Please Yourself First

[junayag]

Our happiness likewise depends upon our ability to please at least ourselves in all things.  We can be happy only when we are living our lives in the very best way possible.  No one can define happiness for us.  Only us know what makes us happy.  Happiness is an inside job.

[hazel]

Very true, sir Jun. Being Happy is always a choice.

[Lorenzo]

Very true, Mr. Ayag. So eloquently said...

[junayag]

why I've posted this ... is to enlighten others who made excuses ... putting others as scapegoats to their miseries...

[ms da binsi]

Correct, Jun...

you cant please everyone...

[junayag]

 yes, we cannot... but it should not end there...we can move on to others who believe in us ...and maximize the potentials for that happiness...

[ms da binsi]

yes, we cannot... but it should not end there...we can move on to others who believe in us ...and maximize the potentials for that happiness...

correct...

[Happy]

Yes, happy is me

[junayag]

but why others cannot fathom what is best for them and work on that direction?

[hazel]

because their mind is occupied with jealousy and pride.

[ms da binsi]

must be confused???

angered?

jealous??

or just plain doesnt know what to do?

[Happy]

or maybe they don't contented of what they have and they want more

[junayag]

the obsession to outsmart and accummulate more does more harm than good...

[hazel]

people like that need a lot of time for self assessment. some doesn't know what they really want with their lives.

[ms da binsi]

and end up the person's senselessness, Jun

[junayag]

yes, when an obsession prevails ... that is extreme.... a moderation and down to humility is the best..

[Glen]

yes, when an obsession prevails ... that is extreme.... a moderation and down to humility is the best..

Very true Sir Jun.

[grazie7y]

moderation and down to humility - that's a good statement.  I have seen a lot of people who find it difficult to keep successes, for example, to moderation -some of us must have been one of them in past or at present.  It gives them pleasure to be on top of everything and to reach their goals no matter what it takes.  That's why I was thinking when I read the key words earlier mentioned - obsession, moderation and humility.  It seems possible to mix moderation and humility but hard to imagine being obsessive and being humble.

[ms da binsi]

hard to imagine being obsessive and being humble.




pak-pak-pak-pak gyud ko ana nimo Grazz..

[grazie7y]

Thanks, Belle! 

I see that word humble again.  I keep on pondering that word jud and I shared it in the other thread about humility.  There's a thin line between humility and being proud.  As I said, the trouble with humility is that you lost it the moment you even think you have it.  Help me guys na ato kining tukion! I really like the word humility.  When I think about humility, I think about Mother Theresa...

Good morning, tinker belle! hehehe

[hazel]

The word humility have different effects on different people. As they say, its a word that is seldom in neutral gear.

As for me, humility stands for modesty, lacking pretence and not believing that your are superior to others.

[grazie7y]

I like that Haze!  I really strive to be humble but I always fall short.  Sahay man gud when we express and assert our convictions, murag mahanaw ang humility. 

[junayag]

It is difficult to reconcile humility when we have excesses out of obsession for one...but we can remain humble even we have much.

[hazel]

So, the easiest way to achieve humility is to stop thinking about it?

And just do whatever your heart says...

[grazie7y]

Analysis Paralysis diay Haze! hahahah

I think humility should just flow naturally...

[hazel]

Right, Graz. If you're born with it, then it's always be with you.

[junayag]

everyone is saying it correctly... when one thinks of his successes, excesses and so on...they built a wall that separates you from the rest which is difficult for one to reach out to others... for reaching and sharing is humility...

[grazie7y]

I agree! reaching out to share your blessing to many and not expect anything in retun, that's one big thing a humble person can do.  Even if we don't have money, we can still share like our talent, visiting the sick, giving comfort to people who are sad.  I also strive to do corporal acts of mercy because I want to please God and there's no better way to please Him than to do good to mankind.

[junayag]

yes, we can manifest our love and our likeness to HIM through helping others... especially the distressed and destitutes...

[hazel]

It's not all about money, Graz. The important thing is you have made people happy.

[grazie7y]

Exactly!  Well, sometimes it's so difficult to please others but when we know what we are doing is pleasing God, we are good to go! 

[junayag]

when we spend time with others, listening and caring for their sorrows... that's a work of mercy.

[hazel]

so dokdoking here in TB is also a work of mercy? hahaha

[grazie7y]

ah that's subject to another kukabildo, haze!

[grazie7y]

poor or rich, we have so much to share with and do corporal acts of mercy and be pleasing to the eyes of God.

[hazel]

apil na ni graz sa kukabildo kay we laugh, we cry, we argue in front of the pc. that's sharing...

[grazie7y]

You know, when we do good to others, it's so humbling when they see it as God's blessing to them and we were just uses as messengers to get to them the blessings they yearned.

[hazel]

di ba nindot kaayo ang feeling after ana....

[junayag]

yes, any process that has something to do with learning for others and for ourselves... is an act of sharing, helping ... in other words " loving ".

kung wala tay pakialam sa uban, nganong magshare man ta? diba? but since, we have that belongingness in here in TB, mao nga dili nato hibaloan ang oras nga naglakaw, because we enjoy the company of each other though wala ta magkita personally, but our heart speaks.

[grazie7y]

because we learn a lot of things and from our learning here we share it to others without even knowing sometimes, and thus loving is conveyed. 

[hazel]

and that's what love is all about...giving.

[junayag]

and you cannot give love if you dont know how to love...you cannot give happiness if you're not happy... you cannot give antyhing when you dont have any... as such when it overflows... there is joy in giving...

[ms da binsi]

Jun tinuod gyud na...

[hazel]

i love you all!

[junayag]

hope that by knowing ourself and of others... our strengths, weaknesses, we will learn to love each other as part of a happy one family....

[grazie7y]

I say Amen to that Jun.  When I was reading the recent posts we had, the song - I don't know who sang this song but I kept thinking this line:  Sana'y pag-ibig na lang ang isipin ng bawat isa sa mundo, sana'y laging magbigayan, sana'y laging magmahalan...

[Glen]

Grace nice avatar snow man lagi na asa man ka ana?

[grazie7y]

sa Lake Tahoe na sya, Glen.  Ali, adto ta!

[junayag]

grazie, that's a nice lyric"sanay pag-ibig nalang ang isipin ng bawat isa sa mundo".am so touched, and hoping everybody would be touched...

[grazie7y]

thanks, jun!  lagi ba, why do we choose to hate instead of love each other? why do we opt to fight instead of having peace and harmony? 

[junayag]

kanindot no kung ang tanang tawo maoy sulod ang gugma sa ilang dughan??

[ms da binsi]

it could make the world a better place to live Jun...

[junayag]

but it is not the trend that it is going...moving... more conflicts exist, they've changed the perspective of loving... just look for those suicide bombers... how could you reconcile loving themselves and have that courage to inflict pain to others through loving their own life....by ending.

[grazie7y]

I'd say it's stupidity or maybe misguided ideology!  I still can't fathom the thought that these suicide bombers actually believe that they are secured of space in heaven (note:  we also have heaven thread) if they kill themselves, bringing with them innocent people - young and old and leaving behind distruction of properties and most importantly distruction of lives of the families left behind?  What do they think their God is?  A sadist?  It's only God who has the complete volition of our lives and not suicide bombers or bad elements who kill people.



 

[junayag]

mao bitaw nga lisod dawaton ang ilang pagtoo...? but what they're doing is pleasing themselves? or pleasing their masters? speculated that they're coerced...

[grazie7y]

I need to understand jud, Jun!  Unsa pa man coersion na either way, mamatay man gihapon sila if in case gi threaten sila na patyon if dili mag agree to be a suicide bomber.  At least, if patyon sila, dili sila ang criminal and they will be accepted by God unlike na sila ang mamamatay tao!

[hazel]

sayop man ilang belief even if they thought about there religion.

[junayag]

coercion might involved other parties in the family (kadtong mabilin), I believed na duna say monetary rewards gibilin sa ilang nahibilin nga miembro sa banay...could not reconcile if the sole reason is loving their own life...nga tua sigurado sa heaven?...

[grazie7y]

still, the end does not justify the means but I doubt jud that's anywhere closer to what is acceptable to God.  Very distorted na kaayo ilang beliefs.

[junayag]

it is fanaticism...of corrupted belief.. but still that is another aspect of pleasing oneself?

[grazie7y]

it's amazing at what length people do to please oneself or some other people. 

[junayag]

really.... but they don't deserved to be emulated...

[grazie7y]

of course!  I feel so bad for these young people who are still gullible.  They can easily be brainwashed. 

[junayag]

but this is only true to the rapidly growing religion? and not with our tribe...

[hazel]

nganong kamo ra man duha dire nag kukabildo?

religion can be very confusing to other people especially if they lack faith.

[grazie7y]

is Islam a rapidly growing religion? Oh my!  you are right!

[junayag]

yes, gisulti pa gyod nimo.......there are some fallacies of what is happening....

[grazie7y]

hahahah sorry po!

Is that really about their religion or their distorted understanding of their religion or some leaders not necessarily related to religion?

[junayag]

the bottom line of our discussion now is.... whatever belief you have is in line with your conviction that give meaning to you, thereby pleasing oneself...

[ms da binsi]

i just want to share this to you guys...


part I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXT8vP4TshY


part II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gese3ucXdY8

[junayag]

Moraility Without God??? I do believe that every human being has its own God, how he dwell on his belief even saying without God is not true at all...we all believe that there is a Creator...

[grazie7y]

Moraility Without God??? I do believe that every human being has its own God, how he dwell on his belief even saying without God is not true at all...we all believe that there is a Creator...

Jun, I believe that not all people believe there is a Creator at all - either they are brought up that way or they are too smart to accept that there is one Divine God who is responsible in creating the universe.  It is so difficult to argue on this to people because they are not out there to listen but to make you believe what they believed in. My brother in law here has a friend who is an atheist (Michael Newdow).  At one time, we were to see in one party and they were kind of excited and yes, I was excited too because I was gonna tell him, God bless you!  But he didn't show  up in the party...

I viewed the youtube that ms da binsi shared - just the first part. I have to admit that the guy pointed some issue that sound so believable. He was trying to selectively choose bible scriptures that can negate the churchs' teachings.  There was one question though that he raised that made me wonder.  He said, which God to choose?  Do you believe that "every human being has it's own God"?  As Catholics, we do believe in the Trinity but the bottomline is there's only one Creator and my understanding is God the Father is the Creator. Whatever religion we believe in, we are all children of one Creator.  We may call him Daddy and others call him Tatay or Papa or their first name but he is one and the same father.  Am I wrong, Jun? 

They said that religion for a topic is a bottomless pit...

[ms da binsi]

 

[grazie7y]

hhahahah got yeah, belle!

[Scarb]

if we are contented in every things we have in life..
we are then happy..in dat matter we please ourselves...

[junayag]

you're on the loop BlueAngel...when one reaches happiness, gratification... it is pleasing oneself...by then you could give happiness to others...

grazie... you are correct in saying that the Creator every man looked up to is his God, regardless of whoever and whatever...it is his faith that built the religion to himself... I don't believe on full-bloodied-aethiest...for am sure in his lifetime even for a millisecond, he/she had called and thanked some one when some thing matters to his / her life...

[glacier_71]

i like this thread...maybe some of you, who were previously in this topic, would want to revive your discussion.

[hofelina]

yes, I would love to but as mother of 2 kids  my children has my priorities. I can´t imagine meeting friends enjoying parties and I´m not sure if they are at home , have eaten well and okay.

[Lorenzo]

Thanks for resurrecting this thread, pare.

[glacier_71]

"Nemo dat quod non habit" (You cannot give what you don't have.)

If this life has meaning, i must first discover it from ME.
What drives me to happiness is when I first feel I am loved by ME.
i love you because i love me.

[lalyoo]

Yap bai Jun saktoha jud nimu?? as for me i choose to be happy maski we are in the midst of these crazy global crissis because i have a Great GOD which is super bigger and supper powerful than the problems around.. sulong Bolanon!!!

[glacier_71]

Yap bai Jun saktoha jud nimu?? as for me i choose to be happy maski we are in the midst of these crazy global crissis because i have a Great GOD which is super bigger and supper powerful than the problems around.. sulong Bolanon!!!

welcome bay lalyoo...maayong pag-abot.