Who vs. Whom

[hazel]

You should use "whom" anytime you could answer the question with "him" .This is easy to remember because both words end with m.

Example: Whom do we need to thank?
              We need to thank him.

Example: Who is on the show next?
             He will be on the show.

[Happy]

Can't we use whom if we refer to a woman?

[hazel]

Can't we use whom if we refer to a woman?

Good question, Haps. The rules says, you will use it when you answer the question with him.

I don't think you can use it with her, it would be redundant.

Well, I'm not a grammar expert. LOL!

Why don't we ask lumine....luminnnnnnnnnnnnnnne

[Happy]

mao gani no, kay mosuwat raba ta ug, To whom it may concern hehe.

Inseeee help!

[hazel]

aw! hahahaha lahi na nang storyaha kay general man so male gender gyud ang gamiton.

ang kanang example kay kung mag himo ra man ka ug sentence.

[Happy]

Na basta kay naglibog ko..

Kung babae diay ang ako tubag sa whom hahaha.. wana nisamot na kalibog ang ako utok..

[hazel]

aron di ka maglibog. ayaw na lang gamit ug whom.

ang imo nalang hinumduman nga whom para ra na sa laki. WHO nalang permi gamit, either male or female para safe.

ayaw na huna-huna kay libog na raba ka daan. hahahaha

[Happy]

hahaha ok madam, salamat kaayo

[grazie7y]

paging maam inse lumine! I will wait to be corrected by an english titser but my guess is that, yes you can use whom when referring to a female, in that case, her.  pastilan, dili jud ta kapasar sa show na "Are you smarter than a 5th grader!"

[C2H4]

Hahaha!

Miss grazie, I love that show!

If I went back to 5th grade right now, I'd totally fail.

[grazie7y]

Me too, C2, me too!  I will never join that show because for sure I will just be humiliated big time! ahahahha

[lumine]

Can't we use whom if we refer to a woman?

we can.

[lumine]

According to the American Heritage Book of English Usage, "Who is used for a grammatical subject, where a nominative pronoun such as I or he would be appropriate, and whom is used as the object of a verb or preposition."


The Blue Book of Grammar and Punctuation offers this helpful tip: if you can replace a word with "he" or "she," then it is the subject of the sentence and you should use "who." If you can replace the word with "him" or "her," it is the object and you should use "whom." You might need to rephrase the sentence to make this work.


This technique of substituting a personal pronoun for the relative pronoun works nicely whenever you have difficulty deciding whether to use “who” or “whom,” assuming that you have no difficulty using the proper form of personal pronouns. 

    Even when the word order must be altered slightly, you can use the technique: 


    Mrs. Dimwit consulted an astrologer whom she met in Seattle. (She met him in Seattle.) 

    Jones is the man whom  I went fishing with last spring. (I went fishing with him.) 

    Joyce is the girl who  got the job. (She got the job.) 

    Whom can we turn to in a time of crisis? (Can we turn to her?)


source: google

[Happy]

ok ma'am inse, thanks

paging maam inse lumine! I will wait to be corrected by an english titser but my guess is that, yes you can use whom when referring to a female, in that case, her.  pastilan, dili jud ta kapasar sa show na "Are you smarter than a 5th grader!"

daghan na ta hagbong ani graz haha

[lumine]

hay gimingaw na lang noon ko sa akong pagkateacher. 

[lumine]

naay exercise about the use of who and whom and whose sad diay. just click the link.

http://www.englishpage.com/minitutorials/who_whom_1.htm

[grazie7y]

thanks, maam titser!  the last sentence, whom can we turn to in times of crisis, i always hear this question but in most times they (maybe including me hehehehe) use who instead of whom.  there's even a song ringing to my ears right now that has a line "who can i turn to..." but wala na sumpay heheeh

[Happy]

naay exercise about the use of who and whom and whose sad diay. just click the link.

http://www.englishpage.com/minitutorials/who_whom_1.htm

thanks ma'am Inse, I will check on this

[Happy]

wrong intawon ko usa hehehe ang number 2 lol

[lumine]

wrong intawon ko usa hehehe ang number 2 lol

ok ra diay, cel!

[ben]

This one confuses many a native English speaker 

I was taught a similar trick to imagining the sentence with 'him' or 'he'.  You can alternatively use 'them' or 'they', then it works for plurals too.

    Mrs. Dimwit consulted an astrologer whom she met in Seattle. (She met them in Seattle.)

    Jones is the man whom I went fishing with last spring. (I went fishing with them.)

    Joyce is the girl who got the job. (They got the job.)

    Whom can we turn to in a time of crisis? (Can we turn to them?)

[Happy]

    Joyce is the girl who got the job. (They got the job.)

Ben, why used they, when Joyce is just one person? Is they, refering to Joyce or others?

[lumine]

Ben, why used they, when Joyce is just one person? Is they, refering to Joyce or others?

cel, ben was citing the use of "they" and "them". to quote, he wrote, "I was taught a similar trick to imagining the sentence with 'him' or 'he'.  You can alternatively use 'them' or 'they', then it works for plurals too.

[hazel]

Ben, why used they, when Joyce is just one person? Is they, refering to Joyce or others?

hahaha nisamot ka libog..

sorry guys, ako raba nag start ani nga post.

[grazie7y]

Hahahahha

Ben is so good Ginger in reliving a dying thread so he added another examples to trigger more discussions!  Well, if we got confused, that means we still need to understand more the issue. It's amazing how a seemingly easy topic can cause confusion to us hahahah!

[ben]

haha am i guilty of digging up an ancient thread?

If this topic confused you then don't worry.  Most of my countrymen don't know the who/whom rule anyway.

[grazie7y]

No, Ben, it's okay; we are all having fun here!  at least we are still on the same topic. hahahaha you have seen how some threads started and ended in an unrelated topic. But I think everybody's cool here!

[Happy]

hahaha nisamot ka libog..

sorry guys, ako raba nag start ani nga post.

haha dili nalang nako huna hunaon oi aron dili ko malibog lol

[lumine]

kanumdom na lang ko sa ako teaching days na ganahan ko magpalibog sa ako mga students coz i know man sad how to unravel their confusion,

i like them to think,dili kay cge dawat lang sa info.

[Happy]

sakto sab na inse, para maka learn pud sila how to find the answer.

[grazie7y]

So see Ben you are helping us actually who are still confused about the issue! hahahahah

[ben]

maybe it's an obvious trick - but I remember how it works by looking for the last letter m

ie. Them / Him => Whom
and therefore They / He => Who

[John]

To choose correctly among the forms of who, re-phrase the sentence so you choose between he and him. If you want him, write whom; if you want he, write who.

Who do you think is responsible? (Do you think he is responsible?)
Whom shall we ask to the party? (Shall we ask him to the party?)
Give the box to whomever you please. (Give the box to him.)
Give the box to whoever seems to want it most. (He seems to want it most. [And then the clause "whoever seems to want it most" is the object of the preposition "to."])
Whoever shows up first will win the prize. (He shows up first.)

[C2H4]

Kuyawa aning Ashton oi,

karon pa ko nga linguistics expert man diay ni siya