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Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« on: December 29, 2009, 03:55:24 PM »
Is this possible in our country, since this is already allowed in some parts of the continent?

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 05:43:53 PM »
Murag dili siguro ni ma allowed sa Philippines kay murag daghang mo babag,ang church lang daan.Mas maayo pod ug dili nalang jud e allow.Adto nalang sila sa laing country pakasal if they want.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 05:47:14 PM »
I think people could tolerate.

The church is the one that will not like it at all :)

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 06:32:47 PM »
I am a true believer of the Catholic faith but here in Germany I witness that such tolerance is respect for human rights. There are things that I dislike in our Catholic church. It is full of hypocracy.  It should be active in social activities to alleviate poverty.
Third sex must be respected, they have right to express their way of love. If this is not in consonance with our faith, they have to answer it before Him.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2009, 11:13:25 PM »
Nothing is new under the sun pwede kaayo ang gay marriage sa Pilipinas kadaghan b***t didto. Pilipinas pa di mo propose ani ug i legal nga tag ingis man ta unsay gibuhat sa foreign land tag ing pud ang pilipinas.
In philippines being catholic is only in name so who care ug i legal ang gay marriage didto. Maihap ra ang faithful sa faith sa atua so bisan unsaon pa ug oppose nila wa jud silay mahimo.Pareha ragud ni nga illegal ang abortion sa atua pero kadaghan nag practice ani didto.Tungod sa kadaghan b***t na sa atua murag akong tan aw puro na jud b***t didto hahahha .Kasagaran moingon lagi ug straight pero mopatol man pud ug b***t so dili jud siguro straight halos mga laki sa atua mga gay na kay once mopatol ug b***t it means b***t napud ka.Maglisod na tag identify kinsa ang b***t ug kinsa ang dili heheheh.
Mabuhi ang mga b***t ug tomboy.Murag maayo siguro ang title sa Philippines nga the MOST Gayest Country in the world hahahah kay daghan man jud b***t bitaw sa atua.Ma known jud siguro ug samot ang Philippines ug mo declare na tag MOST Gay Country wow bongga. Maayo ang mga b***t nay modaghan kay puro na jud peace sa atua kay di man ning b***t kabalo mangaway.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 12:52:55 AM »
Too soon Manay! di pa man gani gina accept sa HOMES ang uban nga gay. I think its really too soon!

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 12:54:17 AM »
Nothing is new under the sun pwede kaayo ang gay marriage sa Pilipinas kadaghan b***t didto. Pilipinas pa di mo propose ani ug i legal nga tag ingis man ta unsay gibuhat sa foreign land tag ing pud ang pilipinas.
In philippines being catholic is only in name so who care ug i legal ang gay marriage didto. Maihap ra ang faithful sa faith sa atua so bisan unsaon pa ug oppose nila wa jud silay mahimo.Pareha ragud ni nga illegal ang abortion sa atua pero kadaghan nag practice ani didto.Tungod sa kadaghan b***t na sa atua murag akong tan aw puro na jud b***t didto hahahha .Kasagaran moingon lagi ug straight pero mopatol man pud ug b***t so dili jud siguro straight halos mga laki sa atua mga gay na kay once mopatol ug b***t it means b***t napud ka.Maglisod na tag identify kinsa ang b***t ug kinsa ang dili heheheh.
Mabuhi ang mga b***t ug tomboy.Murag maayo siguro ang title sa Philippines nga the MOST Gayest Country in the world hahahah kay daghan man jud b***t bitaw sa atua.Ma known jud siguro ug samot ang Philippines ug mo declare na tag MOST Gay Country wow bongga. Maayo ang mga b***t nay modaghan kay puro na jud peace sa atua kay di man ning b***t kabalo mangaway.


The gayest in the sense that we all PLIPS love FUN! we do love fun! and its GAY di ba?

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 01:33:41 AM »
kung ma ok ni sa RP, daghang pari ang mogawas sa bokasyon. ;D ;D

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 01:39:14 AM »
Aduna koy ig-agaw nga bokser ang iyang  one n only son kay b***t, apan pino kaajo, maoy mag-una ug pangadye sa kapilya. Bokbokon gihapon sa mga bogoy nga hobog, namatay intawon siya angin sa internal bleeding.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 03:53:26 AM »
Aduna koy ig-agaw nga bokser ang iyang  one n only son kay b***t, apan pino kaajo, maoy mag-una ug pangadye sa kapilya. Bokbokon gihapon sa mga bogoy nga hobog, namatay intawon siya angin sa internal bleeding.
How sad,abi man nako accepted na ni sa atua mga b***t kay sa amoa pinangga man ka ug b***t ka dako ka ug importansya sa katilingban. Di ko kasabot aning mga tawo kitid ug hunahuna dapat pangbitayon ni sila. We need to learn and love all the Gay people kay wala baya na nila tuyua naingon ani ni sila.  Mas buotan nuon kaayo ang mga tomboy ug b***t.Kugihan kaayo sad.
Philippines the Most Gay Country yeheeeeeeeyyy. Dapat wad on na ning title sa Philippines nga Predominant Catholic Nation in Asia kay  ulaw hunahunaon ang mga foreigner mashock inig abot didto nga in name ra kono atong pagkakatoliko wa sa buhat ilisan ug Gayest Country kay daghan jud b***t sa atua bisan asa ta lingi naay b***t heheheh sa aning paagiha Honest jud ta di jud ni matawag ug in name only kay gibuhat man jud heheheh. Sad ang kalibutan ug wala ning mga b***t.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 08:03:24 AM »
if i-allow sa catholic church ang pagmenyo ug mga pari, they should also allow gay marriage in our country ;)

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 11:01:54 PM »
i can tolerate gay marriages since i grew up being surrounded by gays and i can see and feel their struggles to be accepted in the society.. but being a Catholic country, i doubt if this would ever come true...

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 11:10:43 PM »
Spain is "catholic" and they can get married, but the church does not like it at all cause is named "marriage" and they want the goberment to call it other way lol

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 11:17:41 PM »
unsa man diay problema kon himoong  legal ang kasal sa same sex, og di sila ma hilangit unsa may labot ninyong mga mi kontra,
og mahi langit man kamong dili gusto sa same sex marriage, pasagdi na lang silang mga b***t nga makasal unya di mahi langit sumala sa inyong pag tuo

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2009, 12:31:21 AM »
Sakto jud ka Ondoy, tagaan unta sila ug legal recognition, bahala na ang simbahan. Kini sila tawo raman jud, adunay balati-an.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2009, 01:31:06 AM »
mao lagi manay og ang mga tawo diri sa olanda mga pinoy pa siguradong magkagubot jud kay ang mga balaod diri di jud pang pinoy

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2009, 02:10:16 AM »
Biblically speaking, the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22. Whenever there is mention of marriage, it is between a male and a female. The first mention of marriage, Genesis 2:24, describes it as a man leaving his parents and being united to his wife.






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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2009, 04:15:17 AM »
Yes, that´s true, God made Man and Woman and nothing in-between. But reality is different, how shall we conform to this difference, they are also creature of God, they have the right to exist.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2009, 01:59:17 PM »
Bitaw naa silay right to exist but sa akong pod nga kaugalingong hunahuna,ug kita hinimo ra sa Ginoo,meaning dili kita ang tag iya sa atong kinabuhi,naay tag-iya nato,unya ug dili kita ang tag-iya,whatever utos sa tag-iya dapat atong sundon,diba.



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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2009, 02:02:10 PM »
Naa koy nahinumdoman,si Adan ug Eva giingnan ug ayaw kaon but tungod nga sila naminaw sa snake,sila ni kaon, ug sa pagkaon nila instead nga sila ra ang mo suffer sa effect,pati ang next generation ni suffer. Now, if e allow tanang gusto sa tao,what will happen to the world,not only one will suffer but others too.

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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2010, 12:58:05 AM »
Naa koy nahinumdoman,si Adan ug Eva giingnan ug ayaw kaon but tungod nga sila naminaw sa snake,sila ni kaon, ug sa pagkaon nila instead nga sila ra ang mo suffer sa effect,pati ang next generation ni suffer. Now, if e allow tanang gusto sa tao,what will happen to the world,not only one will suffer but others too.
puro na gays ang magpuyo sa kalibutan misty. maghari na ang mga tomboy ug magreyna ang mga b***t.

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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2010, 01:00:01 PM »
looy baya ning mga homosexuals and lesbians kay until now nag-fight pa gihapon sila sa mga rights nila and i think dili nila sala nga ing-ani sila kay we blame genetics for this...

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2010, 02:05:45 AM »
sige lang i-deny sa comelec ug supreme court ilang petition for party list. kanang grupo nga ANG LADLAD, ilang gustong mahimong partylist group kay maoy mo-represent sa tanang homosexuals (lesbian and gays). nganong magkinahanglan pa man sila ana naa namay daghan nilang kadugo sa congress ug senate. wala lang moladlad.

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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2010, 03:23:26 AM »
These party group is an honest presentation. They have nothing to be afraid of. They deserve to be trusted.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2010, 08:13:14 AM »
Yes, that´s true, God made Man and Woman and nothing in-between. But reality is different, how shall we conform to this difference, they are also creature of God, they have the right to exist.


Very well said Manay! THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST! and i dont think kaning third sex ning exist ra ni sa when the bible has written, they must have existed since the beginning of time im sorry to say that i dont believe all what the bible said.

Again im sorry i dont want to offend those religious people here but i dont think i offended the SPIRITUAL ones.

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 12:59:12 AM »
for my part, angayan tangtangon ang party list sa congress kay redundant ra kaayo sila. naa tinuod nagrepresent sa mga sector nga napasagdan na pero kadaghanan jud nagdoble na. unya ang uban nagpasagad nalang ug himo ug balaod nga advantageous sa ilang group nga nagdefeat sa purpose nganong naa sila diha. kana lang karong bag-ong proposal sa party list nga One, Ako Babaeng Astig Aasenso (1, ABAA) nga butangan ug expiration ang marriage contract.

dakong yama-yama sa balaod ang kaning ilang mga gipanghimo.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2010, 03:58:02 AM »
I highly support a gay/lesbain marriage because it is an expression of human rights. They need to find a secure place in our society without prejudice and malice.
We have some good friends, relatives, lawyers, artists, actors and actress and what have you ( even priests).
A married partnership regardless of sex, same sex will get the right to take care of the partner, to be a righteous heir, and lead a life of their own choosing.

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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2010, 04:33:48 AM »
after ani nga right to gay marriage...right to marry our pets na pod. right?  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2010, 04:39:37 AM »
This really functions well in Germany purwa mananap, Glacier, kagwang ka!
I think we still need a certain amount of threshhold to accept this compromise.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2010, 04:53:23 AM »
why not..anong probs ana? adah oroi kiki na atong country,very religious country kuno
unja why ang uban wla man mo nonot ang kinaiyahan? (not all)-sowe..bato² sa langit..!

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« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2010, 07:22:16 AM »
In my personal opinion, against ko sa gay marriage. If they want a public union, by all means, do what you may. But concerning gay marriages, am in the opposition.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2010, 12:28:17 AM »


of course,gays and lesbians have the right to publicly express thier love and dedication to each other...
marriage is to grant them respect from the public...

but the question is...what might be its effects in the society?





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« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2010, 04:43:00 AM »
why not..anong probs ana? adah oroi kiki na atong country,very religious country kuno
unja why ang uban wla man mo nonot ang kinaiyahan? (not all)-sowe..bato² sa langit..!


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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2010, 04:44:18 AM »
after ani nga right to gay marriage...right to marry our pets na pod. right?  ;D ;D ;D

why do you consider gays an animals now Glace? marrying with pets is closer to marrying gays...

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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2010, 10:51:24 AM »
why do you consider gays an animals now Glace? marrying with pets is closer to marrying gays...

di na boot akong pasabot oy...nila pa don't put your words into my mouth...ako ba...naa namay heterosexual marriage, nya  same-sex marriage ug gay marriage...sunod na pod aning i-propose kung maka-pakasal ba pod ang tawo sa iyang binuhing mananap...kay gatoo kong di ni posible? para nako, naay mosugyot ani...pila pa katuig noon sugod karon...kung uyon ang kalibutan ani o dili, depende na kini sa gipakabili (values) sa mga tawo anang panahona. kung naa naman gani mobilin og katigayonan sa ilang binuhing mananap...ug naa na poy gikasal nga isig-kamananap...sa ato pa, wa nay dili imposibleng buhaton sa mga tawo ron...panahon ray agdun ani. mao pod nis proposal nga gay marriage sa pinas...tumpagon sa jud ninyo ang pagtoo, kredibilidad, hugpong, gipakabili, hunahuna ug uban pa tali sa simbahan ug mga tawo...kung mahitabo na, sayon na lang ang paghimo niini isip balaod sa pilipinas. dili na tungod ba kay religious o dili tang pagkanasud...tungod na kay naa pay mas gipakabili ang mga tawo nga maoy sukaranan sa katilingban nga mao ang KAMATUORAN sa buhat sa kaminyoon...kung America wa pa man gani tanan makadawat aning balaodnon, nagpasabot ba kana nga relihiyoso ning nasura, mdb? o tungod kay naa pay gipakabili ning mga tawo diha nga ilang gipanalipdan ang Kaminyoon?



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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2010, 11:06:24 AM »
Gay relation, okey lang, but No to  marriage.

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2010, 11:20:32 AM »
Am in complete opposition to gay marriage. Marriage is between man and woman. Not man and man as well as woman and woman. Abomination and unnatural. It does not follow natural law.



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« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2010, 11:22:27 AM »
It is simple.

Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."



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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2010, 11:26:46 AM »
di na boot akong pasabot oy...nila pa don't put your words into my mouth...ako ba...naa namay heterosexual marriage, nya  same-sex marriage ug gay marriage...sunod na pod aning i-propose kung maka-pakasal ba pod ang tawo sa iyang binuhing mananap...kay gatoo kong di ni posible? para nako, naay mosugyot ani...pila pa katuig noon sugod karon...kung uyon ang kalibutan ani o dili, depende na kini sa gipakabili (values) sa mga tawo anang panahona. kung naa naman gani mobilin og katigayonan sa ilang binuhing mananap...ug naa na poy gikasal nga isig-kamananap...sa ato pa, wa nay dili imposibleng buhaton sa mga tawo ron...panahon ray agdun ani. mao pod nis proposal nga gay marriage sa pinas...tumpagon sa jud ninyo ang pagtoo, kredibilidad, hugpong, gipakabili, hunahuna ug uban pa tali sa simbahan ug mga tawo...kung mahitabo na, sayon na lang ang paghimo niini isip balaod sa pilipinas. dili na tungod ba kay religious o dili tang pagkanasud...tungod na kay naa pay mas gipakabili ang mga tawo nga maoy sukaranan sa katilingban nga mao ang KAMATUORAN sa buhat sa kaminyoon...kung America wa pa man gani tanan makadawat aning balaodnon, nagpasabot ba kana nga relihiyoso ning nasura, mdb? o tungod kay naa pay gipakabili ning mga tawo diha nga ilang gipanalipdan ang Kaminyoon?



Well stated, ergo, if we support this we see the continued degradation of the sanctified sacrament that is marriage.
Only in uber liberal states does gay marriage receive support. The majority of the United States remains in opposition.

The Philippines, which is actually a conservative nation, will never take kindly to passing this. Where the church has a strong role in the political spectrum.

Additionally, in the United States, this remains a sensitive topic.

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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2010, 11:30:22 AM »
Biblically speaking, the Bible condemns homosexuality as an immoral and unnatural sin. Leviticus 18:22. Whenever there is mention of marriage, it is between a male and a female. The first mention of marriage, Genesis 2:24, describes it as a man leaving his parents and being united to his wife.






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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2010, 11:38:45 AM »
This really functions well in Germany purwa mananap, Glacier, kagwang ka!
I think we still need a certain amount of threshhold to accept this compromise.

hahahaha...pwera mananap sa lang jud bitaw, manay, sa pagkakaron. pero, patuli kog usab kung di ni moguwa pila ka tuig nga moabot. nagka-evolve baya ang mga ideas ug values sa mga tawo karon, labi na tong mga wa magtoo og Ginoo...pagkadaghan nas mga butang nahimo sa kalibutan karon nga sa una giisip nga sayop o dili madawat sa katilingban...kung kahadlok lang ang nagpugong nato nga natinood ni, murag di ni magdugay....maka-asawa jud kog Orangutan..hahaha.

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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2010, 11:45:27 AM »
lol, glacier!
We must take into consideration that it is the Athiest minority that were responsible for the repudiation of the removal of prayers in schools as well as championing the cause to remove the word 'GOD' in all public institutions and governmental edifices. The same minority group that has allied with the lesbian gay movement to implement their crusade to allow gay marriage. Gay unions, have been recognized, but marriages, not so. Since marriage involves private religious orders that are beyond control of government.

The goal here is seeing the twisting and destruction of church-taught human moralism.

In this effect, as we see in liberal europe where there is a decrease in population growth rates, which corresponds to the high levels of homosexuality in said countries. An effect of unnatural unions. How can it be a marriage when there is no offspring created.



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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2010, 12:25:53 PM »
enz, my only position is that it won't be far too impossible for men and women to get into this idea of union or marriage (granting it is) and for men and women to consider this act light years from now...am being sarcastic on this however...how far we can act for our own justification is truly unlimited...sometimes, too much.

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« Reply #43 on: January 22, 2010, 12:29:29 PM »
Para nako, I find it quite absurd for some who are seemingly righteous but support something that is considered an abomination by the Church and by God.

In my heart it is wrong. Absolutely wrong.

Sorry if i will offend anyone in here. But my faith and my God command me to speak Truth.
Di ko scared to speak the Truth because justified man ta in faith and in knowing that we preach the Gospel for HIS Glory.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #44 on: January 22, 2010, 02:37:35 PM »
Naa koy nahinumdoman,si Adan ug Eva giingnan ug ayaw kaon but tungod nga sila naminaw sa snake,sila ni kaon, ug sa pagkaon nila instead nga sila ra ang mo suffer sa effect,pati ang next generation ni suffer. Now, if e allow tanang gusto sa tao,what will happen to the world,not only one will suffer but others too.

1 Point Te. Ang mga tawo gud karon sa kalibutan ara nang ka mga badlungon. Nahimo nang tul-id ang kinahanglan nga balikog ra, aw bali diay, gibalikog ang kinahanglang tul-id kanunay. Man has become too complex that he does not even understand who he is.

Nakapanghinuklog naho ang first lines sa movie nga The God's MUst Be Crazy nga nagaaingon, "Man has made his life so complex that he has to send his sons and daughters to school in order to survive in the environment he has created for them."

Mao ning hasta ang sajop ug balikwaot nga pagtuo itugot na lamang kintahay tungod kay gusto sa kadaghanan. If man will always lean on his weeakness, wa na ko kahibawo ug asa ta paingon ani.

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« Reply #45 on: January 22, 2010, 02:42:10 PM »
First it was artificial contraception, then abortion, then partial-birth abortion, then infanticide,not to mention euthanasia.Now it’s same sex marriage (no transmission of life, no fruit of natural love) and we call it inclusive and just.Every stage of life is under assault by the forces of death.

Gay people are human being and yes they have right to live. Ug gusto nila ug gay marriage naa ra na nila basta di lang pud nila i force ang society nga mosunod sa sinful nilang binuhatan. Mao ni giingon nga ila ning katungod. It is not a right! It is a choice.

In my personal opinion against gyud ko sa Gay Marriage.It is God who decide what sin and what's not.God never gave us multiple choice on sins. He declares what is sin and I must believe Him. Who are we to tell God He is wrong? The bible is clear on Moral Law, it stands today the same as yesterday and generations ago. God never changed Moral Law, what was wrong before is still wrong now. May God have mercy on us, and grant us the courage and strength to act in accordance with the truth.

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« Reply #46 on: January 22, 2010, 02:50:13 PM »
First it was artificial contraception, then abortion, then partial-birth abortion, then infanticide,not to mention euthanasia.Now it’s same sex marriage (no transmission of life, no fruit of natural love) and we call it inclusive and just.Every stage of life is under assault by the forces of death.

Gay people are human being and yes they have right to live. Ug gusto nila ug gay marriage naa ra na nila basta di lang pud nila i force ang society nga mosunod sa sinful nilang binuhatan. Mao ni giingon nga ila ning katungod. It is not a right! It is a choice.

In my personal opinion against gyud ko sa Gay Marriage.It is God who decide what sin and what's not.God never gave us multiple choice on sins. He declares what is sin and I must believe Him. Who are we to tell God He is wrong? The bible is clear on Moral Law, it stands today the same as yesterday and generations ago. God never changed Moral Law, what was wrong before is still wrong now. May God have mercy on us, and grant us the courage and strength to act in accordance with the truth.

“All that evil requires to prosper is that good men remain silent.”

3 Points Shot Te. Sakto kaajo imohang giingon nga ang gay marriage is not right but rather a choice. ;D

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« Reply #47 on: January 22, 2010, 03:15:24 PM »
Homosexuality in general is an immoral sin, and the act and propagation of thereof is an abomination before the eyes of God.

The reason for the decadence of many western nations now is because we have deafened the ears to truth and moral correctness to satiate the liberal left's clamor for 'political correctness'. Ergo, now it is considered 'politically correct' to use the term 'gay' rather, one should use 'same sex'.

The position we are placed in as members of society, is observing the transpiration of our society, namely in the united states. Do we, sacrifice moral correctness for say secular uniformity in accordance to the wishes of the minority? Again, take in example Europe. The continent that is Europe is the sepository of Christianity in that it is in Europe that Roman Catholicism blossomed and spread Christian morality throughout the world; namely: Spanish overseas spread of christianity to the new world, as well as English and French missionary activity in its overseas colonies. We see and notice that Europe has liberalized and has already lost its Christian roots, abandoning it to satiate secularism. Europe's christian/catholic following is dwindling. It is loosing its own cultural root. An effect of uber-liberalism. :)

America, which still remains staunchly christian and conservative, as compared to liberal europe, will remain so for an indefinite time. But we have europe to look at and analyze if we continue on this liberal march.

Its about a moral wrong. Moral wrong and speaking against abomination. It is wrong, therefore do not be afraid to speak against what is wrong.

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« Reply #48 on: January 22, 2010, 03:20:28 PM »
Homosexuality in general is an immoral sin, and the act and propagation of thereof is an abomination before the eyes of God.

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« Reply #49 on: January 22, 2010, 03:27:00 PM »
What does the LORD YOUR GOD say about marriage?

HARK! AND LISTEN TO THE LORD YOUR GOD:

Ephesians. 5:23-32
For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of his body, the church; he gave his life to be her Savior. As the church submits to Christ, so you wives must submit to your husbands in everything.
And you husbands must love your wives with the same love Christ showed the church. He gave up his life for her to make her holy and clean, washed by baptism and God's word. He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault. In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man is actually loving himself when he loves his wife. No one hates his own body but lovingly cares for it, just as Christ cares for his body, which is the church. And we are his body.

As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one." This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.


Now, brothers and sisters, what does your LORD YOUR GOD say about homosexuality and the practice of homosexuality?


Leviticus 18:24, 30
 "Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God."


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Jesus said in John 14:15, 23-24, "If ye love me, keep my commandments. If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings."

So I would say that if you truly love Christ, you would want to do what pleases him. And as we have already read, homosexuality does not please the Lord.

And 1 John 2:4 reads, "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." And 1 John 1:5-6 reads, "God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth."

Christ said that you are either for Him or against Him. You cannot pick and choose the parts of the Bible that you like and then ignore the parts that don't fit your lifestyle. God will give you the strength that you need to overcome your homosexual desires, but you have to love the Lord enough to turn from that sin. You cannot have it both ways. "If we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27). You have read the truth. Are you going to continue wilfully sinning?



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« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2010, 03:43:57 PM »
This funny piro tinuud, going back in our place sa Bohol halos di ta makakita ug same sex nga nag live in kay ang mga tiguwang mag yawyaw ug insakto
piro pag naa ka sa syudad pwersang bulgara naka holding hands pa sila ug manuroy,

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« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2010, 03:45:59 PM »
1 Point Te. Ang mga tawo gud karon sa kalibutan ara nang ka mga badlungon. Nahimo nang tul-id ang kinahanglan nga balikog ra, aw bali diay, gibalikog ang kinahanglang tul-id kanunay. Man has become too complex that he does not even understand who he is.

Nakapanghinuklog naho ang first lines sa movie nga The God's MUst Be Crazy nga nagaaingon, "Man has made his life so complex that he has to send his sons and daughters to school in order to survive in the environment he has created for them."

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Well said.

In effect, the world we live in is ruled by the devil. How do we know this? Because there are many instances in which society in general approves of a wrong.

Brother, we know that the devil is let loose in the world. This world belongs to the devil; he is considered the god of this current world. For this world is already doomed, and only those who listen and do the precepts of the LORD JESUS CHRIST will be saved.

What does SCRIPTURE say about the devil and this world?

2 Corinthians 4:4
 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



But brothers and sisters! Just because the devil rules over this world, does not mean that he has victory over us. No way! Because greater is HE that is in us that he that is in the world!

1 John 4:4
You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.






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« Reply #52 on: January 22, 2010, 03:48:03 PM »
This funny piro tinuud, going back in our place sa Bohol halos di ta makakita ug same sex nga nag live in kay ang mga tiguwang mag yawyaw ug insakto
piro pag naa ka sa syudad pwersang bulgara naka holding hands pa sila ug manuroy,

Naa uban maglips to lips sa public places, just like ordinary lovers in the city would do. Makakugang. ;D

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« Reply #53 on: January 22, 2010, 03:48:32 PM »
This funny piro tinuud, going back in our place sa Bohol halos di ta makakita ug same sex nga nag live in kay ang mga tiguwang mag yawyaw ug insakto
piro pag naa ka sa syudad pwersang bulgara naka holding hands pa sila ug manuroy,

he he he, for me, the 'yaw yaw ' of the elders is correct and justified. I would rather listen to the faithful elders, such as my grandfather than listen to the lies of some people who distort the WORD OF GOD.

Liars and deceivers na uban. They say the believe but they ignore what the LORD GOD declares as an ABOMINATION.

Mo ampo na lang ta para nila.

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« Reply #54 on: January 22, 2010, 03:54:31 PM »
Do you know that homosexuals will not enter heaven?

I am not lying. Scripture declares so!

REPENT!

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. "
--1 Corinthians 6:9-10

REPENT!
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Contrary to what some folks would have you to believe, I know of very few preachers of the gospel who relish the thought of people missing heaven. "Fire and brimstone preachers" they call those who are faithful to the Scriptures and take the warnings therein seriously enough to mention them. Preachers and teachers of this sort are usually characterized as harsh and unloving. Certainly some of them are. But facts are facts and that the Word of God warns that certain types of behavior will cause people to be lost. And isn't it also possible that many of those sounding the warnings are doing so because of genuine concern for others? The liberal "do whatever you choose to do" crowd will deny it, but it is the truth.

It is in the spirit of concern and loyalty to the facts as God has caused them to be stated in His Word that this article is written. It is not intended to make anybody mad. The title suggests that not everybody is going to heaven. Already, we are being too "narrow-minded" for many people. But we shall go even further and get specific, but not any more specific than the Scriptures. So if you do not like some of the specifics, take your argument not to the source of this article, but to the source of the Scriptures upon which this article is based; our Creator.

This mortal life is fleeting and finite.
But ETERNITY is such a long, long time.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #55 on: January 22, 2010, 04:02:13 PM »
ang tawo bungol basta ang hisgotan mao ang PULONG sa DIYOS apan kun ang hisgutan mao ang pagpakasala abtik kaayo tungod kay ang tawo adunay naturalisa sa pagkamakasasala. Dong Bran bisan pa ug mahurot nimo ug post ang bibliya bahin ani nga subject matter dili gyod motuhop kay mao may sundon sa tawo ang naturalisa(old sin nature)

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« Reply #56 on: January 22, 2010, 04:06:15 PM »
According to I CORINTHIANS 6:9-11:

(1) Fornicators shall not inherit the kingdom of God. This term refers to those who engage in sexual activity which God has declared sinful. He has not declared all sexual activity. In fact, He condones and even encourages lawful sexual activity according to His design and purpose (I CORINTHIANS 7:2-4; HEBREWS 13:4). Fornication refers to sexual activity outside of the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. It would include premarital as well as extramarital sexual relationships of whatever duration from a one night stand to an ongoing affair. Such activity was rampant in first century Corinth. It is rampant today in our own society. But it matters not how commonly it is practiced, it is still unrighteous and it will keep one from entering heaven.
(2) Idolaters shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Those who offer to others what belongs unto God are idolaters. A person's idol might be a huge, grotesque image carved out of stone before which he bows. Or it might be his own desires. It is anything that a person adores more than God. Idolatry will keep one from entering heaven.
(3) Adulterers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Adultery seems to be more specific a term than fornication. It is usually limited to sexual unfaithfulness to a marriage partner. Adultery will keep one from entering heaven.
(4) The effeminate shall not enter the kingdom of God. When we see this word, we think of a sissy. But the word goes beyond that. It refers to one who is soft, specifically, to the passive partner in a homosexual relationship. Being effeminate will keep one from entering heaven.
(5) Homosexuals shall not enter the kingdom of God. This word is used twice in the New Testament; in the text we are examining as well as I TIMOTHY 1:10. It denotes one who would take the leading role in a homosexual relationship. It is not fashionable today to suggest that such activity is unrighteous and will keep one out of the kingdom of God, but that is what the Covenant of Jesus Christ says. Practicing homosexuality will keep one from entering heaven.
(6) Thieves shall not enter the kingdom of God. There is no excuse for taking that which rightfully belongs to another. Whether its shoplifting, pilfering, short-changing or armed robbery, fraud and extortion, it is thievery. Whether the person doing the stealing is rich or poor it will still keep one from entering heaven.
(7). The covetous will not enter the kingdom of God. This has to do with having an uncontrollable desire to possess a certain thing. It motivates one into committing sin in order to satisfy greed. Coveting that which belongs to another will keep one from entering heaven.
( 8 ) Drunkards shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Children of God have no need to cloud their perspectives nor dull their senses. We must be able to think and reason clearly. Drunkenness causes one to lose focus and rationality. Those who give themselves over to intoxication will find that it keeps them from entering heaven.
(9) Revilers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. There are many to speak boldly about things that they know little about. Many men and women of God have had to endure reproach for their faith. Not even the Son of God escaped verbal abuse. But they will not have to endure it forever because there will be no revilers in heaven.
(10) Swindlers shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Seducers and smooth talkers of all kinds are included here. The religious con-man belongs to this group as well as the secular. Those who prey on others by trying to take advantage of their misfortune would also be included. Swindlers cannot take their ill-gotten goods with them when they leave this world, nor will they enter heaven.

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« Reply #57 on: January 22, 2010, 04:09:39 PM »
ang tawo bungol basta ang hisgotan mao ang PULONG sa DIYOS apan kun ang hisgutan mao ang pagpakasala abtik kaayo tungod kay ang tawo adunay naturalisa sa pagkamakasasala. Dong Bran bisan pa ug mahurot nimo ug post ang bibliya bahin ani nga subject matter dili gyod motuhop kay mao may sundon sa tawo ang naturalisa(old sin nature)

But we must preach the GOSPEL, ate Lee. We must continue to preach it into its thick nature especially those who are condoning and the propagation lies and utter absolute blasphemies. I read this thread long before I posted. Blasphemy upon blasphemy gi post in the first pages.

May THE RIGHTEOUS LORD REBUKE THEIR LIES!

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ETERNAL GLORY, HONOR, AND PRAISE BE TO THE LORD OF LORDS!
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IN JESUS NAME!
I DECLARE SOLIDARITY AMEN!
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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #58 on: January 22, 2010, 04:18:36 PM »
whatever  you feel against all these would affect your mode in serving people, nan karon asa na ang inyung pagka kristiyanos?

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« Reply #59 on: January 22, 2010, 04:26:10 PM »
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« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2010, 04:33:06 PM »
whatever  you feel against all these would affect your mode in serving people, nan karon asa na ang inyung pagka kristiyanos?

Para naho Maam no, wa man koy against aning mga tawhana, ang aho ang act ug ang proposal nga naay same sex marriage maoy dili sakto. Being gay for themselves is okay naho kay ila man nang kinabuhi and choice na nila pero ang same sex marriage nga makaapekto sa kinatibuk-ang katilingban nga diin tua ko mahimutang, aw lain ang istorya na. ;D

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« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2010, 04:54:36 PM »
We are not hating our brothers and sisters who are stricken with this lifestyle that is an ABOMINATION before God.
We are posting and warning because of our LOVE for them as GOD loves them. We preach and send a message because we want them to be saved, and to correct a wrong.

God wishes all to be saved, it is up to the individual to accept salvation in Jesus Christ and adheres to His Covenant. Or continue with a lifestyle that will send them to the eternal pyre in Hell.



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« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2010, 06:21:34 PM »
Who are we to judge?
God made man and woman, nganong naay b***t/tomboy? God knows what is in our hearts. 
I highly respect these third gender, they should be a normal part of our society, my opinion.

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« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2010, 07:13:11 PM »
Bitaw, naay mosajon-sajon og panghimaraot sa uban tungod sa ilang pagkalahi, pero usahay baja ang naghimaraot mismo aduna puy dakoay nga diperensya...

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« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2010, 10:22:02 PM »
ang tawo bungol basta ang hisgotan mao ang PULONG sa DIYOS apan kun ang hisgutan mao ang pagpakasala abtik kaayo tungod kay ang tawo adunay naturalisa sa pagkamakasasala. Dong Bran bisan pa ug mahurot nimo ug post ang bibliya bahin ani nga subject matter dili gyod motuhop kay mao may sundon sa tawo ang naturalisa(old sin nature)

Ma'am Lee, I agree with you jud regarding the reference to the people who are prone to naturalisa. Bungol jud ang uban.

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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2010, 10:26:56 PM »
Who are we to judge?
God made man and woman, nganong naay b***t/tomboy? God knows what is in our hearts. 
I highly respect these third gender, they should be a normal part of our society, my opinion.

No one is judging, we are reiterating the Word of God. God is the Final Judge.
Additionally, God is the creator of all things, the creation of man and woman. However He is not responsible for one's personal choices, these follow strictly to man's own free will.

It is simple Truth that is found in Scriptural Doctrine. One that the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been preaching since the birth of the Church.



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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2010, 10:45:28 PM »
One that the Holy Roman Catholic Church has been preaching since the birth of the Church.



huh?
wa pa na ang inyong gitawag ug Holy Roman Catholic Church sa birth sa church...

God is even questionable!

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« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2010, 11:12:03 PM »
No one is questioning your right to respect individuals who you term as 'third gender'.

May I also add that there is no such thing as third gender. The continuum of God's Earth has transcribed itself through natural procreative measures. One being XX genetic based (female) or XY genetic based (male).
There can only be 2 sexes, which is responsible for categorization of 'gender'. Throughout God's green earth, male will mate with female to give forth offspring.

It is only man in his need to make sense of things that we have a socially accepted use of the term 'third gender' to give the term gay/homosexual/lesbian/transexual a more 'political correct' term.

The position society is placed here is an example of the quintesential fork in the road. Members in society decide have the freedom to decide where they stand in this issue. Again, there is man's law, but there is a greater Divine Law. :)

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« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2010, 11:15:53 PM »
huh?
wa pa na ang inyong gitawag ug Holy Roman Catholic Church sa birth sa church...

God is even questionable!

To add to that statement, Jas4, even before the Holy Church was established during Pentecost, the Jewish Priests and the Prophets who walked the earth before the WORD MADE FLESH came to the world also preached the sins of homosexuality and its abomination before the Eyes of God.

God hated it so much that he incinerated Sodom and Gomorrha with his Divine Fury.

The Talmud, the basis of the Old Testament, ushers the same message with Church Doctrine regarding this issue.

And to correct you, NO. God is not questionable.

The one who dared to question god was the devil. He was denounced and cast out of heaven.



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« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2010, 11:22:49 PM »
Homosexuality in general is an immoral sin, and the act and propagation of thereof is an abomination before the eyes of God.

The reason for the decadence of many western nations now is because we have deafened the ears to truth and moral correctness to satiate the liberal left's clamor for 'political correctness'. Ergo, now it is considered 'politically correct' to use the term 'gay' rather, one should use 'same sex'.

The position we are placed in as members of society, is observing the transpiration of our society, namely in the united states. Do we, sacrifice moral correctness for say secular uniformity in accordance to the wishes of the minority? Again, take in example Europe. The continent that is Europe is the sepository of Christianity in that it is in Europe that Roman Catholicism blossomed and spread Christian morality throughout the world; namely: Spanish overseas spread of christianity to the new world, as well as English and French missionary activity in its overseas colonies. We see and notice that Europe has liberalized and has already lost its Christian roots, abandoning it to satiate secularism. Europe's christian/catholic following is dwindling. It is loosing its own cultural root. An effect of uber-liberalism. :)

America, which still remains staunchly christian and conservative, as compared to liberal europe, will remain so for an indefinite time. But we have europe to look at and analyze if we continue on this liberal march.

Its about a moral wrong. Moral wrong and speaking against abomination. It is wrong, therefore do not be afraid to speak against what is wrong.

dili man maka-immoral ang pagkahomosexual. ang "sexual promiscuity" sa usa ka tawo ang matawag nga immoral na jud na, para nako. kay gani, kung ang b***t faithful lang sa iyang partner, ok ko ana. pareho ra sab nas managtiayon, ang pagka-promiscuous sa bana o asawa usa ka dakong salaod sa ilang kaminyoon.

pero, gusto ba kog tawgon nga KASAL o MATRIMONY o MARRIAGE ilang panag-uban? ambot.

ako lang, unsa na kaha poy sunod ani lagi nga i-propose nga pwede pakigminyoan. kung atong lilion ang hunahuna sa tawo...aha, kini akong gikatrilingan...daghan ra bag kabayo ring akong silingan...sus! pagka-DAKO...hahahahaha

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2010, 11:23:59 PM »
To add to that statement, Jas4, even before the Holy Church was established during Pentecost, the Jewish Priests and the Prophets who walked the earth before the WORD MADE FLESH came to the world also preached the sins of homosexuality and its abomination before the Eyes of God.

God hated it so much that he incinerated Sodom and Gomorrha with his Divine Fury.

The Talmud, the basis of the Old Testament, ushers the same message with Church Doctrine regarding this issue.

And to correct you, NO. God is not questionable.

The one who dared to question god was the devil. He was denounced and cast out of heaven.



I beg to disagree, your god is questionable.  besides, your only basis is your bible which is also in fact questionable.

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« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2010, 11:24:28 PM »
no one can tell at present the accuracy of the bible...we were not born yesterday but the bible is the living proof of yesterday, that's what the church says...
but on my side,it doesn't matter to me how accurate the bible is...basta it serves as my guide to live a righteous life...just imagine how living life could be without the bible?without the church?

homosexuals are not to blame to what they have become...even science cannot exactly explain why there are gays and lesbians when there should only be straight man and woman...science says it could be due to some factors such as the kind of environment they are living or could be genetics...

pero para sa ako, nganong maglalis pa man ta ani?
enough na man siguro nga nadawat na nato ang ilang pagkasila ug nga girespeto na sila sa katilingban...lisud ipamugos ang unisex marriage coz it would become a war between the church and the homosexual community...dugang-dugang sa kagubot sa kalibutan oi!

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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2010, 11:27:10 PM »
welcome to TB, eiluj_yizari...lisura pod ihilwas imong ngalan..hehehe.

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« Reply #73 on: January 22, 2010, 11:29:22 PM »
welcome to TB, eiluj_yizari...lisura pod ihilwas imong ngalan..hehehe.

klaro julie ang ngalan.


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« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2010, 11:32:00 PM »
if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?

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« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2010, 11:32:54 PM »
pataka ra man na nga pangan kuya glacier

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« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2010, 11:34:53 PM »


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I beg to disagree, your god is questionable.  besides, your only basis is your bible which is also in fact questionable.

pagan ka jas4?

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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2010, 11:35:36 PM »
welcome to TB, eiluj_yizari...lisura pod ihilwas imong ngalan..hehehe.

thanks kuya glacier...

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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2010, 11:36:19 PM »
if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?

christian country??? do you really believe in that crap?
christian country nga bisan sulod sa simbahan naay mangunguot?
christian country nga ang kinabuhi sa usa ka tawo is only worth a nokia 3210 cellphone?

I don't agree with gay marriages.  But I just don't agree when people use christianity as a reason.

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« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2010, 11:37:31 PM »


pagan ka jas4?

wow pagan... if you are referring me as outsider of your christianity, I am.

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« Reply #80 on: January 22, 2010, 11:47:38 PM »
christian country??? do you really believe in that crap?
christian country nga bisan sulod sa simbahan naay mangunguot?
christian country nga ang kinabuhi sa usa ka tawo is only worth a nokia 3210 cellphone?

I don't agree with gay marriages.  But I just don't agree when people use christianity as a reason.

i don't really believe in that christian country thing coz i am not blind not to be aware of the kind of country we are in and the kind of people we are living with in this country but that is what this country claims that the biggest population are christians...i am not even on the side of the church...i am only to imply nga lisud tugkaron ng ilang gipamugos nga gay marriage coz i don't think that the ones seated in the administration mokontra sa gusto sa simbahan...



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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #81 on: January 22, 2010, 11:48:21 PM »
pataka ra man na nga pangan kuya glacier

mura man nig ngalan og artista sa puting tabil, eiluj...

klaro julie ang ngalan.

basin sa. gibali lang. sama sa Julie's Bakeshop. hehehhee...peys jul.



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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2010, 12:05:00 AM »
what pisses me off is when people resurfaces their reluctance to accept the reality that gay people are people, and not something else, and should be accepted fairly as part of the community, not as some sort of plague or horrendous disease. People are talking about giving equality and freedom and harmony among human races, but the truth is, that will never be attained long as we keep questioning ourselves with questions like this one brought up here in this thread.

I feel sick and tired of answering questions like this, but no matter how many times this question is asked, my belief and stand is the same and will never change. Why, in the first place, is it a huge concern whether or not gay marriage should be allowed? Are you people afraid that when it is, things would all end up in eternal damnation? What a crap.

I am not going to say all this because I am "one of them", but because this is what I see around us, this is what I observe, this is what I realize after much weighing in, and this is what I believe:

Gay people deserve to be happy, just like anybody else on this planet. Who dares to say he or she has the power to say what is right and what is wrong, what is accepted or what is not allowed. People create rules and laws for themselves, and using God to justify everything they impose and throw in at each other. Showing how much you love someone and appreciating the love you receive is what every human being should freely do; it just happen that some men fall in love with other men, and some women fall in love with another woman. Didn't I see what's wrong in it? No, I see nothing's wrong with it. It's just us people who set norms and standards, and when some people don't follow it, they condemn them. For those gay people, I salute them for being brave, for defying the dictation of the society around them, and for following what they believe is right for them, and what they believe could give them endless happiness...and that's their right...if that's what they want and need, then who are we to tell them shut up?

This is my insight. This is my view. This is my stand. I am not attacking anyone, any religion, any groups, any entities.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2010, 12:10:02 AM »
basin sa. gibali lang. sama sa Julie's Bakeshop. hehehhee...peys jul.


ok lang kuya glacier...naanad nako pagatawagon ana..hehehe

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« Reply #84 on: January 23, 2010, 12:11:06 AM »
if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?
if we are to impose gay marriage,then we are to change this christian country into a non-christian country...lisud? o sayon?
gapataka raman ka siguro inday, nganong a wad-on man nang religion og magpa kasal kaming mga b***t nga mismo sa mga pari daghang man kaayong b***t,  magpa salamat ko nga wa ko magpuyo diha si lugar ninyo kay dili un ta ko ma kasal.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #85 on: January 23, 2010, 12:28:28 AM »
gapataka raman ka siguro inday, nganong a wad-on man nang religion og magpa kasal kaming mga b***t nga mismo sa mga pari daghang man kaayong b***t,  magpa salamat ko nga wa ko magpuyo diha si lugar ninyo kay dili un ta ko ma kasal.

i am to correct you that i am not personally against unisex marriage...but i only see this country nga lisud sa pagtugot ana tungod kay ang gobyerno nakadepende sad sa simbahan..naa sa ila ang problema...nga siguro ug dili lang ni christian country,matud pa, dili siguro na lisud aprobahan..
tinuod daghang pari nga b***t pero kung kining mga paria if gustong magpakasal, kinahanglan man siguro silang mogawas sa pagkapari...
i don't have the right to condemned nor say what's best for the homosexuals coz even I, myself is full of imperfections...


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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #86 on: January 23, 2010, 12:44:22 AM »
suma sa imong giingon nga og tugotan ang kasal sa same sex wad-on na lang ang religion, sa ako lang unsa man labot sa religion og magpa kasal ming mga b***t... nga ang kasal namong mga b***t di man sa simbahan

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #87 on: January 23, 2010, 01:13:41 AM »
Ang maayo ana nga solosyon nga dili na lang magpakasal aron walay labad sa ulo.

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« Reply #88 on: January 23, 2010, 01:22:16 AM »
sakto pod ka bai' wa na juy lalis

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2010, 01:28:04 AM »
what pisses me off is when people resurfaces their reluctance to accept the reality that gay people are people, and not something else, and should be accepted fairly as part of the community, not as some sort of plague or horrendous disease. People are talking about giving equality and freedom and harmony among human races, but the truth is, that will never be attained long as we keep questioning ourselves with questions like this one brought up here in this thread.

I feel sick and tired of answering questions like this, but no matter how many times this question is asked, my belief and stand is the same and will never change. Why, in the first place, is it a huge concern whether or not gay marriage should be allowed? Are you people afraid that when it is, things would all end up in eternal damnation? What a crap.

I am not going to say all this because I am "one of them", but because this is what I see around us, this is what I observe, this is what I realize after much weighing in, and this is what I believe:

Gay people deserve to be happy, just like anybody else on this planet. Who dares to say he or she has the power to say what is right and what is wrong, what is accepted or what is not allowed. People create rules and laws for themselves, and using God to justify everything they impose and throw in at each other. Showing how much you love someone and appreciating the love you receive is what every human being should freely do; it just happen that some men fall in love with other men, and some women fall in love with another woman. Didn't I see what's wrong in it? No, I see nothing's wrong with it. It's just us people who set norms and standards, and when some people don't follow it, they condemn them. For those gay people, I salute them for being brave, for defying the dictation of the society around them, and for following what they believe is right for them, and what they believe could give them endless happiness...and that's their right...if that's what they want and need, then who are we to tell them shut up?

This is my insight. This is my view. This is my stand. I am not attacking anyone, any religion, any groups, any entities.

Good evening.

that's true, WarWick, everybody deserves happiness.

too bad, our society is not as simple as it is, where we can just go in and ask what we want or need because we deserve it. like, "i love you, will you marry me?" and there, in split seconds, you have it. for even in the simplest of relationships, acceptance demands time and has to take lots of arguing, making up and letting go. human beings don't grow like other animals. it takes us weeks before we start to walk, and months to talk, years to understand and centuries to form a nation.

however we see this country, the introduction of something not inherent to the culture and norms of this people formed by centuries of religion, conflicts, adaptations, struggles and faith is simply presumptuous. some people should realize we're still a fundamentally heterosexually-oriented community. if this people has to stand against same-sex marriage, it is not to disrespect their orientations as gays and lesbians, or to treat them as disease of the society. it is for me to protect the long-held traditions and institutions of the people, which has been a seminal to their being. i guess this side is where respect should start and not from the other side.

for me it will come. only time can tell. this move should first prove itself as empowering rather than divisive to the fabric of our society. it needs more than education, it needs trust in each other. it should not just point to the vision of happiness; it should also point to the future of mankind and of our future children. good night!





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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2010, 01:29:40 AM »
Ang maayo ana nga solosyon nga dili na lang magpakasal aron walay labad sa ulo.

hahahhaaaa, naa gihapon oy...mao bitaw nang mangita og lain kay galabad na ang ulo ug ang laing ulo pa jud.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2010, 01:34:03 AM »
sa akong lang obserba wa may problema ang gay marriage wa may samok, diha lang sa taoa permi lang gamiton ang ngan sa ginoo.


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« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2010, 01:42:19 AM »
sa akong lang obserba wa may problema ang gay marriage wa may samok, diha lang sa taoa permi lang gamiton ang ngan sa ginoo.


wala bitaw. bisan sa ato. sumala gud sa pinas og nakasamok ba ang mga b***t. mao pa man ganiy nagdala og bibo sa mga coronation ug mga programa. kusog pa man gani mosimba nang uban kay kanato.

ug di man tingali ni ila pagsamok-samok kung nangayo sila og recognition. wa pa lang sila masabti ug di pod sayon dawaton ilang gipangayo.

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2010, 01:45:58 AM »
sa akong lang obserba wa may problema ang gay marriage wa may samok, diha lang sa taoa permi lang gamiton ang ngan sa ginoo.


in everything... gamiton as an alibi!!!  mura'g kinsa nga mga limpyo...

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« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2010, 01:53:04 AM »
no one can tell at present the accuracy of the bible...we were not born yesterday but the bible is the living proof of yesterday, that's what the church says...
but on my side,it doesn't matter to me how accurate the bible is...basta it serves as my guide to live a righteous life...just imagine how living life could be without the bible?without the church?

homosexuals are not to blame to what they have become...even science cannot exactly explain why there are gays and lesbians when there should only be straight man and woman...science says it could be due to some factors such as the kind of environment they are living or could be genetics...

pero para sa ako, nganong maglalis pa man ta ani?
enough na man siguro nga nadawat na nato ang ilang pagkasila ug nga girespeto na sila sa katilingban...lisud ipamugos ang unisex marriage coz it would become a war between the church and the homosexual community...dugang-dugang sa kagubot sa kalibutan oi!

pasabta ra gud ko, unsa man rason ani nga mga gays ba nganong gusto nilang makasal sad sila?


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« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2010, 01:54:19 AM »
in everything... gamiton as an alibi!!!  mura'g kinsa nga mga limpyo...

hehehe. basin dili "alibi" ana ang tawag, bay jas. ila lang nang sandiganan. kay mosango man jud ning isyuha dihang dapita. murag bag mga engineers, nga naay design nga tulay, ilang gisandigan ang standards aron dili maputol nang tulay inig agi sa kabaw.

apan baya, kung tan-awon kining ilang gitawag nga "alibi" pwede baya pod ning gamiton as the "weapon" of the opposite side to make a point. kay kung sabton jud ang Ginoo (ug naa man galing), ngano gung di man Siya modawat ug mosabot aning butanga nga iya ra man tang binuhat tanan, di ba?

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2010, 02:02:45 AM »
hehehe. basin dili "alibi" ana ang tawag, bay jas. ila lang nang sandiganan. kay mosango man jud ning isyuha dihang dapita. murag bag mga engineers, nga naay design nga tulay, ilang gisandigan ang standards aron dili maputol nang tulay inig agi sa kabaw.

apan baya, kung tan-awon kining ilang gitawag nga "alibi" pwede baya pod ning gamiton as the "weapon" of the opposite side to make a point. kay kung sabton jud ang Ginoo (ug naa man galing), ngano gung di man Siya modawat ug mosabot aning butanga nga iya ra man tang binuhat tanan, di ba?

your analogy with church and engineers layo ra...

mas matunong pa siguro ang tsapa.  bisan sayop na ang binuhatan sa pulis kay naa man lagi tsapa, hala larga!

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Re: Can we tolerate a gay marriage in our country?
« Reply #97 on: January 23, 2010, 02:03:03 AM »


First, legal and ecclesiastical embrace of homosexual unions is more likely to undermine the institution of marriage and produce other negative effects than it is to make fidelity and longevity the norm for homosexual unions. We will come back to this later.

Second, and even more importantly, homosexual unions are not wrong primarily because of their disproportionately high incidence of promiscuity (especially among males) and breakups (especially among females). They are wrong because “gay marriage” is a contradiction in terms. As with consensual adult incest and polyamory, considerations of commitment and fidelity factor only after certain structural prerequisites are met.

The vision of marriage found in the Jewish and Christian Scriptures is one of reuniting male and female into an integrated sexual whole. Marriage is not just about more intimacy and sharing one’s life with another in a lifelong partnership. It is about sexual merger—or, in Scripture’s understanding, re-merger—of essential maleness and femaleness.     

The creation story in Genesis 2:18-24 illustrates this point beautifully. An originally binary, or sexually undifferentiated, adam (“earthling”) is split down the “side” (a better translation of Hebrew tsela than “rib”) to form two sexually differentiated persons. Marriage is pictured as the reunion of the two constituent parts or “other halves,” man and woman.

This is not an optional or minor feature of the story. Since the only difference created by the splitting is a differentiation into two distinct sexes, the only way to reconstitute the sexual whole, on the level of erotic intimacy, is to bring together the split parts. A same-sex erotic relationship can never constitute a marriage because it will always lack the requisite sexual counterparts or complements.

By definition homosexual desire is sexual narcissism or sexual self-deception. There is either (1) a conscious recognition that one desires in another what one already is and has as a sexual being (anatomy, physiology, sex-based traits) or (2) a self-delusion of sorts in which the sexual same is perceived as some kind of sexual other. As one ancient text puts it, “seeing themselves in one another they were ashamed neither of what they were doing nor of what they were having done to them” (Pseudo-Lucian, Affairs of the Heart 20). The modern word “homosexual”—from the Greek homoios, “like” or “same”—underscores this self-evident desire for the essential sexual self shared in common with one’s partner.

     I am not talking merely about what some prohomosex advocates derisively refer to as an “obsession with plumbing.” I am talking about a fundamental recognition of something holistic, an essential maleness and an essential femaleness. Why else would 99% of all persons in the United States (97% heterosexual, 2% homosexual) limit their selection of mates to persons of a particular sex? Why else do so many “gays” claim exclusive attraction for persons of the same sex rather than, say, gender nonconforming persons of the other sex? All this indicates a basic societal admission that there is an essential and holistic maleness and femaleness that transcend mere social constructs.

In this connection, too, it is interesting that homosexual men, even those who bear effeminate traits, usually desire very “masculine” men as their sex partners. Why? Undoubtedly many desire what they see as lacking in themselves: a strong masculine quality. Such a desire is really a form of self-delusion. They are already men, already masculine. They are masculine by virtue of their sex, not by virtue of possessing a social construct of masculinity that may or may not reflect true masculinity. They need not seek completion in a sexual same. Rather, they must come to terms with their essential masculinity.

In sum, why is “gay marriage” wrong? Most importantly, the idea of “gay marriage” is an oxymoron and a rejection of a core value in Judeo-Christian sexual ethics. Marriage requires the two sexes to reconstitute a sexual whole. By definition same-sex erotic attraction is predicated either on the narcissism of being attracted to what one is as a sexual being or on the delusion that one needs to merge with another of the same sex to complete one’s own sexual deficiencies. Arguing that we should grant marriage status to homosexually inclined persons to avert promiscuity is like insisting that we grant marriage status to adult incestuous or polygamous unions to promote relational longevity. It doesn’t address the main problem with this particular kind of sexual immorality.

But “gay marriage” is also wrong because it will more likely weaken the institution of marriage than moderate the typical excesses of homosexual behavior. The dominant rhetoric of “gay marriage” severs marriage from childbearing and, not surprisingly, leads to more out-of-wedlock births in the population as a whole. The fact that relatively few homosexual couples will get married precludes from the outset any major positive impact on homosexual behavior. Those that do get married will still experience extraordinarily high rates of outside sex partners and divorce, owing to the absence of complementary male-female dynamics. The result will be a further devaluation of monogamy and permanence for the institution of marriage.

Finally, “gay marriage” will bring about the ultimate demise of structural prerequisites for marriage (for example, as regards “plural unions” and adult incest) by making affection the ultimate trump card; increase the incidence of bisexuality and homosexuality in the population and thereby expose more young persons to their negative side-effects for health; and lead to the radical abridgement of the civil and religious liberties of our children, to the point of prosecuting any public expressions of misgivings regarding the active promotion of homosexual practice.



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« Reply #98 on: January 23, 2010, 02:08:58 AM »
Added to what was stated above;


Third, “gay marriage,” as the ultimate legal sanctioning of homosexual behavior, will bring with it a wave of intolerance toward, and attack on the civil liberties of, those who publicly express disapproval of homosexual practice (see Alan Sears and Craig Osten, The Homosexual Agenda). The latter will be regarded, legally and morally, as the equivalent of virulent racists. In the civil sphere, they will see their, and their children’s, educational opportunities, gainful employment, and even freedom from incarceration put at increasing risk. Christian colleges and seminaries will risk losing their tax-exempt status, access to federal grants and student loans, and ultimately accreditation itself. Public schools will intensify their indoctrination of children into the acceptability of homosexual unions and single out for ridicule any who question this agenda—from kindergarten on. Parents’ rights in instilling moral values in their children will be abridged. Indeed, the state could remove self-professed gay and lesbian children from parents who express moral disapproval of homosexual practice on the pretense of “child abuse.” Mainline denominations will comply with societal trends by refusing to ordain “heterosexists” and disciplining heterosexist clergy and ostracizing heterosexist members. Since approval of homosexual practice can only occur at the cost of marginalizing Scripture, the trend will be toward a hard-left radicalization of mainline denominations.



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« Reply #99 on: January 23, 2010, 02:10:17 AM »
your analogy with church and engineers layo ra...

mas matunong pa siguro ang tsapa.  bisan sayop na ang binuhatan sa pulis kay naa man lagi tsapa, hala larga!

di man pod baya tanang pulis, ingon ana. so sayop gihapon ka.

lain pod nimong sayop kay wa ko magkumpara sa Simbahan ug engineers...gakompara kos gitawag nimo nga "alibi"(Ginoo man tingali imong pasabot ana.). sa mga simbahan, ilang "alibi" ning Ginoo. sa engineers, standards of construction. which i said should be appropriately called "gisandigan" sa ilang rason.

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