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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2008, 01:51:12 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2008, 02:40:03 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2008, 11:12:32 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2008, 01:22:21 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2008, 09:29:47 PM »
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Excellente! This is to where the first mass in the Philippines was held on March 31, 1521.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2008, 09:59:13 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2009, 02:17:00 PM »
Limasawa, site of first mass?

The so-called "first mass" was held at an island named "Mazaua" (Italian/French spelling for a vernacular word "masawa" which is Butuanon for brilliant light). Five eyewitnesses wrote on the Mazaua incident, Antonio Pigafetta, Gines de Mafra (who revisted the island in 1543), Francisco Albo, The Genoese Pilot, and Martin de Ayamonte. The accounts of Pigafetta, Albo, and the Genoese Pilot are in Stanley's book. De Mafra's is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_mass_in_the_Philippines#The_account_of_Gin.C3.A9s_de_Mafra. Ayamonte's is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_de_Ayamonte.

The "Limasaua" story was written by Fr. Francisco Combes, S.J., only in 1667, almost one and a half century after the Mazaua incident. Combes had not read Pigafetta, Albo, The Genoese Pilot, Gines de Mafra, and Ayamonte.

You can read the original Spanish text of this 3-paragraph story by Fr. Francisco Combes, S.J., at http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=philamer;cc=philamer;q1=Limasaua;rgn=full%20text;idno=ahz9273.0001.001;didno=ahz9273.0001.001;view=image;seq=134. The English translation of the 3 paragraphs by Fr. Miguel A. Bernad, S.J., may be read at http://books.google.com/books?id=NbG7kHtBma8C&pg=PA1&dq=First+mass+in+Limasawa&ei=6w27SZi7IoLKlQS8neDVAg#PPA4,M1.

After reading Bernad's translation, let me ask you the following:

1. Is there any reference to an Easter mass or whatever mass in the Limasaua story?

2. Is Limasaua the ialand where Magellan and his fleet anchored from March 28 to April 4, 1521?

If you want to know the factual story of the first mass, please go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_mass_in_the_Philippines.

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 10:49:20 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2009, 12:49:25 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2009, 01:01:49 PM »
The right place for disputed first Mass in Limasawa


By Rolando O. Borrinaga
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First Posted 06:03:00 04/14/2007

Filed Under: history, Regional authorities


TACLOBAN CITY -- A new twist in an officially settled historical dispute again requires action from authorities.

On March 31, the 486th anniversary of the recorded First Mass in the Philippines in 1521 was commemorated by two claimants—Limasawa town in Southern Leyte and Butuan City on behalf of its old Masao District.

The decades-old Limasawa vs Masao dispute was officially settled in March 1998 when the National Historical Institute (NHI) ruled for Limasawa. But this verdict did not deter the pro-Masao group from persisting with their claim and performing parallel ceremonies.

The NHI decision ignored another historical error by tacitly upholding the belief that the First Mass was held in the southeastern coast of Limasawa, in the vicinity of the present Barangay Magallanes.

Legacy

A legacy of this error, the new Shrine of the First Holy Mass—an edifice made of bricks and polished concrete that was inaugurated two years ago—sits on top of a hill overlooking the barangay.

Vicente C. de Jesus, an independent scholar who strongly supports the Butuan claim, has criticized the NHI commission that looked into the issue for allegedly dismissing an eyewitness account that implied a western site of the First Mass on the island recorded as Mazaua in 16th-century documents.

The witness was Gines de Mafra, a member of both the Magellan expedition in 1521 and the Villalobos expedition in 1543. He had dropped by Limasawa on both occasions. In 1543, he met again the same chief, presumably Rajah Kolambu, who received Magellan in 1521.

De Mafra’s account had remained hidden in a Madrid archive for 375 years before it was found and published in 1920. It mentioned that the Magellan fleet anchored in Mazaua at “a good harbor on its western side, and is inhabited.”

De Mafra’s claim is corroborated by a map made by Antonio Pigafetta, chronicler of the Magellan expedition, according to De Jesus. The map in the Nancy-Libri-Beinecke-Yale codex is said to show a cross in one of two hills facing the sea southwest of the island.

The Pigafetta map in the Beinecke manuscript shows the cross on the upper hill near the sea. The lower hill, drawn in the middle of the land mass at the bottom of the map, does not have the cross symbol.

Ships’ movement

A single sentence in the popular James Robertson translation of the Pigafetta account could give the First Mass event to western Limasawa. It said: “In the afternoon we went in the ships [and anchored] near the dwelling of the king.”

This meant sailing the ships from their initial anchorage off the southeastern coast and rounding the island at the south toward the acantilado (deep) waters of the western cove fronting Barangay Triana, the oldest settlement and present town proper of Limasawa.

Such overlooked movement of Magellan’s ships could corroborate De Mafra’s account.

The locals had always believed that Triana was a word play on Tirana, the name of the legendary Bisayan queen who was known as one of the five wives of Rajah Bankaw.

But Fr. Peter Schreurs, MSC, who had published two books that favor the Limasawa claim, told this writer in a 1999 letter that Triana was a suburb of the old Spanish capital of Seville, across the Guadalquivir River, in which main church Magellan was wedded to Beatriz Barbosa.

Thus, it now seems that it was Magellan himself who designated the name Triana to the settlement in Limasawa.

Affirmatory proof

An aerial photograph of Limasawa Island shows the two prominent hills that affirm the landmarks on Pigafetta’s map in the Beinecke manuscript. The hill on which Magellan and his crew erected a cross after the Easter Sunday Mass in 1521 was presumably the upper hill marked with a cross on the old map, and the one nearest to Triana and overlooks the present town proper from the north.

Perhaps now is the time for the NHI to consider issuing a complementary amendment to their verdict related to the First Mass being held in Limasawa. The supporting evidence strongly suggest that this event happened in the vicinity of the present Barangay Triana and not in Barangay Magallanes, and that the cross was erected on the hill overlooking Triana and nowhere near the present shrine southeast of the island.

With the official correction, it is hoped that the fifth centennial of the Limasawa event in 2021, or 14 years from now, could be celebrated in its right place on the island.
 

 

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2009, 06:11:44 AM »
"A lie repeated a hundred times becomes the truth."

    â€“ Chairman Mao

The pro-Mazaua groups are 100% sure and rabid about their contentions that Ferdinand Magellan anchored, landed and held the First Mass on Easter Sunday, March 31, 1521 in Mazaua, Butuan, Mindanao. So much so that one of their commissioned historians wrote on Magellan's lost landfall and has been writing, publishing, and blogging about it in the Internet superhighways all over the world.  He has been calling the attention of the scholars and other experts globally to stand behind his and the pro-Butuanons' backs.  Some of them have criticized and insulted the intelligence of the highly educated staff of the National Historical Institute for "not doing their jobs."  Like the talking parrots, they have criticized repeatedly a former First Lady of the Philippines for her so-called pro-Limasawa (Southern Leyte) stand.

However, the pro-Mazaua groups depended too much on the contradicting notes of the longitude, latitude and other descriptions of Mazzaua Island which Pigafetta, Albo and de Mafra wrote about.  The pro-Mazaua groups relied too much on the eye witness accounts of the dead sailors, dead priests, dead historians, dead people, etc. that had insufficient knowledge of sea navigation, coordinates, world cartography, geography, history ...  They had no Global Positioning System (GPS) available during their era of exploration and circumnavigation.  They relied too much on their unearth "balanghais" and hundreds of other archaeological artifacts found under the grounds of Mazaua, Butuan City.

Above all, due to their lack of knowledge, understanding, and wisdom on the religious or biblical aspects of Magellan's expedition, exploration and circumnavigation, the pro-Mazaua or Butuan groups failed to decode the science on the "lost day" which the survivors of Magellan's expedition experienced at Cape Verde islands, located off the coast of northwest Africa, after they completed their first circumnavigation on Earth by sailing westward.

Pigafetta logged:  "On Wednesday, the ninth of July [1522], we arrived at one of these islands named Santiago, where we immediately sent the boat ashore to obtain provisions.  And we charged our men in the boat that, when they were ashore, they should ask what day it was. They were answered that to the Portuguese it was Thursday, at which they were much amazed, for to us it was Wednesday, and we knew not how we had fallen into error.  For every day I, being always in health, had written down each day without any intermission.  But, as we were told since, there had been no mistake, for we had always made our voyage westward and had returned to the same place of departure as the sun, wherefore the long voyage had brought the gain of twenty-four hours, as is clearly seen."

Magellan and his Spanish-funded expedition forces sailed westward from Spain to search for the Spice Islands, which the Portuguese had colonized few years before including the islands of Mindanao - at least a year prior to Magellan's departure from Spain.  If Magellan's expedition anchored and landed in Mazaua, Butuan, how come Pigafetta discovered too late about the "lost day" only after he and his fellow survivors had completed the westward circumnavigation and landed in Santiago Island, Cape Verde which was a Portuguese colony?

Pigafetta should have known and written about the "lost day" if they anchored and landed in Mazaua, Butuan because the Portuguese had colonized and influenced the natives of Mazaua or Butuan before Magellan and his troops arrived.  (The Portuguese authorities in Butuan erected years later a historical marker to honor Magellan, not because Magellan was in Butuan but because he was a Portuguese by birth.)

The educated natives in Mazaua or Butuan knew about the calendar from their Portuguese colonizers that arrived in Mindanao via Indonesia, via the Indian Ocean, via South Africa, via West Africa, and all the way from Portugal.  The so-called historians, professors, educators, scientists, experts, etc. that supported "Magellan's landfall in Mazaua, Butuan" failed to observe, to learn, and to decipher from the clear and easily understandable logbook of Pigafetta on the "lost day."  It was and is similar to having a "Mark of the Beast" which millions to billions of the Christians around the world do not know about!

Again, Magellan and his fellow sailors who carried the Spanish flag and their Portuguese counterparts traveled from southwestern Europe in opposite directions.  The Portuguese had the monopoly to colonize the islands and continents east of the demarcation line all the way eastward to the entire Philippines and the rest of the Far East.  The Spanish had the monopoly to colonize all lands west of the demarcation line all the way westward, including the islands in the Atlantic Ocean, the entire American continent including Alaska, Canada, Central and South America, and the entire islands in the Pacific Ocean.  

If the Spanish explorers landed in Mazaua, Butuan, Mindanao and spent several days communicating, exchanging gifts, eating and drinking "tuba" with, observing the "First Mass" on Easter with the natives and erecting the cross or introducing Christianity, and doing other gestures of friendships, why did Pigafetta notice the "lost day" too late or until he and his fellow survivors had completed their first circumnavigation, and dropped anchors off the coast of Santiago - one of the islands in Cape Verde? Again, Pigafetta observed: "And we charged our men in the boat that, when they were ashore, they should ask what day it was...."

Let us put it in another way: if Magellan anchored and landed in Mazaua, Butuan and observed "Easter Sunday" on March 31, 1521, the Portuguese-influenced natives in Mazaua should have corrected Magellan that the Easter Mass was over with and that very same day was a Monday, April 1, 1521.  Or was it March 30, 1521?

When the Portuguese explored and colonized eastward up to the demarcation line which included the entire Philippine Islands, they carried with them the same calendar which the Spaniards used. Years later, when Magellan and his fellow sailors sailed from Seville, Spain to search for the Spice Islands via the uncharted west, at least from the west coast of the American continent, the Spanish-funded explorers carried with them the same calendar used by the Portuguese that sailed eastward from Portugal which was and is attached to the much bigger Spanish territory in Western Europe.

Since the International Date Line did not exist until 1884, when Magellan landed and had the "First Mass" on Easter Sunday held with the natives of Mazzaua/Limasawa Island, Pigafetta - Magellan's official chronicler - had to be the first person to observe or notice if there was a wrong date.  It was neither the wrong calendar day not until the survivors of Magellan's expedition on board the Victoria sailed across the biblical date line which started from the Garden of Eden! Before the turn of the 17th century, the explorers, navigators, colonizers and the other so-called experts believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth just as 1 in 5 Americans still believe today!

For your understanding of the big differences between the Biblical or Hebrew Calendar and Julian or Gregorian Calendar, you should read the article, IDL = a Mark of the Beast which you can find in the Internet.  One church minister will give you $1 million dollars (U.S.) reward if you can find a verse in the Old or New Testament Bible which says God commanded the Hebrews, 12 Tribes of Israel, the Lost Tribes, and the Christian converts to observe holy the first day of the week, Sunday, instead of the seventh day - Saturday!

Since the Portuguese colonizers in Mindanao did not colonize Limasawa or Mazzaua Island in Southern Leyte, when Magellan, Pigafetta, Albo, del Cano, Valderama, and the other Spanish-flag bearing sailors landed in Limasawa or Mazzaua Island, Pigafetta did not write about the discrepancy regarding the "lost day."  The calendar used by the educated inhabitants of Homonhon, Limasawa, Cebu, Mactan, Palawan, and other islands in which del Cano, Pigafetta and other survivors landed on including the Spice Islands had to be free from the presence and influence of the Portuguese colonizers that sailed eastward from Portugal to Mindanao via Indonesia.

Therefore, the Spanish-financed Magellan and his fellow sailors in the flagship Trinidad and those in 2 other ships, the Concepcion and Victoria, anchored, landed and observed the "First Mass" on Easter Sunday, March 31, 1521 in Limasawa Island, Southern Leyte!

Let us stop the arguments or debates on Magellan's exact location of the Philippines' "First Mass" on Easter - which was and is a pagan festival or event which originated from Babylon or Iraq few thousand years even before Jesus Christ was born!  The so-called important historical debates cannot provide the drastic needs for our fellow 90 million Filipinos!

Bear in mind that Magellan studied Columbus' achievements before Magellan and his fellow explorers risked their own lives to search for the Spice Islands via the uncharted west.  He and his troops accidentally ended down in the Philippines where Lapu-lapu killed the unfortunate Magellan and few others in Mactan Island.

Let us learn from Columbus' re-discovery of America: "The first place Christopher Columbus landed when he came to the New World in 1492 was an island of the Bahamas.  Columbus claimed the island for Spain and named it San Salvador.  Historians are not sure which island Columbus landed, but they think it may have been present-day San Salvador (formerly Watling Island) or Samana Cay." Although Columbus had explored the Caribbeans 4 times in 1492, 1493, 1498 and 1502, there are proponents for 7 other possible landing sites as to where exactly Columbus and his troops first anchored and landed during their 1492 voyage to the Caribbean Islands!

For the sake of unity to our country's diverse Christian denominations, for the sake of the independent Christian groups and other religious organizations and institutions, for the sake of the tourism and hospitality industries, and for the sake and success of the coming 500th "First Mass" Anniversary Celebration on March 31, 2021, we Filipinos need to get rid of the terminology "First Mass" on Easter - which is again pagan in origin.  Instead the right and proper description of the historical and religious events which occurred during the expedition, exploration and circumnavigation should have been "Magellan's introduction of Christianity" in Homonhon, Limasawa, Cebu and few of the 7107 other islands in the Philippines!


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« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 01:05:55 PM »
Until now, the Phil. Historical Commission can not confirm this conflicting ssue.

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« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 08:14:02 PM »
Before it became a separate town, Limasawa used to be part of the Municipality of Padre Burgos on the mainland of Southern Leyte. Triana is the island's poblacion barangay.

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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2009, 09:01:26 PM »

It will help us all around if we pause and read what Fr. Francisco Combes really wrote. Here is his 3-paragraphs on Limasawa:

“The first time that the royal standards of the Faith were seen to fly in this island [of Mindanao] was when the Archipelago was first discovered by the Admiral Alonso de Magallanes. He followed a new and difficult route [across the Pacific] , entering by the Strait of Siargao, formed by that island and that of Leyte, and landing at the island of Limasaua which is at theentrance of that Strait. Amazed by the novelty and stangeness of the [Spanish] nation and the ships, the barbarians of that island welcomed them and gave them good refreshments.
   â€œWhile at Limasaua, enjoying rest and good treatment, they heard of the River of Butuan, whose chieftain was more powerful. His reputation attracted our men thither to see for themselves or be disillusioned, their curiosity sharpened by the fact that the place was nearby. The barbariqan [chief] lived up to our men’s expectations, providing them with the food they needed….Magellan contented himself with having them do reverence to the cross which is erected upon a hillock as a sign to future generations of their alliance….The solemnity with which the cross was erected and the deep piety shown by the Spaniards, and by the natives following the example of the Spaniards, engendered great respect for the cross.
   â€œNot finding in Butuan the facilities required by the ships, they returned to Limasaua to seek further advice in planning their future route. The Prince of Limasaua told them of the three most powerful nations among the Pintados [Visayans], namely those of Caraga, Samar, and Zebu. The nearness of Zebu, the facilities of its port, and the more developed social structure (being more monarchial) aroused everyone’s desire to go thither. Thus, guided by the chief of Limasaua, passing between Bool and Leyte and close to the Camotes Islands, they entered the harbor of Cebu by the Mandawe entrance on the 7th of April 1521, having departed from Limasaua on the first day of that month.”  Translation of Spanish text of Combes by Fr. Miguel Anselmo Bernad, one of the foremost advocates of the Limasawa=Mazaua hypothesis.

Now, let me ask, is there any mass mentioned in Combes' story? Is his Limasawa the port of Magellan's fleet from March-April 1521?

The Limasawa story was written by someone who had not read a single primary account of Magellan's voyage. He read a faithful story of the Mazaua incident by Antonio de Herrera y Tordesillas. Combes dismissed this as fake. Instead he opted for the account by Giovanni Battista Ramusio which wrongly pointed to Butuan as the port instead of Mazaua.

To have an idea of what Mazaua was pls. go to www.xeniaeditrice.it and scroll down to the article "Mazaua." Or go to Wikipedia, click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_mass_in_the_Philippines and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_mass_in_the_Philippines

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Saw Limasawa during our drive from Padre Burgos to Pintuyan, Southern Leyte.


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 was when the Archipelago was first discovered by the Admiral Alonso de Magallanes. He followed a new and difficult route [across the Pacific] , entering by the Strait of Siargao, formed by that island and that of Leyte, and landing at the island of Limasaua which is at theentrance of that Strait. Amazed by the novelty and stangeness of the [Spanish] nation and the ships, the barbarians of that island welcomed them and gave them good refreshments.
   “While at Limasaua, enjoying rest and good treatment, they heard of the River of Butuan, whose chieftain was more powerful. His reputation attracted our men thither to see for themselves or be disillusioned, their curiosity sharpened by the fact that the place was nearby. The barbariqan [chief] lived up to our men’s expectations, providing them with the food they needed….Magellan contented himself with having them do reverence to the cross which is erected upon a hillock as a sign to future generations of their alliance….The solemnity with which the cross was erected and the deep piety shown by the Spaniards, and by the natives following the example of the Spaniards, engendered great respect for the cross.
   “Not finding in Butuan the facilities required by the ships, they returned to Limasaua to seek further advice in planning their future route. The Prince of Limasaua told them of the three most powerful nations among the Pintados [Visayans], namely those of Caraga, Samar, and Zebu. The nearness of Zebu, the facilities of its port, and the more developed social structure (being more monarchial) aroused everyone’s desire to go thither. Thus, guided by the chief of Limasaua, passing between Bool and Leyte and close to the Camotes Islands, they entered the harbor of Cebu by the Mandawe entrance on the 7th of April 1521, having departed from Limasaua on the first day of that month.”  Translation of Spanish text of Combes by Fr. Miguel Anselmo Bernad, one of the foremost advocates of the Limasawa=Mazaua hypothesis.

Now, let me ask, is there any mass mentioned in Combes' story? Is his Limasawa the port of Magellan's fleet from March-April 1521?

The Limasawa story was written by someone who had not read a single primary account of Magellan's voyage. He read a faithful story of the Mazaua incident by Antonio de Herrera y Tordesillas. Combes dismissed this as fake. Instead he opted for the account by Giovanni Battista Ramusio which wrongly pointed to Butuan as the port instead of Mazaua.

To have an idea of what Mazaua was pls. go to www.xeniaeditrice.it and scroll down to the article "Mazaua." Or go to Wikipedia, click http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_mass_in_the_Philippines and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:First_mass_in_the_Philippines

Vicente Calibo de Jesus
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Dear Mr. Vincente Calibo de Jesus,
Thank you for this post as well as the links that you've provided. We here in Tubag Bohol Dot Com are appreciative of this post and historical tid bit.


Best,
Brando Lorenzo Lucino



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