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Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« on: November 30, 2009, 01:34:26 AM »
By RIC V. OBEDENCIO

GUINDAKPAN Is., Talibon - Climate change caused by either natural or human activity particularly greenhouse emissions has already taken a toll on this islet, said barangay chairman in this barangay.

Romulo Pendon, barangay captain of Guindakpan island, a little over 26-hectare islet off Talibon town with a population of almost 2,000, has keenly observed that the rise of sea level during high tide has been unusual.

He told Vice-Gov. Julius Herrera and company during the visit of the latter recently of this, saying that the basketball court, which situated a higher ground, is almost flooded by high tide, which is not used to be during the highest tide season.

A resident here interviewed but did not tell his name said his house near the shoreline is already underwater when seawater rises.

In neighboring island barangay of Calituban, an island of almost 4,000 residents and about ten minute-ride from Guindakpan, is also experiencing the same – unusual seawater rise.

In Calape town, an island barangay of Mantatao is literally submerged when seawater rises.

Some residents here are starting to look for another place to settle in the future.

These islets may be considered as “Climate takers,” which are “those that are not responsible for large greenhouse gas emissions but nonetheless suffer the consequences of climate change.”

Meanwhile, climate change is one of the bone of discussions during the three day (Nov. 26-28, 2009) Bohol Environment Forum held at Jjs Seafood Village restaurant in this city courtesy of Bohol Nature Conservation Society (Bonaconso), Pakisama and Foundation for Philippine Environment (FPE).

Provincial Environment and Natural Resources Officer Nestor Canda tackled the impact of climate change on Bohol ’s geophysical formation and Mr. Nicanor Perlas separately dealt on governance in light of climate change.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 02:43:47 AM »
Oi sa una di paman to ma submerge ang Mantatao karon submerged na diay sila. One thing I also notice kay sa una maligo mi ang dagat sa among tungod sa balay(mean likod) dili pa man to lawom ug dako ang dagat karon malapong naman ta maligo nga sa una taga abaga raman to sa akong nanay karon sobra sa ulo na niya.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 11:21:59 AM »
ning taas man jud ang tubig. asa man diay ning paingon ang mga nalanay nga iceberg aw glacier diay kay ang iceberg di man diay na maka affect ug malanay... alang alang ug gisuyop sa mga alien sa Mars! ahahahah!

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 01:56:02 PM »
Appear na lang ta ani... aron mo appear balik mga isla sa Bohol!!!  ;D

MDB, haven't heard from u in a while... asa ka ron nag tago2x?

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 02:45:36 PM »
Nakaanha ko anang Guindacpan. Pirti daghanang mga sugarol - madjong, tong-its, etc. Wala may laing lingaw human mahalin ang kuha. 

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2009, 03:49:56 PM »
Maghimo nalang ug dike parehas sa holland ba.



magbutang ug murag pilapil na barrier para di kalahos ang tubig.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2009, 07:51:24 PM »
Maghimo nalang ug dike parehas sa holland ba.



magbutang ug murag pilapil na barrier para di kalahos ang tubig.

Slack, ingna taga Pangangan nga mag-andam2 na pod.
Kinahanglan pabagaon ang mga katunggan didto.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2009, 09:10:11 PM »
Maghimo nalang ug dike parehas sa holland ba.





magbutang ug murag pilapil na barrier para di kalahos ang tubig.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2009, 09:34:18 PM »
Slack, ingna taga Pangangan nga mag-andam2 na pod.
Kinahanglan pabagaon ang mga katunggan didto.

ang pangangan mao na ang isla na perteng taasa ug hunasan. mao na di na ma dali2x ug ka unlod sa dagat.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2009, 10:12:47 PM »
gikan baya ko sa mahaba island  sa talibon gahapon. makit-an man ang neighboring islands from where we were. calituban is such a small island ug daghan ra gyud ang mga residente... dagko ang mga balay. speaking of carrying capacity, hagbay ra nilapas sa limit. dako ang issue aning population in relation to health and environment. apan ang atong leaders (one secretary sa DENR), wala mituo nga anaa tay problema sa population.  :-[

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2009, 11:35:11 PM »
Daghan bitaw sad ug tawo ning isla kalituban parehas sad na sa isla sa Cuaming sa Inabanga. Dili mominus ug upat ang anak kda pamilya.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2009, 02:11:56 AM »
Witness gyud ko aning pagsaka sa tubig kon highest hight tide sa causeway padulong sa isla sa Sandingan nga mawala gyud ang dalan. Dili ni ingon kaniadto. Imagine-non na lang sa driver ang kalsada pinaagi sa kabakhawan on both sides. Busa karon gipahabogan sa gobyerno ang maong dalan.

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2009, 06:06:12 AM »
Scientists advocating global warming who are unwilling to share their research in climate change to other scientists who might be having a different opinion from their data are now cornered eating their humble pie.

They are now exposed as hoaxers when thousands of their emails were hacked and leaked to
the media not the mainstream but Foxnews. The New York Times published it but other from the mainstream media like CNN, NBC, ABC or MSNBC keep a deafening silence about the climate change scandal. Foxnews reported that emails and documents from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University of London were hacked and revealed their anomalous activities. Their hacked emails revealed there is deceit, duplicity and collusion between climate researchers
to maintain the fraud of the manmade global warming theory.

Hacker leaks thousands of emails showing climate change scientists conspire to hide and blind the people about the truth on the real data on climate change. There will be a UN climate change conference in Copenhagen on December 9 and what would they say about the invented
change in the climate? Are these people attending the conference still be comfortable talking about the subject when the theory about climate change or global warming is exposed as a fraud?

Here is an example of one of the thousand of emails hacked and leaked to Foxnews:

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley, [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim's got the diagram here we'll send that later today or first thing tomorrow. I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Deleted....

Cheers
Phil

This email is from Phil Jones sent to his coleagues in the university stating the "trick of adding to the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years and for Keith's (maybe one of the fellow researchers) to hide the declining temperature."

Therefore in their reseach the earth's temperature is not warming but declining but they are adding numerical data to the real temperature to each series to hide the truth.

The scandal created by these climate change scientists is ignored by the mainstream or "lame" stream media because climate change or global warming whatever is correct... is an issue that cannot be controlled or reined in to go back from where it started. If we retrace the way on how world governments and the UN in particular were involved... it started simply with the issue of pollution.

During the 1960's Los Angeles is reputed to be the worst polluted city in the world. Environmental activists at that time were concerned only about the air pollution of their cities coming from the exhaust emitted by smoke belching vehicles. And they put the car industry
lobby as the one to blame for the failure of the US government to facilitate the city of Los Angeles an effecient system of transport like the commuter train. The issue about coal-fired power plant was not yet in their political agenda and it was yet way beyond their
expectation.

It was not until a NASA scientist named James Hansen who was researching on the atmosphere of the planet venus that the localize issue of air pollution was wholly politicized and centered the issue on climate change. He is a physicist and an astronomer and he found out that venus is enveloped by three layers of gas theorizing and concluding that these gases caused the hot environment of the planet. This conlusion is also the basis of his theory that the earth's
atmosphere due to exhaust emitted by vehicles and coal-fired power plants caused the earth to warm. He called the effect as anthropogenic which means that global warming is caused by human activities.

Whenever there are floods, hurricanes or earthquakes environmentalists see these as man-made disasters because they theorized this phenomenon as the effect of global warming. Our faith based principle that God is the cause of all natural things to happen is taboo in the mind of a
global warming activist because man has also the power to control the weather through the prevention in the burning of fossil fuel.

In the 1970's when James Hansen popularized his global warming theory many jumped in to take a ride on his bandwagon by creating among themselves political parties like the Green Party in Europe and Australia. NGO's sprouting to promote Hansen's theory like Greenpeace also surprised my inner thoughts how they can acquire ocean going vessels to harrass Japanese whalers in the high seas. There must be some philanthropist businessmen who are bankrolling their political activism. And like the early oil barons at the advent of the car industry Al Gore a politician turned businessman is traveling around the world preaching and capitalizing on the global warming hysteria to promote his business in carbon trading and solar cells. Jeff Immelt
the CEO of NBC and George Soros are also in the business of Solar panels.

They are out to bankrupt the oil and the coal industries and have hidden political agenda which is why the "lame" stream media who sympathizes with these new breed of eco-businessmen are totally ignoring the scandal happening at CRU in the University of East Anglia at London.

WN

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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2009, 08:24:33 AM »
I have a geologist friend who also argues that the climactic changes we're going through are part of the long-term cycle that happens independent of human action. So should we just take comfort in the thought that we are caught in the midst of a geologic transition?

The argument that the world is not warming, however, runs counter to almost all physical facts. Tell that to those living in the sinking islands of Bohol, the government of Maldives that is now frantic to save its shores, shippers who live in danger of drifting icebergs, those who monitor the meltdown of polar ice, etc. The adverse acts of nature simply remind us human beings to be more responsible in our actions.

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2009, 01:14:34 PM »
That's true because the ice in the polar region are gradually melting, also the ice berg.
The sea level now and then will rise until some of these islands will submerge in water.


The beauty of Hubbard Glacier is so esquisite and stunning. They say this is the only glacier that is expanding. They dont know why, as all the others are either gone or receding quickly due to global warming

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2009, 01:18:50 PM »
Scientists advocating global warming who are unwilling to share their research in climate change to other scientists who might be having a different opinion from their data are now cornered eating their humble pie.

They are now exposed as hoaxers when thousands of their emails were hacked and leaked to
the media not the mainstream but Foxnews. The New York Times published it but other from the mainstream media like CNN, NBC, ABC or MSNBC keep a deafening silence about the climate change scandal. Foxnews reported that emails and documents from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University of London were hacked and revealed their anomalous activities. Their hacked emails revealed there is deceit, duplicity and collusion between climate researchers
to maintain the fraud of the manmade global warming theory.

Hacker leaks thousands of emails showing climate change scientists conspire to hide and blind the people about the truth on the real data on climate change. There will be a UN climate change conference in Copenhagen on December 9 and what would they say about the invented
change in the climate? Are these people attending the conference still be comfortable talking about the subject when the theory about climate change or global warming is exposed as a fraud?

Here is an example of one of the thousand of emails hacked and leaked to Foxnews:

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley, [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim's got the diagram here we'll send that later today or first thing tomorrow. I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Deleted....

Cheers
Phil

This email is from Phil Jones sent to his coleagues in the university stating the "trick of adding to the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years and for Keith's (maybe one of the fellow researchers) to hide the declining temperature."

Therefore in their reseach the earth's temperature is not warming but declining but they are adding numerical data to the real temperature to each series to hide the truth.

The scandal created by these climate change scientists is ignored by the mainstream or "lame" stream media because climate change or global warming whatever is correct... is an issue that cannot be controlled or reined in to go back from where it started. If we retrace the way on how world governments and the UN in particular were involved... it started simply with the issue of pollution.

During the 1960's Los Angeles is reputed to be the worst polluted city in the world. Environmental activists at that time were concerned only about the air pollution of their cities coming from the exhaust emitted by smoke belching vehicles. And they put the car industry
lobby as the one to blame for the failure of the US government to facilitate the city of Los Angeles an effecient system of transport like the commuter train. The issue about coal-fired power plant was not yet in their political agenda and it was yet way beyond their
expectation.

It was not until a NASA scientist named James Hansen who was researching on the atmosphere of the planet venus that the localize issue of air pollution was wholly politicized and centered the issue on climate change. He is a physicist and an astronomer and he found out that venus is enveloped by three layers of gas theorizing and concluding that these gases caused the hot environment of the planet. This conlusion is also the basis of his theory that the earth's
atmosphere due to exhaust emitted by vehicles and coal-fired power plants caused the earth to warm. He called the effect as anthropogenic which means that global warming is caused by human activities.

Whenever there are floods, hurricanes or earthquakes environmentalists see these as man-made disasters because they theorized this phenomenon as the effect of global warming. Our faith based principle that God is the cause of all natural things to happen is taboo in the mind of a
global warming activist because man has also the power to control the weather through the prevention in the burning of fossil fuel.

In the 1970's when James Hansen popularized his global warming theory many jumped in to take a ride on his bandwagon by creating among themselves political parties like the Green Party in Europe and Australia. NGO's sprouting to promote Hansen's theory like Greenpeace also surprised my inner thoughts how they can acquire ocean going vessels to harrass Japanese whalers in the high seas. There must be some philanthropist businessmen who are bankrolling their political activism. And like the early oil barons at the advent of the car industry Al Gore a politician turned businessman is traveling around the world preaching and capitalizing on the global warming hysteria to promote his business in carbon trading and solar cells. Jeff Immelt
the CEO of NBC and George Soros are also in the business of Solar panels.

They are out to bankrupt the oil and the coal industries and have hidden political agenda which is why the "lame" stream media who sympathizes with these new breed of eco-businessmen are totally ignoring the scandal happening at CRU in the University of East Anglia at London.

WN

Fox always contradicted what the democrats say. We in Amerika is not surprise about it. They even want the administration to fail!

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2009, 04:33:39 PM »
I have a geologist friend who also argues that the climactic changes we're going through are part of the long-term cycle that happens independent of human action. So should we just take comfort in the thought that we are caught in the midst of a geologic transition?

The argument that the world is not warming, however, runs counter to almost all physical facts. Tell that to those living in the sinking islands of Bohol, the government of Maldives that is now frantic to save its shores, shippers who live in danger of drifting icebergs, those who monitor the meltdown of polar ice, etc. The adverse acts of nature simply remind us human beings to be more responsible in our actions.

If your geologist friend say that this cycle is natural then I agree with him because I believe that the climate cycle cannot be controlled by man even if there is a disruption in the cycle.

In my message posted yesterday I have this belief that global warming scientists are hoaxers
because instead of sharing information to other scientists who might have a different opinion than them they refused instead they resorted to trickery by manipulating data about global warming. The world is not warming but cooling! Hacker leaks thousands of emails showing climate change scientists conspire to hide and blind the people about the truth on the real data on climate change. They are now exposed as a fraud.

WN

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2009, 04:50:19 PM »
Fox always contradicted what the democrats say. We in Amerika is not surprise about it. They even want the administration to fail!

An American at that!

Ms da binsi,

You are missing the point! Foxnews is the bringer of the news. The people at Foxnews are the only TV news organization in the US today who is reporting news that is not reported by the mainstream media.

When I said in my message that only Foxnews is the only one reporting about the global warming scandal... it is not Foxnews that is the issue but the scandal committed by global warming scientists at CRU in the University of East Anglia in England. There is today emails conversations by global warming scientists revealing the manipulation of the global warming data.

WN



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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2009, 05:00:15 PM »
This news item titled; "Bohol island-villages  on edge of extinction?"
written by Ric V. Obedencio are all hogwash. I would rather call Ric
V. Obedencio an alarmist of the "gloom and doom" type than that of a
newsman who is concern with the welfare of the people and the
environment. The news that some of the islets of Bohol is "on the edge
of extinction" is alarmist reporting that even Ric V. Obedencio
himself does not believe in his assertion that the islets are on the
edge of extinction. Even if the cause is natural he did not give any
explanation but asserted more that this phenomenon is a man-made
disaster which he did not explain either... how come it be a man-made
disaster? Instead of alerting the attention of our local academics or
scientists [if there is any] what he did was to tell Boholano
politician like Vice-Gov. Julius Herrera about the rising of the sea
level. What he [Herrera] has to do with the rising sea level? Pugngan
nija ang baha? Hehehe.....


Accordingly some "2,000 persons keenly observed the rise of sea level
during high tide has been [called] unusual" but this can be explained
if only Ric V. Obedencio went to a person who has a keen knowledge of
the geology of the land. Since he went to a politician then the
explanation cannot be considered scientific but reasoning tainted with
politics. Newsmen in our province is a strange breed. If not always...
they mostly rely on politician's opinion in solving problems.


In my opinion the rising sea level on this islets can be explained by
sheer common sense even without the aid of climate science. These news
about islands and islets being breached by sea level is not new to me.
In the world today there are so many climate reporters paid to report about
climate change. Most of their news reports are propaganda. But Ric V.
Obedencio in his reports did not mention the exact date when these
islets of Guindakpan and Kalituban of Talibon to have been breached by
sea level but all we have is the information reported on Sunday
November 29, 2009. The other islet of Mantatao in Calape was reported
not so long ago as an islet submerged by sea water. If the islet of Mantatao
literally submerged as reported that means the islet itself sink to below sea
level. If Guindakpan and Kalituban Islets are breached by sea level it means
that the cause is the movement of the rising of the sea. Unlike Mantatao the
islets are not sinking but it is still overlapped by the sea level. If true then this
is where global warming theory plays its role.


According to climate change scientists the seas and oceans all over
the world is like a conveyor belt system. Warm water temperature of
the sea flow on top and when it reaches the polar ice caps the cold
temperature will bring the water down and keeps on a continous flow
until the flow of sea water reaches a warm temperature again that will
bring the water up. If this conveyor belt system is being disrupted by
the melting of the polar ice caps the systematic flow will come to a
halt. They theorized that this disruption will cause drought in some
places and flood in another as well as typhoons, hurricanes or
earthquakes and the rising of the sea level.


This melting of the polar ice caps is caused also [according to global
warming theoriticians] by the erosion of the ozone layer that serves
as a cover or gives a greenhouse effect on the planet earth. These
scientists blamed the erosion of the ozone layer to man's activities
by the burning of fossil fuels such as gas, coal and petroleum. Today
these theories of melting ice caps, rising sea level and splitting of
the ozone layer are backed up by leftist governments of the world and
in the United Nations. Honest climate change scientists who are
skeptical of their theories are left behind in the dark and not given
a forum by the leftist mainstream media which is why the news we read
is always favorable to the theory that global warming is a man-made
disaster. And of all governments only the US and a few of its allies
are vocal against the global warming activists in the UN and it was
only during the time of the Republican Party that the US dared to
challenge the theory of global warming.


I suspect the theory about global warming has a hidden political
agenda. This is a diversionary tactic by shifting gear to another
rallying point. Before when they were waving the banner of the hammer
and sickle nobody believed them so by ruse they changed their
political battle cry to a clean environment and global warming.


Let's go back to the fear of Ric V. Obedencio that Guindakpan and
Kalituban Islets are in the brink of extinction. I want him to explain
to his readers why he arrived at this point because this is bad for
the people of these two islets that their world is about to end. He is
sowing fear and the cult of global warming.


According to the theory the rising sea level is caused by the melting
of the two polar ice caps. If so... from what polar ice cap that is
going to breach the sea level of the islets of Guindakpan and
Kalituban... is it the south ice cap or the north ice cap? If the
melting is coming from the north... scientists theorized that the flow
of melting glacier will go down from the arctic Ocean to the Atlantic
Ocean. Therefore it is not possible for the melting ice from the north
to breach the islets of Guindakpan and Kalituban because Bohol is in
the Pacific and the surging melted water is coming from the Atlantic.


So it must be coming from the south ice cap of the Americas that the
surging melted water that will breach the sea level of the islets of
Guindakpan and Kalituban. From the South Ocean at the tip of South
America to the South Pacific and then the melted water will breach the
sea level of Guindakpan and Kalituban. Very strange phenomenon if not
logically flawed** Why not breach first the group of islands and
islets in the South Pacific which are also sandbars with the same
foundation and components as our islets in Bohol? Why is it that the
islets of Guindakpan and Kalituban should suffer to be sacrificed to
the cult of global warming?


Here's the rub** According to the news reported by Ric V. Obedencio
that; "climate change is one of the bone of discussions during the
three day (Nov. 26-28, 2009) Bohol Environment Forum held at Jjs
Seafood Village restaurant in this city courtesy of Bohol Nature
Conservation Society (Bonaconso), Pakisama and Foundation for
Philippine Environment (FPE).


Provincial Environment and Natural Resources Officer Nestor Canda
tackled the impact of climate change on Bohol ’s geophysical formation
and Mr. Nicanor Perlas separately dealt on governance in light of
climate change."


Climate change is a bone of discussions during a three day Bohol
Environmental Forum but where are the cons in the discussion. Why only
the proponents of climate change are mentioned by the reporter? The
three NGO's mentioned as Bohol Nature Conservation Society
(Bonaconso), Pakisama and Foundation for Philippine Environment (FPE)
I believe are all proponents of global warming that it is a man-made
disaster.


My only speculation in this environmental forum at JJ's Seafood
Village is that all the reporters that were present there are after
only the "sinugbang kitong, kinilaw and tinowang o sa isdang bato.

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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2009, 05:05:25 PM »
Data about temperature are in the public domain and are hard to classify because they are used for various purposes--from meteorologists to agriculturists.

Where I live, weather reports flash the range of temperature movement during the day and compare them with some kind of historical average. There really is a trend of temperature rising, but I am not sure if this is a significantly long-term trend. However, even for a layman like me, it is hard to contend that there is no trend towards warming since I have not experienced any major snowfall in the last fifteen years in areas where snow used to be at least knee-deep.

If your geologist friend say that this cycle is natural then I agree with him because I believe that the climate cycle cannot be controlled by man even if there is a disruption in the cycle.

In my message posted yesterday I have this belief that global warming scientists are hoaxers
because instead of sharing information to other scientists who might have a different opinion than them they refused instead they resorted to trickery by manipulating data about global warming. The world is not warming but cooling! Hacker leaks thousands of emails showing climate change scientists conspire to hide and blind the people about the truth on the real data on climate change. They are now exposed as a fraud.

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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2009, 05:56:41 PM »
Pagkanindot nga thread ni.
WN stressed a lot of eye openers.
Sakto.

Global warming will cause oceans to rise
as explained by the scientists, nag-apil2 dayon
sa concern ang mga nagpaka-aron-ingnon
nga mga Bol-anon.

Nganong karon pa man? Or karon pa ba sila
kabalo ani nga global concern?

Ambot lang kaha kon tungod ba sa sutukil
nga giingon ni WN. Hehehehe. Ambot lang kaha.
Sila ray nasayod unsa ka tinood sa gibati
nilang concern kuno sa global warming.

Nganong Guindakpan, Kalituban ug Mantatao Islets
ra man pod ang maunlod pohon? o malapawan?
Nganong dili man apil ang Pangangan, Sandingan,
Cabilao, Panglao, ug ubang isla palibot sa Bohol?

Nganong dili na lang man lukopon ang concern
sa tibook Pilipinas nga puro isla nga gagmay man
ang naglangkob niini?

Aaaah, mangutana sa ko sa katigulangan diris amoa
sa bukid kay kon magkinaunsa man, ulahi mi maunlod
kay dia mi sa 3,000 ft above sea level.

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2009, 10:13:03 PM »
Global warming is all about power,control(more regulation) and money. Dali ra ma control ang tawo labi na ilang strategy panghadlok. First ang government mag create ug problem,then mo identify sa problem,unya mo offer solution sa ilang gi create nga problem.
Tinuod bitaw nga bisan ako nakaobserve inglawom ang tubig sa among isla. Ug tungod pa ni sa global warming dili man siguro molawom di ba kundi ma submerge pud ang part sa among island like sa nahitabo sa mantatao ug ubang islets. So ang answer diay sa akong pangutana nganong lahi ra sa una ang dagat inig kaligo namo kay first of all naay possiblity nga ing sink ang hunasan pero ingsaka among island heheheh.Ang isla sa Mantatao possible ing unlod na kay daghan man abusado diha mang dynamite fishing basin ang foundation sa ilang isla nauyog mao ing sink na. Ug ing rise pa ang sea level nganong mapili rabitaw ang isla nga ing submerge dapat mouna pa gani ug ka submerge ang Bilangbilangan kaysa mantatao.

Kung si Hererra nag apil apil ani di ni maayo utro ning tree hugger hehhehe

Next time ug dili gani magwork ning ilang Global warming pilay pusta moingon napud ni sila ug nag global cooling napud. Karemember ko sa una gamay pa ko katong ozone layer bitaw ingon nabuslot unya inig year 2000 kono di na ta kagawas ug way special suit kay masunog ba to ang skin. 2009 naman lagi ta wa man lagi.

Usa ra akong masulti ani.Yes naa tay obligasyon nga ampingan nato ang kalibutan kay di ni atua sa Ginoo ni pero dapat ang tawo di magpaka Ginoo nga panghadlukon ta aning ilang gi create nga problem.Ang Ginoo ray nasayod sa tanan. Naay reason nganong nahitabo ang butang,nganong Iya ning gitugot.


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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2009, 06:46:31 AM »
Kuyaw jod ningh Madre motambag ba.
Opo sister Raqz. Hehehehe.

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« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2009, 08:16:04 AM »
Data about temperature are in the public domain and are hard to classify because they are used for various purposes--from meteorologists to agriculturists.

Where I live, weather reports flash the range of temperature movement during the day and compare them with some kind of historical average. There really is a trend of temperature rising, but I am not sure if this is a significantly long-term trend. However, even for a layman like me, it is hard to contend that there is no trend towards warming since I have not experienced any major snowfall in the last fifteen years in areas where snow used to be at least knee-deep.


benelynne,

I think you did not get my message. The issue of global warming advocating that it is caused by human activities through the burning of fossil fuel like gas, coal and petroleum is not true. It is a hoax and the information that the earth is warming is manipulated by the British and American global warming scientists. The scandal was revealed when their communication emails were hacked and divulged by Foxnews.

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2009, 09:10:08 AM »
Wa koy hanaw ani na issue sa global warming - although mag basa2x pod panagsa - ug interesting baya pod. Maau sad points ni WN, pero of course, like most arguments nga akong mabasa one-sided ra pod (or say, an issue of "from whose perspective"). Just because it came from FoxNews motoo napod ta dayon. Pero maayo baya sad na analyses. Pero mao lagi, kay di man ta suheto ani, maminaw na lang ta. My one and only point is: ngano sige man ko kadungog nga unusual na ang high tide aning aformentioned islets ug ubang lugar sa Bohol nga akong nadunggan, pero ngano man lagi kung muadto kog Caingget para mag sawom2x, lajo naman ko kaayog lakwan usa pa makalangoy kay sige lang low tide (hunas). I'm talking about the last 10 years or so?!! Wa kaha motuyok ang kalibutan kay morag nausab naman ang gravity hehehe...

Ang bahalina kaha, wa ba mohunas o mohubas? Corella ba gehapon maayo o basin nibalhin napod ang agas sa laing parte sa Bohol?  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2009, 10:20:12 AM »
Scientists advocating global warming who are unwilling to share their research in climate change to other scientists who might be having a different opinion from their data are now cornered eating their humble pie.

They are now exposed as hoaxers when thousands of their emails were hacked and leaked to
the media not the mainstream but Foxnews. The New York Times published it but other from the mainstream media like CNN, NBC, ABC or MSNBC keep a deafening silence about the climate change scandal. Foxnews reported that emails and documents from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University of London were hacked and revealed their anomalous activities. Their hacked emails revealed there is deceit, duplicity and collusion between climate researchers
to maintain the fraud of the manmade global warming theory.

Hacker leaks thousands of emails showing climate change scientists conspire to hide and blind the people about the truth on the real data on climate change. There will be a UN climate change conference in Copenhagen on December 9 and what would they say about the invented
change in the climate? Are these people attending the conference still be comfortable talking about the subject when the theory about climate change or global warming is exposed as a fraud?

Here is an example of one of the thousand of emails hacked and leaked to Foxnews:

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley, [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim's got the diagram here we'll send that later today or first thing tomorrow. I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Deleted....

Cheers
Phil

This email is from Phil Jones sent to his coleagues in the university stating the "trick of adding to the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years and for Keith's (maybe one of the fellow researchers) to hide the declining temperature."

Therefore in their reseach the earth's temperature is not warming but declining but they are adding numerical data to the real temperature to each series to hide the truth.

The scandal created by these climate change scientists is ignored by the mainstream or "lame" stream media because climate change or global warming whatever is correct... is an issue that cannot be controlled or reined in to go back from where it started. If we retrace the way on how world governments and the UN in particular were involved... it started simply with the issue of pollution.

During the 1960's Los Angeles is reputed to be the worst polluted city in the world. Environmental activists at that time were concerned only about the air pollution of their cities coming from the exhaust emitted by smoke belching vehicles. And they put the car industry
lobby as the one to blame for the failure of the US government to facilitate the city of Los Angeles an effecient system of transport like the commuter train. The issue about coal-fired power plant was not yet in their political agenda and it was yet way beyond their
expectation.

It was not until a NASA scientist named James Hansen who was researching on the atmosphere of the planet venus that the localize issue of air pollution was wholly politicized and centered the issue on climate change. He is a physicist and an astronomer and he found out that venus is enveloped by three layers of gas theorizing and concluding that these gases caused the hot environment of the planet. This conlusion is also the basis of his theory that the earth's
atmosphere due to exhaust emitted by vehicles and coal-fired power plants caused the earth to warm. He called the effect as anthropogenic which means that global warming is caused by human activities.

Whenever there are floods, hurricanes or earthquakes environmentalists see these as man-made disasters because they theorized this phenomenon as the effect of global warming. Our faith based principle that God is the cause of all natural things to happen is taboo in the mind of a
global warming activist because man has also the power to control the weather through the prevention in the burning of fossil fuel.

In the 1970's when James Hansen popularized his global warming theory many jumped in to take a ride on his bandwagon by creating among themselves political parties like the Green Party in Europe and Australia. NGO's sprouting to promote Hansen's theory like Greenpeace also surprised my inner thoughts how they can acquire ocean going vessels to harrass Japanese whalers in the high seas. There must be some philanthropist businessmen who are bankrolling their political activism. And like the early oil barons at the advent of the car industry Al Gore a politician turned businessman is traveling around the world preaching and capitalizing on the global warming hysteria to promote his business in carbon trading and solar cells. Jeff Immelt
the CEO of NBC and George Soros are also in the business of Solar panels.

They are out to bankrupt the oil and the coal industries and have hidden political agenda which is why the "lame" stream media who sympathizes with these new breed of eco-businessmen are totally ignoring the scandal happening at CRU in the University of East Anglia at London.

WN

Phil Jones stepped down today as director of CRU.

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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2009, 10:28:54 AM »
 A Review Of
'The Great Global Warming Swindle'

By S. Fred Singer, (Atmospheric Physicist)
March 19, 2007

Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth has met its match: a devastating documentary recently shown on British television, which has now been viewed by millions of people on the Internet. Despite its flamboyant title, The Great Global Warming Swindle is based on sound science and interviews with real climate scientists, including me. An Inconvenient Truth, on the other hand, is mostly an emotional presentation from a single politician.

The scientific arguments presented in The Great Global Warming Swindle can be stated quite briefly:

1. There is no proof that the current warming is caused by the rise of greenhouse gases from human activity. Ice core records from the past 650,000 years show that temperature increases have preceded—not resulted from—increases in CO2 by hundreds of years, suggesting that the warming of the oceans is an important source of the rise in atmospheric CO2. As the dominant greenhouse gas, water vapour is far, far more important than CO2. Dire predictions of future warming are based almost entirely on computer climate models, yet these models do not accurately understand the role or water vapor—and, in any case, water vapor is not within our control. Plus, computer models cannot account for the observed cooling of much of the past century (1940–75), nor for the observed patterns of warming—what we call the “fingerprints.” For example, the Antarctic is cooling while models predict warming. And where the models call for the middle atmosphere to warm faster than the surface, the observations show the exact opposite.

The best evidence supporting natural causes of temperature fluctuations are the changes in cloudiness, which correspond strongly with regular variations in solar activity. The current warming is likely part of a natural cycle of climate warming and cooling that’s been traced back almost a million years. It accounts for the Medieval Warm Period around 1100 A.D., when the Vikings settled Greenland and grew crops, and the Little Ice Age, from about 1400 to 1850 A.D., which brought severe winters and cold summers to Europe, with failed harvests, starvation, disease, and general misery. Attempts have been made to claim that the current warming is “unusual” using spurious analysis of tree rings and other proxy data. Advocates have tried to deny the existence of these historic climate swings and claim that the current warming is "unusual" by using spurious analysis of tree rings and other proxy data, resulting in the famous “hockey–stick” temperature graph. The hockey-stick graph has now been thoroughly discredited.

2. If the cause of warming is mostly natural, then there is little we can do about it. We cannot control the inconstant sun, the likely origin of most climate variability. None of the schemes for greenhouse gas reduction currently bandied about will do any good; they are all irrelevant, useless, and wildly expensive:

• Control of CO2 emissions, whether by rationing or elaborate cap–and–trade schemes

• Uneconomic “alternative” energy, such as ethanol and the impractical “hydrogen economy”

• Massive installations of wind turbines and solar collectors

• Proposed projects for the sequestration of CO2 from smokestacks or even from the atmosphere

Ironically, even if CO2 were responsible for the observed warming trend, all these schemes would be ineffective—unless we could persuade every nation, including China, to cut fuel use by 80 percent!

3. Finally, no one can show that a warmer climate would produce negative impacts overall. The much–feared rise in sea levels does not seem to depend on short–term temperature changes, as the rate of sea–level increases has been steady since the last ice age, 10,000 years ago. In fact, many economists argue that the opposite is more likely—that warming produces a net benefit, that it increases incomes and standards of living. Why do we assume that the present climate is the optimum? Surely, the chance of this must be vanishingly small, and the economic history of past climate warmings bear this out.

But the main message of The Great Global Warming Swindle is much broader. Why should we devote our scarce resources to what is essentially a non–problem, and ignore the real problems the world faces: hunger, disease, denial of human rights—not to mention the threats of terrorism and nuclear wars? And are we really prepared to deal with natural disasters; pandemics that can wipe out most of the human race, or even the impact of an asteroid, such as the one that wiped out the dinosaurs? Yet politicians and the elites throughout much of the world prefer to squander our limited resources to fashionable issues, rather than concentrate on real problems. Just consider the scary predictions emanating from supposedly responsible world figures: the chief scientist of Great Britain tells us that unless we insulate our houses and use more efficient light bulbs, the Antarctic will be the only habitable continent by 2100, with a few surviving breeding couples propagating the human race. Seriously!

I imagine that in the not–too–distant future all the hype will have died down, particularly if the climate should decide to cool—as it did during much of the past century; we should take note here that it has not warmed since 1998. Future generations will look back on the current madness and wonder what it was all about. They will have movies like An Inconvenient Truth and documentaries like The Great Global Warming Swindle to remind them.

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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2009, 10:29:39 AM »
Scientists advocating global warming who are unwilling to share their research in climate change to other scientists who might be having a different opinion from their data are now cornered eating their humble pie.

They are now exposed as hoaxers when thousands of their emails were hacked and leaked to
the media not the mainstream but Foxnews. The New York Times published it but other from the mainstream media like CNN, NBC, ABC or MSNBC keep a deafening silence about the climate change scandal. Foxnews reported that emails and documents from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University of London were hacked and revealed their anomalous activities. Their hacked emails revealed there is deceit, duplicity and collusion between climate researchers
to maintain the fraud of the manmade global warming theory.

Hacker leaks thousands of emails showing climate change scientists conspire to hide and blind the people about the truth on the real data on climate change. There will be a UN climate change conference in Copenhagen on December 9 and what would they say about the invented
change in the climate? Are these people attending the conference still be comfortable talking about the subject when the theory about climate change or global warming is exposed as a fraud?

Here is an example of one of the thousand of emails hacked and leaked to Foxnews:

From: Phil Jones
To: ray bradley, [email protected], [email protected]
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement

Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,

Once Tim's got the diagram here we'll send that later today or first thing tomorrow. I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline. Deleted....

Cheers
Phil

This email is from Phil Jones sent to his coleagues in the university stating the "trick of adding to the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years and for Keith's (maybe one of the fellow researchers) to hide the declining temperature."

Therefore in their reseach the earth's temperature is not warming but declining but they are adding numerical data to the real temperature to each series to hide the truth.

The scandal created by these climate change scientists is ignored by the mainstream or "lame" stream media because climate change or global warming whatever is correct... is an issue that cannot be controlled or reined in to go back from where it started. If we retrace the way on how world governments and the UN in particular were involved... it started simply with the issue of pollution.

During the 1960's Los Angeles is reputed to be the worst polluted city in the world. Environmental activists at that time were concerned only about the air pollution of their cities coming from the exhaust emitted by smoke belching vehicles. And they put the car industry
lobby as the one to blame for the failure of the US government to facilitate the city of Los Angeles an effecient system of transport like the commuter train. The issue about coal-fired power plant was not yet in their political agenda and it was yet way beyond their
expectation.

It was not until a NASA scientist named James Hansen who was researching on the atmosphere of the planet venus that the localize issue of air pollution was wholly politicized and centered the issue on climate change. He is a physicist and an astronomer and he found out that venus is enveloped by three layers of gas theorizing and concluding that these gases caused the hot environment of the planet. This conlusion is also the basis of his theory that the earth's
atmosphere due to exhaust emitted by vehicles and coal-fired power plants caused the earth to warm. He called the effect as anthropogenic which means that global warming is caused by human activities.

Whenever there are floods, hurricanes or earthquakes environmentalists see these as man-made disasters because they theorized this phenomenon as the effect of global warming. Our faith based principle that God is the cause of all natural things to happen is taboo in the mind of a
global warming activist because man has also the power to control the weather through the prevention in the burning of fossil fuel.

In the 1970's when James Hansen popularized his global warming theory many jumped in to take a ride on his bandwagon by creating among themselves political parties like the Green Party in Europe and Australia. NGO's sprouting to promote Hansen's theory like Greenpeace also surprised my inner thoughts how they can acquire ocean going vessels to harrass Japanese whalers in the high seas. There must be some philanthropist businessmen who are bankrolling their political activism. And like the early oil barons at the advent of the car industry Al Gore a politician turned businessman is traveling around the world preaching and capitalizing on the global warming hysteria to promote his business in carbon trading and solar cells. Jeff Immelt
the CEO of NBC and George Soros are also in the business of Solar panels.

They are out to bankrupt the oil and the coal industries and have hidden political agenda which is why the "lame" stream media who sympathizes with these new breed of eco-businessmen are totally ignoring the scandal happening at CRU in the University of East Anglia at London.

WN

Nabasa sad nako ni and I like the analysis here better pod... hmmmm.... intriguing pod!

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2009, 11:00:45 AM »
Mao ni akong statement sa pikas thread kung fact ba or political propaganda ra ang global warming.'
Yes its a political propaganda. ,It's about dictating you and me,through force of law,your mobility,diet,home energy use,the size of your house,how far you can travel, and even how many children you can have. Living green is really about someone else micro-regulating you,downsizing your dreams, and plugging each one of us into a brand new order for which we never bargain. It's about you living under the green thumb and having boundaries of your life drawn by others. Granted, no one wants unregulated pollution of the earth,sea,sky,but today's "global warming hysteria is a false crisis with dark agenda.It is a pretext of more government control into the details of our lives, it is where the grant money is for scientific research. This is about population control. Cut the population by 90 percent and there aren't enough people left to do great deal of ecological damage. Kita rabay hinungdan aning global warming mga tawo. Humans are carbon-producing machine. So mosugot mo ug pamatyon nalang ta aron masave ang kalibutan sa global warming kay kita rabay hinungdan ani.
Mao  ni lista sa gi proposal nga i ban to fight the so called man made global warming.
ban open fires and pot bellied stoves(patay di na ta kasugba ug buwad ani heheheh)
ban incandecent light bulbs(wa na gani  ni diri sa U.S)
ban bottled water
ban private cars from some areas pareha namo diri nga layo jamo so di mi ma ban ani pero katong naa sa city i ban na mo heheheh
ban plasma t.v
ban new airports(patay di na pwede ang panglao airport ani)
ban coal fired power generator
ban electric hot-water system
ban standby mode on appliances
ban vacationing by car(bisiklita pwede ug baklay pwede)
ban three days weekends
tax babies(di na ko manganak siguro)
tax big cars
tax supermarket parking area
tax holiday plane flight
tax showroom for big cars
eco- tax-for cars entering city
limit your choice of appliances
issue carbon credits for every person
dictate fuel effeciency standard

Of course by Green government they wanna control our life so that we will be force to reduce our so called carbon footprint which is the amount of carbon dioxide we allegedly produce by driving cars,using electricity,using  any sort of fossil fuel product,etc. If we use too much and our carbon footprints are too big,the green government will punish us or ration the amount of energy we are allowed to receive.


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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2009, 09:09:11 PM »
Nagkausab na jod diay ang kalibutan?

Usa ray ahong nakita nga nausab ani nga thread
ang kagwapa ni Sister Raqz sa ijang bag-o nga
photo. Hahahahaha.

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« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2009, 11:02:53 PM »
Mao ni akong statement sa pikas thread kung fact ba or political propaganda ra ang global warming.'
Yes its a political propaganda. ,It's about dictating you and me,through force of law,your mobility,diet,home energy use,the size of your house,how far you can travel, and even how many children you can have. Living green is really about someone else micro-regulating you,downsizing your dreams, and plugging each one of us into a brand new order for which we never bargain. It's about you living under the green thumb and having boundaries of your life drawn by others. Granted, no one wants unregulated pollution of the earth,sea,sky,but today's "global warming hysteria is a false crisis with dark agenda.It is a pretext of more government control into the details of our lives, it is where the grant money is for scientific research. This is about population control. Cut the population by 90 percent and there aren't enough people left to do great deal of ecological damage. Kita rabay hinungdan aning global warming mga tawo. Humans are carbon-producing machine. So mosugot mo ug pamatyon nalang ta aron masave ang kalibutan sa global warming kay kita rabay hinungdan ani.
Mao  ni lista sa gi proposal nga i ban to fight the so called man made global warming.
ban open fires and pot bellied stoves(patay di na ta kasugba ug buwad ani heheheh)
ban incandecent light bulbs(wa na gani  ni diri sa U.S)
ban bottled water
ban private cars from some areas pareha namo diri nga layo jamo so di mi ma ban ani pero katong naa sa city i ban na mo heheheh
ban plasma t.v
ban new airports(patay di na pwede ang panglao airport ani)
ban coal fired power generator
ban electric hot-water system
ban standby mode on appliances
ban vacationing by car(bisiklita pwede ug baklay pwede)
ban three days weekends
tax babies(di na ko manganak siguro)
tax big cars
tax supermarket parking area
tax holiday plane flight
tax showroom for big cars
eco- tax-for cars entering city
limit your choice of appliances
issue carbon credits for every person
dictate fuel effeciency standard

Of course by Green government they wanna control our life so that we will be force to reduce our so called carbon footprint which is the amount of carbon dioxide we allegedly produce by driving cars,using electricity,using  any sort of fossil fuel product,etc. If we use too much and our carbon footprints are too big,the green government will punish us or ration the amount of energy we are allowed to receive.



i really dont think there is something wrong with some of that. ang mga businesses man ang maguol ana di man kita mga comsumers.

Kel hinumdomi nga ang mga dagko nga businesses are owned by republicans, and the republicans are the ones fighting for that warming thing nga di tinuod.

Taas man ni nga explanation gud oi and i dont have much time to write kay mag workout pa ko hahah! sunod nalang sad.

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« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2009, 11:33:33 PM »
Dapat maguol pud tang mga consumer kay once daghan na i regulate sa mga dagkong business owner asa man na padung diri raman pud nato. Kitay magbago,maglukdo nga mga ordinaryong tawo. Yes affected jud ang mga oil businessman kay sila bitaw ang dako ug na contribute aning so called global warming.But dapat dili nato tanan i blame nila kay apil ta ing contribute. Kung dili ta mopalit na ug sakyanan,mga product gikan sa china,di na ta mag drive aw okey ra magdrive basta dili na 100 fuel ang gamit with e-85 ethanol na mobalik na ta sa kinaraang paagi pareha sa mga amish ba which okey kaayo pud ni para nako mao ni ma stop na nato ang greedy oil businessman.
Personally dapat thankful ko aning so called global warming kay sa tinuod lang nabulahan baya ang mga tawo like farmers ug mga businessman nga related sa environment ila business ani nga hysteria.Na triple ang price sa among grain product tungod ani so dagko baya ug ngisi ning mga tawo diri. We will keep producing ethanol para ma eliminate na ning crude ug oil gikan sa middle east.
Naa baya ni ripple effect natong mga tawo. Mao na siguro ni nga time nga ma eliminate ang 90 percent sa population sa kalibutan.Mosamot ang food shortage crisis kay tungod sa daghan regulation wa nay ganahan magtanum ug pagkaon. Di na ta pwede mokaon ug dili organic kay ug GMO makadaot ni nga pamaagi sa environment. Who cares para sa uban di ba? as long as we are following the money trail okey ra.


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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2009, 01:24:51 PM »
Wa koy hanaw ani na issue sa global warming - although mag basa2x pod panagsa - ug interesting baya pod. Maau sad points ni WN, pero of course, like most arguments nga akong mabasa one-sided ra pod (or say, an issue of "from whose perspective"). Just because it came from FoxNews motoo napod ta dayon. Pero maayo baya sad na analyses. Pero mao lagi, kay di man ta suheto ani, maminaw na lang ta. My one and only point is: ngano sige man ko kadungog nga unusual na ang high tide aning aformentioned islets ug ubang lugar sa Bohol nga akong nadunggan, pero ngano man lagi kung muadto kog Caingget para mag sawom2x, lajo naman ko kaayog lakwan usa pa makalangoy kay sige lang low tide (hunas). I'm talking about the last 10 years or so?!! Wa kaha motuyok ang kalibutan kay morag nausab naman ang gravity hehehe...

Ang bahalina kaha, wa ba mohunas o mohubas? Corella ba gehapon maayo o basin nibalhin napod ang agas sa laing parte sa Bohol?  ;D ;D ;D

Chicogon,

Dihay akong write-up nga tubag para ni Ric V. Obedencio sa iyang balita nga ang duha ka gagmay'ng isla nga gitawag ug Guindakpan ug Kalituban sa Bohol nasapo na kuno sa tubig dagat... nga ang boot pasabot nija nga tungod sa "global warming the sea level is rising". Ako jud sijang gitubag kay ako gatoo nga dili jud tinood nga ang ijang balita mahitungod sa global warming. Gipasangil pa sa mga sumusunod sa global warming nga ang kinaingnan kuno nganong hing-init ang atong kalibutan tungod kuno sa mga kalihokan sa tawo pananglit ang pagsunog ug uling, gas ug petrolyo.

Kining pagmantala ni Ric V. Obedencio mao ni gitawag ug "alarmist reporting" nga ug sa ato pa; pangpakurat ug paghadlok sa tawo labi na jud tong gapuyo sa isla Guindakpan ug Kalituban. Ug akoy taga isla nga ginganlan nija di ba ko magool? Asa man nako papuy-a ang akong mga anak ugma damlag ug maunlod na ang gamay nakong kalibutan? Kini si Ric V. Obedencio nag-abuso sa pagka way hanaw sa mga taga isla bahin sa isyu sa global warming.

Sa laing bahin moingon ka tingali nga gada ko ug balita dinhi nga gikan sa Foxnews ug matud mo nga; "tungod ba lang diay kay gikan sa Foxnews motoo na lang ta." Ang boot nakong pasabot nganong motoo ta kung gikan sa Foxnews tungod kay ang balita kontra niining global warming dili nimo masagap gikan sa mainstream media tungod pud kay kini sila nahi-apil sa kampo sa mga global warming advocates.

Dugang nga pangutana... Dis-a man gikan ang balita sa Foxnews bahin sa iskandalo sa global warming? Ang tubag nga gikan sa mga scientists sa Climatic Research Unit nga nahimutang diha sa University of East Anglia sa London diin ang mga email ngadto sa usa ka scientist sa Penn State University sa US nga naga-ingon nga maayo pagka "tikas" nila ang data sa global warming sukad pa sa tuig 1960. Ang ilang email hingsud sa email address sa usa ka scientist nga kontra sa ilang pagtan-aw sa climate change o global warming. Na-hack ug atong klarohon pagsulti.

Kadtong scientist nga nagpada ug email nga si Phil Jones nag-resign na kuno matud pa ni Grazie7y.

Usa pa... ang mga scientists nga kontra niining isyu nga ang tawo maoy hinungdan sa pag init sa kalibutan kini sila; they are being shut out in the debate about the global warming issue which is why we cannot read their opinions in the mainstream media. Scientists advocating the climate change are afraid to share information with them who are skeptical about the issue because they don't want them to know that they are manipulating the data about climate change or global warming. And also their plan of a world Socialism as stipulated by RaquelProud earlier will be divulge prematurely.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2009, 01:36:41 PM »
sumala pa ni Chicogon, mamati laman ta sa mga umaabut. Kay ug buot kwentahon ug moingon sad ta nga bugos ning tanan nga mga hungihong, mahimutang nga na ilad ang scandinavian, nordic ug european aning ilang pag pangandam?

mao bitaw nga mas maayo nga mag andam nalang ta kay sa magpaka buta bungol, kay basi naay maunlod sa kaulahian.

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« Reply #34 on: December 04, 2009, 02:06:52 PM »
sumala pa ni Chicogon, mamati laman ta sa mga umaabut. Kay ug buot kwentahon ug moingon sad ta nga bugos ning tanan nga mga hungihong, mahimutang nga na ilad ang scandinavian, nordic ug european aning ilang pag pangandam?

mao bitaw nga mas maayo nga mag andam nalang ta kay sa magpaka buta bungol, kay basi naay maunlod sa kaulahian.


Kining mga hu-hungihong bahin ining global warming that it is caused by man... wa ma-ilad ang mga Scandinavian countries sama sa Norway, Sweden ug Denmark kundi usa sila sa mga mangingilad. Ngano man? Tungod kay kini sila ang usa sa mga financiers ining global warming syndicate. Ang naghatag ug gi-gasto ining mga global warming scientists gikan sa mga leftist governments all over the world. Gilaliman ka nga makapalit ug barko nga mga icebreakers ning nag-research ini ug barko nga mogukod sa mga Japanese whalers sa Antarctica. Dis-a man ni sila ug kuarta kung mga actibista lang sila?

Kining leftist governments sa tibook kalibutan gusto nilang agawon ang tanang nasud sa pag pasunod sa usa lang ka Socialistang gobierno. Ang ilang numero uno nga kontra mao nang capitalist system sa America. Sa pagdaug ni Obama pagka presidente sa Amerika hingdaug dayon ug Nobel Peace Prize. Unsa may rason nga modaug si Obama? Wa... kundi ang dakong propaganda nga aniay tawo nga pareho lang nila ug prinsipyo sa pang-gobierno.

Mao ni akong gisuwat sa una nga "hidden political agenda" ug gitukib usab ni Raquel Proud unsaon nila pag pasunod sa mga tawo.

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« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2009, 02:49:47 PM »

Kining mga hu-hungihong bahin ining global warming that it is caused by man... wa ma-ilad ang mga Scandinavian countries sama sa Norway, Sweden ug Denmark kundi usa sila sa mga mangingilad. Ngano man? Tungod kay kini sila ang usa sa mga financiers ining global warming syndicate. Ang naghatag ug gi-gasto ining mga global warming scientists gikan sa mga leftist governments all over the world. Gilaliman ka nga makapalit ug barko nga mga icebreakers ning nag-research ini ug barko nga mogukod sa mga Japanese whalers sa Antarctica. Dis-a man ni sila ug kuarta kung mga actibista lang sila?

Kining leftist governments sa tibook kalibutan gusto nilang agawon ang tanang nasud sa pag pasunod sa usa lang ka Socialistang gobierno. Ang ilang numero uno nga kontra mao nang capitalist system sa America. Sa pagdaug ni Obama pagka presidente sa Amerika hingdaug dayon ug Nobel Peace Prize. Unsa may rason nga modaug si Obama? Wa... kundi ang dakong propaganda nga aniay tawo nga pareho lang nila ug prinsipyo sa pang-gobierno.

Mao ni akong gisuwat sa una nga "hidden political agenda" ug gitukib usab ni Raquel Proud unsaon nila pag pasunod sa mga tawo.

WN   

What scared you of socialism WN? why do you think we in america cant go through socialism like the health care? look how many people who dont have health care in America? compared to the Scandinavian? there are lots of poor americans who cant even afford  to take good care of their children. Look at the Scans and Nords and europeans and canadians, their government help them raised thier toddlers, eg they can hire baby sitters mao nangabut na silang ginger sa Norway ug asa pa na. Are we americans can afford baby sitters? NOPE. Ang gipanghadlok lang sa mga nagsabwag anang socialism nga preha ta sa cuba, tawon hadlok sad ang mga wa kabalo.

Anyway example ra ni sa socialism ako gi mention. I am not against how the other countries ran their government i still admired on how they took good care of their people. Pwera lang ang NKorea ug Cuba kay we can never be like them.

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Re: Disappearing Bohol Islet?
« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2009, 06:43:30 PM »
Socialism is not the answer sa mga problema. Ang story below makarelate ta ani nga gikan sa Pilipinas. "Socialism has bankrupted and failed every society, while capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system."

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Posted 09/10/2009 05:06 PM ET
 

In the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, I was taught to believe individual pursuits are selfish and sacrificing for the collective good is noble.
 

In kindergarten we sang songs about Lenin, the leader of the Socialist Revolution. In school we learned about the beautiful socialist system, where everybody is equal and everything is fair; about ugly capitalism, where people are exploited and treat each other like wolves in the wilderness.
 

Life in the USSR modeled the socialist ideal. God-based religion was suppressed and replaced with cultlike adoration for political figures.
 

The government-assigned salary of the proletariat (blue-collar worker) was 30%-50% higher than any professional. Without incentive to improve their life, professionals drank themselves to oblivion. They — engineers, lawyers, doctors, teachers — earned a government-determined salary that barely covered the necessities, mainly food.
 

Raising children was a hardship. It took four to six adults (parents and grandparents) to support a child. The usual size of the postwar family was one or two children. Every woman had the right to have an abortion and most of them did, often without anesthesia.
 

There is a comparative historical reality that plays out the consequences of two competing ideologies: life in the USSR and in America.
 

When the march to the worker's paradise — the Socialist Revolution — began in 1917, many people emigrated from Russia to the U.S.
 

In the USSR, economic equality was achieved by redistributing wealth, ensuring that everyone remained poor, with the exception of those doing the redistributing. Only the ruling class of communist leaders had access to special stores, medicine and accommodations that could compare to those in the West.
 

The rest of the citizenry had to deal with permanent shortages of food and other necessities, and had access to free but inferior, unsanitary and low-tech medical care. The egalitarian utopia of equality, achieved by the sacrifice of individual self-interest for the collective good, led to corruption, black markets, anger and envy.
 

Government-controlled health care destroyed human dignity.
 

Chairman Nikita Khrushchev released facts about Stalin and his purges. People learned of the horrific purge of more than 20 million citizens, murdered as enemies of the state.
 

Those who left Russia found a different set of values in America: freedom of religion, speech, individual pursuits, the right to private property and free enterprise. The majority of those immigrants achieved a better life for themselves and their children in this capitalist land.
 

These opportunities let the average immigrant live a better life than many elites in the Soviet Communist Party. The freedom to pursue personal self-interest led to prosperity. Prosperity generated charity, benefiting the collective good.
 

The descendants of those immigrants are now supporting policies that move America away from the values that gave so many immigrants the chance of a better life. Policies such as nationalized medicine, high tax rates and government intrusion into free enterprise are being sold to us under the socialistic motto of collective salvation.
 

Socialism has bankrupted and failed every society, while capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system.
 

There is no perfect society. There are no perfect people. Critics say that greed is the driving force of capitalism. My answer is that envy is the driving force of socialism. Change to socialism is not an improvement on the imperfections of the current system.
 

The slogans of "fairness and equality" sound better than the slogans of capitalism. But unlike at the beginning of the 20th century, when these slogans and ideas were yet to be tested, we have accumulated history and reality.
 

Today we can define the better system not by slogans, but by looking at the accumulated facts. We can compare which ideology leads to the most oppression and which brings the most opportunity.
 

When I came to America in 1980 and experienced life in this country, I thought it was fortunate that those living in the USSR did not know how unfortunate they were.
 

Now in 2009, I realize how unfortunate it is that many Americans do not understand how fortunate they are. They vote to give government more and more power without understanding the consequences.
 

Svetlana Kunin, Stamford, Conn.
 

Editor's note: Mrs. Kunin, an IBD subscriber, is a retired software developer. In the Soviet Union, she was a civil engineer.
 


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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2009, 05:14:07 AM »
Ms da binsi wrote:

"What scared you of socialism WN? why do you think we in america cant go through socialism like the health care? look how many people who dont have health care in America? compared to the Scandinavian? there are lots of poor americans who cant even afford  to take good care of their children. Look at the Scans and Nords and europeans and canadians, their government help them raised thier toddlers, eg they can hire baby sitters mao nangabut na silang ginger sa Norway ug asa pa na. Are we americans can afford baby sitters? NOPE. Ang gipanghadlok lang sa mga nagsabwag anang socialism nga preha ta sa cuba, tawon hadlok sad ang mga wa kabalo.

Anyway example ra ni sa socialism ako gi mention. I am not against how the other countries ran their government i still admired on how they took good care of their people. Pwera lang ang NKorea ug Cuba kay we can never be like them."

Tubag:

Kining imong idea maayo na pagka-tubag ni Raquelproud ngano dili gyud mogaya ang gobiernong socialismo ug ang mga Amerkano angay gyung mahadlok. Naa la'y gamay nakong idugang nga panghunahuna. Gatoo mang ka nga ang socialized HC mogaya sa America... unsaon man? Tan-awa na karon nganong high umemployment sa sud sa 26 anyos ang America. Tungod kadtong mga gagmay nga negosyante nga maoy naghimo ug mga trabaho sa tawo nagsira na sa ilang negosyo tungod sa kahadlok ining gitawag ug; "regime of high taxation". Mao ni giingon ni Raquelproud sa iyang thread. Kung ikompara nimo ang Amerika sa Sweden o sa Norway ba dili mahimo ang comparison pagka karon. Ngano man? Tungod kay sa Sweden pananglitan kumpleto nga ang gobierno nag-control sa tanang manufacturing plant ug mga nagosyo. 50% ang bayad sa buwis sa kada tawo. Pananglitan kana sila si Bjorn Borg ug Stefan Edberg ug kanang bag-ong tenista sa Sweden karon nga si Soderling wa maga puyo sa Sweden sila tungod nahadlok sila sa rehimen sa "high taxation". Kung kining sistemaha maoy gamiton sa Amerika dili pud kaha mahadlok ang mga negosyante? Aw... ang sampol ana mao nang unemployment nga 10.2% tungod kay wa manglihok ang mga negosyante.

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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2009, 07:28:23 AM »
Chicogon,

Dihay akong write-up nga tubag para ni Ric V. Obedencio sa iyang balita nga ang duha ka gagmay'ng isla nga gitawag ug Guindakpan ug Kalituban sa Bohol nasapo na kuno sa tubig dagat... nga ang boot pasabot nija nga tungod sa "global warming the sea level is rising". Ako jud sijang gitubag kay ako gatoo nga dili jud tinood nga ang ijang balita mahitungod sa global warming. Gipasangil pa sa mga sumusunod sa global warming nga ang kinaingnan kuno nganong hing-init ang atong kalibutan tungod kuno sa mga kalihokan sa tawo pananglit ang pagsunog ug uling, gas ug petrolyo.

Kining pagmantala ni Ric V. Obedencio mao ni gitawag ug "alarmist reporting" nga ug sa ato pa; pangpakurat ug paghadlok sa tawo labi na jud tong gapuyo sa isla Guindakpan ug Kalituban. Ug akoy taga isla nga ginganlan nija di ba ko magool? Asa man nako papuy-a ang akong mga anak ugma damlag ug maunlod na ang gamay nakong kalibutan? Kini si Ric V. Obedencio nag-abuso sa pagka way hanaw sa mga taga isla bahin sa isyu sa global warming.

Sa laing bahin moingon ka tingali nga gada ko ug balita dinhi nga gikan sa Foxnews ug matud mo nga; "tungod ba lang diay kay gikan sa Foxnews motoo na lang ta." Ang boot nakong pasabot nganong motoo ta kung gikan sa Foxnews tungod kay ang balita kontra niining global warming dili nimo masagap gikan sa mainstream media tungod pud kay kini sila nahi-apil sa kampo sa mga global warming advocates.

Dugang nga pangutana... Dis-a man gikan ang balita sa Foxnews bahin sa iskandalo sa global warming? Ang tubag nga gikan sa mga scientists sa Climatic Research Unit nga nahimutang diha sa University of East Anglia sa London diin ang mga email ngadto sa usa ka scientist sa Penn State University sa US nga naga-ingon nga maayo pagka "tikas" nila ang data sa global warming sukad pa sa tuig 1960. Ang ilang email hingsud sa email address sa usa ka scientist nga kontra sa ilang pagtan-aw sa climate change o global warming. Na-hack ug atong klarohon pagsulti.

Kadtong scientist nga nagpada ug email nga si Phil Jones nag-resign na kuno matud pa ni Grazie7y.

Usa pa... ang mga scientists nga kontra niining isyu nga ang tawo maoy hinungdan sa pag init sa kalibutan kini sila; they are being shut out in the debate about the global warming issue which is why we cannot read their opinions in the mainstream media. Scientists advocating the climate change are afraid to share information with them who are skeptical about the issue because they don't want them to know that they are manipulating the data about climate change or global warming. And also their plan of a world Socialism as stipulated by RaquelProud earlier will be divulge prematurely.

WN

Like I said nalingaw baya kog basa-basa sa inyong tubag-tubag deri. A lot of what u said make sense. Pero kining wa tay hanaw ani, maminaw sa lang jud ko ninyo. Interesting kaayo ug nakasabot ko sa dagan sa diskusyon. Lami na gajod iuyon sa imong mga gipang explain deri what with my "suspicious tendencies" laban sa powers that be ahihihi. Unsaon maning pawn raman ta sa ilang duwa nga chess... dali ra lipaton sa mga tigdumala sa dakong stage...  ;D

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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2009, 08:30:58 AM »
I really dont want to discuss those things diri kay sumala pa ni Chicogon, ilaha man na nga trabaho, bisan pa ug unsaon nato ug discuss diri we really dont know the whole thing kay gamay ra kaayo ang atong kaalam. Siguro ug naa pa ko ana nga katungdanan daghan jud ko nabaw-an. What you all said are all true. Basta ang ako lang ikasulti nga andam mi sa mga umaabut. Basta among kwarta hipusan lang sa ilawom sa among banig, wa jud gobyerno makabalo pila ni. Mag sicialismo man ug dili! hahahahha!

This thread  is all about preparing para di ta mahimong Katrina.

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