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Gikamang (crawl) ni Ondoy si Inday / Ondoy raped Inday.

Simbako! / I will go to church!

Kabahong kabahong! / Oh how the gangrene smells horribly!

Ang higante gituli sa duwende. / Higans gituls by the wend.

Naiti na ang linung-ag. / The boiled rice turned into chicken poop.

i sugar you in the window but you cockroach - gikamay ka nako  sa bintana pero ni ok-ok ka

Word nga "Butang" has many meaning like:

Butang = put
Butang = thing
Butang = punch / blow
Butang = contribution

(double it) butang-butang = Accuse

Example:
Kung imo gani ko nga butang-butangan nga wala ko ka butang, akong butangan imong nawong. Ibutang sa sakto ang tanang butang.
Meaning:
If you accuse me that I did not contribute, I will punch your face. Put all things right.

Ako ra pod ni nga imbento. Hehehe

p**t ka - You are a whore 

p**t to -  You pick it up

Putahe -   Recipe ( cooking recipe )

 

'Hubag' always confused me.  For describing someone as swollen like a boil or alternatively built for love?

Quote from: ben on June 02, 2009, 08:18:55 AM
'Hubag' always confused me.  For describing someone as swollen like a boil or alternatively built for love?

Hi ben!

Normally  "Hubag" means swollen something like tumor.  Since the Pinoys are fond of "jaga-jaga"- to crack jokes.  A person who has overweight are really a victim of this word.
Most of the concern  will take this with humor.

Quote from: Bambi on June 02, 2009, 08:36:54 AM
Hi ben!

Normally  "Hubag" means swollen something like tumor.  Since the Pinoys are fond of "jaga-jaga"- to crack jokes.  A person who has overweight are really a victim of this word.
Most of the concern  will take this with humor.

Also, when sitting out with my bugoy friends I have often heard them comment as a beautiful woman passes by: 'hubag!'  especially when we are hubog.  forgive us

Ang babayeng "hubag" daghan na og meaning: sexy, ooooooozing with sex appeal, tambok-tambok pero sexy lang gihapon, boobsie, pakigul, kiat kon molakaw, etc.  Dili pwede tawgon og hubag ang babaye nga gwapa pero niwang, unya walay sex appeal.

Tubo - pipe
Tubo - to grow
Tubo - sugarcane
Tubo - tubol or tubow (ha ha ha!). In Alicia, San Miguel, Loon, Antequera, Maribojoc, etc. the vowels are pronounced like the "U" in "church".   

cha-cha  /utang

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on June 02, 2009, 11:34:39 PM
Ang babayeng "hubag" daghan na og meaning: sexy, ooooooozing with sex appeal, tambok-tambok pero sexy lang gihapon, boobsie, pakigul, kiat kon molakaw, etc.  Dili pwede tawgon og hubag ang babaye nga gwapa pero niwang, unya walay sex appeal.

sa ako pag sabot ani, hubagang ate = boobsie nga seksi hehehe. gi pasikat ni sa kanta nga:

Hubagang ate wuyyy...bagting keleleng, mora kog mabueng hehehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcJUQc1--Jc

Quote from: janjan on June 02, 2009, 05:24:08 AM
i sugar you in the window but you cockroach - gikamay ka nako  sa bintana pero ni ok-ok ka

ngekkkk....literal pud ajo na. hehehe pero tama pud ang translation hehe

Tigmo Tigmo Agukoy or "Riddling Riddling of the Ghost Crab", from Cebuano Studies Center.

kuto - louse
kuto-2x - gastric/stomach

kutob - up to this


luto - cooked rice
luto - black  mourning dress

lutoson- to overtake


buto - crack
buto or boto - balls/testicles

butones - buttons


buko - young coconut shell
buko-2x - back/flipside

bukotan - to cover

No wonder when I try to speak the language everyone tells me to balidad sa Englis. yes' visay is gahay (hard) for me to master muster what-ever!

lol!

foreigner's mistake: I said otog instead of otong in the presence of my mother in law - when i felt the call of nature.  the 2nd is bad enough, but the 1st is just terrible.

Quote from: ben on June 04, 2009, 09:40:32 AM
foreigner's mistake: I said otog instead of otong in the presence of my mother in law - when i felt the call of nature.  the 2nd is bad enough, but the 1st is just terrible.

Very funny.I can imagine the reaction of your mother inlaw.

Quote from: Bambi on June 04, 2009, 03:38:02 AM
kuto - louse
kuto-2x - gastric/stomach

kutob - up to this


luto - cooked rice
luto - black  mourning dress
luto - kana bang gilut-an sa kamot
lutoson- to overtake


buto - crack
buto or boto - balls/testicles

butones - buttons


buko - young coconut shell
buko-2x - back/flipside

bukotan - to cover

Crazy songs pod: I love him! We will learn lot of crazy words, di ba?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvzdwGSnmxM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzF-9OdipKI

Quote from: Bambi on June 05, 2009, 04:56:00 AM
Crazy songs pod: I love him! We will learn lot of crazy words, di ba?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzF-9OdipKI

ahahahaha nalingaw ko ani. ngano ni inter...

og 3 plus 3, wala nay panti ahahahahaha...naa diay bisaya version sa otso3x.
haylabeettttttt

Quote from: ben on June 04, 2009, 09:40:32 AM
foreigner's mistake: I said otog instead of otong in the presence of my mother in law - when i felt the call of nature.  the 2nd is bad enough, but the 1st is just terrible.

I could imagine tu mama mia! hahahaha!

Quote from: ben on June 04, 2009, 09:40:32 AM
foreigner's mistake: I said otog instead of otong in the presence of my mother in law - when i felt the call of nature.  the 2nd is bad enough, but the 1st is just terrible.

  whahahaha  Wow! just imagine you have still the feeling to have it and said: "Ka-utogon ko"! Probably, your mom in law showed you the holy crucifix.

Kanang hubag nga buot ipasabot bajeng tambokon pero seksi murag gikan na sa bisong sa irong baje kun mangulag, kay mohubag man. 

Wow . . . bisong jud!!! Ha ha ha!

Pagkanaog ni Inday Hubag sa apiki nga hagdan, mikumpayut gyud sya sa hawiranan. Nya nya nya.  Nahu'og gyud intawn. "A'ang-a'ang, ang ang-ang a'ang a'ang!" 

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on June 20, 2009, 04:59:38 AM
Wow . . . bisong jud!!! Ha ha ha!

whahahahaha!  maajo gani kay ang mga baje dili mapareha sa iro according to "hubag bohol" pastilan unsaon nalang 

Kanus-a gisugdan paggamit ang "uyab"? Sa una kay "trato" man na.

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on June 29, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Kanus-a gisugdan paggamit ang "uyab"? Sa una kay "trato" man na.

Koddi,  haskang dugaya  na ning word "UYAB" nga gigamit sa ahong panahon sa teenager pa ko, ang word "trato" karaan na,  modern na ang "uyab" adtong panahona.

Morag late 60s pa man tingali nang "uyab". Tungod tingali na sa westerns nga salida nga daghang "kayboy" ug kabayo. Mohangos ang kabayo sa pagpunayng iniktin, unya mao na, ang "kabayo" gi-short-cut unya gibali, nahimong "uyab".   

Quote from: hubag bohol on June 30, 2009, 09:47:02 AM
Morag late 60s pa man tingali nang "uyab". Tungod tingali na sa westerns nga salida nga daghang "kayboy" ug kabayo. Mohangos ang kabayo sa pagpunayng iniktin, unya mao na, ang "kabayo" gi-short-cut unya gibali, nahimong "uyab".   

Tungod ba kaha kay mokabayo ka sa imong uyab? ha ha ha!

Kanang "spooting", unsa may etymology ana?

di ba well dressed ang meaning sa spooting?

mao na well dress is spooting.

Spooting? "Sporting" man tingali na, di man gud klaro ang "r" sa mga Merkano.

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on June 30, 2009, 09:07:08 PM
Tungod ba kaha kay mokabayo ka sa imong uyab? ha ha ha!

Di lang sa pagkabayo, sa akong nahibaw-an tungod pud kay ang uyab kuno bisan tiholan lang, magdagan-dagan aron magpakabayo!

Quote from: hubag bohol on July 01, 2009, 09:37:29 AM
Spooting? "Sporting" man tingali na, di man gud klaro ang "r" sa mga Merkano.

Bisaya ning spooting Hubag. Wa ba diay ka nakadungog nga ug magsinina gani ka ug pormal ingnon dajon Ah pertinh spootinga ha murag si Sputnik.hahahhah

Wa ma tingali pulong nga naay initial "sp-" sound sa lunsayng Binisaya.  Malagmit, borrowed word gyud ni.

Quote from: hubag bohol on July 01, 2009, 12:59:41 PM
Wa ma tingali pulong nga naay initial "sp-" sound sa lunsayng Binisaya.  Malagmit, borrowed word gyud ni.

spooting lagi na hubag. spootingang hubag oi. hehehe. mura bitaw ug hinugman nga pulong na sija.

Spanish, definitely.

Its an eloquently beautiful language, but native Spaniards are fast speakers.
I can immediately identify if a person is a white Hispanic or a native Spaniard by the way they pronounce the R, Z, C, J.

Latin and South Americans pronounce the word "Concepcion" as (kon sep syohn)
Whereas,
A native Spaniard will pronounce "Concepcion" as (Kawn thep thyon)

Hehe, the "C" is pronounced as a light "Thh" in Royal Castillian Spanish.

The proper way, hehe.

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The powerful rolling of the 'R' is not Castillian style btw.
Native Spanish; Authentic Spanish do roll the 'R' but not so heavily. Its a light roll.

However, Latin and South Americans have a tendency to heavily roll the 'R'.

An auditory illustration:
José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, Prime Minister of Spain.
---Notice and listen to how hoe speaks, so very light, yet so quick. Notice the tencing. hehe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_aLB-osUf0


One of the most beautiful languages in all of Europe.
---Royal Spanish.

Ja, Usted sabe,  ingles;  realmente ese duro porque hay solidez en su tencing. Si usted puede dominar ingles, usted puede dominar facilmente aleman e incluso holandes. El espanol, por una parte es latin derivado. Lleva a cabo tan apariencia al estilo arcaico del viejo latin. Iguales para el italiano, e incluso el frances. hehe. Altavoces rapidos.

Ja Voy,
Lorenzo

Ang "spooting" di man tingali mahimong gikan sa Spanish, kay "espooting" unta. Ang Spanish tongue ordinarily di man maka-pronounce sa inital "sp-" sound. Ilang butangag vowel or at least schwa sound before the "sp-", sama sa ilang gibuhat long ago sa mga Latin nga pulong nga misulod sa ilang vocabulary.  In fact, sigun sa mga Bisayista, ang "spelling" sa Binisaya "espeling" ("panitik" sa lunsayng Binisaya), obviously due to Spanish influence (and to our own Austronesian tongue, of course). 

lol! interesting reasoning you have there, Hubag.


Spanish is two sided. imho. Its a fairly easy language to master, but just like Classical Latin, the language is very archaic in its simplicity. Archaic in that its tensing is basic, but have clauses that if one were to transliterate in say English or German, or any other non-Latin language, would be difficult.

Spanish, literally is a hybrid of Old Roman Latin. A 'slang' version of Roman Latin. An effect of a millenia of diction.

Italian and Spanish are very similar, but, honestly, both are archaic in linguistic terms.

Since the Father Language---LATIN---to which Spanish and Italian sprouted from, was in itself an archaic language.

The twenty countries where Spanish is spoken each has its own ideas about what words mean, and often a common word in one location can be highly offensive or pejorative in another. Or the meaning may be entirely different, and at times it may mean nothing at all.

The idiom “en bolas” is a prime example. In Spain, it means "naked, nude, in the buff," but in Mexico, this phrase is used to mean "in a group" or "together." Imagine the possible confusion in a group of people from Spain and Mexico.

Worse are words like coger, which in Spain is a common verb used to mean "to catch [a bus, train, taxi, etc.]," along with many similar meanings, but throughout most of Latin America, it means "to 'elope'," and therefore isn't used much in daily conversation.

It gets even worse with Spanglish, the hybrid of English and Spanish used amongst heritage bilinguals in the U.S. This quasi-language varies from region to region, sometimes even from neighborhood to neighborhood, and that's before the personal code-switching among users starts.

That is why when I took Spanish in secondary schooling, I opted to learn not the Latin American Form, but the Castillian Form.

When I speak in Spanish I speak in the Castillian Dialect. If I converse with Puerto Ricans, Columbians, Mexicans, etc. They always, most always ask me, "Why are you speaking in Conquistadorlengua?"

Meaning, "Conqueror's Tongue?"

Whether you speak to a Honduran, Mexican, Argentinian, Venezuelan, PuertoRican, etc. IF you speak to them in Castillian Spanish, they will always, always, know what dialect you are using. "Conquistador". lol. But the irony of the situation is that Peruvian Spanish might not make sense to say someone from Venezuela or Mexico.

But all Latin Americans and Americanos del Sur (South Americans) will always know and understand Castiallian Spanish.


It is the 'Proper' Spanish. The Spanish that was meant to have been spoken.

Similar to the English that the British use. The way the British say a word, an English word, is how that word was meant to have been said.

An archaic language is a language that is no longer used, or not used in everyday life, or used by a limited number of speakers. This certainly does not apply to Spanish. You may say that Spanish has archaic characteristics (as in declension) but it can't, linguistically or otherwise, be called an archaic language.

You could say that. It shares the archaic characteristics like Classic Latin. If you understand the tensing system of Latin (Classic Romanum), you'll see and hear that it bears semblance to the present Spanish language.

Simplistic, yet archaic. hehe.

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The archaic form of Spanish that isn't used in Spain today can be seen in the Creole populations of Mexico. Old Mexico. The old Spanish Elites in Mexico still use the Spanish diction that was used in the 16th century. Whereas the Castillian Form is a simplified version of the Old Castillian Form. Which one could consider 'archaic' since it isn't used in Spain anymore.

But does live on in other parts of Latin America, per se in Mexico.

Its really interesting to see the development of language; the formation of slang. Or in this case, a former Spanish colony---being the suppository of the 'old' Castillian. Mexico, as a specific example. When Spaniards, today, want to study how old Castillian is spoken, they study the old Creole Dialect in Mexico.
(Please note that the Creole Dialect in Mexico is not the same as National Mexican Dialect; as Mexican Dialect of Spanish is a gross simplified form of Spanish, in regards to the tensing, and sentence formation).

You know, in Philippines, there was a dialect known as Chavacano. It was a mixture of Spanish-and Malay words. But the tensing of Chavacano bore semblance to Old Castillian. hehehe!

Their pronounciaiton of the words, and salutatory is identical to Royal Castillian, albeit it has added native words.

Chavacano is dying language, actually. Very few speak it now openly in the Philippines. To the average Tagalog or Bisayan, they wouldn't understand it at all. As Chavacano has more Spanish than it has native words.

But if one speaks Chavacano to say a Spaniard, Mexican, the latter would understand at least 80-85% of what the Chavacano speaker was trying to say.

It was the imprint of how truly Hispanized we were during the late 19th century.

Quote from: hubag bohol on July 01, 2009, 12:59:41 PM
Wa ma tingali pulong nga naay initial "sp-" sound sa lunsayng Binisaya.  Malagmit, borrowed word gyud ni.

Barrow bitaw siguro ning spooting kay hilig man ning bisaya gud ug pananglitan unya mahug nga mahimo na nuong words.Like anang moingon ug Panahon pa ni Mampor.Kinsa man na si Mampor hehhehe.Ang meaning sa panahon ni Mampor is karaan na. Kanang moingon murag si Sputnik.Matingaa na raman ta kinsa si Sputnik unja diay first earth orbiting satelite man diay na. Naay pay usa moingon ug na Skylab kono means naliso ang turnilyo or nabuang. Kay pag lunch ba to sa skylab daghan nabuang abi ug mahug sa earth ang skylab mao daghan gikabuhi.

@Lorenzo. true! I had a Chavacana friend. I can't understand a word she was saying. To think I know Waray, Cebuano and Tagalog. Whew.

hehe, yup yup.

I never knew about Chavacano language until my Spanish language teacher, Senora Bonmati told me about it. Then I researched Chavacano dialect, and to my surprise, the language was more Spanish than it was 'Filipino. hehehe.

The old Rich Filipino Peninsulares (The Aristocratic Ruling Class during the late 19th century; the Academics, the Intelligentsias) would speak in Castillian Spanish in the old days to communicate with one another. The Castillian dialect used by the Peninsulares was similar to the Old Creole Dialect used by the Mexicans. It made sense, actually. Since for 300 years, Philippines and Mexico had a direct umbilical cord linking each other. Via the Acapulco Galleon Trade. It was the Acapulco Trade that made Las Filipinas the Jewel of the Spanish Empire.

If you listen to Chavacano speakers talk, and you study it hard, yo will notice that the Spanish they speak is an Archaic form of Castillian. It is the Spanish that was used and spoken by the Conquistadores. To think, the Old Castillian that is now extinct in Spain, itself. Still is alive, in Mexico and parts of Philippines (Chavacano regions). hehehe.

This is a result of 400 years of Spanish-Malay intermixing, and language mixing.

To this day, Spanish historians and ethnolinguists that study the progression of Modern Castillian, to the Old and Middle Castillian, use their texts, as well as listen to the dialects in Mexico and in Chavacano regions of Philippines.

Their history still lives in some parts of the Philippines, and Mexico.

Dialects, hehehe. Gotta love 'em.

When I was taking Spanish I, we were asked to translate this sentence:
My sweetheart is beautiful.
This is my translation:" Me dulcecorazon is gwapa."
My teacher said." You are making your own Spanish word."

lol, Mr. Daray. It came from the heart, thats all that matters.

Señor FD, yo admiro realmente su pasión para el Internet especialmente en su edad. Comprendo que usted es maestro por profesión. ¿Cuándo se jubila usted? ¿Dónde se asentará usted después de que usted se jubile en Bohol o en Digos?

¿Tengamos un globo ocular con hermano Jamo2x en Davao un día de éstos?

Gracias.

Quote from: fdaray on July 02, 2009, 09:30:53 AM
When I was taking Spanish I, we were asked to translate this sentence:
My sweetheart is beautiful.
This is my translation:" Me dulcecorazon is gwapa."
My teacher said." You are making your own Spanish word."

¿El hermano Lorenzo, cómo es usted? ¿Cómo son sus estudios? Espere que usted haga bien y bueno. ¿Cuándo visitará usted Valencia Bohol?

Quote from: Lorenzo on July 02, 2009, 09:56:58 AM
lol, Mr. Daray. It came from the heart, thats all that matters.

Quote from: BedoAdoSalada on July 02, 2009, 10:01:42 AM
Señor FD, yo admiro realmente su pasión para el Internet especialmente en su edad. Comprendo que usted es maestro por profesión. ¿Cuándo se jubila usted? ¿Dónde se asentará usted después de que usted se jubile en Bohol o en Digos?

¿Tengamos un globo ocular con hermano Jamo2x en Davao un día de éstos?

Gracias.

opppsss morag na pagan ko dri dah hehehe. maajo man diay mag spanish si Beds....completo pa jud sa inverted Q mark hehe.
i can understand some but my 2 years in college for Spanish was changed to Latin (terra, terrae, terrarum, terris, terra)

Chavacano is still very much spoken in Zamboanga city and some parts of Cavite. 

Hehe.  www.freetranslation.com  ray katapat ana bro Jam.   haha.

Ako spanish kay "Conot ko, conot nimo, conot natong tanan".  haha.

Quote from: jamo2x on July 02, 2009, 10:30:46 AM
opppsss morag na pagan ko dri dah hehehe. maajo man diay mag spanish si Beds....completo pa jud sa inverted Q mark hehe.
i can understand some but my 2 years in college for Spanish was changed to Latin (terra, terrae, terrarum, terris, terra)

Chavacano is still very much spoken in Zamboanga city and some parts of Cavite. 

Quote from: BedoAdoSalada on July 02, 2009, 10:44:37 AM
Hehe.  www.freetranslation.com  ray katapat ana bro Jam.   haha.

Ako spanish kay "Conot ko, conot nimo, conot natong tanan".  haha.

conozco...mao btaw nang komedja ana...

na sabtan man naho tanan except ang jubila...hehe retirement man diay nah...pwde na naho ma translate hehe 

Salud, Senor Bedo!

Yo estoy muy bien porque las examinas segundo estan fin. hehe. Por supuesto, para la gracia de Dios en Cielo, my compadres y yo tenemos un grado especial. hehehe. Pero de la gracia y sustancia de Dios den Cielo. hehehe. Gracias pos su comento, yo gusto visito la municipilidad de Valencia en la provincia de Bohol en la Republica Filipina, pero yo no se cuando porque yo tengo much much estudio en aqui...medicina segundo. Jaaa voy!

hehehe, pero gracias por sus inspiraciones!

En el nombre de Jesu Cristo!


Su Amigo,
Bran Lorenzo

Quote from: jamo2x on July 02, 2009, 10:30:46 AM
opppsss morag na pagan ko dri dah hehehe. maajo man diay mag spanish si Beds....completo pa jud sa inverted Q mark hehe.
i can understand some but my 2 years in college for Spanish was changed to Latin (terra, terrae, terrarum, terris, terra)

Chavacano is still very much spoken in Zamboanga city and some parts of Cavite. 

I should want to visit Zamboanga in the future. hehe. Viva Chavacano!

Yo no comprendo Espanol, porque yo no estudio in colegio.

Pero, senor, tu escribes en espanol perfecto. hehe.

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on July 01, 2009, 03:23:22 PM
Barrow bitaw siguro ning spooting kay hilig man ning bisaya gud ug pananglitan unya mahug nga mahimo na nuong words.Like anang moingon ug Panahon pa ni Mampor.Kinsa man na si Mampor hehhehe.Ang meaning sa panahon ni Mampor is karaan na. Kanang moingon murag si Sputnik.Matingaa na raman ta kinsa si Sputnik unja diay first earth orbiting satelite man diay na. Naay pay usa moingon ug na Skylab kono means naliso ang turnilyo or nabuang. Kay pag lunch ba to sa skylab daghan nabuang abi ug mahug sa earth ang skylab mao daghan gikabuhi.

Nice, nice, nice nga paghinumdum sa mga events ug pag-associate sa mga words. Tinuod jud na Raqz. In Baybay, Leyte ang "billion" or "bilyon" means "bu****", kanang magyawyaw siya rang usa, unya hangad langit, morag nag-ihap sa mga bituon. "Pagka bilyon baya anang tawhana", means "Pagka bu**** baya . . . "   

My college professor in Spanish was surnamed Faelnar.  Kon amo siyang libakon, mag-conjugate dayon mi . . . Faelno, Faelnas, Faelna, Faelnamos, Faelnais, Faelnan.

Did "Mampor" really exist?

There is no word in Spanish 'Mampor'

But one can see the idiom that was probably created. A localized diction, most probably.

Mam, the shortened form of Madam. And Por, for the word 'Por Favor' (please).

So if one uses the term, Mampor, to say a superior woman (superior in terms of age, position, and respective clause), then it would make sense.

One can see the idiom of 'en Bola' that is used in Spain, but the meaning makes no sense in Latin America. Word is the same, but the context it is used is foreign.

Localized diction.

Sa mga sabungan, "pago" or "gi-pago" means one absconds or flees with all the money (bets), when in fact it means "I pay" from the word "pagar" (to pay). 

I'll give you a specific example.

The phrase, "Ja Voy" or 'Yo Voy'  is used as a declaratory statement. It means "I'm going. I go"

In Spain it is pronounced as (jzho vhoyy). But in Latin America, it would be pronounced as "Yo boy"

One can easily tell the difference from a native Spanish speaker from Spain and a native Spanish speaker from say Argentina, Mexico, Honduras, Peru, Boliva etc.
The Spaniards are light speakers, and carry a 'lisp' in how they speak Spanish. The tongue doesn't extrapolate too much of a strong sound. Emphasis is on the light tone, and speed. Latin American speakers are slower in how how they talk, and utilize a heavy emphasis on tone.

One can compare the American form of English to say, British English.

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 03, 2009, 12:32:09 AM
Sa mga sabungan, "pago" or "gi-pago" means one absconds or flees with all the money (bets), when in fact it means "I pay" from the word "pagar" (to pay). 

hehe, yes, its interesting to see the local diction appropriating its influence on the original Spanish Ar Verb "Pagar".

Instead of using yo pago, nosotros pagamos, ellos pagan, ellas pagan, ustedes pagan, ---the Filipinoized diction made it 'Gi Pago' hehehe.

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One notices the meaning of obviously Spanish words have a total different meaning of the original. I'll give you an example.

The term 'Siempre' or 'Siempre Si' means "Always" in Spanish.
In sentence format it would be used as: En el barco de Magellan, los soldados del Rey Espana y comandante Fernando Magellan gustan a compenzan los islas de Malacas y Cathay por la economia de Imperio Hispanidad, Siempre Si."

In this context, the word "Siempre" means "Always."

But in Filipino context, the word 'Siempre' now has acquired a new meaning, which is "Of Course."

When a Filipino speaker asks his father if he wants him to cook food, the father would respond, "Siempre, na gutom na gud ko"
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In this example, the term siempre has taken up the meaning of 'Of Course'.

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Again, local diction.

I had a discussion with some of my Spanish friends about this some time ago, as they asked me whether if Spanish is still spoken in the Philippines, any influential presence. My answer was "Asi Asi"

Filipino language maintains its austronesian stock, but at the same time, borrows and adds in Spanish words, phrasing, and tensing and has assimilated the world to sound more Austronesian. 'Filipinoizing' it. hehe, even so much as to change the way the word is written to look and sound more 'native' hehe.

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Some examples:

The word 'Cantar' = it means 'To Sing' in Spanish.
But in Filipino dialects, they have assimilated the world to the native usage.
ex) Hoy, dali na lagi diri, gi andar na ang mic, kai gusto mi mo kanta-kanta.
--In this case 'kanta-kanta' is the assiimilated format of cantar.

Ex) Dali na ba, tokar-a tong kanta sa ganina.
--In this case the term 'tokar-a' is the localized form of 'Tocar' , which means "To play".

So many more examples! hehehe
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What is rather interesting for me to read and observe is how some words that are clearly very Latin, the Filipino people have changed the way it is written, adding suffixes to make it more 'Pinoy' sounding. hehehehe

Examples lang:

Guapa = Spanish Form
Gwapang/ Gwapa kaayo = Pinoy Form

Guapo = Spanish Form
Gwapo/ Gwapo kaayo = Pinoy Form

Situacion = Spanish Form
Sityuwasyon = Pinoy Form

Ebajada = Spanish Form
Embahada = Pinoy Form

Republica = Spanish Form
Republika = Pinoy Form

Parientes = Spanish Form
Paryentes/ Paryente nako = Spanish Form

Educacion = Spanish Form
Edyukasyon = Pinoy Form


hehehe

Naa pay daghan kaayo ana Renz. There is a very comprehensive book entitled "Diccionario de Español en la Lengua Tagala" that presents how Spanish words have been assimilated into the local language or evolved from its original meaning. Like ante para de ojos - nahimong "antyohos" or "antipara"; la mesa - lamesa; como esta - kumusta, etc.

kanang word na donsilya, spanish ba na?

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 03, 2009, 11:18:36 PM
Naa pay daghan kaayo ana Renz. There is a very comprehensive book entitled "Diccionario de Español en la Lengua Tagala" that presents how Spanish words have been assimilated into the local language or evolved from its original meaning. Like ante para de ojos - nahimong "antyohos" or "antipara"; la mesa - lamesa; como esta - kumusta, etc.

That is an interesting book, I'd like to get my hands on a copy of that, actually. Its really interesting how language has developed over the centuries and how Latin words have been entrenched into the Filipino diction.

The most obvious is the numerical system in use. Spanish numerical system still are in place, albeit the fact that the spelling has changed to meet the Filipino tongue.
Even in Latin America, there are parts of Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala that still retain their old Aztec and Toltec indigenous phrasing while using Spanish as the prefix or the suffix.

For example the Aztec word of "Choltepixactl" It was a name of an old city, but after the Spaniards conquored the region, it was Hispanized to "Churpatara Tiera" hehe

The reason why the Philippines retained a higher semblance of its austronesian wording was the fact that there wasn't that much of a Spanish overseas migration to the Philippines, as compared to the level of human migration from Spain to say the Viceroyalidad de Nueva Espana y La Plata y Peru. The Spaniards brought with them not only their tongue, but their bodies. It was Spanish policy to intermingle, and breed with the local peoples---a way to Hispanize the Native Ameri-Indians in Central and South America. As a result, for the most part, the populations of Latin America are now a mestizo mix. With most peoples having some kind of European Blood---obviously Spanish blood.

The Philippines, on the other hand, was spared from the massive Hispanic human migration due to its logistical distance. It simply was too far away for Spanish migrants. That and the fact that the Philippines---back in the 16th to 19th centuries was not considered a Provincial Colony. On the contrary, it was, by provision of the Imperial Audencia y Ecclastisticum, a Royal Spanish Bastion. It was a military colony. It was governed by a Military Provisional Government, that was part of the Viceroyalidad de Nueva Espana (Present day Mexico, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras etc). The Philippines remained a military colony from 1565 till 1840, until the loss of Spain's American colonies. When the Philippines became developed--in the mid 19th century--only then was there a significant Spanish migration to the archipelago. And even then, it was mostly Spanish Military as well as the poor Spanish gentry that arrived to the Philippines. Many of whom mixed and bred with the local indigenous population.

The Philippines---was not the focal point of a human economic migration because i didn't have the fertile land to support an expansive population. As we remember that prior to Hispanization of the islands, the population of the archipelago was no more than 100.000- 200.000. As documented by the exploratory monks (Augustinian/ Dominitians). The Philippines, was actually a religious experiment for the Spanish, observing the animistic and pagan society of the archipelago, the Spaniards conquored the islands in the goal to Christianize the people, to bring the Word of God to the people. Government and infrastructure---came with the Spaniards. They brought with them Roman jurisprudence, the concept of the bario (pueblo), municipalidad, provincia, cuidad, regionalidad, colonidad. Brought with them the concept of education--prison systems, and the very core factor that led to teh success of the Philippine Colony.----THE Spanish Eoncomienda System. Or in Filipino term---it is called the Hacienda and the Hacienderos. It was the Encomienda---the concept of a landowning and farming community that transformed the archipelago. Figuratively and Literally.

With the structured base of the hacienda, which was established throughout the archipelago by the premis and prediliction of the Catholic Church--and by the Conquistadores, it established Rice as the farming crop. Development of othe agriraian goods such as maize, potatoes, sugar cane, pineapple, mango, hemp, logging trees etc. This rise of commerce and food product was the precipitating factor that led to the boom of the Local Native population. From 1560--the population of the islands was documented to no more than 100.000-2oo.ooo. By the late 19th century, Las Filipinas had a population that has reached 8 MILLION!

From province to province, there was organization, there was a presence of law, societal forums, as well as the foundation for a nation-state, which would facilitate the entual revolutionary aspirations of the people---after reachign societal evolution from a pseudo-barbaric argrarian society prior to Hispanization to a society that reached the pinnacle of Hispano-Romanization within a span of 3 centuries.


So, obviously---with the heavy Hispanization of the Archipelago, and since its success was due to Spanish visage, it is only obviously evident that language would be also influenced by the Hispanization that occured, naturally.


Am I surprised? No. It makes sense.
Culturally, linguistically, societally and economically.

hehe

Quote from: monkey d. luffy on July 04, 2009, 12:00:22 AM
kanang word na donsilya, spanish ba na?

The honorrific title of 'Don' means "Sir, Lord, Sire" albeit it is in masculine form.
The honorrific title for a woman of the Peninsulare-Class (the aristocratic ruling class) would be "Dona, Dona Senora"

Donsillo or Donsilla would be used as a respective gesture.
A term that a working member of the gentry-class would use to refer to---the Gobernadorcillo and his wife or any member in the Peninsulare-Class.

The term "Donsillo/ Donsilla" illustrates how classed society was in the Spanish Epoch.
The same for any European Society in that time period. We see the same in Spain, as well.

Donsillo ---would be used to refer to the Lord Governor, or Lord Mayor.

But here in the Philippines, if a girl is "donselya", it means that she is a virgin, intact. Donselya here is strictly feminine. There is no donselyo to mean a virgin male.

Donselya is of course from the Spanish word "doncella" which means, historically and literarily, maiden, but it also means maidservant and well, yes, virgin. It may be noted that Schubert's "Der Tod und das Madchen" is usually rendered into English as "Death and the Maiden" but into Spanish as "La Muerte y la Doncella".

I haven't encountered the word "doncello" that refers to a male virgin. It would appear that the concept of the male virgin is nonexistent in the psyche of peoples who language is characterized by the use of the subjunctive mood.  

Quote from: Lorenzo on July 04, 2009, 12:59:22 AM
The honorrific title of 'Don' means "Sir, Lord, Sire" albeit it is in masculine form.
The honorrific title for a woman of the Peninsulare-Class (the aristocratic ruling class) would be "Dona, Dona Senora"

Donsillo or Donsilla would be used as a respective gesture.
A term that a working member of the gentry-class would use to refer to---the Gobernadorcillo and his wife or any member in the Peninsulare-Class.

The term "Donsillo/ Donsilla" illustrates how classed society was in the Spanish Epoch.
The same for any European Society in that time period. We see the same in Spain, as well.

Donsillo ---would be used to refer to the Lord Governor, or Lord Mayor.

Taym sa, klaroha kuno ni Doy Lorenzo. Naa ba goy honorific title nga Donsillo/Donsilla? Which part of the Spanish-speaking world man ni gigamit, and which epoch? Taronga kuno ning imong mga post kay naa baja tingali motuo nimo.

Quote from: hubag bohol on July 04, 2009, 10:43:21 AM
Taym sa, klaroha kuno ni Doy Lorenzo. Naa ba goy honorific title nga Donsillo/Donsilla? Which part of the Spanish-speaking world man ni gigamit, and which epoch? Taronga kuno ning imong mga post kay naa baja tingali motuo nimo.

Ha ha ha! Mao pud nay akong na obserbahan sa pag analyze ni Lorenzo sa Donsillo ug Donsilla. Wa lang ko mo react. Karon duha na ta. He he he.

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 04, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
Ha ha ha! Mao pud nay akong na obserbahan sa pag analyze ni Lorenzo sa Donsillo ug Donsilla. Wa lang ko mo react. Karon duha na ta. He he he.

Ang akong punto lang--and I don't mean to be mean--is that morag naa man goy nakakat-on lag gamayng Espanol unja nagtuo na nga ang ilang utok maka-tackle nag simple intellectual discourse. Por Dios por mio, one should learn just enough information that one's intellectual ability can tackle.  Ang bugo nga makakat-on og Spanish, bugo lang gihapon. Ajaw tawon og pagarpar kon dili kaja sa utok.  

Quote from: Lorenzo on July 03, 2009, 03:25:31 AM
Gwapang/ Gwapa kaayo = Pinoy Form; . . . Situacion = Spanish Form . . . Sityuwasyon = Pinoy Form . . . Educacion = Spanish Form . . . Edyukasyon = Pinoy Form

"Gwapang" is actually the contraction of “gwapa nga”.  There is no such word as "sityuwasyon" here, but we have “sitwasyon”; same with ”edyukasyon”, for which we have “edukasyon”. But we have a truly Binisaya word for sitwasyon, which is "kahimtang", although a handful of older people use the Spanish "estado". 

Quote from: hubag bohol on July 04, 2009, 10:43:21 AM
Taym sa, klaroha kuno ni Doy Lorenzo. Naa ba goy honorific title nga Donsillo/Donsilla? Which part of the Spanish-speaking world man ni gigamit, and which epoch? Taronga kuno ning imong mga post kay naa baja tingali motuo nimo.

It is quite common to refer to an individual who is of a noble class as "Don" or "Don Senor" which is equivalent to the English "Sir, Lord"

In proper Spanish salutation, if say--a commoner would come out of church and see the Gobernador-General, or any member of the upper class, it would be customary to refer to that person as "Don Senor" or "Don Senor Gobernadorcillo"

It would make sense to use the term "Don-cillo" as a contraction of the word "Don Gobernador.

Considering the Filipino trait to "Filipino-ize" Spanish Term.

I already gave an example of the word "Siempre"
In the Spanish speaking world, the word "siempre" means "Always"
But in the Philippines, when we use the word "Syempre" it means "Of course"


If one knows Spanish, we know that the word for "Of Course" is not Siempre, but is "Por Supuesto"
hehehe


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Given the multifaceted nature of the Spanish Language---and the expanse of where Spanish is spoken; it only makes sense that regional tone, dialect, and wording will differ from region to region. The Spanish that is spoken in Spain, will be different to say the Spanish that is spoken in the Canaries, Mexico, Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay, Argentina, Honduras, Venezuela---and even in some parts of the Philippines. hehehe.

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Note, that I am not an expert in Spanish. I'm just an average student---I'm not a natural speaker, I only took 5 years of the course. My interest in Spanish is mainly for the historical---and though my understanding and mastery of Spanish is but limited, it is enough for me to read and understand the idioms used in old Castillian and simplified Castillian.

hehehe

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 04, 2009, 09:37:28 PM
"Gwapang" is actually the contraction of “gwapa nga”.  There is no such word as "sityuwasyon" here, but we have “sitwasyon”; same with ”edyukasyon”, for which we have “edukasyon”.

Thank you for the correction. And we notice from the word "Sitwasyon" that it is indeed Latin Influenced. Same for Edukasyon' hehe.

I apologize for the err in the Filipinoized form of the Spanish word.

I admit that my proficiency in Tagalog as well as Bisaya is very limited.
Am learning tho. hahaha.

Do note that the term Don or Doña is given to a man or woman to show respect.
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The meaning of the word has changed over time, actually, as the societies liberalized. Now, in today's time, the word Don or Doña is used as a sign of respect and admiration. It is used commonly by a younger person addressing an individual that is older and wiser.

But if one reads old Castillian documents, the meaning was different. Doña  would be used for a Lady of the Court, A woman of the noble class, or even for the Queen.

For example, a title used for the Queen of Spain would be: Doña Senora Isabella, Reina Espana y Imperio Hispanidad.

When referring to Our Lady, Mother Mary, she is referred to by Spanish speakers as (Doña Maria, Madre de Jesu Cristo, Reina del Cielo)


The prefix 'Don' is already, by right, a salutary word.

Quote from: hubag bohol on July 04, 2009, 06:30:57 AM
Donselya is of course from the Spanish word "doncella" which means, historically and literarily, maiden, but it also means maidservant and well, yes, virgin. It may be noted that Schubert's "Der Tod und das Madchen" is usually rendered into English as "Death and the Maiden" but into Spanish as "La Muerte y la Doncella".

Actually, no it does not.

The word Doncella literally means "Pretty Lady, Beautiful girl"

The meaning has changed over the years; and from region to region it is used.

It can be used as: Esa doncella es mi hija.  (My daughter is very pretty)
---This is the MODERN way of using it--

Historically, doncella would be used to refer to a lady of the court. A lady in waiting. Noble lady. Literally and figuratively.


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Again, remember that there are over 600 million Spanish speakers in the world. The majority of whom are in Latin and South America.

Only 40-50 million are from Spain.

Idioms that are used will differ from region to region. And every region will apply their own meaning for a particular word/phrase. hehehe.


Its pretty cool tho isn't it? The evolution of language. The transformation of the original.

The honorific title "Don", which is very common here in the Philippines and therefore needs no further elucidation, has nothing to do with the etymology of the word "donsilya" which is one of the common terms we use for "virgin". The others are "putli" (virgin or pure) and "ulay" (more commonly used for an untouched older woman, or a spinster, as in "dalagang ulay").  "Kaputli" is, therefore, virginity, or the state of being pure.  "Kinsa ang naggutay-gutay sa putli mong mga gihay?" is a poetic line for "Who deflowered you?"  "Gutay" is to tear; "gihay" is petal. 

In much the same way, "Mam" (from Madam) and Por (from 'por favor') did not evolve into the name of a person which is Mampor.  Mampor is more like Magellan. So, when we say "sa panahon pa ni Mampor" and "sa panahon pa ni Magellan" we mean the same thing. It's like the event happened before history was written. But we can also use it to describe a very old item or old-looking thing like an old pair of shoes: "Daana na anang imong sapatos, uy. Gisul-ob pa man na ni Mampor." 

Ive never heard of the term 'Mampor' ever being used in Spanish. And as a fairly fluent speaker, I can attest to the fact that I've never used this term. However, I can attest to the fact that the term 'Por' is indeed Hispanic in origin. It does not bear any Austronesian links.

The word Por is part of the Spanish Request, "Por Favor" meaning 'Please'.

How the word Mampor developed, it alludes my understanding. How it is used in Filipino, is an interesting one.

The Filipino habit of borrowing Latin words and applying a regionalist use and meaning is definitely observed in this specific example. hehehe.

Por is indeed Latin-based.

It is the prefix of some words:

1)Porque (Spanish; for why)
2) Pourquoi (French; again another Latinized language)
3) Por Favor
4) parce que (French for 'because')

As we can observe that the word 'Por' actually derives from the Greek word "Porus", which would be adopted by the Romans (Latinium) in the Latin word of 'Porc'.

Spain, being a Colony of the Roman Empire for 500 years adopted it and used the term as "Por/ Para/ Porque" etc.

hehehe


etc.,

Final Analysis: Filipino Language, is indeed a stratified one. Borrowing foreign words and using it and applying a local meaning. A totally different meaning from the original.
hehehe

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 07, 2009, 12:17:09 AM
The honorific title "Don", which is very common here in the Philippines and therefore needs no further elucidation, has nothing to do with the etymology of the word "donsilya"

It requires analysis, as we need to study the origin of the word; to understand the meaning of the original word; the way it was used in Spain--The Mother of the Spanish Language--to which applied influence in the Philippines, which was a Colony of Spain for almost half a millenia.

In order to study something, to properly and fully understand how an idiom can be used and understand the current/modern meaning to the original, one needs to study the origin. The focal point. To see how and where the current meaning has deviated from the original. Its imperative for any linguistics analysis, or for that matter, any sociocultural aspect.

ara na mang ka advance ning discussion dire. hehehe. wa na makaya sa ahong brain cells, nangbuto na sila. hehehe

Quote from: taga tigbao on July 07, 2009, 05:21:09 PM
ara na mang ka advance ning discussion dire. hehehe. wa na makaya sa ahong brain cells, nangbuto na sila. hehehe

Bwa ha ha ha! A'ng-a'ng og di mobuto imong alimpatakan nga mampor ug donsilya ra man unta ang hilisgutan, sayon ra man unta na kaayo pagsabot, unya gilisudlisud pa man ang imong tingkoy, he he he.

To Tigbao and others, I do love analyzing the meaning of some words that are clearly Hispanized and or borrow from Latin, albeit the fact that the sound and structure of said word bears a different meaning from the borrowed term.

hehehe, dili man lisud, interesting ra kaayo. Kai an exchange of minds gud. up to the individual to take it what it is, positive or negative. hehe.

To continue with the discourse:

Lets study how and why the Word 'Siempre" adopted a totally different meaning here in the Philippines.

hehehe

Siempre (Spanish) = Always
Syempre (Pinoy) = Of course

Quote from: Lorenzo on July 08, 2009, 09:15:21 AM

Siempre (Spanish) = Always
Syempre (Pinoy) = Of course

sakto bitaw pud ka bay lorenzo, kay ang tumong ug tujo aning thread nga Crazy Language mao man ang pagtuki aning mga kalambigita.

Quote from: Koddi Prudente on July 07, 2009, 08:57:04 PM
Bwa ha ha ha! A'ng-a'ng og di mobuto imong alimpatakan nga mampor ug donsilya ra man unta ang hilisgutan, sayon ra man unta na kaayo pagsabot, unya gilisudlisud pa man ang imong tingkoy, he he he.

salig kay mga bright....hehehehe. buto lamang ahong brain cells nuon.

hehehe, wa yamo bright tawhana sa yuta. Ang bright man ang GINOO.
hehehe, kita tanan, below average ra jud ta in the eyes and sight of the LORD.

Tawa man ko ani oi,magkayungit lagi ta ba.Hahaha.TGT,di bitaw pod ko tig apil aning topica kay kapoy thinking thingking.

hehehe, misty, na unsa naman. ingoon ka di  ka mo ampil sa topica kai kapoy ang thinking2x, pero ning apild man jud ka. hahahahaha!

okey ra pood kai beautiful mang kaayo imung mata. hehehehe!

da lagi ka!

Quote from: mistyeyed on July 08, 2009, 06:23:15 PM
Tawa man ko ani oi,magkayungit lagi ta ba.Hahaha.TGT,di bitaw pod ko tig apil aning topica kay kapoy thinking thingking.

mao lagi misty, nahuslo lamang ko aning lingkuranan pagbasa naho aning ilang tinubagay ni Sir Koddi ug Bay Lorenzo.

Wa man intawon koy laing hibangkaagan nga sinultihan ang gimahal ra intawon naho nga Binisaja.hehehehe

Hello everyone! Ask lng ko unsa ang meaning sa word nga "karamba". Mao man gud ni ang ilitok sa ahong Lolo niadtong buhi pa sija kun masuko. Unsa ma ni sija Binisaya, Spanish or Latin? Nagwonder ko ani kay ang ahong Lolo language instructor man gud. Nagteach cya sauna ug Latin, Spanish, English Literature etc. Wa jud nakaako ug pangutana nija kun unsa ni nga word kay nahadlok makasab-an. Strict man gud cja. Ang word nga "Tad" unsa man pud ang meaning.