the over population in the Philippines. People have minds of their own.  They don't even listen to the church teachings anymore otherwise there's no population explosion. 

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2008, 07:30:28 AM »
it's too late for sex education sa amo age uy.. dapat sa high school.. but i think our custom wont allow it

Japan teaches kids when they're in grade 4 pa.
Philippines problem is over population,in here under population.


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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2008, 07:31:18 AM »
I don't like the way they blame the church.For those responsible parents,they know what to do.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2008, 07:32:04 AM »
yah underpopulation kasi dili uso ang maid sa japan..kaya d sila ganahan manganak ky kapoy bantay...hahaha..

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2008, 07:33:13 AM »
mao jud...sige lang sila dulog dulog kung may makaon..mao na resulta,daghan na hinoon pakan-unon..walay lain ma blaim jud kundi mg tawo ra sad..dili ky simbahan..hehhehe

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2008, 07:36:11 AM »
yah underpopulation kasi dili uso ang maid sa japan..kaya d sila ganahan manganak ky kapoy bantay...hahaha..

You're right musiclover.And besides,trabaho ang priority nila.When kids goes to school,walay tawo na ang mga balay.Tua na sa work jod.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2008, 12:11:50 PM »
Well said, ladies.

I am against this concept of 'blame this, blame that, blame, blame."

People should take up their own responsibilities and recognize their own faults instead of putting the blame on others.







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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2008, 01:22:43 PM »
mao na ron kay di kapugong.way condom gipanghatag sa pilipinas labi natong mga way work.ug usa wa poy lami ug magwithdrawal

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2008, 10:37:05 PM »
i don't blame the church neither.. self discipline rajud.. or instinct nalang gud., practicality pud..

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2008, 10:42:02 PM »
mao nah dili ta moblame sa ubang tawo o sa usa ka organization, mao man jud ning tawo mangita ug kapasanginlan sa ilang binuhatan. naa ra jud na nato kun gusto tag daghan anak o dyotay ra. peru bibo man pod daghan anak uy labi na ug mangdagko na unya magreunion lipay kaayo

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2008, 11:00:49 PM »
Well, discipline to one's self will paly a big role in reducing population growth in the
country, consulting to local health centers maybe good as well, family planting ba ( reverse )

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2008, 07:56:46 AM »
I should say YES!

And to you Mocha dear, bantay bitaw ug maka control ba ka ug naa na kay Jukims ha?

Ajaw jud gamit ug bisan unsa, (which was the teaching used to be)

and we'll see ug di ba mag pusot2x imong mga kabaaang barangay...


 ;D





jukims? iassume kekero. hahaha.
anyway. so true.i was able to control it man.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2008, 03:03:18 PM »
og lami kay way i blame lagi.hehehe

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2008, 09:02:48 PM »
I should say YES!

And to you Mocha dear, bantay bitaw ug maka control ba ka ug naa na kay Jukims ha?

Ajaw jud gamit ug bisan unsa, (which was the teaching used to be)

and we'll see ug di ba mag pusot2x imong mga kabaaang barangay...


 ;D





jukims? iassume kekero. hahaha.
anyway. so true.i was able to control it man.




Thats good...

karon pwede naman kay instead manguhit ang banana dili naman tagdon kay naa may dokdok, nintendo, Wii etc etc...

tawon ang mga taga shukid kay mao ray ilang kalipay?

hahahahhaa

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2008, 09:47:21 PM »
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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2008, 09:50:23 PM »
mao na!

ma abstain na dajun kay nag bungol naman!

maayo sad na nga birth control dah!

hahahhahahah

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2009, 07:00:24 PM »
After how many months, I still say, the church is not responsible.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2009, 09:21:47 PM »
it's nobody's responsibility but our own. we cannot blame other people or any institution for our own (right or wrong) decisions. it's a volitional matter to have or not to have kids.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2009, 10:46:07 PM »
Or lets just say, some of our people needs to be educated (not from the church) I really believed that church has something to do with it (that was before) kay i heard it from so many less educated nga the church dont allow contraception. I heard that from my own two ears, kay i mingle a lot of them kind of people.

Some of you, who never have gone to the poorest and remote places in our country i would suggest nga pagkig  EB mo sa mga bukid-bukid people and ask them  why they didnt use contraception and they would say "ingon man gud ang simbahan nga maka gaba ang mag IUD, PILLS etc.

Ako ra ni gi base sa akong mga na kukabildo.


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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2009, 12:05:53 AM »
Ako yes because this is the church business strategy. They oppose any artificial methods to birth control because they wanted many children be born naturaly. Naturally, Filipino couples are loving partners because the church teaches us to love your lifetime partner. Loving your liftime partner is habit forming that both, wife and husband, would crave for love three times a day. Bag ohay pa gani nangilomkilom tua na sa solud sa kwarto, matulog na kuno. By that means, our population multiplies in leaps and bounds producing so many children, and therfore makes the church happy as expected. Pag dyotay lang ang mga batang ipanganak, syempre gamay ra sad ang kita sa simbahan kay dyotay ra man ang magpabunyag. LOL...You may not believe me but this is what my neighbor say!

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2009, 12:54:50 AM »
That is a fact A'lie. Vatican is the smallest state within the city of Rome  pero the richest. Asa man sila gikan ug pohunan?

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2009, 01:33:38 AM »
eh di poor them. hehe:)

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daghan kac angle ibase ana.
like at an early age, nana sex education,
i think not pa na pwede, its alarming pa tale
as to the parents and the church wont favor it too.
but if like your age na ate kiams, pwede nana sex education.

my mum give us sex education and biological ek ek at very early age in the form of simple question and answer because ignorance and not knowing pros and cons most of the times put us in danger. she wanted us to be responsible with everything kay di naman mi makaingon nga wala mi kabalo kung masayop mi kay gileksyon naman mi. my mum believes that its better to have information from a mother first hand. she gave answers to our curious and inquiring minds. it helped a lot.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2009, 04:39:29 AM »
Ako yes because this is the church business strategy. They oppose any artificial methods to birth control because they wanted many children be born naturaly. Naturally, Filipino couples are loving partners because the church teaches us to love your lifetime partner. Loving your liftime partner is habit forming that both, wife and husband, would crave for love three times a day. Bag ohay pa gani nangilomkilom tua na sa solud sa kwarto, matulog na kuno. By that means, our population multiplies in leaps and bounds producing so many children, and therfore makes the church happy as expected. Pag dyotay lang ang mga batang ipanganak, syempre gamay ra sad ang kita sa simbahan kay dyotay ra man ang magpabunyag. LOL...You may not believe me but this is what my neighbor say!

hahahaha. bitaw pod no. pero, ang Simbahang Katoliko mangayo ra man, di man pod mamugus (karong panahona na) og di jud mohatag. kung di mosuporta ang mga tawo sa ilang simbahan, wa sila'y kabobot-on nga magpadayon ang usa ka parokya. kung muuyon ang mga tawo nga sirhan ang ilang parokya kay kuwang nag suporta, dili magmakuli ang simbahan pagbuhat niini, kay ang simbahan dili ang gambalay kundi ang mga tawo.
ang baruganan sa Simbahan bahin sa populasyon, iya kanang katungod pag-bungat bisan dili tanan uyon. Magpabilin kining iyang papel isip konsensya sa mga tawo, maminaw man sila o dili. aber nganli kono og kinsang mga pamilya o magtiayon nga gikondinar sa simbahan in public tungod kay wa musunod sa iyang pagtolun-an bahin ani? dili mokondinar (lahi sa Supak) ang simbahan tingod kay kabubut-on sa tawo ang pagsunod, apan dili kini nagpasabot nga kalimtan niya ang iyang papel sa pagtudlo kung kini maoy gikinahanglan. labi na karong panahona.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2009, 06:11:49 AM »
Dinhi sa Germany ang buhis sa simbahan  kuhaon daan sa imong sweldo, busa daghang nanggawas sa katoliko nga simbahan, ang buhis sa relihiyon apil ang protestante.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2009, 12:26:09 PM »
mao tingali pod nay balaod sa gobyerno diha, hofelina. i wonder lang pod nganong miuyon mga tawo ana nga balaora. i'm surprised to hear it.

naa koy nadunggan diri sa akong lugar, gisabot ang mga tawo kung uyon sila, (kung kinsa tong muuyon nga motabang sa ilang simbahan), mohatag silag donasyon gikan sa ilang credit card. automatic na na naa mo-appear didto. ok ra man.

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Re: Is The Church Responsible for the Over Population in the Philippines?
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2010, 11:11:18 AM »
it's nobody's responsibility but our own. we cannot blame other people or any institution for our own (right or wrong) decisions. it's a volitional matter to have or not to have kids.

Well said. Free Will. :)

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