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Re: Francis Chiz Escudero as Philippine President in 2010?
« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2009, 08:22:53 AM »
Hehehe, sakto ka Layman. Basin mock-up missile lang ug dili molupad made of melamine.

Also I don't believe China owns nuclear arms. I think only the former USSR, North Korea, Iran, Pakistan and India are having nuclear program among all Asian countries. Even North Korea is heavily monitored by the US & UN.

kinsay nasayod, bay mack. kung pwede nila itago ilang gipangsagol sa pagkaon, basin gitagoan pod nila ilang Nukes.

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Re: Francis Chiz Escudero as Philippine President in 2010?
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2009, 03:30:31 PM »
It is easy to talk about war Macky.  But imagine, if your family in the Philippines becomes the first one to be bombed.  Before you plan your war, make it sure that you have safe resettlement for 85 million Filipinos.

I cannot believe in this times, people as educated as we are, think very "logical".



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Re: Francis Chiz Escudero as Philippine President in 2010?
« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2009, 05:14:25 PM »
War can broke in two ways. One party is the invader and one is the defender. This is an instant war as what happened in Pearl Harbour & Kuwait.

The other way is when deplomacy fails and war is the final option. It may be a cold war or a bloody war.

In our case, we have not even made efforts on the deplomatic stage. No one cares putting this issue on the plate.

It seems that our Elected leaders are prioritizing on defending thier position, than defending the country/people they vowed to serve.

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« Reply #44 on: March 04, 2009, 05:18:03 PM »
It is a crime to proliferate a wrong information, my Hungarian professor told me before.
We have existing diplomatic relationship with China, Malaysia, Vietnam  and other countries claiming territory over the Spratlys.
Who told you it is failing?

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« Reply #45 on: March 04, 2009, 05:23:13 PM »
Think about border and territorial conflict of Gaza and of Kashmir?  Was there any long term solution?  Did war solve everything?  and would you like to migrate in Israel with your entire family?

A very very dangerous president would you be if you were one. 

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« Reply #46 on: March 04, 2009, 06:51:24 PM »
A president can not do without mandate of majority, otherwise he is a dictator. The problem in the Philippines now is lack of information and awareness. The majority does'nt even know if Spratly's exists. Others thought it is somewhere in Hawaii because of its American name. If there is an information drive followed by referendum, I am sure the majority will demand claim over Spratlys.

Diplomatic relation and treaty is only a piece of paper if one party disrespects it. In our case, it is. China's fleet are reported to have landed and established a base. They even held Filipino fishermen, accusing them of trespassing (in our own territory?). The fact that it is happening openly in broad daylight only indicates collaborators presently in power.

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« Reply #47 on: March 04, 2009, 09:00:09 PM »
You for example, you do not even know that we do not claim the entire spratly islands, but a portion of it, called Kalayaan Islands.

Still misleading, inaccurate information.

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« Reply #48 on: March 04, 2009, 09:05:02 PM »
War is declared by the president, mandated by the Philippine Congress.  A referendum is not needed.

You know how costly a referendum is? 

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« Reply #49 on: March 04, 2009, 09:06:51 PM »
I know this fact that 300 kms from shoreline is the extent of an island nation's territory. However, China having the most area of the Spratlys is not contented and still wants the whole spratlys. Chinese vessels openly camped inside the 300 km. perimeter of Philippine territory.

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« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2009, 12:09:48 AM »
it's not just the Chinese who claims part of the spratly's. the vietnam, burma and thailand too. why they just don't make it an international collaboration to develop what's in there?

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Re: Francis Chiz Escudero as Philippine President in 2010?
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2009, 12:35:09 AM »
it's not just the Chinese who claims part of the spratly's. the vietnam, burma and thailand too. why they just don't make it an international collaboration to develop what's in there?

What is in effect is the International Code of Conduct in the Law of the Sea.
ASEAN and China through dialogue have tried to work out differences to inspect the region, regarding different claimant's rights.

The Philippine Surface Fleet, openly and actively sends sorties to Republican-occupied Kalayaan Group. The Chinese SOCOM also actively sends sorties to its region of control from its bases from Hainan and Guangzhaou. The Vietnamese Navy also sends sorties to protect its territorial claim.

The Malaysian, Indonesian, and Singaporean claimants are not so active in the Spratlys as they claim mostly the southern chain--closer to their zone of control.

The three contending powers--namely, The Republic of the Philippines, People's Republic of China and Vietnam hold on to significant shoals and islands that are large in size.

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« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2009, 12:38:24 AM »
Spratly Islands

The South China Sea is defined by the International Hydrographic Bureau as the body of water stretching in a Southwest to Northeast direction, whose southern border is 3 degrees South latitude between South Sumatra and Kalimantan (Karimata Straits), and whose northern border is the Strait of Taiwan from the northern tip of Taiwan to the Fukien coast of China. The South China Sea region is the world's second busiest international sea lane. More than half of the world's supertanker traffic passes through the region's waters. In addition, the South China Sea region contains oil and gas resources strategically located near large energy-consuming countries.

The South China Sea encompasses a portion of the Pacific Ocean stretching roughly from Singapore and the Strait of Malacca in the southwest, to the Strait of Taiwan (between Taiwan and China) in the northeast. The area includes more than 200 small islands, rocks, and reefs, with the majority located in the Paracel and Spratly Island chains. The Spratlys links the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean. All its islands are coral, low and small, about 5 to 6 meters above water, spread over 160,000 to 180,000 square kilometers of sea zone (or 12 times that of the Paracels), with a total land area of 10 square kilometers only. The Paracels also has a total land area of 10 square kilometers spread over a sea zone of 15,000 to 16,000 square kilometers.

Many of these islands are partially submerged islets, rocks, and reefs that are little more than shipping hazards not suitable for habitation. The islands are important, however, for strategic and political reasons, because ownership claims to them are used to bolster claims to the surrounding sea and its resources.

The South China Sea is rich in natural resources such as oil and natural gas. These resources have garnered attention throughout the Asia-Pacific region. Until recently, East Asia's economic growth rates had been among the highest in the world, and despite the current economic crisis, economic growth prospects in the long-term remain among the best in the world. This economic growth will be accompanied by an increasing demand for energy. Over the next 20 years, oil consumption among developing Asian countries is expected to rise by 4% annually on average, with about half of this increase coming from China. If this growth rate is maintained, oil demand for these nations will reach 25 million barrels per day - more than double current consumption levels -- by 2020.

Almost of all of this additional Asian oil demand, as well as Japan's oil needs, will need to be imported from the Middle East and Africa, and to pass through the strategic Strait of Malacca into the South China Sea. Countries in the Asia-Pacific region depend on seaborne trade to fuel their economic growth, and this has led to the sea's transformation into one of the world's busiest shipping lanes. Over half of the world's merchant fleet (by tonnage) sails through the South China Sea every year. The economic potential and geopolitical importance of the South China Sea region has resulted in jockeying between the surrounding nations to claim this sea and its resources for themselves.

Military skirmishes have occurred numerous times in the past two decades. The most serious occurred in 1976, when China invaded and captured the Paracel Islands from Vietnam, and in 1988, when Chinese and Vietnamese navies clashed at Johnson Reef in the Spratly Islands, sinking several Vietnamese boats and killing over 70 sailors.

The disputed areas often involve oil and gas resources:

    * Indonesia's ownership of the gas-rich Natuna Island group was undisputed until China released an official map indicating that the Natunas were in Chinese-claimed waters.
    * The Philippines' Malampaya and Camago natural gas and condensate fields are in Chinese-claimed waters.
    * Many of Malaysia's natural gas fields located offshore Sarawak also fall under the Chinese claim.
    * Vietnam and China have overlapping claims to undeveloped blocks off the Vietnamese coast. A block referred to by the Chinese as Wan' Bei-21 (WAB-21) west of the Spratly Islands is claimed by the Vietnamese in their blocks 133, 134, and 135. In addition, Vietnam's Dai Hung (Big Bear) oil field is at the boundary of waters claimed by the Chinese.
    * Maritime boundaries in the gas-rich Gulf of Thailand portion of the South China Sea have not been clearly defined. Several companies have been signed exploration agreements but have been unable to drill in a disputed zone between Cambodia and Thailand.

Most of these claims are historical, but they are also based upon internationally accepted principles extending territorial claims offshore onto a country's continental shelf, as well as the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

The 1982 convention created a number of guidelines concerning the status of islands, the continental shelf, enclosed seas, and territorial limits. Three of the most relevant to the South China Sea are:

   1. Article 3, which establishes that "every state has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles";
   2. Articles 55 - 75 define the concept of an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), which is an area up to 200 nautical miles beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea. The EEZ gives coastal states "sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring and exploiting, conserving and managing the natural resources, whether living or non-living, of the waters superjacent to" (above) "the seabed and of the seabed and its subsoil..."
   3. Article 121, which states that rocks that cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf.

The establishment of the EEZ created the potential for overlapping claims in semi-enclosed seas such as the South China Sea. These claims could be extended by any nation which could establish a settlement on the islands in the region. South China Sea claimants have clashed as they tried to establish outposts on the islands (mostly military) in order to be in conformity with Article 121 in pressing their claims.

In mid-1991, fresh from diplomatic success in helping to end the Cambodian civil war, Indonesia took the initiative in seeking to open multilateral negotiations on competitive South China Sea claims, especially those claims involving jurisdictional disputes over the Spratly Islands. Indonesia has taken a leading role in diplomatic initiatives and cooperative agreements to resolve South China Sea issues, particularly through the ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) forum, which has called for the peaceful arbitration of territorial claims. ASEAN includes all South China Sea nations except for China and Taiwan, and has held a number of working groups with China and Taiwan on related issues that have the potential to foster the cooperation and friendship needed to resolve the more contentious issues in the region. Indonesia hosted the first of these workshops in 1990. The ASEAN foreign ministers have reiterated the invitations to all parties directly concerned to subscribe to the principles of the ASEAN Declaration on the South China Sea.

In late 1998 the presidents of China and the Philippines agreed to form a committee of experts to advise on confidence-building measures.

In late November 1999 officials of ASEAN agreed to draft a regional code of conduct to prevent conflicts over the Spratly Islands in advance of the ASEAN summit in Manila. The Philippines, which drafted much of the proposed code, sought to align ASEAN's members in a common stance against what it saw as Chinese expansionism in the Spratlys. China agreed to hold talks with ASEAN member nations on the newly formulated draft code of conduct. But China, which claims the entire South China Sea, signalled it was not ready to agree to the ASEAN draft. Vietnam wanted the code to cover the Paracels while Malaysia did not want the code to refer to all of the South China Sea. China, which is not an ASEAN member and claims all of the islands, opposed inclusion of the Paracels in the code. Australia pressed for the proposed code to include a moratorium on the occupation of reefs and atolls or building on them.

In January 2000 photographs of Mischief Reef in the Spratly Islands were shown to the foreign ministers of the other eight ASEAN countries by Philippine foreign minister, Domingo Siazon. The photographic evidence showed that China had expanded installations on the reef since 1995, when it first started building what it said were shelters for fishermen. There are now four sites on the reef with installations that could be connected to form a fortress, like Gibraltar, or a five-star hotel for fishermen.

Southeast Asian countries, concerned that Beijing might be strengthening its claim to much of the South China Sea, called for restraint and strict observance of international law in a high-level meeting with China in January 2000.

On 04 November 2002 the Governments of the Member States of ASEAN and the Government of the People's Republic of China signed the "Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea." The Parties undertook to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities in the South China Sea that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features and to handle their differences in a constructive manner.

China and the Philippines have discussed possible joint exploration for petroleum in the disputed Spratly Islands in the South China Sea. The speaker of the Philippine House of Representatives, Jose de Venecia, said the chairman of China's parliament, Wu Bannguo, made the proposal 31 August 2003 during talks in Manila. China also pledged to increase investment in the Philippines. Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing vowed to increase investments in the Philippines to match the growing Philippine investment in China. The two ministers also discussed the territorial disputes in the South China Sea.

In September 2003 representatives of the Philippines, China and other claimant countries of the Spratly Islands signed a declaration of peace to promote the development of the resources in the disputed islands. The declaration was signed at the Asian Association of Parliaments for Peace (AAPP) conference in the Philippines.

In March 2005, the national oil companies of China, the Philippines, and Vietnam signed a joint accord to conduct marine seismic experiments in the Spratly Islands for economic purposes.

Suggested confidence-building measures among claimant countries include joint research and development in the Spratlys. Among the suggestions to enhance the development of the Spratly Islands include the creation of a marine park; establishment of a South China Sea Institute for Marine Resources Management, conducting a joint survey and assessment of the mineral and hydrocarbon potential and implementation of maritime safety and surveillance measures.

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« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2009, 12:40:59 AM »

Illustration of the disputed region.

Note that the Philippines is the true contender. The Spratlys are within the proxmity Philippine Space. Due to its shear proxmity to Palawaan, itself. Palawaan, being an integral province of the Republic.

This is why the Republic of the Philippines is active and openly voices concern.
And it has been the judicial expertise of the Philippines and it politicians, that have facilitated dialogue and mutual respect between the Chinese and The Filipino sides.



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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2009, 12:50:40 AM »
Kalayo ra ang China sa Spratley! From what point did they base with their claims? That the Spratley Group of Islands is within the China Sea? Mao ba ni diay? Gonggong jod ning mga intsek! Hay, uli na la ko Sina, lugi ako negosyo. Hatag na ko kwarta GMA para pati Pinas ako a na pero wa pa gihapoy silbe, Senado o Kongreso harang. Lentsik jod Oi!

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« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2009, 12:58:53 AM »
There should be another thread for this.  We are out of topic.

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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2009, 01:02:10 AM »
From Villa Escudero to Spratley? Sus lajo a ra kaajo.

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« Reply #57 on: March 05, 2009, 01:17:32 AM »
From Villa Escudero to Spratley? Sus lajo a ra kaajo.

ang mga escudero ug mga spratley paryente ra na sila, layman. hahahaha

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« Reply #58 on: March 05, 2009, 01:19:15 AM »
Mga kadugo ni sila sa mga Resort family!

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« Reply #59 on: March 05, 2009, 01:19:20 AM »
Tungod man gud na storyang gira-gira.. sa amoa pa ni, storya ilawum dagat!

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« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2009, 01:25:18 AM »
Abi kog usa sa mga platforms ni Chez kining claim sa Spratley. Kuyog kuyog na lang ko ari sa tumoy. Pastilan ang housekeeper aning thread wa man mobadlong nga nasalaag naman diay ni. Maayo pag gira kay nakatarget na sa enemy line ang mga armies, diri tira tira pasagad lang oi! Sus, tarungon na ni nato, please.

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« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2009, 01:32:45 AM »
ang VILLA ESCUDERO naa na sa SPratlys island.. mao na

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« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2009, 02:07:15 AM »
Abi kog usa sa mga platforms ni Chez kining claim sa Spratley. Kuyog kuyog na lang ko ari sa tumoy. Pastilan ang housekeeper aning thread wa man mobadlong nga nasalaag naman diay ni. Maayo pag gira kay nakatarget na sa enemy line ang mga armies, diri tira tira pasagad lang oi! Sus, tarungon na ni nato, please.

tua nay gigama si lorenzo, bay layman, nga bag-ong thread. adto ta mag-gyera. hahaha

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« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2009, 02:22:02 AM »
For those who are interested in discussing the Philippine Sovereignty regarding the Spratly's as well as the Sabah State, I made a thread, and any and all comments regarding the specificity of the claims, military scenarios, are all welcome.

It is interesting to see the different points of view regarding the said topic, as it validates the concern of the Filipino to the integrity, continuity, and solidarity of the Philippine Fatherland, its territories within and without.

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« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2009, 04:08:33 AM »
ang Villa Escudero tua na sa Laguna it's a beautiful place daghan ang moanhang turista, kalayo raba ang Spratlys sa Villa Escudero ui!

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« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2009, 06:24:34 AM »
Mao ni ang official website in Chez Escudero: http://www.chizescudero.com/

Forum site gihapon ni pareha sa TB.

Ig unsa kaha ni si Chez Escudero ni Esteban Escudero ug ni Goliat?

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« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2009, 08:03:22 AM »
Mao ni ang official website in Chez Escudero: http://www.chizescudero.com/

Forum site gihapon ni pareha sa TB.

Ig unsa kaha ni si Chez Escudero ni Esteban Escudero ug ni Goliat?

di ko mobotar aning Chez Escudero bisan pa'g pakapinan ni Teban ug Goliath.

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« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2009, 02:32:10 PM »
ako sad dili mobotar kay Escudero, naay pagkahambug publicity lang kanunay kunwari supak supak para lang mapansin sa sambayanan.

kung pagpilion ko kay Aumentado og Escudero maayo pa si Aumentado maskin og dili pa ilado tibuok Pilipinas at least daghan pa og nahimo sa Bohol. diehard kay concrete na among kalsada karon.

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« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2009, 02:14:04 AM »
ok ra cya pang senador. ayaw na president. intawn.

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« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2009, 02:57:29 AM »
ok ra cya pang senador. ayaw na president. intawn.

bitaw, maau pa si Aumentado kaysa iyaha. dili jud ko mobotar pagkapresident og molansar sya.

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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2009, 07:15:30 PM »
amoa ng spratley. ajaw na lang mog angkon-angkon diha para way mga kilay mangalarot.

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« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2009, 10:47:38 AM »
Calle, pasugura na ug kampanya si Chiz Escudero. Dili  bawal karon
mangampanya kay wala  pa man siya naka file ug certificate of candidacy.
Nakita mo gabii saTVpatrol ,daghang nang streamers is Jejomar Binay sa
Manila, for president.

Mao ne bag-o karon. Pwede na mangampanya bisan ug dili pa campaign
period matod sa COMELEC.

KOn mangampanya ka karon, wala kay violation kay wala pa man ka file sa
imong certificate of candidacy. "Wala man ko nangampanya , nag pa expose
lang ko".
 

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« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2009, 11:19:08 AM »
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The Commission on Elections on Friday said commercials of possible presidential candidates in the 2010 elections are not a form of early campaigning but are meant to gauge voters' preferences ahead of next year's polls.

Comelec Chairman Jose Melo said the commercials are meant to raise awareness of the politicians among the public. He also said candidates for the 2010 polls are only allowed to campaign three months before the elections.

He said violators of Comelec's rules and regulations will be sanctioned.

A Pulse Asia survey earlier showed Filipinos remain undecided on their presidential candidate for 2010 but seem to be clear—for now—about their vice-presidential and top senatorial bets.

Dr. Ana Maria Tabunda, Pulse Asia chief research fellow, said in a press statement the results of the February 2009 Ulat ng Bayan national survey conducted from February 2 to 15, 2009, indicate that if elections were held today, it would be a toss-up among the top aspirants.

“No clear winner would emerge in the presidential race if the May 2010 elections were held today. If the May 2010 elections were conducted now, it would be a very close race, with four probable candidates enjoying nearly the same overall voter preferences,” Tabunda said.

The top candidates as of now, based on the survey, are Vice President Noli de Castro (19 percent), Sen. Francis Escudero (17 percent), former President Joseph Estrada (16 percent), and Sen. Manuel  Villar Jr. (15 percent).

Sen. Loren Legarda is at fifth place, with 12 percent of voters’ preference.

Others included in the survey on presidential candidates are Sens. Manuel Roxas II (8 percent) and Panfilo Lacson (6 percent), Makati City Mayor Jejomar Binay (2 percent), and Metropolitan Manila Development Authority Chairman Bayani Fernando (1 percent).



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« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2009, 11:42:58 AM »
bitaw, maau pa si Aumentado kaysa iyaha. dili jud ko mobotar pagkapresident og molansar sya.

count me in, di ko ganahan ni escudero jud.  sige ra na ug kontra, why not just do what he is supposed to do for the good of his constituents, rather than reklamo left and right then ang iyang time nahurot sa reklamo.

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Re: Francis Chiz Escudero as Philippine President in 2010?
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2009, 12:15:04 PM »
wa man jud na syay nahimo. maayo lang sya manulti pero way buhat.

walk the talk, honorable senator.

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« Reply #75 on: March 24, 2009, 12:16:47 PM »
Calle, pasugura na ug kampanya si Chiz Escudero. Dili  bawal karon
mangampanya kay wala  pa man siya naka file ug certificate of candidacy.
Nakita mo gabii saTVpatrol ,daghang nang streamers is Jejomar Binay sa
Manila, for president.

Mao ne bag-o karon. Pwede na mangampanya bisan ug dili pa campaign
period matod sa COMELEC.

KOn mangampanya ka karon, wala kay violation kay wala pa man ka file sa
imong certificate of candidacy. "Wala man ko nangampanya , nag pa expose
lang ko".
 

dili ko mangampanya nia sir daray.

Panlilio for President and Grace Padaca for Vice-President ko run.

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« Reply #77 on: March 24, 2009, 12:24:50 PM »
Bag-o nga team: Panlilio- Padaca, karon pa ko nakadungog ani.

Based on survey,  si Noli ang nag-una. Dugay ra nangampanya
in form of expose sa TV.

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« Reply #78 on: March 24, 2009, 12:26:09 PM »
the panlilio-padaca tandem was all over the national papers since sunday, i think.

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« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2009, 12:31:11 PM »
panlilio mao ba na ang pari?  kinsa man ng padaca wa man ko kadungog ana

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