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No Yoga for Christians? What do you think?
« on: October 11, 2010, 05:35:28 AM »

No Yoga for Christians?

Reported by: Mike Lyons, WTLV-TV
Sunday, October 10 2010



A Southern Baptist theologian is calling on Christians to forego yoga.

Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler says the stretching and meditative discipline derived from Eastern religions is not a Christian pathway to God.

Mohler said he objects to "the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine."

Joan Goldsmith of Jacksonville, Florida is a Christian and a yoga participant for 9 years.

"The Bible says your body is a temple of God. You should exercise and keep it looking good. God is a part of my whole day, he's everywhere, I do everything with him looking over me I hope. I see no contradiction at all," said Goldsmith.

Alyson Foreacre is a yoga instructor.

She says if you choose to make it a spiritual practice then it is up to you.

"Teachers are not guiding people away from spiritual faith, that is absolutely not the case and I have been in thousands of classes," said Foreacre. "It has given me a greater sense of faith by far and I have seen it over and over again on the floor. I know if it can help me it can help anyone."


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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2010, 10:15:16 AM »
Dugay na bitaw ko gisultihan ani sa among pari nga part of eastern hindu religion ang yoga so dapat daw i avoid ug mahimo. Naa man goy murag ihurim hurim ning magyuga ta mao ako na siya i skip ang hurim hurim heheheh. Ok ra mag exercise sunod ra yuga pero ang magsunod sa murag chant ug prayer ba na nila nga wa ta kasabot unsay meaning mao na dapat i skip.

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2010, 10:58:35 AM »
He he, wa ra man pud seguroy dautan sa hurim hurim kay wa man masabti...

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2010, 11:09:54 AM »
Ug uroy sa tanto natong sunod sa chant nga hurim hurim molotaw atong lawas unya moinat ug maayo na maoy ray ikaimpas ug unsaon pagbalik.heheheh Di ba kaha sa tantong concentrate sa yoga motungha ang master guru kay wa man ta kasabot sa unsay atong gihurimhurim.

Di lang lisod espelingon ning hurim hurim aning yoga lisod pud litokon mao nga ako ning laktawan ehhehehe mao dagway wa effect naho ang yoga.

Om Om Om
Om Thryambakam Yajaamahe
Sugandhim Pushti-Vardhanam
Urvaarukamiva Bandhanaan
Mruthyor Muksheeya Maamruthath.

Om Namah Sivaaya Gurave
Satchidaananda Moorthaye
Nish Prapanjaaya Shaanthaaya
Niraalambaaya Thejase.


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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2010, 11:19:31 AM »
I don't do yoga and too lazy to exercise. I believe stretching exercises (like yoga) are beneficial to the body. But I don't think Christians should be chanting words they don't understand especially if it involves focusing your mind on them.


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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2010, 11:53:35 AM »

it looks like another one of those conclusions about things that one doesn't know much about.  i believe this is called bias?  like bias against islam?

yoga is simply a discipline, not a religion.  it just happens to be practiced first by hindus, and buddhists to some extent, especially the meditation part.  these two happen to be wisdom religions, not monotheistic ones like christianity, islam, and judaism.

if this theologian believes that yoga as a discipline should not be practiced by christians, then should he also advice against the disciplines of tae bo, aikido or kung fu. 

i've practiced yoga and light meditation before.  i can honestly say that there's nothing in these two that are against any credo and practice of my christian faith.  far from replacing my beliefs, the practice had even enhanced my understanding of my own catholic christian religion.

it looks like mohler as a theologian has forgotten that all major religions come from the east.



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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 12:09:34 PM »
hehe and these are the type of christians that claim Catholics are going to burn in hell for idolatry. Ah, must I even add that the bible that this preacher is reading is the incomplete form? Oh Mohler, please, please.

It's like some Mormons telling Catholics not to have child baptism because of it being unbiblical. Nonsense.

This article is ludicrous. The art of yoga is a meditation form, if you claim to be a practicing Christian you should be fine if you practice the yoga art form so long as you don't start reciting and believing in the Bhagavad Gita or any of the Hindu religious texts that may be contrary to your own individual faith. I'm a red belt in Tae Kwon Do, but does it mean that I'm a Mahayana Buddhist (since the monks that practiced Tae Kwon Do were Mahayana Buddhists)? Of course not. You practice the art, not the religion linked to it. Differentiate the dichotomy between it.



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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2010, 12:17:28 PM »
Addendum:


The Roman Catholic Church invented the Collegiate System. They invented the Collegium , the University system.
Now, does that mean that all students who attend a university have to be Catholic? Of course not.

Ahmed Mustafa Ibn Muhammad in the University of Istanbul isn't a Catholic because he attends a collegiate system. (emphasis on the name, as a point).

The Protestant Christians that go to college & university does not make them Catholics because they are attending a Catholic-invented/ catholic-organized educational concept. Because they have separated the form and the religion linked to it.

Same thing applies.

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2010, 12:24:06 PM »

and let me add to your easy-to-understand post, lorenz.  it was muslims who introduced the idea of taking a bath to christian europe.  is the world muslim now because we all (more or less) take a bath? ;D

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2010, 12:41:54 PM »
Ug uroy sa tanto natong sunod sa chant nga hurim hurim molotaw atong lawas unya moinat ug maayo na maoy ray ikaimpas ug unsaon pagbalik.heheheh Di ba kaha sa tantong concentrate sa yoga motungha ang master guru kay wa man ta kasabot sa unsay atong gihurimhurim.

Di lang lisod espelingon ning hurim hurim aning yoga lisod pud litokon mao nga ako ning laktawan ehhehehe mao dagway wa effect naho ang yoga.

Om Om Om
Om Thryambakam Yajaamahe
Sugandhim Pushti-Vardhanam
Urvaarukamiva Bandhanaan
Mruthyor Muksheeya Maamruthath.

Om Namah Sivaaya Gurave
Satchidaananda Moorthaye
Nish Prapanjaaya Shaanthaaya
Niraalambaaya Thejase.


di ko familiar sa whole text ani nga hurim-hurim, raqz.  wa tingali ni kinahanglana sa specific practice nga akong gisunod (light meditation).  pero nigamit ug chant nga 'om' or 'aum' only to help settle the mind and body.  the letter 'm' at the end of a syllable has the most number of vibrations (or resonance) when it comes to sound, thus it's soothing.  compare it to mama, where there's no vibration because the letter 'm' is at the beginning of the syllable.  (stretch the word 'ma' and one might as well be a goat.)  i knew then that one can use any word that one is comfortable with.  one need not even use any word or chant at all.

i tried 'god'; the d has no vibration.  'father' is out of the question because of the letter r at the end, which doesn't help the mind and body 'settle down' especially when the 'r' is rolled.

incidentally, in sanskrit om or aum simply means god or creator at its most basic.  no religion is specified in the meaning, just like our 'diyos' or 'bathala' or 'god'. 

     

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2010, 12:42:01 PM »
LoL.

Heck No! :P (my answer to Isle's cute rhetorical question)



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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2010, 12:48:36 PM »

i found this simple explanation of om.  let me share it thus:

The Meaning of Om    

The ancient syllable "OM" is the shortest of the Mantras and in Indian tradition it is a word suggestive of God.

The scriptures tell us that "OM" is the planets primordial vibration from which the entire universe has arisen. All other sounds are contained within it.

It is believed that "OM" is the mother of all languages. Repetition of "OM" enables us to maintain mental and emotional calmness, overcome obstacles and enable understanding.

An analysis of "OM" as it is written in Sanskrit shows that it is made up of A, U, M and a symbol representing resonance. So "OM" has four aspects.

The first is A, a sound that comes from the belly, is formed in the open throat, and is voiced with the mouth open. As with many alphabets, A is the first letter of the Sanskrit alphabet.

The second aspect is the U, a sound that is formed in the middle of the mouth. The mouth is not as wide as it is for sounding the A.

With the third sound, M the mouth closes. The sound rises to the nasal passages, from where the resonance, the forth aspect of "OM" issues forth.

It is said that A represents the waking state, U the dream state, and M the state of deep dreamless sleep. The fourth state is the sounds in the resonance following M.

Saying "OM" is actually a form of meditation.

(Acknowledgement: T.K.V Desikachar, The Heart of Yoga)   
 


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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2010, 12:52:57 PM »
I don't do yoga and too lazy to exercise. I believe stretching exercises (like yoga) are beneficial to the body. But I don't think Christians should be chanting words they don't understand especially if it involves focusing your mind on them.

i love gregorian chants and high mass in latin.  i don't understand them either. :)

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2010, 12:59:31 PM »
i found this simple explanation of om.  let me share it thus:

The Meaning of Om    

The ancient syllable "OM" is the shortest of the Mantras and in Indian tradition it is a word suggestive of God.

The scriptures tell us that "OM" is the planets primordial vibration from which the entire universe has arisen. All other sounds are contained within it.

It is believed that "OM" is the mother of all languages. Repetition of "OM" enables us to maintain mental and emotional calmness, overcome obstacles and enable understanding.

An analysis of "OM" as it is written in Sanskrit shows that it is made up of A, U, M and a symbol representing resonance. So "OM" has four aspects.

The first is A, a sound that comes from the belly, is formed in the open throat, and is voiced with the mouth open. As with many alphabets, A is the first letter of the Sanskrit alphabet.

The second aspect is the U, a sound that is formed in the middle of the mouth. The mouth is not as wide as it is for sounding the A.

With the third sound, M the mouth closes. The sound rises to the nasal passages, from where the resonance, the forth aspect of "OM" issues forth.

It is said that A represents the waking state, U the dream state, and M the state of deep dreamless sleep. The fourth state is the sounds in the resonance following M.

Saying "OM" is actually a form of meditation.

(Acknowledgement: T.K.V Desikachar, The Heart of Yoga)   
 


In the Hindu religion, OM is the representation of the Impersonal Absolute Creator of Worlds: Brahma. The Hindu Creator god.

The goal which all the Vedas declare, which all austerities aim at, and which men desire when they lead the life of continence … is Om. This syllable Om is indeed Brahman. Whosoever knows this syllable obtains all that he desires. This is the best support; this is the highest support. Whosoever knows this support is adored in the world of Brahma."
~ Katha Upanishad I

Hindus believe that OM was the very sound that Brahma ushered when he created creation (in the Hindu sense of creation, not the Christian sense).

But then again, many Hindus believe that the Christian Father God is the same as Brahma and Brahma is the same as Allah (in Islam). The same way as how some neo-Hindus will claim that Jesus Christ was an avatar of Brahma.

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2010, 01:59:22 PM »
Om Om Om
Om Thryambakam Yajaamahe
Sugandhim Pushti-Vardhanam
Urvaarukamiva Bandhanaan
Mruthyor Muksheeya Maamruthath.

Om Namah Sivaaya Gurave
Satchidaananda Moorthaye
Nish Prapanjaaya Shaanthaaya
Niraalambaaya Thejase.


Naay Binisaya nga chant nga medyo lisod pud sabton pero masabtan ra kadugayan...


Om om om om om om
Tu waymo day itak om
Ka miraba kaygi gut om
Ma onya naya mongis oms om


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« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2010, 03:05:25 PM »
Naay Binisaya nga chant nga medyo lisod pud sabton pero masabtan ra kadugayan...


Om om om om om om
Tu waymo day itak om
Ka miraba kaygi gut om
Ma onya naya mongis oms om


 ;D

nyahahha...dili kaha mangambak sa bentana imong mga sagabay kon magsugod na ka'g yawyaw? ;D

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« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2010, 03:09:44 PM »
nyahahha...dili kaha mangambak sa bentana imong mga sagabay kon magsugod na ka'g yawyaw? ;D

He he, naay daghang berso nga ingon ini nga pag-hypnotize og chicks...  8)

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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2010, 03:14:37 PM »
He he, naay daghang berso nga ingon ini nga pag-hypnotize og chicks...  8)

tudlo-e nya ko'g balig usa ka linya.. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2010, 03:17:29 PM »
tudlo-e nya ko'g balig usa ka linya.. ;)

Tan-awon nakog kahinumdom pa ba ko. Dugay-dugay na man gud to nakong wa kinahanglana...

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« Reply #19 on: October 11, 2010, 03:19:41 PM »
Tan-awon nakog kahinumdom pa ba ko. Dugay-dugay na man gud to nakong wa kinahanglana...

o sige...ang mapa nalang.. ;D

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« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2010, 03:25:30 PM »
o sige...ang mapa nalang.. ;D

Sigi, suwayan nakog download...  ;D

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« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2010, 04:43:42 PM »
Naay Binisaya nga chant nga medyo lisod pud sabton pero masabtan ra kadugayan...

Om om om om om om
Tu waymo day itak om
Ka miraba kaygi gut om
Ma onya naya mongis oms om

 ;D

dia na pod.  sudlan na gani ug hanggaw nga hubsay, expect the thread to go in any direction.  na, hala, have it your way... mao man poy dagan sa mga thread ba (gawas atong bahin ug receipts kay rabid man kaayo si cheers). ;D 

klarohon nato ang klaro nang daan:

Om om om om om om
Tu waymo day itak om           /  Tuway mo day itak-om
Ka miraba kaygi gut om          /  Kami ra ba kay gigutom
Ma onya naya mongis oms om /  Mao unya nay among isomsom

di tawon mi mailad no?  haraw, mahimo mong tuway! ;D


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« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2010, 04:45:27 PM »
nyahahha...dili kaha mangambak sa bentana imong mga sagabay kon magsugod na ka'g yawyaw? ;D

mangambak tuod, aron mokuha ug pinuti kay balikan mo. ;D

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« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2010, 05:00:20 PM »
di tawon mi mailad no?  haraw, mahimo mong tuway! ;D

Kini pang-yoga lang gihapon pero medyo lisod-lisod na kay naa nay phonetic shift, he he...


Om im day om dang om a anangim om yoga yoga
Om arik a ugang ah om la gayma oy yog yoga


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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2010, 05:04:04 PM »
Kini pang-yoga lang gihapon pero medyo lisod-lisod na kay naa nay phonetic shift, he he...


Om im day om dang om a anangim om yoga yoga
Om arik a ugang ah om la gayma oy yog yoga


 ;D


mag praktis ko ani... ;D

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« Reply #25 on: October 11, 2010, 05:13:40 PM »
Kini pang-yoga lang gihapon pero medyo lisod-lisod na kay naa nay phonetic shift, he he...

Om im day om dang om a anangim om yoga yoga
Om arik a ugang ah om la gayma oy yog yoga ;D   

Om im day om dang om a anangim om yoga yoga  / om inday ondanga na imong yoga yoga
Om arik a ugang ah om la gayma oy yog yoga      / omari ka ug ang among lagay maoy yogyoga

gibirok ay. ;D

mag praktis ko ani... ;D

na, mosunod gyod ka sa imong igsu ug birok no? ;D



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Re: No Yoga for Christians? What do you think?
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2010, 05:19:08 PM »
na, mosunod gyod ka sa imong igsu ug birok no? ;D


hehehe.....mura diayg apostoles......iglesia ni HUbag? ;D



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« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2010, 05:22:07 PM »

hehehe.....mura diayg apostoles......iglesia ni HUbag? ;D



Bwahaha! Kining iglesyaha klaro nga gitugot ang pagkaon og dugo!  :-X

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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2010, 05:24:31 PM »
na, mosunod gyod ka sa imong igsu ug birok no? ;D

Hmm, maayo man diayng moyogyog moyoga nis Ms. Isle...  :-X

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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2010, 05:24:58 PM »
Bwahaha! Kining iglesyaha klaro nga gitugot ang pagkaon og dugo!  :-X

isulat gyud na aron opisyal nga mapatik ug mabatasan sa kadaghanan nga membro sa kongregasyon. ;D

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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2010, 05:43:06 PM »
Hmm, maayo man diayng moyogyog moyoga nis Ms. Isle...  :-X

mas maayo ko mobirok. ::)

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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2010, 05:44:27 PM »
isulat gyud na aron opisyal nga mapatik ug mabatasan sa kadaghanan nga membro sa kongregasyon. ;D

hahaha!  mahadlok mabirok, giilisan ug dali-dali iyahang avatar aron di siya mailhan. ;D

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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2010, 05:48:17 PM »
Om im day om dang om a anangim om yoga yoga  / om inday ondanga na imong yoga yoga
Om arik a ugang ah om la gayma oy yog yoga      / omari ka ug ang among lagay maoy yogyoga

gibirok ay. ;D

na, mosunod gyod ka sa imong igsu ug birok no? ;D



 ;D  Si Bay Bolbohol kaha bisag membro na ni Bay Hubs, kay murag anad pod to ug hurim hurim.   ;D

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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2010, 05:59:49 PM »
isulat gyud na aron opisyal nga mapatik ug mabatasan sa kadaghanan nga membro sa kongregasyon. ;D

Sa akong pangagpas daghan na uyamot ang naghimo sa ingon, apan mas epektibo kon isukip sa ebanghelyo...  ;D

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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2010, 07:02:43 PM »
mas maayo ko mobirok. ::)

Hala! Mangumot diayg itlog! Ms. Isle in action...





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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2010, 07:06:40 PM »
Hala! Mangumot diayg itlog! Ms. Isle in action...





 :o



hahaha, luckybelle, tug-an sa tinuod kun di ba na ikaw.  si vito andoline na no? ;D


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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2010, 07:12:40 PM »
hahaha, luckybelle, tug-an sa tinuod kun di ba na ikaw.  si vito andoline na no? ;D


Bwahaha! Dalia rang nakapahid!  ;D

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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2010, 07:15:37 PM »
Bwahaha! Dalia rang nakapahid!  ;D

kun mao niy imong paagig pagtug-an nga ikaw diay ni, na, hala, motuo na lang ko.  cute man diay ka, bai hubs, bisan gibirok. ;D 

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