Author Topic: Tamblot, Miracle Man (Read 7551 times)

hubag bohol · « **on:** July 08, 2009, 10:04:54 AM »

"When the Boholanos began to convert to Christianity, Tamblot issued a challenge to the Spanish priest as to whose God was more powerful. The challenge was to produce rice and wine from a bamboo stalk. The Spanish priest prayed to his God, of course in Latin, and then cut the bamboo stalk from a groove, but no rice and wine came out. Tamblot then prayed to Ay Sono and then cut the bamboo stalk from a groove and out came rice and wine. (â€œMedinaâ€™s Historia 1630-34,â€ Blair & Robertson, Vol. 24, p. 116). Tamblot won the challenge and the people sided with Tamblot. Only the towns of Baclayon and Loboc remained loyal to the Spaniards. The Spaniards said it was trickery and the work of the demon.

"Yet the same account in â€œMedinaâ€™s Historiaâ€ said that when Alcalde Mayor Juan Alcarazo was hit by a stone, got wounded and fell to the ground, he arose cured by calling on the Holy Child. It was called a miracle! But when Tamblot produced wine and rice from the bamboo stalk, prayed for rain and the rains came and the leaves turned into fishes, it was called trickery or the work of the demon. This is really biased reporting. The Spaniards did not deny the events but only attributed it to different sources, demon for Tamblot and Holy Child for the Spaniard."

--Tirol, Jes. Abatan River Cruise: A Travel Through History

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Brownman · « **Reply #1 on:** July 08, 2009, 10:22:56 AM »

very informative, thanks for sharing hubag b.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #2 on:** July 08, 2009, 10:25:33 AM »

Very interesting read, indeed.

Thanks alot for writing this, Mel!

If you like this brown, I suggest you read 'Conquest of Nueva Espana'. Great book.

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Brownman · « **Reply #3 on:** July 08, 2009, 10:35:15 AM »

thanks again brod, it's fun reading with this kind of stuff, very
educational i try to visit 'Conquest of Nueva Espana' daghang salamat.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #4 on:** July 08, 2009, 11:52:02 AM »

"When the Boholanos began to convert to Christianity, Tamblot issued a challenge to the Spanish priest as to whose God was more powerful. The challenge was to produce rice and wine from a bamboo stalk. The Spanish priest prayed to his God, of course in Latin, and then cut the bamboo stalk from a groove, but no rice and wine came out. Tamblot then prayed to Ay Sono and then cut the bamboo stalk from a groove and out came rice and wine."

Nasulod sa laang ang Spanish priest. Wa tingali sija motambong sa seminar kabahin sa negotiations. Ninghatag unta sijag counter-proposal. Ija untang giingnang si Tamblot, Blot, imbis rice and wine, corn and beer lang kaha.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #5 on:** July 08, 2009, 12:01:38 PM »

Naa diay toy anting anting si Tamblot.I'm with the Spaniard priest.

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Brownman · « **Reply #6 on:** July 08, 2009, 12:42:10 PM »

Little is known about Tamblot except that he was a babaylan of Barrio Tupas, in Antequera town who led a number of his pagan followers to wage a religious war against the Spaniards for fear that their Bathala will be replaced by the God of the Catholic Religion. Further, he was a tumanan or a hermit, a biki or high priest of the local organized religion in Bohol dedicated to the god Ay Sono. Tamblot was a sab-o or seer who could know the future. He received a bugna or revelation from his god.The Boholanos, even before the coming of the Spaniards, already believed in the first man, the flood, paradise, and the punishment after death. (Blair & Robertson, Vol. 29, p. 283). These are beliefs similar to Christianity. They had a tabernacle-like worship place at Malabago, Cortes.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2009, 02:33:02 PM »

Tamblot was a pagan and a heathen.
False religion. False practice.

But in a local point of view, you could say he was a freedom fighter.
hehe, but he was a pagan worshiper nonetheless.

In that, I am thankful that the Lord sent the Spaniards to spread the message of Christ and Salvation to the islands. And brought to an end, the pagan animistic religion of the past.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2009, 02:42:00 PM »

Think about it this way lang, out of the nations in Asia, the Philippines is the only Christian Nation. Over 80% are Roman Catholic Christians, 10% Protestant.

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ZecurB · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:23:44 PM »

Have the Filipinos really left the pagan ways? Or were pagan practices have still been continued and the pagan gods and dieties replaced with the so-called catholic saints? It was easier to convert the pagans this way... Just for example celebrating the natal day on December when scientific proof tells us us that Jesus Christ was most likely born on summer. Putting up a christmas tree is a pagan practice, theis came from the Druids, who were the Druids? They were animists, they worshipped trees... I can mention more..

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:33:17 PM »

Have the Filipinos really left the pagan ways? Or were pagan practices have still been continued and the pagan gods and dieties replaced with the so-called catholic saints?

The conversion of a savage to Christianity is the conversion of Christianity to savagery.
--Shaw, George Bernard

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #11 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:42:40 PM »

Have the Filipinos really left the pagan ways? Or were pagan practices have still been continued and the pagan gods and dieties replaced with the so-called catholic saints? It was easier to convert the pagans this way... Just for example celebrating the natal day on December when scientific proof tells us us that Jesus Christ was most likely born on summer. Putting up a christmas tree is a pagan practice, theis came from the Druids, who were the Druids? They were animists, they worshipped trees... I can mention more..

Paganism is the sarficial, the belief and adoration of the pagan gods. It is when an individual prays to a deity that is not The Lord Our God.
The old Hellenistic Religions of the past, had over 15 gods, and praying to them and offering sacrifice to their statues. It is pagan because they are doing so in their full knowledge of worshiping a deity that is not The Lord Our God.
hehehe.

When Christians use christmas trees, or celebrate Christ's Day on December the 25th, it is not for the celebration of the solstice, tho hostirically it may have been placed on that date, because the conversion of Rome to Christianity was necessitated through the cultural processes that would faciliate the conversion process. The goal, my friend, the ultimate goal was to replace the old false religion to the real and TRUE religion. Which is in Christ Jesus.

How Mighty is His Name!

Interprations of historical dictums and specifics can undeniably lead a person to focus on the small aspects, not the Bigger Picture. Pick and pointing man na. Some people that think that way, I just think, that it precludes one to make judgements and not focus on the main and Big Picture.

Christmas Day is about Christ's Birth. It matters not on the date, we placed that date so that we remember the birth of the Savior. That is the true spirit of the season. Christmas is about Christ. Not presents, not soltice, not history, not arguing, not fighting, BUT about Christ.

Because as you see, we are men. Men, by nature is flawed. So therefore, some aspects of our religion will be flawed. That cannot be helped. But the Faith that is practiced THROUGH our religion, is perfect. And therefore, when we pray, when we reiterate our faith through our religion, religion and man is perfected in the Faith. hehehehe.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 09, 2009, 02:52:54 PM »

Man will influence man. That is given. That is natural.

When Israel was conquored by the Egyptians, they adopted some practices by the pagan Egyptians. It was adopted, and however, that pracice became Montheistic.

When Israel was conquored by Babylon, and then later by the Persians led by the anointed Cyrus, Israelites and Hebrews adopted some aspect of the Zoarastrian religion of Persia. THough the Israelites adopted some aspects, it did not change their faith nor their religion. For their religion is ancient. The manner of worship may have changed, but the Faith in which was expressed through worship stayed the same.

We see this in the building of Solomon's temple, its rebuilding, its glorification of God.

It is only when people lose their faith and stick and practice religion that forms a non-saving faith.

You may go to church (any denomination), and have no faith. But you go to church because you are accustomed to it. Does it mean you are saved? Of course not! Without faith, there is no salvation.

Christ reminds us of this of the pharisees. And of the Old Temple. Reminding us of how it has lost its way, since the days of Solomon the Wise, who built the temple. Laying down the construction of the temple.

To reiterate again, man will influence man.
It is up to the man to stick to the faith in Christ.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #13 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:10:18 PM »

As for the Roman Catholic Church;

Saints. What is a saint? You know that you and I are all saints. Those that believe and practice faith in Christ, is naturally, and undeniably a saint. A saint is Christ's Elect.

You could be a methodist and you could still be a saint. A baptist, and still be a saint.

The Catholic Church's beatification of men and women who lived and died for Christ (most of whom were martyrs of Christ, missionaries, priests, nuns) is indeed justified. It is a reminder for us, the living, of where and what is the true purpose of life--> which is calling us Heavenbound through Christ Jesus.

The saints are there for us to remember and to make us internalize our own faith. Think about it this way, you and I or any average Joe will have doubts some time in our lives. That is natural, as we are all flawed. All of us. (Romans 3:23 "For all have have sinned..") But it is a reminder for us to stick to the faith in Christ Jesus.

The saints are merely reminders of us of how we should live our lives. That though we may be attacked, may suffer, may suffer challenges that make us and try to denounce our faith, or succumb to pain and ailment, that our lives and our bodies are not our own. It is the temple of the Holy Spirit. The saints' lives remind us of the main goal. To which is calling us Heavenbound, to which Christ Jesus has provided for us.

I personally do not pray to any saint. Nor should we. When an individual prostrates and prays directly to a statue of the saint, that should be warned. When an individual puts more emphasis on a saint rather than on Christ Jesus---that should be avoided and corrected. Imporing divine assistance should be towards God, not anything else.

Catholics, being human, some will fall into sway, some will err, of course, we all err. None is perfect. Kinsa man perfect diay? hehehe
Wa Yamo

Si Jesu Cristo may perfect. Ang Ginoo may perfect.
Kita tanan, dust ra ta. Dust to dust.

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Bunchy · « **Reply #14 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:11:00 PM »

Kaning word nga Pagan ba. Di ba sa bisaya ni nga meaning is Natapsingan o naangol. Kahunahuna ko ron. Mao siguro gitawag ni ug pagan practices kay dili man jud sure tapsing tapsing ra ba o naangol ra gud kay mao may gi ingon sa mga tigulang di gi sunod ra pod.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #15 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:14:05 PM »

haha! good point, Bunch.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:15:58 PM »

Kaning word nga Pagan ba. Di ba sa bisaya ni nga meaning is Natapsingan o naangol. Kahunahuna ko ron. Mao siguro gitawag ni ug pagan practices kay dili man jud sure tapsing tapsing ra ba o naangol ra gud kay mao may gi ingon sa mga tigulang di gi sunod ra pod.

Ha ha ha, nindota ning imong observation, Bunchy, oi. Sama anang arbularyo bitaw, swerte-swerte lang, kon maulian ang masakiton, OK, pero kon matiwasan, aw, sorry, napagan lang gud!

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Bunchy · « **Reply #17 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:18:45 PM »

Ha ha ha, nindota ning imong observation, Bunchy, oi. Sama anang arbularyo bitaw, swerte-swerte lang, kon maulian ang masakiton, OK, pero kon matiwasan, aw, sorry, napagan lang gud!

Hahaha.Murag mao na noh.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #18 on:** July 09, 2009, 03:24:06 PM »

Beautiful kaayo lagi ning language.

Analyze lang ko, M&M's translation of pagan(english literal sense) to the bnisaya (Pagan) is an example of cultural-linguo interchange. This is a tactic that the Spaniards applied to the Meso-Amerindians as well as to the Malayans of Philippines. Understanding the local word---and the hispanic word/practice, and applying it into action.

This is how religion (Christianity) was spread to the New World.

By building on top of the old, and replacing it with the new.

Analysis lang,

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ZecurB · « **Reply #19 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:00:31 PM »

Religion can never save anybody, it's your personal relationship with Jesus Christ "IRREGARDLESS OF YOUR DENOMINATION". If you accept that Jesus Christ died for your sins and you whole-heartedly accept "HIM and only HIM" as your personal Lord and Saviour and have faith in HIM then you will be saved....

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #20 on:** July 09, 2009, 04:03:26 PM »

Religion can never save anybody, it's your personal relationship with Jesus Christ "IRREGARDLESS OF YOUR DENOMINATION". If you accept that Jesus Christ died for your sins and you whole-heartedly accept "HIM and only HIM" as your personal Lord and Saviour and have faith in HIM then you will be saved....

mo agree ko ana.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #21 on:** July 11, 2009, 11:10:03 AM »

Nakita ni Tamblot nga ang relihiyon gigamit sa panlupig ug pagpang-ulipon. Imbis ang mga Bol-anon lamdagan, gilipat-lipat man hinuon sila sa mga Katsila unja gigamit ang Diyos sa pagpanghadlok.

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gwargz · « **Reply #22 on:** September 23, 2009, 11:39:04 PM »

Think about it this way lang, out of the nations in Asia, the Philippines is the only Christian Nation. Over 80% are Roman Catholic Christians, 10% Protestant.

:)What is the bottomline point on your message Brother?

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gwargz · « **Reply #23 on:** September 23, 2009, 11:43:20 PM »

Nakita ni Tamblot nga ang relihiyon gigamit sa panlupig ug pagpang-ulipon. Imbis ang mga Bol-anon lamdagan, gilipat-lipat man hinuon sila sa mga Katsila unja gigamit ang Diyos sa pagpanghadlok.

True. Kahinumdom pa gani ko sa istorya sa akong Tatay nga sa bata pa siya, masuko ang Pari nga mobasa sila sa Bibliya kay ang Pari ra daw ang pwede ani. Hehehe. Mga bugoy man gud tong ubang pari sa Katsila. In fact, in some history books, nag-ingon nga dili daw to pari ang uban. Gi-asaynan lang nga himoong pari kay ang pari nga miuban sa ilang biyahe, namatay kay gikolera.

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gwargz · « **Reply #24 on:** September 23, 2009, 11:47:15 PM »

Kaning word nga Pagan ba. Di ba sa bisaya ni nga meaning is Natapsingan o naangol. Kahunahuna ko ron. Mao siguro gitawag ni ug pagan practices kay dili man jud sure tapsing tapsing ra ba o naangol ra gud kay mao may gi ingon sa mga tigulang di gi sunod ra pod.

Duol ra man ning istoryaha sa giyera kaniadto sa World War II nga daghan ug namatay nga Filipinos kay sa mga Americans. Mimandar kuno ang Amerkano nga, "You, Filipinos, go ahead, we will follow you!" Miingon pod intawon ang lider-lider sa Pinoy nga "Mouna kuno ta kay magpaluyo lang siya."

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apothecary · « **Reply #25 on:** September 25, 2009, 05:19:52 PM »

There is an attempt to immortalize the conquests of Tamblot in a Musicalle Lihok Bohol is developing for Antequera segment of the Abatan Community Life Tours.

The play on on its final stages, uses local talents and has Loboc compoasers.

It also attempts to see Tamblot in the light of the community

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #26 on:** September 29, 2009, 02:02:30 PM »

There is an attempt to immortalize the conquests of Tamblot in a Musicalle Lihok Bohol is developing for Antequera segment of the Abatan Community Life Tours.

The play on on its final stages, uses local talents and has Loboc compoasers.

It also attempts to see Tamblot in the light of the community

This is a noteworthy initiative. Tamblot is one of the most neglected figures in Philippine history. I hope the play is well-written, and I wish the production great success.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #27 on:** September 30, 2009, 04:37:59 AM »

He should be named, TAMBLOT the Zealot.

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gwargz · « **Reply #28 on:** October 14, 2009, 09:44:02 PM »

Religion can never save anybody, it's your personal relationship with Jesus Christ "IRREGARDLESS OF YOUR DENOMINATION". If you accept that Jesus Christ died for your sins and you whole-heartedly accept "HIM and only HIM" as your personal Lord and Saviour and have faith in HIM then you will be saved....

Korek kaayo.

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paopadd · « **Reply #29 on:** April 04, 2010, 04:37:31 AM »

Dear friends, i'm not a Boholano ; i'm italian ; i'm interested on filipino history and culture ; at present i'm doing a research on Filipino flags and symbols (www.watawat.net ).
Tamblot and Dagohoy are very important heroes among filipino heroes but i see we don't know too much on them; i'm particularly interested on flags and symbols adopted by Tamblot and Dagohoy during their revolts against Spain , there is someone who can help me on this topic ?
I contacted many official institutions in the Phils. but i never received any reply or received few short infos only...
Someone about Dagohoy sent me the present provincial flag drawing, a flag created afer about 3 centuries after Dagohoy !!!!

Thanks for your help

Mabuhay

paopadd (Paolo )

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fdaray · « **Reply #30 on:** April 04, 2010, 03:32:21 PM »

Welcome ....,paopadd in TB. You will meet many friends here. You may open google and search :the evolution of the Filipino flag, Dagohoy's flag and Tamblot flag.

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paopadd · « **Reply #31 on:** April 04, 2010, 03:41:23 PM »

Thanks fdaray; anyway, on google you can't find out anything on the original symbols of the two great Boholano heroes , the principal source on flags and symbols came from my researches and web sites : www.watawat.net (filipino flags and symbols ) and www.royalpanji.net (flags and symbols of Royal Sultanates of Sulu and Mindanao ).
On the net you can only find out the PRESENT provincial flag of Bohol ....

Mabuhay !!!

paopadd

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