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Started by U.S. of America, January 21, 2010, 12:55:35 PM

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ms da binsi

i dont wear bras when im on a cocktail dress. there are stickers you can buy anywhere to minimize the flaunting tits.

Raquelproud boholana

Nubra, adhesive silicon bra mao na ni uso.
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hofelina

I don´t wear bra most of the time.
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ms da binsi

oh see??? old school na ang bra! hahahahahha!

glacier_71

panggi bra mo oy, kay lain nang maglakaw nya gatabyogtabyog...hahahaha
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estaRiray

dli man magtabyog-tabyog...steady mode man sha bisan ala bra^^

ms da binsi

unsa man mi diri mga tiguwang??? wahahahhah!

estaRiray


Raquelproud boholana

In life, never look down on anybody, unless you are getting a lovely view of the cleavage!

A girl is said to be grown up when she starts wearing a bra. A boy is grown up when he starts removing it. Maayo ning naay bra kay naay hubuon heheheh.
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hofelina

kining akong bahandi nag-kontesay kon kinsa ang makauna padolong sa tohod! ;D ;D ;D
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glacier_71

Quote from: estaRiray on January 24, 2010, 08:16:29 AM
dli man magtabyog-tabyog...steady mode man sha bisan ala bra^^

nah, ug dako kaayo ug yatyat na, mura baya'g naay kapayas kahugon nga gitabyogtabyog sa hangin..whahahaha. 
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bugsay

Quote from: glacier_71 on January 25, 2010, 07:42:55 AM
nah, ug dako kaayo ug yatyat na, mura baya'g naay kapayas kahugon nga gitabyogtabyog sa hangin..whahahaha. 

isagbay lang sa abaga!! 8) ??? ;D
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glacier_71

Quote from: bugsay on January 25, 2010, 08:48:21 AM
isagbay lang sa abaga!! 8) ??? ;D

whahahaha...grabe na pod nang isagbay. bisan na lang gud og isab-it sa ilok.
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glacier_71

Quote from: hofelina on January 24, 2010, 03:21:14 PM
kining akong bahandi nag-kontesay kon kinsa ang makauna padolong sa tohod! ;D ;D ;D

hhahahahaha...ginoo ko. tawn.
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Chongki


glacier_71

Artificial Intelligence is nothing in comparison to Natural Stupidity.

Chongki

Quote from: glacier_71 on January 25, 2010, 08:56:49 AM
tig-gamit pod kag bra, nat?

sometimes bai glace ..... kanang mag role playing mi  :) ;D :D hehehehehehe

ms da binsi


hofelina

Dili nako mag-bra apan akong lipstick-an ang akong mga nipples, they still look cute. ha ha ha
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bugsay

Quote from: hofelina on January 25, 2010, 03:21:11 PM
Dili nako mag-bra apan akong lipstick-an ang akong mga nipples, they still look cute. ha ha ha

way strawberry flavored nga lipstick, Manay?.....not just cute but also tasty. ;D
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Chongki

with matching hershey's syrup ...... mmmmmmm  ;D

taga tigbao

Quote from: hofelina on January 24, 2010, 03:21:14 PM
kining akong bahandi nag-kontesay kon kinsa ang makauna padolong sa tohod! ;D ;D ;D

Wahahahahahahaha. Kamuot nimo Manay. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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bugsay

ahhhh...ihuwad nalang deretso sa cleavage... ;D..aron omigason...bwahahahaha
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hofelina

this was actually a trick used by lady spies to a get infos they needed. ang utok sa laki kay ma mentally block, adto man tanan sa laing lugar molanding!
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ms da binsi

hahahahha! it has been proven! mga laki sigi horney! hwahahha!

hofelina

in my younger years, mag-bra ko kon maligo sa dagat, kay wa jamo koy bathing suit. Ngano man kadto sa una , jeans ug t-shirt maligo sa dagat.
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glacier_71

Quote from: hofelina on January 26, 2010, 03:15:28 AM
in my younger years, mag-bra ko kon maligo sa dagat, kay wa jamo koy bathing suit. Ngano man kadto sa una , jeans ug t-shirt maligo sa dagat.

may na lang na, manay, kaysa kadala ka'g kabo ug nanablig sa imong kaugalingon daplin sa dagat. hahahahhaa
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lgbluer

wow...uso na d i ron ang walay bra???oh no....vitamins sa mata

bolingitboy

"wow...uso na d i ron ang walay bra???oh no....vitamins sa mata"

it's not only a matter of use... health authorities have reported that regular wearing of a bra contributes to the development of breast cancer. so, the less women wear a bra the less risk they have to acquire breast cancer.

bol-anon nga cebuano

maayo pa ug mag wear nalang ug cupless bra. murag nag bra tinuod pero exposed ang yotots. relax pa kaayo paminawon siguro.
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hubag bohol

Quote from: bolingitboy on March 11, 2010, 10:20:04 PM
"wow...uso na d i ron ang walay bra???oh no....vitamins sa mata"

it's not only a matter of use... health authorities have reported that regular wearing of a bra contributes to the development of breast cancer. so, the less women wear a bra the less risk they have to acquire breast cancer.

How about vaginal cancer? ;D
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bugsay

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 08:51:38 PM
How about vaginal cancer? ;D

di na mag panty? ;D

band aid nalang...
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hubag bohol

Quote from: juana on March 14, 2010, 08:58:22 PM
naa na bay vaginal cancer?
Kinsa, si Bay Bugs? Bwahaha. ;D
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bugsay

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hubag bohol

Quote from: bugsay on March 14, 2010, 08:58:16 PM
di na mag panty? ;D

band aid nalang...

Aw, kon band aid ang gamiton, and resulta clitoral cancer, bwahaha! ;D
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hubag bohol

Quote from: bugsay on March 14, 2010, 09:06:14 PM
bisongan diay...hehehe

Naay vaginal cancer ang imong simod, Bay Bugs, bwahaha. ;D
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bugsay

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 14, 2010, 09:08:27 PM
Naay vaginal cancer ang imong simod, Bay Bugs, bwahaha. ;D

ang utok...kay sige lang hunahuna... ;D
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hubag bohol

Quote from: bugsay on March 14, 2010, 09:13:55 PM
ang utok...kay sige lang hunahuna... ;D

He he, kujaw diay nga mobuhagay ang utok... ;D
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ms da binsi

Most French women dont wear bras. Way gasto. Wish i can do that! mura man ug haw-ang!

hubag bohol

I recall reading that at the height of women's lib, libbers would take off their shirts on a hot day like men do. Of course, no bra. ;D
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hubag bohol

Quote from: nat-cast on March 15, 2010, 05:53:35 PM
i hate them ;D

You hate them kay bra ray gitangtang, wa apila ang panti? ;D
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Chongki

bay hubs i prefer nag bra pero walay panty ;D

hubag bohol

Quote from: nat-cast on March 15, 2010, 06:01:17 PM
bay hubs i prefer nag bra pero walay panty ;D

Ato kahang pangutan-on imong Klasmet kon asa siya comfortable... ;D

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Lollapalooza

i don't wear bra and panty whenever i go to sleep LOL (igangan ko) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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hubag bohol

Quote from: Lollapalooza on March 15, 2010, 06:12:17 PM
i don't wear bra and panty whenever i go to sleep LOL (igangan ko) ;D ;D ;D ;D

Kanay practical! Sleeping naked! ;D
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Lollapalooza

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Kanay practical! Sleeping naked! ;D

bwahahaha.....honestly, sometimes lang oi...loose t-shirt akong ginasuot and no bra and panty... ;D ;D ;D ;D
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islander

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 06:22:30 PM
Kanay practical! Sleeping naked! ;D

practical pod ka, hubs?  basin dunay egg cancer? ::)
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hubag bohol

Quote from: Lollapalooza on March 15, 2010, 06:24:50 PM
bwahahaha.....honestly, sometimes lang oi...loose t-shirt akong ginasuot and no bra and panty... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Unja, para fresh air, ablihan ang bintana... ;D
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hubag bohol

Quote from: islander on March 15, 2010, 06:30:41 PM
practical pod ka, hubs?  basin dunay egg cancer? ::)

Dili, oi. conservative ko. Mag long johns ko matulog... ;D
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Lollapalooza

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 06:36:14 PM
Unja, para fresh air, ablihan ang bintana... ;D

nyahahaha....mao gani ingon ana kay wa gyud bintana akong kwarto ug ambot nganong wa patubangi sa akong amahan ug bintana
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hubag bohol

Quote from: Lollapalooza on March 15, 2010, 06:44:45 PM
nyahahaha....mao gani ingon ana kay wa gyud bintana akong kwarto ug ambot nganong wa patubangi sa akong amahan ug bintana

Oi, dili diay ka pwede haranaan. Sabagay, wa nay harana2 ron, deretso na, he he he. ;D
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hubag bohol

Kini pud si Ms. Islander, malagmit naked ni matulog except for her beanie... ;D
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ms da binsi

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 06:05:44 PM
Ato kahang pangutan-on imong Klasmet kon asa siya comfortable... ;D



as a swimmer ug naa sa usa mawa, maajo wa nalang tanan... hahahaha!

ms da binsi

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
Kini pud si Ms. Islander, malagmit naked ni matulog except for her beanie... ;D


ako kaha na suwayan! hahahahha!

bol-anon nga cebuano

Quote from: Lollapalooza on March 15, 2010, 06:24:50 PM
bwahahaha.....honestly, sometimes lang oi...loose t-shirt akong ginasuot and no bra and panty... ;D ;D ;D ;D
akong asawa di mokompyansa ug mag ing ani ra. kay siguradong taroyan jud dayon.
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Quote from: Lollapalooza on March 15, 2010, 06:44:45 PM
nyahahaha....mao gani ingon ana kay wa gyud bintana akong kwarto ug ambot nganong wa patubangi sa akong amahan ug bintana
gituyo na sa imong papa kay kahibaw siyang di ka magbra ug panty matulog. basin mabuhotan ka este panuhotan diay.
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hubag bohol

Quote from: bol-anon nga cebuano on March 16, 2010, 01:37:47 AM
akong asawa di mokompyansa ug mag ing ani ra. kay siguradong taroyan jud dayon.

Bwahaha, sa ato pa, kon way underwear, kahibawo na kag unsay gipangayo ug unsay imong buluhaton! ;D
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Lollapalooza

Quote from: bol-anon nga cebuano on March 16, 2010, 01:39:46 AM
gituyo na sa imong papa kay kahibaw siyang di ka magbra ug panty matulog. basin mabuhotan ka este panuhotan diay.

ngek....sus kung mahibaw-an sa akong papa nga ingon ana ko matulog, for sure masuko to  sya... masuko man gani siya magsuot ko ug spaghetti strap nga blouse kay nagdala daw na ug "come here" ;D ;D ;D ;D
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vrglguapo

Mag knickers jud ug matulog sa ato kay daghan insectos basin ug sudlan ug ok-ok ang vagina hala jud..

hubag bohol

Quote from: vrglguapo on March 16, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
Mag knickers jud ug matulog sa ato kay daghan insectos basin ug sudlan ug ok-ok ang vagina hala jud..

Ngano diay, masaypan nga spoiled food? Bwahaha. ;D

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Quote from: hubag bohol on March 16, 2010, 10:31:59 AM
Bwahaha, sa ato pa, kon way underwear, kahibawo na kag unsay gipangayo ug unsay imong buluhaton! ;D
korek, labina ug bag-ong ligo before matug.
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islander

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 15, 2010, 08:32:58 PM
Kini pud si Ms. Islander, malagmit naked ni matulog except for her beanie... ;D

usahay, kun damanon.  at least naman, my beanie is so useful.  mahimo nakong idali ug tabon sa akong nawong in case modagan ko nga naked pagawas sa balay kun maglinog (simbako lang) ug nawa na ang akong usual rasta clothes kay nasaypan diay ug sul-ob sa akong pares.   
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hubag bohol

Quote from: islander on March 18, 2010, 01:00:53 PM
usahay, kun damanon.  at least naman, my beanie is so useful.  mahimo nakong idali ug tabon sa akong nawong in case modagan ko nga naked pagawas sa balay kun maglinog (simbako lang) ug nawa na ang akong usual rasta clothes kay nasaypan diay ug sul-ob sa akong pares.   

Nawong jud ang unahon pagtabon?

Did I get it right? Mag-unag karatil imong pares, Ms. Isle? Puti diayg itlog! Bwahaha. ;D
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vhinz08

nganong dili man mo mag bra mga girls? unsay rason?
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bol-anon nga cebuano

mag cupless bra nalang mo.
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Quote from: Lollapalooza on March 15, 2010, 06:12:17 PM
i don't wear bra and panty whenever i go to sleep LOL (igangan ko) ;D ;D ;D ;D

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islander

Quote from: hubag bohol on March 18, 2010, 02:27:26 PM
Nawong jud ang unahon pagtabon?

Did I get it right? Mag-unag karatil imong pares, Ms. Isle? Puti diayg itlog! Bwahaha. ;D

di man hinoon mag-unag karatil tingali kay daghan pa man siyag salbaronon, sama sa ijang mga botelya.  nagbasin-basin lang kog masipjatan lang nijag sul-ob ang akong rasta clothes.  mora bag plan a, b, ug c, matod pa.

makahahadlok pod ang itlog nga itom, bai hubs.  abi pa lang, type ko ang century eggs. ;D
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one more reason why a bra, strapless or not, is not safe. ;D
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luckybelle

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Bras and Breast Cancer
by Ralph L. Reed, Ph.D.

    Although I am an environmental chemist (Ph.D in biochemistry), I have been doing a lot of literature research on breast cancer since I saw an article on the National Library of Medicine database over a year ago. That article documented an increase in breast cancer rates between women who do wear bras versus those that do not.

    That Harvard study fascinated me and I searched the medical literature for possible explanations. In January 1996, I discovered the book by Singer and Grismaijer and their explanation of impaired lymphatic flow intrigued me. I have since read everything that I can find on lymphatic flow. What I have found has amazed me, but that is another story. I can supply you with lots of info if you like. In essence, what Singer and Grismaijer found was that the odds of getting breast cancer dramatically increased with bra-wearing over 12 hours per day.

        * Women who wore their bras 24 hours per day had a 3 out of 4 chance of developing breast cancer (in their study, n=2056 for the cancer group and n=2674 for the standard group).
        * Women who wore bras more than 12 hour per day but not to bed had a 1 out of 7 risk.
        * Women who wore their bras less than 12 hours per day had a 1 out of 152 risk.
        * Women who wore bras rarely or never had a 1 out of 168 chance of getting breast cancer. The overall difference between 24 hour wearing and not at all was a 125-fold difference.

    The results of this study are compelling, even considering that it was not a "controlled study" for other risk factors. Bear in mind that known (published in medical journals) risk factors for breast cancer are mostly in the range of less than three-fold differences. It should also be noted that Singer and Grismaijer surveyed bra-wearing behavior of the past, which is excellent for a disease with such a long development period. In their book, the authors show how most of the known risk factors can be related to bra-wearing behavior and/or the lymphatic system.

    For example, breast feeding and pregnancy cause full development of the mammary lymphatics. Also, women of higher economic status have higher breast cancer rates, and one would expect that they would wear their bras more hours per day. Women who excercise have lower risk, which could relate to better lymphatic circulation (and I would add, more breast movement).

    To this discussion, I would like to add that lymphatic circulation in many tissues (especially the primary lymphatics) are highly dependent on MOVEMENT. When you sit for a long time on an airplane flight, your feet and ankles can swell, because lymphatic circulation goes to near zero. Wearing a bra, especially a constricting one with underwires, and especially to bed, prevents normal lymphatic flow and would likely lead to anoxia (lower than normal oxygen content), which has been related to fibrosis, which has been linked to increased cancer risk.

    Women evolved under conditions where there was BREAST MOVEMENT with every step that they took when they walked or ran. My reading of the scientific literature about lymphatic flow shows me that this may be as important as the constriction factor. Every subtle bounce of the breast while moving, walking, running, etc. gently massages the breast and increases lymphatic flow and thus cleans the breast of toxins and wastes that arise from cellular metabolism.

    Of course, there may be other mechanisms for the damage that bras apparently cause. One such mechanism could be temperature. Breasts are external organs and have a naturally lower temperature. Cancers can be temperature-dependent. Breast cancer is hormone-dependent. Temperature can alter hormone function. Breast temperature changes throughout the monthly cycle.

    All these facts are from the medical literature. By whatever mechanism, someone will eventually explain why Singer and Grismaijer found a 125-fold difference in cancer rates between bra-free breasts and those constricted by 24-hour-per-day bra-wearing.

    If you haven't already done so, I suggest that you read the book by Singer and Grismaijer ( Dressed to Kill,Avery Press, 1995). (By the way, I have no connection to the authors; I think that they live in Canada.)

    Also, just for an interesting experiment, the next time you walk down the street, notice visually how constricting bras are. On many women you can actually see "dents" around the sides of their chests where there bras are, even in something as opaque as a black t-shirt.

    A physical therapist friend of mine, after reading Dressed to Kill, said that she was amazed at what she saw in her practice at a local medical clinic. She noticed how many women have red creases and grooves on the their bodies caused by their bras. Singer and Grismajer also suggest that you simply stop wearing one for two weeks and see how you feel.

    By the way, I have heard that they are currently working on a new study. The research is to study whether benign fibrocystic breast disease can be treated by stopping bra-wearing for eight weeks. That should be very interesting; this time they are involving medical doctors, from what I've heard.

    Years ago, many people thought that the idea of cigarettes causing lung cancer was funny. Even if further research with highly controlled studies only shows a difference of 5-fold, or even 2-fold, it will be no laughing matter.

The author, Ralph L. Reed, Ph.D. can be reached at reedr@ucs.orst.edu
;)

taga tigbao

Applicable ba pud ning study sa mga wa nagbra pero mura ug naa gihapoy bra kay naa man gagunit pirme?
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safest bra? cupless bra.
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luckybelle

Quote from: taga tigbao on September 22, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Applicable ba pud ning study sa mga wa nagbra pero mura ug naa gihapoy bra kay naa man gagunit pirme?

bwahahaha.... I won't dare  to ask kung kinsa
;)

bugsay

Quote from: taga tigbao on September 22, 2010, 08:17:00 PM
Applicable ba pud ning study sa mga wa nagbra pero mura ug naa gihapoy bra kay naa man gagunit pirme?

di seguro bai Tigs....kay samtang gigunitan gisuyop man sab ang kagaw... ;D
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