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« Reply #120 on: January 22, 2008, 03:17:22 AM »
Mag lana na lang ko ug putot, Lin! ;D

hahaha abtan kag buwan ana day grazie...

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« Reply #121 on: January 22, 2008, 03:27:12 AM »
hahahaha di siguro na mahitabo Manong Lin oi na ang mga Pinay makipagshare ug bana - or at least not knowingly like the muslims...

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« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2008, 03:31:10 AM »
hahahaha di siguro na mahitabo Manong Lin oi na ang mga Pinay makipagshare ug bana - or at least not knowingly like the muslims...

unya unsaon naman gyud pananglitan kon moabot ang panahon kay karon panahuna outnumbered man gyud ang population sa boys kay sa girls.

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« Reply #123 on: January 22, 2008, 03:33:00 AM »
Eh di mag mangkay na lang hahahahaha

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« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2008, 03:35:36 AM »
Eh di mag mangkay na lang hahahahaha

talking of mangkay day pastilan daghana kog aunties both sides nga nagmangkay pastang luoya...

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« Reply #125 on: January 22, 2008, 03:40:25 AM »
Manong Lin, akong Lolo kay diha sya'y duha ka mangkay na auntie so bale amo na tong great grand aunties!  Dili man kaayo sila luoy tan awon kay daghan man sila'g mga pag umangkon and then elementary up to high school or up until namatay sila, we took care of them.  as always the case in our bayan na the poorest family got to take care of our elderly kay ang mga richie2x dili man jud mo lingi ug naa nay alimahunon bisan na lang gani unta mohatag financial support.  Anyway, in our case, it wasn't hard to take care of them kay they were so loving people and they helped us when we were growing up kon wa nami bugas malung-ag.

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« Reply #126 on: January 22, 2008, 03:46:45 AM »
Manong Lin, akong Lolo kay diha sya'y duha ka mangkay na auntie so bale amo na tong great grand aunties!  Dili man kaayo sila luoy tan awon kay daghan man sila'g mga pag umangkon and then elementary up to high school or up until namatay sila, we took care of them.  as always the case in our bayan na the poorest family got to take care of our elderly kay ang mga richie2x dili man jud mo lingi ug naa nay alimahunon bisan na lang gani unta mohatag financial support.  Anyway, in our case, it wasn't hard to take care of them kay they were so loving people and they helped us when we were growing up kon wa nami bugas malung-ag.

in that case wala nay problema but look the other side how they smile the emptiness in their life... ako bitaw to silang komedyahan adtong bata pa ko nga siguro wala gyud nangulitawo sa inyo sauna kay wala man mo magminyo motubag man sab nga diha man kuno wala lang suerte.

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« Reply #127 on: January 22, 2008, 03:55:01 AM »
Hala, come to think of it, both side diay sa akong parents naay manghay.  tsk tsk tsk high risk jud diay unta ko adto maayo na lang nahalin hehehehe

In our great grand aunties' case, ga help man gud sila sa akong great grandma kay daghan man to sya'g ana dayon my grandfather had 11 children so busy jud ilang career.  Ug kabalo naman ka ug teacher didto (one of the two great grand aunties was a teacher) mura ba maka ward off sa mga boys.  But mao na jud siguro to naka guhit sa ilang palad.  Basta I can tell na they were so loved.  That brings back what I had in my mind na di jud ko matiguwang ani na nasud kay nah ibilin lang gajud kita sa care homes.  Naa koy friends dre na ilang mother gibutang sa care home even if she isn't that old yet.  They are nice people but for them it's a big inconvenience to take care of their mother.  When we were growing up, there was just one mother to take care of all of us kids and now tiguwang na atong inahan unya daghan tang mga anak di na ta ka take care?  Mao jud na ang lahi ra jud pod dre compared sa atong nasud.

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« Reply #128 on: January 25, 2008, 03:11:36 PM »


Why Philippines is attractive for expats as a retirement haven it is because of our culture of sincere domesticated service and loyalty for someone who has helped in one way or another....ang tawag ana "mounong".

In the west, it is full of IMPERSONALISM.. kon wala nakay gamit or ayo, ignored ka or neglected. pero dinhi matigulang na ka unya maayo ang imong kinaiya mounong gyod nimo hangtod ta molangyaw sa laing kalibutan.

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« Reply #129 on: January 25, 2008, 03:30:16 PM »
That's true jud, Jun.  We have so much respect for our elderly people.  Here, they care more their pets than elderly.  I went to visit today an elderly friend in the care home with one of the daughters. I used to keep this old woman company while she was still in her house.  When I saw her today, it crushed my heart to see her with big bruise in the left side of her face as if somebody paddled her face!  I was told she fell.  For the past 2 months that she is in the care home, she lost 26 pounds already.  She doesn't eat the food there.  I don't think I could ever do that to my own mother.  When I go home, I will sleep in between my parents to feel them and someday when they grow a bit older, we will build a house close to my parents so I can keep an eye on them and whenever they need me I will be there for them.

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« Reply #130 on: January 25, 2008, 03:31:42 PM »
Also kay sa akong nasod mga anak dli support ang magulang - si bali, parents pay hangtod mamatay!

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« Reply #131 on: January 25, 2008, 03:49:10 PM »
Ben, I think the government pays to take care of the elderly especially if they have social security benefits.  When I went to the care home today, there were lots of old people there.  Crying for help and I guess the nurses or caregivers there are used already to hear these old people pleading for help.  It's just so sad.  When we were young, I don't think our parents let us cry as much as they are crying now.  This woman that I visited today, she told me before she would rather die than be in a care home.  Well, she didn't have a chance because her children who are my friends wouldn't want to take her.  The first week she was in the care home right before Thanksgiving, she threatened to kill herself so her anti-depressant was doubled. Unbelievable!  I didn't want to see her again because it makes me feel so sad but then again, she is happy when I see her so that's why I still visit her.  I bring her food and we eat together.   

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« Reply #132 on: January 25, 2008, 03:54:29 PM »

Why Philippines is attractive for expats as a retirement haven it is because of our culture of sincere domesticated service and loyalty for someone who has helped in one way or another....ang tawag ana "mounong".

In the west, it is full of IMPERSONALISM.. kon wala nakay gamit or ayo, ignored ka or neglected. pero dinhi matigulang na ka unya maayo ang imong kinaiya mounong gyod nimo hangtod ta molangyaw sa laing kalibutan.

Well said, Mr. Ayag. And I hope that the Philippine tourism sector taps into this resource, which, if properly handled, could generate thousands of jobs and result in a 'trickle down' effect for the country.

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« Reply #133 on: January 25, 2008, 04:20:50 PM »
Ben, I think the government pays to take care of the elderly especially if they have social security benefits.  When I went to the care home today, there were lots of old people there.  Crying for help and I guess the nurses or caregivers there are used already to hear these old people pleading for help.  It's just so sad.  When we were young, I don't think our parents let us cry as much as they are crying now.  This woman that I visited today, she told me before she would rather die than be in a care home.  Well, she didn't have a chance because her children who are my friends wouldn't want to take her.  The first week she was in the care home right before Thanksgiving, she threatened to kill herself so her anti-depressant was doubled. Unbelievable!  I didn't want to see her again because it makes me feel so sad but then again, she is happy when I see her so that's why I still visit her.  I bring her food and we eat together.   
Did you know that the government, at least in the UK, will force the old person to sell their house to fund their stay at a very expensive and unpleasant care home.  Imagine losing all you've worked for in return for a horrible experience!
The other side of the coin: there are some good retirement / OAP homes, some have a good sociable atmosphere.

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« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2008, 04:53:10 AM »
Well said, Mr. Ayag. And I hope that the Philippine tourism sector taps into this resource, which, if properly handled, could generate thousands of jobs and result in a 'trickle down' effect for the country.

Hi Pare!  Had heard about this newly  built-up "Home for the Aged" I think somewhere in Baclayon.   Only I'm not aware whether it is already going on for business and also about the monthly basic prices.

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« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2008, 05:04:46 AM »
Did you know that the government, at least in the UK, will force the old person to sell their house to fund their stay at a very expensive and unpleasant care home.  Imagine losing all you've worked for in return for a horrible experience!
The other side of the coin: there are some good retirement / OAP homes, some have a good sociable atmosphere.

That's right Ben!  This procedure is also done here in Germany...you saved and worked for nothing if you will get old- you will lost everything.  On the other hand,  a  very good, clean and with excellent nursing services tendered based to the value of the expensive monthly rates where the relatives concerned must have to answer.
 


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« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2008, 05:09:30 AM »
Hi Pare!  Had heard about this newly  built-up "Home for the Aged" I think somewhere in Baclayon.   Only I'm not aware whether it is already going on for business and also about the monthly basic prices.

Mao ba Ms. Bambi naa na tay "Home for the Aged" sa Bohol?  I can't believe it kay we always take care naman jud of our elderly family members.  By the way, dili na acceptable dre ang term nato diha na "Home for the Aged" kay dili daw na politically correct na term.  Instead, they call here Home for the elderly or Senior Homes. 

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« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2008, 05:35:26 AM »

Why Philippines is attractive for expats as a retirement haven it is because of our culture of sincere domesticated service and loyalty for someone who has helped in one way or another....ang tawag ana "mounong".

In the west, it is full of IMPERSONALISM.. kon wala nakay gamit or ayo, ignored ka or neglected. pero dinhi matigulang na ka unya maayo ang imong kinaiya mounong gyod nimo hangtod ta molangyaw sa laing kalibutan.

I think Jun...those foreigners who are already residing here is not only attracted of the beauty of our nature, culture and to other things. They stay here because their  money has still a good change but for how long?  I have a good friends who settled here for almost 5 years...the first reason is... why they must have to stay here it's because he was the only one earning before and his more than a 1,000.00 Euro pension to spend here in Europe couldn't not be enough to cope -up the expensive life here and aside you need to pay almost 3,000.00 Euro for the home of the aged. On the other hand, both parties (couple) shared the benefits "she must have to take care of him and he feeds her and  the whole Family here for they have no other source of income. "

In the further discussion, Ben had stated that the Europian old people are forced to sale everything what the earned
from the whole life time just to pay for a better attendance and  care under excellent nursing supervision.  And this is true. The children who are supposed to be  the beneficiaries must have to support for their old parents and if there is something to heir with, and in fact, they must have to answer the rest payment if the parents pension would not be enough. So, if you can't afford to submit your olds to the Old folks house, you must have to take good care of them under your custody and care until death.

I disagree about the word "impersonalism" used because as observed also the western countries they love and support their parents until to the end.  Just like what we are doing towards our olds.....those who can help... will do it. In fact, there are also Pinoys who never cares their parents even they are in very good life situation, isn't?           

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« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2008, 10:53:56 PM »
Mao ba Ms. Bambi naa na tay "Home for the Aged" sa Bohol?  I can't believe it kay we always take care naman jud of our elderly family members.  By the way, dili na acceptable dre ang term nato diha na "Home for the Aged" kay dili daw na politically correct na term.  Instead, they call here Home for the elderly or Senior Homes. 

Hi Grazie,

I only heard this new establishment from my sister who is residing there in Tagb. but to the fact, she is not also aware of how far they are now on business and also the related charges for the old people conveniences. It was my plan to check it out, but lately  we just settled about my Mama's situation. And in fact, our treat and tradition will not allow this kind of services from strange persons as they stated (maulaw baya ta kuno...bu it seems that everyone is busy entertaining their own problems).  It was a great part of my home visit about the matter. That "Home for the Aged in Baclayon, might probably  more privatized and am sure it is commonly open for people with extra money and for foriegners. Under my category, I can't surely get on with it.

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« Reply #139 on: January 27, 2008, 01:06:47 AM »


I believe the Retirement Homes planned in Baclayon are intended for expats who could afford.  With the currency exchange... they could spend them well here in the Phils. than in their own country. 

Here they could afford to hire as many helpers to take care of them while in their country they will not have the luxury of having similar treatment as what we have here...

in every undertaking there is an exception of course...when I used the word "impersonalism", this refers to the trend though there are exceptions.

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« Reply #140 on: January 27, 2008, 01:15:24 AM »
Thats true, Mr. Ayag. I personally would like to retire in Bohol some day because of the 'total' care one gets  so long as you have the capital to hire workers to care after you. In particular, my grandfather is already 81 years old, though he is a strong man in spirit and in body, he is a stroke victim. His entire left side of the body was affected by the stroke he had back in 1996, thank god it was in the right side of the brain that was affected not the left side, the problems affected only include (minimal):     
   * Paralysis on the left side of the body   
    * Vision problems   
    * Quick, inquisitive behavioral style   
    * Memory loss
whereas a stroke that affects the left side, which my Lolo did not have, thank God, is     
   * Paralysis on the right side of the body   
    * Speech/language problems   
    * Slow, cautious behavioral style   
    * Considerable Memory loss

But Lolo has been able to live with his stroke, actually strengthened his right side of the body, he does pull ups in his wheel chair, can dress himself, shower himself etc with just the use of his right side of the body. Aside from his strong spirit, it is the help of the hired hands that we hired to care for our beloved Lolo. They're trained in giving him medication, preparing his food, etc, though the only thing they have to worry about is the food aspect because Lolo, like me, has a large appetite, LOL. Im just thankful for the workers that care for my grandfather because they keep an eye on him 24/7. I personally want to retire in Bohol because of family, and i don't want to be stuck in a nursing home here in the states where one is easily abused or 'left alone'. That is a nightmare to many Americans, including myself.



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« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2008, 01:29:21 AM »


Yes Bran Lorenz, tinood gyod na.  Ako ganing Mama who just turned 76 last Jan. 22 nananghid na nga mouli gyod kuno siya sa Pinas ( she is based now in Union City with my sis and nephews ).  Maayo gyod kuno nga naa sa atoa kaysa laing nasod.

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« Reply #142 on: January 27, 2008, 01:41:05 AM »
Mr. Ayag, i hope and pray that your mother is in good health. In the words of my Lolo Casiano Salvo, "Bata pa man na" (he was regarding his birthday celebration here in our house back in New Jersey in 2003-2004), celebrating his 77th birthday, mga jokester jokester jud siya despite his age, hahaha. Pero you know, though he liked it here in the 'states, he would always talk about our Lola who passed away IN 1998. You could tell, without him saying it to us directly, that he was severely homesick. Ning balik siya sa Bohol in 2005 kai na mingaw man gud siya sa Pinas. He said before he left that ning anhi ra kono siya sa Amerika kai gusto man siya mo tan-aw sa iyang anaks (his daughters: my mom and my aunt are here), iyang mga apo (myself, my sister, my brother don, brother andre, and cousin Leslie). To fulfill the dream that my dear Lola Nating wanted, which was for her and my lolo to come to the 'US to see their family. That is why he felt mingaw-mingaw when he was here, because na wa' naman si Lola gud.

Ako, gusto ko mo balik sa bohol to see my Lolo. My main reason for going to Bohol this summer is to see my Lolo again, everything else is secondary. I can feel the time having its effect on my Lolo, and I don't know how much long he has to be with us, but we were mostly concerned in keeping him comfortable for the most part. And Bohol is home for him, specially Valencia :) I just want to see my Lolo Ciano one more time with my own eyes, and hear his voice with my own ears and not through a telephone or a card. And most of all, to hug him and have him hug me. This is afterall the man that used to carry me when I was 2 y/o on his shoulder, used to feed me with his hands, and used to take me everday to Badjang and teach me how to swim. My Lolo...i miss you..... :'( :'( :'( :'(

Mr. Ayag, I wish to see you this summer pohon this July. Perhaps you probably know my dad and or some relatives of mine. Please extend my regards to your family, Mr. Ayag.

God Bless you.

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« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2008, 03:20:05 AM »

Yes Bran Lorenz, tinood gyod na.  Ako ganing Mama who just turned 76 last Jan. 22 nananghid na nga mouli gyod kuno siya sa Pinas ( she is based now in Union City with my sis and nephews ).  Maayo gyod kuno nga naa sa atoa kaysa laing nasod.

Pohon magkita ta sa July this year with our families... Just let me know if you need some assistance...

Jun, I am not too far aways from Union City - maybe just about 3 hours drive.  ms. da binsi and I were even planning to go to Union City Jollibee but we changed plan when we learned that there's a Jollibee in San Francisco.

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« Reply #144 on: January 28, 2008, 01:56:11 AM »


Grazie,
Nice to hear nga duol ra mo dinha ni Ms da Binsi sa akong Mama ug sister sa Union City.  Kon moadto unya mo didto dapita, sultihi unya ko aron makavisit mo sa balay nila...it would be pleasure for them to meet both of you.

Bran Lorenz,
Sus baskog pa gyod akong Mama bisan 76 na kay anad man sa trabaho, dili mahimotang kon walay buhaton.  Would you imagine, she was travelling alone from the USA to the Philippines (back and forth) 2 yrs ago at the age of 74? Dili man gani mosakay sa wheel chair when embarking from the plane to the airport.

Buyag baya tawon akong Mama. Sulti niya mas dali man kuno siya magkasakit sa US kay wala may buhaton pero kon dia siya sa Bohol daghan trabahoon (gardening, cleaning, cooking, everything... daghan trabaho pa sa helper...LOL)

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« Reply #145 on: January 28, 2008, 02:34:39 AM »
Mr. Jun Ayag,

Mao jud, sir. Mao jud. Kanang active tawo--mo survive jud na sila to a long age. Na lingaw pood ko reading your story of your mama going back to the Philippines by herself. She is a strong willed, intelligent woman. That really is true, the elderly need something to motivate them in their life, either through work or chores. Please extend our regards to your mama, more health to your Mama!

In the end, this conversation only illustrates the effect Bohol has on a person. The need to visit it or the need to retire there.



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« Reply #146 on: January 28, 2008, 03:59:49 AM »

Grazie,
Nice to hear nga duol ra mo dinha ni Ms da Binsi sa akong Mama ug sister sa Union City.  Kon moadto unya mo didto dapita, sultihi unya ko aron makavisit mo sa balay nila...it would be pleasure for them to meet both of you.

Jun, ms da binsi is based in Michigan but she came to the Bay Area two weeks ago and we had our EB (Sleepless in Sanfracisco thread).  Before she came, we were planning to eat jud sa Jollibee and we thought the nearest was Union City so we were planning to go there but when i checked on their website, naa naman diay sa heart of San Francisco. 

I will let you know jud if ever mag adto mi usab with my family didto na dapit so I can meet your Mama and your sister - sila na lang kay mas impossible man kita mag kita kay layo'ng dapit man ka. But someday sa Bohol magka abot ta didto.  It would be my pleasure though to meet your Mama and your sister.  Ganahan ko mag meet mga parents like someday I am going to meet Macky's parents and all the parents of our TB friends.

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« Reply #147 on: January 29, 2008, 12:50:06 AM »


Grazie and Bran Lorenz,

I really appreciate your being warm hearted... making me feel I have extended families. Nice to have beautiful human beings like you two...

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« Reply #148 on: January 29, 2008, 01:07:06 AM »

Grazie,
Nice to hear nga duol ra mo dinha ni Ms da Binsi sa akong Mama ug sister sa Union City.  Kon moadto unya mo didto dapita, sultihi unya ko aron makavisit mo sa balay nila...it would be pleasure for them to meet both of you.

Bran Lorenz,
Sus baskog pa gyod akong Mama bisan 76 na kay anad man sa trabaho, dili mahimotang kon walay buhaton.  Would you imagine, she was travelling alone from the USA to the Philippines (back and forth) 2 yrs ago at the age of 74? Dili man gani mosakay sa wheel chair when embarking from the plane to the airport.

Buyag baya tawon akong Mama. Sulti niya mas dali man kuno siya magkasakit sa US kay wala may buhaton pero kon dia siya sa Bohol daghan trabahoon (gardening, cleaning, cooking, everything... daghan trabaho pa sa helper...LOL)







Jun my mom is also 76  and pwere bujag tawon pwerte pa ka abtik...sus kani laging nag tubo ug pobre nga us sija pa eat ra sila ug gabi, ube, ug uban pang lagutmon sa gagmay pa sila plus isda. I hope i am getting my moms genes...my dad was healthy too he only died of an accident...

Yeah when i get back to Cali i would let you know so i could see your mom...

BTW, Me ang Tiya Grazzie live too far away, about 6 hours flight pa baja, but we managed to meet each other...

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Jun my mom is also 76  and pwere bujag tawon pwerte pa ka abtik...sus kani laging nag tubo ug pobre nga us sija pa eat ra sila ug gabi, ube, ug uban pang lagutmon sa gagmay pa sila plus isda. I hope i am getting my moms genes...my dad was healthy too he only died of an accident...

Yeah when i get back to Cali i would let you know so i could see your mom...

BTW, Me ang Tiya Grazzie live too far away, about 6 hours flight pa baja, but we managed to meet each other...

Ate Belle,

Im sorry about your Papa.

PS. I really enjoyed talking to all of you guys last night! Take care ha.

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« Reply #150 on: January 29, 2008, 03:45:07 AM »

Grazie and Bran Lorenz,

I really appreciate your being warm hearted... making me feel I have extended families. Nice to have beautiful human beings like you two...

Jun, it takes one to know one... 

We are Tubag Family family bya ha!

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« Reply #151 on: January 30, 2008, 02:34:55 AM »


Daghan salamat gyod sa mainiton nga pag-abi abi dinhi.. cannot wait longer to meet during the GRAND EB kong mopauli o moattend sa occasion.  Mouli man sila tanan (akong mama, sister, nephews and some relatives) pohon to attend the debut party of our only girl in the family, for the business launching and of course aron mameet ang mga beautiful hearts of TubagBohol.

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« Reply #152 on: February 17, 2008, 12:36:24 AM »


Bran Lorenz, Happy and all,

Ang gitawag nato nga expats ( relatives man o dili basta dili puro nga Bol-anon ) welcome  gyod pohon sa atong Grand EB, we have to accommodate them kay aron mobalik sa Bohol...

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« Reply #153 on: February 17, 2008, 09:26:57 AM »
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« Reply #154 on: February 17, 2008, 07:21:55 PM »


Looking forward  to have Bohol as expats' destination... we need to build that image that Bohol is expat friendly...

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« Reply #155 on: February 29, 2008, 02:31:21 PM »


If Bohol is serious with Tourism initiatives, WE ( Bol-anons ) must embed that character or trait and most that CULTURE of friendliness, clean environment (including sanitation), crime free and a list of positive values instrumental in enticing the so called expats to come and stay like their own ...

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« Reply #156 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:49 AM »


Gone across with an article in the Visayas Business Review that Cebu is the premier tourist attraction and destination of the country, with 1.25 Million tourists last year.  With the energetic leadership of the Tourism Secretary, Hon. Ace Durano who hails from Cebu, he deserved for the praise...and we have to be grateful to have Bohol a chunk of the success...with our proximity to Cebu, we have to capitalize on that...  the vision of Bohol to be a haven for Expats is not a far cry....

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« Reply #157 on: April 09, 2008, 12:25:02 AM »


Bohol and/or Boholanos have a competitive edge over than... kay ang "Bol-anon buotan man gayod... magmahal kanimo [bisan kinsa ug kanus-a] sa kahangtoran... in short... sincere nga amigo... tinood ba TubagBohol?

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« Reply #158 on: April 09, 2008, 12:28:44 AM »

Tinoud, Kuya Jun. Sa kalipay ug kasakit kanimo mag pangga.

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« Reply #159 on: April 09, 2008, 12:36:12 AM »


Yes Ginger... when I had visited some parts of Europe in the past, I've met some Filipinos and the common commentaries... maduol o masaligan gyod ang mga Bisaya labaw na ang mga Bol-anon... dili man tinood ang ija-ija aho-aho... the testimonials of many Filipinos were sufficient to support such claim...and I am proud to be a Bisaya and Boholano at large... even those expats I've made who made a visit in Tagalog area and in the Visayan region for recruitment, mas maayo gyod kuno ang mga Bisaya and when they made a side trip of Bohol, ang ilang ikasulti... IT IS REALLY PEACEFUL AND WARM LOVING PEOPLE...

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