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English in the Philippines
« on: January 04, 2009, 02:01:22 AM »
By Antonio Aboitiz
Published by the Philippine Daily Inquirer

The ubiquity of the English language in these islands is a bittersweet reality of our culture.

The entire world is scrambling to learn the planet’s current lingua franca while we, who had it thrust upon us for better or worse, are coming dangerously close to losing our fated headstart because of a variety of complex factors.

One of these factors is the fact that many of us who do not pronounce the words like the people on the pirated DVDs everyone purchases (piracy is a crime!) are very intimidated by this inability, and therefore become frustrated or ashamed and give up. This is something that must be smashed. Not the DVDs, but the stigma and teasing that can come along with bad diction.

Making fun

The perpetuation of the national pastime of making fun of someone’s English abilities should be ended. That is because we have our own English. It is Filipino English, and it is as valid—if not more so—than the English spoken by say, Australia or Canada, nations whose populations are but a fraction of ours.

We are supposedly the third largest English-speaking nation in the world. However, that all depends on how you define fluency. If you take the number of speakers of English as a second language, we probably rank around that.

English is a difficult language to learn. It has many rules, but also has almost as many exceptions and is fantastically non-phonetic (why is knife spelled with a k?). Its earliest evolution from its Germanic base, running into long and bloody backs and forths with the Romans, Vikings, then the French, then a liberal spiking of words obtained from conquered lands belies the history of the incredible islands from which the language bursts forth and itself conquered the world.

There may be more speakers of Chinese, but their geographic scope and influence around the globe cannot rival that of English.

This is THE language of international business, diplomacy, aviation, science, entertainment, and the World Wide Web.

English was brought to us by Americans, who started our public school system (an educated citizenry is a pre-requisite to true democracy) and left us speaking lots of good English. That is, until we decided to make Pilipino the national language in 1936 (check the preface on your kid’s Balarila) and the Bagong Lipunan tried desperately to force it as a medium of instruction.

We have our own English. We say comfortable the way it is spelled, not as “cumftabul” the way an American would. We use the word “already” as no one else does. “It is ready already” “it is finished already” this is pure Filipino-English. An Australian or an American would likely say simply “it’s done.” We say “for a while”—what exactly does that mean? I take it to mean, “when it’s ready already.” Again other English speakers might say “just a moment” or “just a sec”—but they mean the same thing really. The British and their Commonwealth members use “take away” Americans, “to go” Filipinos say “take home”—or at least used to.

God help you if you ask for the “CR” in any other English-speaking nation. But hey, we’ve also contributed to the English language in general: “boondocks” is a corruption of bundok.

The very difficulty and inconsistency of the English language—its fluidity and ability to invent and co-opt words—lies at the heart of the creative potential it imbibes to those who speak it.

Our ability to comprehend English is a trump card that we have to develop further and play to the hilt.

It makes courting foreign investments easier, makes tourism more attractive, adds to the “by the grace of God” advantages we have—great natural wealth in terms of biodiversity and minerals, strategic crossroads location, and more importantly, truly friendly, caring people who have a great sense of humor.

English is a living language, just as our own languages are. We also co-opt other words and usage as they come into our lives and become ubiquitous, and unavoidable. Its evolution is not determined by scholars and laid down as the law of the land.

Evolution

This just tells me we are primed and ready to evolve our language at the pace this world now demands of everyone: fast. We share some of those built-in ethno-linguistic evolutionary characteristics that gives English its creative advantage.

Back to the pronunciation aspect. I believe one great advantage we have in the growing field of business process outsourcing/information communications technology/call centers—is that we are not grating to the native English speaker’s ear, the Americans and British folk who are our major call center customers.

You outsource that to someone from India, or Singapore, or Hong Kong, and their accents will not be as pleasing to those customer’s ears as our own accents which we make such fun of.

Let’s not lose our aces. We’ve already done that with a few of the good cards we had already been dealt.

I have several suggestions to keep our edge in English:

1. Keep speaking English and continue to use it as a medium of instruction. Take what we want from either of the other two largest English-speaking nations but be consistent in our textbooks, particularly in spelling and grammar.

2. DO NOT make fun of someone’s pronunciation unless it is constructive.

3. DO NOT fear ridicule. That person making fun of your English, well, you could probably run circles around them in your own dialect.

4. Keep speaking your home dialect, teach it to your children, and present it as a language class in school. While English may be slowly changing some of our already fractured-culture nation’s heritage, we will never ever give up our identity and cultural characteristics. Don’t worry, we will still be Filipino.

5. Remember that each dialect we lose, we lose a complete worldview. So the old languages must somehow find a way to survive or they will perish forever.

6. Keep it to a minimum with the silly acronyms. We are just plain crazy about those. Some are unavoidable (it’s a waste of time to say “Subscriber Identity Module card” rather than the omnipresent “SIM card”). For your own sake, don’t use the silly acronym unless you know what it stands for. This acronym insanity permeates business, nongovernmental organizations, cooperatives, civil society, government (“Epira—what’s that? Such silliness because if they called Republic Act No. 9136 the “Industry Reform Act for Power and Electricity” instead of the “Electric Power Industry Reform Act” we might be calling it “I RAPE”), education, religion, etc.

Numbers game

7. Remind those arrogant enough to challenge our English that on many terms, we win because we have the numbers. The United Kingdom herself only has about 60 million people, and even those guys can’t agree on the proper pronunciation of words.

8. At some point in time, our own Noah Webster will create a Filipino Dictionary of the English Language. When that happens we will have truly come of age as another birthing place for this unique modern language.

(Aboitiz recently retired from the Aboitiz Group of Companies and is current chairman of the Visayas regional committee of the Philippine Business for Social Progress.)

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 02:26:44 AM »
6. Keep it to a minimum with the silly acronyms. We are just plain crazy about those. Some are unavoidable (it’s a waste of time to say “Subscriber Identity Module card” rather than the omnipresent “SIM card”). For your own sake, don’t use the silly acronym unless you know what it stands for. This acronym insanity permeates business, nongovernmental organizations, cooperatives, civil society, government (“Epira—what’s that? Such silliness because if they called Republic Act No. 9136 the “Industry Reform Act for Power and Electricity” instead of the “Electric Power Industry Reform Act” we might be calling it “I RAPE”), education, religion, etc.
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I have observed that here in Germany, speakers tries to avoid acronyms. They are all explained beforehand so as to avoid irritations opposed to the Pinoy counterparts. There are seminars here from Filipino speakers and you will promptly bombarded with this not silly but idiotic acronyms.

Filipinos as english speakers give as an economic advantage and edge abroad. Keep on learning especially the phonetics.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 02:54:55 AM »
the importance of the english language is of course true in a globalized world, where the unifying language is English, at least generally.  However, the social identity of a country melts when the defining merit which language, fades.

This is primarily the reason that though Japan and even China are pushing for the integration of English in their curriculum, the medium of academic instruction is still their native language.

The mental processing using the native language is of course faster.
Although, English must be improved, the use of the native tongue must not be neglected.  This defines us as people.

ang mga bisaya mailhan nga bisaya tungod sa gahi nga dila. ang balikas sa mga bol anon dili makaon ug iro .. kung maka sabot lang ang akong uyab nga german inig balikas nako niya.

salamat. ga eninglis man diay ko ganina no?.. sorry

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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 03:55:23 AM »
I completely agree. Proficiency of the English language facilitates interaction and limits even inhibits any language barrier.

One of the strengths of the Filipino and the Philippines is his/her proficiency in the lingua franca of the day.

I am a proponent of institutionalizing the use of not only Pilipino, but English and Spanish in addition to the regional tongue.


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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 04:56:45 AM »
one funny observation in the visayas region is that university students tend to speak english better than Filipino.  Personally, my fluency of the Filipino language is mediocre.
Isnt it logically to improve our own language first before strengthening the use of english?

English has served me well in all of my travels and of course when you speak english the world will talk to you.

But hey, did the japanese need english in their economic development.
It is just an added value because after all, substance is more important than form.
A lot of people speak good english but full of non-sense..


So please..

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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2009, 05:19:27 PM »
But we are not the Japanese. We are The Philippines and the Filipino people.

History did not place us with the same position as the Japanese and others of the like, and if we as a people wish to empower ourselves for our own betterment, we shouldn't linger so much in comparing ourselves with others.

It's a waste of energy. Japan will be Japan and their people their people. Their culture is different from ours; their historical predicament is different from ours.

I believe that empowering the youth of the Philippines with a rich language through the implementation of Pilipino, English and Spanish would be beneficial for the entire country.

I have friends from the Netherlands and from Spain who are themselves fluent in not only their native dialect, but in French, German and English.



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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2009, 09:11:57 PM »
Lorenzo,

Foreign languages are included in the curriculum so aside from the native language, english is mandatory and 2 or 3 foreign languages like french, spanish or latin are added. Latin is needed as some sort of regulator. If enrollment  in a university is strong, this language will be an important factor to be accepted.  This is also required for those who will study medicine, law, pharmacy and the like.

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2009, 09:17:52 PM »
you dont get it right.  my main point is, the proficiency of the English language is only an added value.  Nothing more, nothing less.  The example about the Japanese people proves that language is not a barrier.  Development should start right here, in our very own country.  and it was even more difficult for them because theyve lost in the world war 2.  The reconstruction of their economy took some time.

And yes we are not japanese, nor we are not brown skinned americans.!!!!! so please.

Do we wish to produce english speaking domestic helpers, nurses, doctors working as nurses abroad?

It is just sad that we focus our framework of development on exportation of our most important resource, our labor force. and we want to push for the betterment of the english  language for that purpose.

Ang framework nato, kinahanglan maka katon ug eninglis ang mga pinoy para, kahibaw munininglis ining limpyo nila ug kasilyas sa Italy?

Malooy ta unta nato.  Dili man gani nato mapalambo atong kaugalingon nga pinulungan. karon puro eninglis nalang???

Kolonyalismo gihapun..

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2009, 09:24:00 PM »
ang english kalakip na na siya sa atong curriculum sa pinas.  Unsaon man ni siya? bisan ang proficieny sa atong magtutudlo gabitay man?

dili discusion nga english ang medium of instruction sa pinas.  Pero logical lang ta no, unsaon man nato pagpa lambo  ang banyaga nga pinulungan kung atong kaugalingon nga dili nagkahiwi man?

palambuon nato ug una atong pinulungan ayha ta muingon mag eninglis nalang gyud ta kay dili ta mga americano. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2009, 11:52:41 AM »
Do we wish to produce english speaking domestic helpers, nurses, doctors working as nurses abroad?

It is just sad that we focus our framework of development on exportation of our most important resource, our labor force. and we want to push for the betterment of the english  language for that purpose.

Yes, that's the sad reality of unequal development and power in this world. I remember reading an article that said the Philippines is the top exporter of health care labor worldwide.  There's a book called "Empire of Care"  by Catherine Choy that documents how the US created the Philippine nursing schools for the intent on serving the US needs abroad, not at home in the Philippines.  So it contributes to the larger brain drain our homeland suffers from.

Thus is the two-edged sword with our proficiency of English.

On one hand, it is a huge asset and skill advantage; on the other hand, it facilitates migration and disinvestment out of the country.

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I agree with Abiotiz points---the need to practice English but hand in hand with our original dialects.  Losing a language is truly losing a worldview and a connection.  I argue further it makes us even less effective to service those who do not have the privilege to learn English.  The anti-immigrant sentiment in the US has pushed an "English" only agenda, but how is this going to affect our non-speaking elderly who also navigate the court system, medical hospitals, voting booths? There are real consequences to the lack of access...

last point.. personally, in my upbringing my mom did not see the need to teach me visaya and overemphasized and valued english, i think the next generation of Filipino Americans really might be only monolingual at the rate we're going, and I think if we keep overemphazing English at the cost of not learning our homeland dialects...we further disconnect ourselves from our homeland and our family's experiences. thus, we are conditioned with a western superiority complex devaluing where we're from.

am i crazy? what are your experiences with your american born relatives going back to the philippines to visit or to work? is there a disconnect?




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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2009, 12:22:45 PM »
The Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology (Monbugakusho) has recently decided to embark on a drastic change in their English education policy, starting with high schools--teachers will teach English in English. Also starting this school year, they will teach English as a mandatory subject from elementary school.

The rationale for this is echoed by Yasushi Nakane, president of Interac, the largest deployment company for English teachers in Japan, whom I interviewed more than two years ago:

"Global competition has never been this fierce. In a world structured into East-West hemispheres, Japan simply had to produce nice industrial products and was assured of a market under the wings of American alliance. But with the obsolescence of communism and the crumbling of the East-West divide with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the world has become one global market, a level playing field for every one. Even the US has become a competitor, not to mention the emerging economies like China and South Korea. Japan has to go out into the world even more in order to sell its products. More than ever, it needs English to be able to do this. Japan cannot sit back on its English ability, what with a ranking of 100 in TOEFL score worldwide. Even in Asia, the Japanese trail miserably behind."

For the complete text of this interview, please check out http://www.philippinestoday.net/index.php?module=article&view=4

I speak English, Japanese and Filipino (not to mention the dialects Tagalog, Bisaya and Ilonggo) with working-level proficiency, and my principal livelihood is translation. In my experience, I believe that we can study different languages simultaneously. Because of our exposure to different dialects, Filipinos are predisposed to the acquisition of foreign language skills. English is as different from Japanese is as Japanese is to Binol-anon, but we can achieve working-level proficiency in all of them if we just try hard enough, with our level of success of course determined partly by our in-born verbal aptitudes. But I believe improving our English skills will not necessarily mean the degradation of our Filipino skills.

Just my two cents' worth.

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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2009, 12:34:03 PM »
ang english kalakip na na siya sa atong curriculum sa pinas.  Unsaon man ni siya? bisan ang proficieny sa atong magtutudlo gabitay man?

dili discusion nga english ang medium of instruction sa pinas.  Pero logical lang ta no, unsaon man nato pagpa lambo  ang banyaga nga pinulungan kung atong kaugalingon nga dili nagkahiwi man?

palambuon nato ug una atong pinulungan ayha ta muingon mag eninglis nalang gyud ta kay dili ta mga americano. 

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2009, 05:48:53 PM »
The Japanese Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology (Monbugakusho) has recently decided to embark on a drastic change in their English education policy, starting with high schools--teachers will teach English in English. Also starting this school year, they will teach English as a mandatory subject from elementary school.

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« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2009, 05:59:25 PM »
Do they integrate English in their curriculum or do they use english as a medium of instruction? These are two different things and for sure, in Japan, they dont teach science, mathematics, japanese history in English..

In the Philippines, most especially in private schools, they teach Philippine History in English and the funny thing is, maybe its only the Filipino subject which is not taught in English.  The usage of the Philippine language  "Filipino" has been a minority.. heheheh ironic....

It is of course an advantage to be multi-lingual. There is no question about that.  But it is a shame that we lose our most tangible heritage and wealth and that is our own language.



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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2009, 06:13:00 PM »
Text from bennylene
I speak English, Japanese and Filipino (not to mention the dialects Tagalog, Bisaya and Ilonggo) with working-level proficiency, and my principal livelihood is translation. In my experience, I believe that we can study different languages simultaneously. Because of our exposure to different dialects, Filipinos are predisposed to the acquisition of foreign language skills. English is as different from Japanese is as Japanese is to Binol-anon, but we can achieve working-level proficiency in all of them if we just try hard enough, with our level of success of course determined partly by our in-born verbal aptitudes. But I believe improving our English skills will not necessarily mean the degradation of our Filipino skills.

Just my two cents' worth.


hi benelyne

Have you read the multiple intelligence theory of Dr. Howard Gardner?  Every person has different propensity on intelligences and maybe yours is linguistic intelligence. So you cannot say that if you have done it, other people could do it. Because then again, we have different inclinations.
Just a way of thinking, ngano kahibaw man sila mokanta unya ako yabag man?


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the eight identified multiple intelligences

Bodily-Kinesthetic
This area has to do with movement and doing. People are generally good at physical activities such as sports or dance. People who have this intelligence usually learn better by getting up and moving around. They may enjoy acting or performing, and in general they are good at building and making things. They often learn best by physically doing something, rather than reading or hearing about it. Those with strong bodily-kinesthetic intelligence seem to use what might be termed muscle memory. They remember things through their body such as verbal memory or images. They require fine motor skills that are required for dancing, athletics, surgery, craft and other movement functions. In artificial Intelligences programs are being developed to mimic the movement of athletics through games and other computer related items but they will not take the place of the actual movement of this intelligence physically. Careers which suit those with this intelligence include athletes, dancers, actors, surgeons, builders, and soldiers. Although these careers can be duplicated through virtual simulation they will not produce the actual physical learning that is needed in this intelligence.


[edit] Interpersonal
This area has to do with interaction with others. People in this category are usually extroverts and are characterized by their sensitivity to others' moods, feelings, temperaments and motivations, and their ability to cooperate in order to work as part of a group. They communicate effectively and empathize easily with others, and may be either leaders or followers. They typically learn best by working with others and often enjoy discussion and debate. The artificial intelligences for this intelligence can be excellent. Although this is a feeling and emotional intelligences, with today's computer and online material people can learn, relate, with each other. Web cam and other technical material has allowed people to function in this intelligence. The personal touch has to still be there to implement these functions. Careers which suit those with this intelligence include politicians, managers, teachers, and social workers.


[edit] Verbal-linguistic
This area has to do with words, spoken or written. People with verbal-linguistic intelligence display a facility with words and languages. They are typically good at reading, writing, telling stories and memorizing words along with dates. They tend to learn best by reading, taking notes, listening to lectures, and discussion and debate. They are also frequently skilled at explaining, teaching and oration or persuasive speaking. Those with verbal-linguistic intelligence learn foreign languages very easily as they have high verbal memory and recall, and an ability to understand and manipulate syntax and structure. This intelligence is high in writers, lawyers, philosophers, journalists, politicians and teachers. Artificial Intelligences can be used in this function with written literature from the intelligences, also through computers and other audio media to enhance the intelligence.


[edit] Logical-Mathematical
This area has to do with logic, abstractions, reasoning, and numbers. While it is often assumed that those with this intelligence naturally excel in mathematics, chess, computer programming and other logical or numerical activities, a more accurate definition places emphasis on traditional mathematical ability and more reasoning capabilities, abstract patterns of recognition, scientific thinking and investigation, and the ability to perform complex calculations. Many scientists, mathematicians, engineers, doctors and economists function in this level of intelligences. This probably is the most useable intelligence that can compare with the artificial intelligences. The military has used this intelligence in war, with the aim of finding enemy targets with mathematical calculations. Engineers have used computer programs and robots to build and construct projects. Doctors have used robots to operate on patients. Economists have used computers to forecast the economy in the future.


[edit] Naturalistic
This area has to do with nature, nurturing and relating information to one's natural surroundings. This is the eighth and newest of the intelligences, added to the theory in 1997. This type of intelligence was not part of Gardner's original theory of Multiple Intelligences. Those with it are said to have greater sensitivity to nature and their place within it, the ability to nurture and grow things, and greater ease in caring for, taming and interacting with animals. They may also be able to discern changes in weather or similar fluctuations in their natural surroundings. They are also good at recognizing and classifying different species. "Naturalists" learn best when the subject involves collecting and analyzing, or is closely related to something prominent in nature; they also don't enjoy learning unfamiliar or seemingly useless subjects with little or no connections to nature. It is advised that naturalistic learners would learn more through being outside or in a kinesthetic way.

The theory behind this intelligence is often criticized, much like the spiritual or existential intelligence (see below), as it is seen by many as not indicative of an intelligence but rather an interest. However it might have been a more valuable and useful intelligence in prehistoric times when humans lived closer to nature.

Careers which suit those with this intelligence include scientists, naturalists, conservationists, gardeners and farmers.


[edit] Intrapersonal
This area has to do with introspective and self-reflective capacities. Those who are strongest in this intelligence are typically introverts and prefer to work alone. They are usually highly self-aware and capable of understanding their own emotions, goals and motivations. They often have an affinity for thought-based pursuits such as philosophy. They learn best when allowed to concentrate on the subject by themselves. There is often a high level of perfectionism associated with this intelligence.

Careers which suit those with this intelligence include philosophers, psychologists, theologians, writers and scientists.


[edit] Visual-Spatial
Main article: Spatial reasoning
This area has to do with vision and spatial judgment. People with strong visual-spatial intelligence are typically very good at visualizing and mentally manipulating objects. Those with strong spatial intelligence are often proficient at solving puzzles. They have a strong visual memory and are often artistically inclined. Those with visual-spatial intelligence are also generally have a very good sense of direction and may also have very good hand-eye coordination, although this is normally seen as a characteristic of the bodily-kinesthetic intelligence.

Some critics [4] point out the high correlation between the spatial and mathematical abilities, which seems to disprove the clear separation of the intelligences as Gardner theorized. Since solving a mathematical problem involves reassuringly manipulating symbols and numbers, spatial intelligence is involved in visually changing the reality. A thorough understanding of the two intelligences precludes this criticism, however, as the two intelligences do not precisely conform to the definitions of visual and mathematical abilities. Although they may share certain characteristics, they are easily distinguished by several factors, and there are many with strong logical-mathematical intelligence and weak visual-spatial, and vice versa.[citation needed]

Careers which suit those with this intelligence include artists, engineers, and architects.


[edit] Musical
This area has to do with rhythm, music, and hearing. Those who have a high level of musical-rhythmic intelligence display greater sensitivity to sounds, rhythms, tones, and music. They normally have good pitch and may even have absolute pitch, and are able to sing, play musical instruments, and compose music. Since there is a strong auditory component to this intelligence, those who are strongest in it may learn best via lecture. In addition, they will often use songs or rhythms to learn and memorize information, and may work best with music playing in the background.

Careers which suit those with this intelligence include instrumentalists, singers, conductors, disc-jockeys, and composers.


[edit] Other intelligences
Other intelligences have been suggested or explored by Gardner and his colleagues, including spiritual, existential and moral intelligence. Gardner excluded spiritual intelligence due to what he perceived as the inability to codify criteria comparable to the other "intelligences". Existential intelligence (the capacity to raise and reflect on philosophical questions about life, death, and ultimate realities) meets most of the criteria with the exception of identifiable areas of the brain that specialize for this faculty.[5] Moral capacities were excluded because they are normative rather than descriptive.[


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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2009, 06:17:52 PM »
We should always think about its ethical and cultural dimension.  The danger of too much emphasis on the English language would be tantamount to producing talking dolls, speaking the same language.  And the problem could be, our dolls would 'nt be much any different from dolls in India, Africa etc...

It is only in our differences that we can claim uniqueness.  Language is an indication of a wealth of culture.

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 06:27:10 PM »
I have always been proud of the rich language or dialects in the Philippines. Just a point of reflection, when a Bol-anon speaks Binol-anon, would the people from Manila understand him? I guess not or maybe one or two words, nothing more.


But when a german in baden-württemberg speaks schwäbisch, at least germans in northern Germany could understand him a little.  Why do I know this? I only speak hoch deutsch and my boyfriend is a schwäbisch.  Makasabot man ko nila, mag istorya sila sa iyang parents bisag hoch deutsch lang akong hibal an.

So dili ko mabaligya sa germany pero pwede nako siyang ibaligya sa bohol tag mamiso.

So kung tan awun nato, the diversity of our language reflects the diversity of our culture. 

Sa private schools, malipay kaayo ang mga parents kung anad mu eninglis ang anak. Muingon sila nga maayo ang school kay na english speaking ilang mga anak.
Dili ba ni siya uwaw? Unya balikwaot mu binisaya, bisag ang yaya dapat english speaking?

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 06:27:48 PM »

am i crazy? what are your experiences with your american born relatives going back to the philippines to visit or to work? is there a disconnect?


my cousins who were born and grew up in the states speaks cebuano fluently.

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 06:32:03 PM »
depende lagi sa parents, kung mabinisaya sa balay, dili makalimtan ang language bisag naa sa gawas sa nasud namuyo

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2009, 06:37:46 PM »
i still prefer english kay di man ko maayo mo english. ;D

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2009, 07:35:24 PM »
am i crazy? what are your experiences with your american born relatives going back to the philippines to visit or to work? is there a disconnect?

i was amazed by their cebuano accent. haha

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2009, 07:36:34 PM »
Ayessa is not only beauty but brains pa!  She is highly adaptable, that I presume she loves discussions which is a culture in German , mag lalis sa rason dili sa corazon, busa dili magsilbi ang mga looran.
I don´t discuss so much kay dali ko mapikon and my children knows that.
I´m enjoying the postings here, I owuld like to share more but I don´t have much time, take care nga higala ;)
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2009, 08:58:43 PM »
salamat manay.
I just remember someone told me that it is when we start to doubt that we start to think.  ug ang debate naga sugod ni siya sa doubt. thats why mulalis ang tawo.



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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2009, 09:49:10 PM »
Aw maayo jud ning multi-lingual ta kay mas taas ang mga atong mga panglangtaw kay ingon man sila nga ang sinultian maoy yawe sa kinaadman.
Pero sa pagkakaron, dili unta nato kasilagan o isalikway   ang inglis kay dili nato ikalimod nga nakatabang man jud ni sa atong nasod. Ikaduha, nagsunod lang man jud ta sa  kinaiyahan - natural law. Sa panahon   nga ang Espanya ang usa ka  gamhanan sa kalibutan- hapit tanan gusto man mahibalo ug kinatsila.


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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2009, 09:57:18 PM »
why not try  learning chinese, hapit na bitaw ta masakop nila :)

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2009, 10:11:26 PM »
why not try  learning chinese, hapit na bitaw ta masakop nila :)
maayo pa. insik na lang

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2009, 10:19:43 PM »
OT- mr bean kanus a man ka mouli sa imong dapit nga natawhan :0


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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2009, 10:25:44 PM »
duie a! wo chrtau chinese. nine?

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2009, 11:02:04 PM »
OT- mr bean kanus a man ka mouli sa imong dapit nga natawhan :0

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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2009, 02:03:53 AM »
depende lagi sa parents, kung mabinisaya sa balay, dili makalimtan ang language bisag naa sa gawas sa nasud namuyo

that's true, but unless you have a large visayan community and institutions around you abroad, i don't think we have any incentive to speak visaya outside of the house. i can understand basic visaya, but i cannot speak it. reading the comments on these board help..

they don't even teach credited tagalog in the US university schools outside of california.  with the amount of our workforce abroad, maybe we are underestimating the value of our lingua franca

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« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2009, 03:56:21 AM »
Were you born here Leo? I think you have the same problem with Lorenzo, but he tries his best to speak the dialect bisan nag ka tu-eres! ahahaha

Yeah reading the threads here would help you. But again interaction to some extent makes it different.

Maybe you should EB us in March! so you'll pratice talking with card core visayan TB people. How about that?

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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2009, 04:03:44 AM »
mag lisod gihapon siya os sabot og binisaya dinhi sa tb kay permi man ininglis ang post dinhi

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« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2009, 04:05:02 AM »
ako bitaw naningkamot ra pod nga maka sabot og ininglis

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« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2009, 05:33:07 AM »
Were you born here Leo? I think you have the same problem with Lorenzo, but he tries his best to speak the dialect bisan nag ka tu-eres! ahahaha

Yeah reading the threads here would help you. But again interaction to some extent makes it different.

Maybe you should EB us in March! so you'll pratice talking with card core visayan TB people. How about that?

unsa ng "EB" ?  That sounds like a great ideal though!

TB World, I hope you can bear with me and correct my attempts at "binisayan".  I'm moving closer to my Visayan family soon so I hope being in an all-Visayan atmosphere will help. 

Yes, I was born here in the States, but my goal is to at least speak Visaya fluently before an immersion trip to the Philippines this summer.  Like a 1-yr old child, I can comprehend more than I can talk and cannot put into correct grammar. 

It's been 20 years since I stepped foot out there and I've been longing for that history and look forward to learning more when I get there.

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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2009, 07:25:16 AM »
Do they integrate English in their curriculum or do they use english as a medium of instruction? These are two different things and for sure, in Japan, they dont teach science, mathematics, japanese history in English..

In the Philippines, most especially in private schools, they teach Philippine History in English and the funny thing is, maybe its only the Filipino subject which is not taught in English.  The usage of the Philippine language  "Filipino" has been a minority.. heheheh ironic....

It is of course an advantage to be multi-lingual. There is no question about that.  But it is a shame that we lose our most tangible heritage and wealth and that is our own language.


The Japanese teach all subjects, including English (ironically), in Japanese. Japanese is undoubtedly one of the most highly developed languages in the world, having evolved through centuries of relative isolation. But the Japanese has openly appropriated script and vocabulary from China, and in its latter interaction with the Western world, from English and European languages (through the so-called katakana terms). As a language, it is not entirely self-contained.

Since we took different trajectories in our development as nations, I think there is no single language policy that can apply to all.

At this point in time, Japan feels that it should give new impetus to English education by teaching it within the mindset that it requires. That's why they want it taught in English by native speakers of the language.

Nag-eskwela ko sa panahon nga halos tanan nga subject, gawas sa Pilipino, gitudlo sa English. Wa ko kahibalo kung unsay epekto sa bilingual policy sukad sa panahon ni Aquino. Muingon sila nga nagkamaot kuno ang English sa mga Pilipino. Ako mismo gusto ko ma-preserbar ang mga bahandi nga lokal nga kultura ug sunultian. Ang pagtuon naku sa ubang sinultian nagpakusog sa akong gugma ug pagdayig para sa "Filipino soul."

My point is simply that English and Filipino can be taught simultaneously, without prejudice to each other. I believe that as a mental exercise, learning another language does not have to mean diminution of one's own native tongue. I am aware of course that in practical terms, the government has to devote financial and human resources to both, which can really strain our limited coffers.


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« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2009, 07:48:48 AM »

Have you read the multiple intelligence theory of Dr. Howard Gardner?  Every person has different propensity on intelligences and maybe yours is linguistic intelligence. So you cannot say that if you have done it, other people could do it. Because then again, we have different inclinations.
Just a way of thinking, ngano kahibaw man sila mokanta unya ako yabag man?


hi ayessa,

This is certainly enlightening. Your academic inputs are really refreshing.

By the way, I also mentioned that "our level of success will be determined partly by our in-born verbal abilities." My own children are struggling with English and Filipino in their new school in Tagbilaran, but I keep prodding them that they could make it. After all, I began studying Japanese when I was 22. I don't speak it as well as they do, but I have the functional literacy required for my job. You yourself are multi-lingual. It's amazing how many Filipinos abroad easily learn or at least adapt to the language of their host societies.

Di lang gyud maayo kung tungod sa atong pag-Ininglis pasagdan na ang Binisaya.

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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2009, 08:49:54 AM »
I learn  more English when i started posting in the TB kay bisan ug  nagkayamukat ,
correct lang gihapon. It tried my best to write  correct simple  grammar and spelling. 
 I learn a lot in TB. I can't be fluent in English  but I can write.

To be more correct all the time, use Bisaya kay walay mali bisan ug unsaon pag spell
 basta mabasa lang,


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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2009, 05:54:13 PM »
It's amazing how many Filipinos abroad easily learn or at least adapt to the language of their host societies.

na practice na ta sa ato palang kuya. kita mismo totally different ang dialects. =) i'm sure some cebuanos still get dumbfounded with the waray dialect.

@leo EB is eyeball. :)

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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2009, 01:13:25 AM »
kiamoy--thanks for the acronym translation! so when ms. da binsi says,

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Maybe you should EB us in March! so you'll practice talking with card core visayan TB people. How about that?
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Are you all suggesting I watch you all in March? The literal translation is "eyeball us in March," and now I am totally confused, where would I watch you all? Is there an interactive event going on?

Excuse the ignorance, I've just exposed myself as an illiterate Filipino American.  I know a little Spanish and Vietnamese though..



 



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« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2009, 02:07:44 AM »
Leo naa mi eyebal sa March. ug gusto jud ka ug kukabildo  nga way pugong2x apil karong March! hahahah tan awon nato ug inig uli nimo sa injo ug di ba ka mag binisaja! hahahha

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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2009, 02:20:09 AM »
haha! leo? EB is like meeting, talking, going out, with your virtual friend in person :)
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2009, 08:28:37 AM »
Leo naa mi eyebal sa March. ug gusto jud ka ug kukabildo  nga way pugong2x apil karong March! hahahah tan awon nato ug inig uli nimo sa injo ug di ba ka mag binisaja! hahahha

ha, if i understand you correct, it is pretty ridiculous if i go to the Philippines and can't speak visaya!  I will most likely have a lot of "binuang" moments on TB!

sayang wa ko basa visaya, pero like my lola always said i will keep trying "little by little"

did that make sense to anyone? We're way off topic, sorry ko.  How about the importance of teaching 2nd generation Filipinos abroad their mother dialects! Thus, we lose our connections and get laughed at by our own people.

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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2009, 08:33:31 AM »
Leo,

Welcome to Tubag Bohol!

This is where we Filipino-American youth can learn more about our ancestral land. And our mother dialect. The beauty of this site is that we can share and at the same time learn.

See you in the forums, bud.

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« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2009, 03:49:48 AM »
My mother tongue is Tagalog having been educated and brought up in Paranaque. Tagalog is well spoken but at home it is Bol-anon. Mang gawas ning kasaba ug sermon binol-anon jamo. So when my parents decided to return to Bohol I was barely 17, makasabot nako pag ajo, jungit lang. If the language is taught bilingually its not hard for the kids.
My comments about english proficiency; rich German families enroll their kids in an International school where english is spoken through and through and German takes only 2 hour per day, that is during german languages course only. So you could imagine that they know english proficiency brings an edge.
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« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2009, 04:03:20 PM »
thousands of koreans are flocking Philippine schools to learn English.  Na pay uban nga via internet lang magkat-on pero pinoy ang coach/teacher.

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« Reply #46 on: January 21, 2009, 04:55:26 AM »
The Philippines out competes any other Asian country, imho.

The Philippine Society is-western friendly; in fact there are even historians who would argue that the Philippines is WESTERN on basis of culture.

We are one of the few nations in Asia where English is a major language. Proficiency of said language is rather high and most Filipinos speak English, as compared to other ASEAN member states or other nations in Asia-Pacific.

A century ago, even, the Filipino was proficient and fluent in Spanish. Another Western language, albeit, a Latin Romance language instead of the Germanic English.

This is why the Filipino adapts so perfectly in Western Societies. Either it be in The United States, or in Europe or even in Latin America.

History has prejudiced him to that aspect.

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« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2009, 05:00:32 AM »
It cannot be hidden from the world of the mastery and proficiency of the FILIPINO.

When I go to any hospital or any intensive care clinic, I can hold my head up high because I will immediately see that the D.O.N (Director of Nursing) is going to be Filipino/Filipina. The Physician-Surgeon staff is going to be composed of a significant amount of Filipinos speaking in perfect english. Why even if the Filipino medical professional retains his or her Filipino accent, his or her proficiency in that language is brilliant.

But that proficiency is secondary to the absolute mastery and dedication the Filipino Nurse and/or Filipino Doctor in the floor.

When the patient comes to the hospital for an ailment. They will see the Filipino, enrobed in the scrubs, white coat and surrender their care to that professional.

You see this in here in the USA, in Canada and I assure you also in the EU.


When you go to the hospital, or when you even think of the medical professional. Only one asian group dominates that field and it is either the Filipino or the Indian national.

God BLESS the Filipino!

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« Reply #48 on: January 21, 2009, 08:29:06 AM »
Naa pa ba diay kamao mag English speaking ug usapang Tagalog sa Pilipinas? I thought we have another new language..isn't "Taglish" is daily spoken?  :-\  Asenso na gjod ang mga Pinoy kay perti gjod kamaayo mo-imbento.  Bisan mga politiko sak-sak sinagol ang ilang linguahe. Operation "Jama-2x" sa Binol-anon pa. ;)

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« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2009, 04:20:31 PM »
 
Decline of education blamed on “deterioration of English proficiency”
by Grace on November 28th, 2006
Such a “rapid decline in the English competency of Filipinos would eventually erode the competitiveness of the country’s human resources, both here and abroad”… A quote attributed to Senator Edgardo J. Angara.

This was in reference to a bill that passed last month restoring English as the primary language of instruction from high school onwards. The bill was created as Congress’ response to the declining proficiency on the use of the English language in communications. (The Education Department adopted a bilingual program in 1987 to promote the use of Tagalog, the other official language.)

According to a recent government study, only 7 percent of high school graduates can properly read, speak or understand English, and poorly trained teachers are partly to blame, it said.

According to a (separate) study conducted by the European Chamber of Commerce of the Philippines, 75 percent of the more than 400,000 Filipino students that graduate from college each year have “substandard English skills.”


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« Reply #50 on: January 21, 2009, 08:41:24 PM »
According to a recent government study, only 7 percent of high school graduates can properly read, speak or understand English, and poorly trained teachers are partly to blame, it said.

According to a (separate) study conducted by the European Chamber of Commerce of the Philippines, 75 percent of the more than 400,000 Filipino students that graduate from college each year have “substandard English skills.”

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Tinoud ka Sir frdaray.  Dihay TV report diri mahitungod sa mga Pinoys/Pinays bahin niini (basta gikan tos sa Singapore or Malaysia ba). Nangreklamo ang mga amo. Unsaon lagi pod nga daghan baya pong magtutudlo nga pinuwakan rapod ang ilang English. Sorry!
Daghan lagi  nga pwerting pagka "slang" sa English kay America lagi gikan unja dili gjod kahibalo mosulat ug klaro.

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2009, 02:39:48 AM »
Monday, March 2. 2009
English vs mother tongue as a medium of instruction
(Following is the transcript of the segment "Analysis by Winnie Monsod" which aired on News on Q on Jan. 26, 2009. Prof. Winnie Monsod is the resident analyst of News on Q which airs weeknights at 9:30 p.m. on Q Channel 11.)

Before we discuss the so-called Gullas bill or the proposed act strengthening and enhancing the use of English as a medium of instruction, let's get a backgrounder on the state of education in the Philippines.

For every 100 children that start grade one in our country, only 65 will reach Grade 6, the others having dropped out along the way (with 18 of the dropouts occurring between Grade 1 and Grade 2). What this means is that even before these children are 12 years old, more than one third of them are essentially condemned to poverty.

That is not all. The net enrollment ratios have been steadily decreasing between 2003 and 2007, and for the Philippines, that has gone down from 90.3% to 83.2%.

The quality of that education is abysmal. Only 26% or a little over ¼ of 6th graders have a mastery of English, where mastery is defined as obtaining a score of 75% or higher in English, 31% of those students have a mastery of Math and 15% have a mastery of Science.

And if that is abysmal, that means the quality of high school education has to be the pits because only 7% of them have mastery in English. 16% have mastery in Math... 2% have mastery in Science.

Even college does not help: only 2 to 7% of college graduates who apply for positions in BPOs show English mastery, and even then, they have to undergo another three months of training to increase their competence.

This is where the Gullas bill comes in. The rationale of that bill is that if we want to have greater competence in English, and be in a position to take advantage, or compete in a globalized world, English must be used as the medium of instruction from Grade 3 onwards.

Now everyone will agree that we need greater competence in English to be competitive in a globalized world. But educators or those who have done education research will disagree that using English as the medium of instruction will accomplish that goal.
As a matter of fact, they point out that research findings are unequivocal, that to achieve greater mastery in English or Filipino, the most effective medium of instruction is in the child's mother tongue that is her first language or the language spoken at home.

Studies in country after country bear this out. Teaching in an official school language that is not the mother tongue is a major barrier in the child's learning.

In the Philippines, the experiment was conducted in Kalinga, where teachers use Kalinga to teach children from Grades 1 to 3 to read and write. It is also the medium of instruction for teaching other subjects, including Filipino and English.

Out of the 10 districts in the Kalinga division, the Lubuagan district topped the 2006 national achievement test Grade 3 reading test for both English and Filipino, with mean scores of 76.55% and 76.45 respectively, which indicates mastery. The Tinglayan district came in a far second, registered only 63.89% and 53.58%.

The Gullas bill has very good intentions. But, as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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« Reply #52 on: March 25, 2009, 01:06:05 PM »
I maybe somewhat out of topic but I was scanning the messages in this thread... wa jud ko kakita ni Datu Dagohoy mi hirit... maayo untag mihirit pud siya ani... ;D

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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #53 on: March 25, 2009, 01:12:31 PM »
Something I got from TAGGED which I find somewhat amusing so I'll also share it...
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We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes,
But the plural of ox becomes oxen, not oxes.
One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese,
Yet the plural of moose should never be meese.
You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice,
Yet the plural of house is houses, not hice.

If the plural of man is always called men,
Then shouldn't the plural of pan be called pen?
If I speak of my foot and show you my feet,
And I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet?
If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth,
Why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth?

Then one may be that, and three would be those,
Yet hat in the plural would never be hose,
And the plural of cat is cats, not cose.
We speak of a brother and also of brethren,
But though we say mother, we never say methren.
Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him,
But imagine the feminine: she, shis and shim!

Let's face it - English is a crazy language.
There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger;
neither apple nor pine in pineapple.
English muffins weren't invented in England.
We take English for granted, but if we explore its paradoxes,
we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square,
and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig.

And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing,
grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?
Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend.
If you have a bunch of o! dds and ends
and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught?
If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?
Sometimes I think all the folks who grew up speaking English
should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane.

In what other language do people recite at a play and play at a recital?
We ship by truck but send cargo by ship.
We have noses that run and feet that smell.
We park in a driveway and drive in a parkway.
And how can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same,
while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites?

You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language
in which your house can burn up as it burns
down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out,
and in which an alarm goes off by going on.

And in closing, if Father is Pop, how come Mother's not Mop?

AND IF PEOPLE FROM POLAND ARE CALLED POLES THEN PEOPLE FROM HOLLAND SHOULD BE
HOLES AND THE GERMANS, GERMS 

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« Reply #54 on: March 25, 2009, 01:20:33 PM »
english in the philippines? ay di "engpino", english man leaving in the philippines. hehehe!

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« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2009, 01:30:49 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2009, 02:42:38 PM »
Pilipinos are very good in  "carabao english", especially TB members.

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« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2009, 04:32:30 PM »
huh? im kinda not strict with grammar here in tb as i know that messages are haphazardly posted.

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« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2009, 04:47:56 PM »
were free to use informal no grammar carabao and binol-anon english here. i don care mah frend

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« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2009, 11:49:43 PM »
grammar o no grammar, being understood is what's important.

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« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2009, 09:45:11 AM »
English seems to be a hot  topic here.

In some forums, a topic is classified hot when there are more than 20 replies in the thread.

I see a lot of people getting hot when a moderator strikes off a comment.

Some are too hot they reply to a topic without even thinking first.

Then again, some topics here are too hot to handle in public and are better left off in the bedroom. Maniid na lang ang mga shy.

When Gretchen Barretto visited town with an unidentified male companion (si Rustom daw), it became hot gossip even here.

Some avatars are too hot--I wonder if the person behind it is as hot?

A Japanese studying English once asked me, is the sensation of having your tongue scalded by boiling soup the same as eating chili pepper? When I replied not really, he followed it up with, "Why do you say hot for both soup and chili?"

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And they say English is hot because it is a rich language. Still, I wonder why they use only one word to mean so many things.




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Re: English in the Philippines
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2009, 11:23:43 AM »
Bene san mo balik na sa Bread ni Tiya Grasi! hahahhaa

Huy you look good in your avatar! you looked fit my friend!

now is that hot enough? (jawk)

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« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2009, 11:32:57 AM »
oh mora lagi pud ug japanese na ug byuti ka sir benelyne

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« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2009, 11:55:47 AM »
Bene san mo balik na sa Bread ni Tiya Grasi! hahahhaa

Huy you look good in your avatar! you looked fit my friend!

now is that hot enough? (jawk)

hahahhaha

ps. yeah you look good, i mean it!


Hi Belle,

Namula man akong agtang nimo uy, ug niinit kalit, hot as in gihilantan!

But talking about hot, your lips can give Angelina Jolie a run for her money!

The Road, istoryahi unya ko kung ok na. Is that also hot, as in the bestseller's list?



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« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2009, 11:59:35 AM »
oh mora lagi pud ug japanese na ug byuti ka sir benelyne

matingala bitaw sila sa airport nganong green akong passport

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« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2009, 12:12:38 PM »
Ang mga TB ay tulad nga  mga malansang isda.
Hindi nagmahal sa ating sariling wika.

Talagsa ra ko makabasa ug mga post nga Filipino.
Kadaghanan Engbis. (english bisaya).

Its because Boholanos are not so fluent in Filipino.

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« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2009, 12:18:55 PM »
Ang mga TB ay tulad nga  mga malansang isda.
Hindi nagmahal sa ating sariling wika.

Talagsa ra ko makabasa ug mga post nga Filipino.
Kadaghanan Engbis. (english bisaya).

Its because Boholanos are not so fluent in Filipino.

posting messages in english does not make us less Filipino.
there are other ways of expressing one's nationalism.
if a Filipino is more comfortable in speaking and writing English, would that make him less Filipino?

remember, Rizal wrote the Noli and El Fili in Spanish. and Mi Ultimo Adios was written spanish too.

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« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2009, 12:45:57 PM »
posting messages in english does not make us less Filipino.
there are other ways of expressing one's nationalism.
if a Filipino is more comfortable in speaking and writing English, would that make him less Filipino?

remember, Rizal wrote the Noli and El Fili in Spanish. and Mi Ultimo Adios was written spanish too.


good point  Cals! agree ko 120% ahaha nang labaw na!

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« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2009, 01:29:07 PM »
matingala bitaw sila sa airport nganong green akong passport

japanese gud siguro ila tan-aw nimo  sir benelyne, unsay color passport nila?

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« Reply #71 on: March 27, 2009, 11:53:05 AM »
Ang mga TB ay tulad nga  mga malansang isda.
Hindi nagmahal sa ating sariling wika.

Talagsa ra ko makabasa ug mga post nga Filipino.
Kadaghanan Engbis. (english bisaya).

Its because Boholanos are not so fluent in Filipino.

BULL-s***!!! Nganong ipamugos man gyud nang Tagalog unya ilaha pang ang-gaan kunog "Filipino"! Oppression man na sa atoang mga bisdak. Porque naa sa Luzon ang atoang seat of government? Og buot huna-hunaun mas dakung porsyento ang binisaya kaysa Tagalog !!! Mao bitaw nga sa Cebu binisaya o iningles ang national anthem kay mo kontra gyud mi anang Filipino nga basically Tagalog.  I can fuckin' speak and write Tagalog aka Filipino in correct grammar but don't anybody fuckin' say that we are less Pinoy because we "bisdaks" are not fluent in Fuckin' Tagalog aka Filipino... HELL NO !!!!!!     

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« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2009, 12:00:21 PM »

good point  Cals! agree ko 120% ahaha nang labaw na!

HOY! bag-o na man kag avatar kagwanga ka.hehehe

busy siguro ka basa-basa anang imung libro kay usahay na man ka idungog diri sa tb. abi nakog natinoud na imung pagkadakop adtong nagposas nimu.

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« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2009, 01:44:26 PM »
Okey, mag Engbis ta diri sa TB.

Dili ko mag Filipino kay masapid akong dila.

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« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2009, 02:31:18 PM »
BULL-s***!!! Nganong ipamugos man gyud nang Tagalog unya ilaha pang ang-gaan kunog "Filipino"! Oppression man na sa atoang mga bisdak. Porque naa sa Luzon ang atoang seat of government? Og buot huna-hunaun mas dakung porsyento ang binisaya kaysa Tagalog !!! Mao bitaw nga sa Cebu binisaya o iningles ang national anthem kay mo kontra gyud mi anang Filipino nga basically Tagalog.  I can fuckin' speak and write Tagalog aka Filipino in correct grammar but don't anybody fuckin' say that we are less Pinoy because we "bisdaks" are not fluent in Fuckin' Tagalog aka Filipino... HELL NO !!!!!!     

masuko diay!

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« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2009, 02:43:22 PM »
huh? im kinda not strict with grammar here in tb as i know that messages are haphazardly posted.

When we take the time to check our grammar, we also have the time to review what we're saying.

Kay tungod kasagara spur-of-the-moment reaction man lagi, kasagara haphazard pud ang pagka-organize sa hunana sa atong gi-post.

Sadly, bad grammar and poorly organized sentences more often than not become the source of misunderstanding.

This principle applies not only when we're using English to communicate our thoughts, but also when we're using Bisaya, Tagalog, Ilonggo or any other language.  Bisan baya Binol-anon, Waray, Japanese naay rules of grammar and punctuation. Following at least the basic rules will convey our thoughts more clearly to others.



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« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2009, 03:54:10 PM »
Noted. (yataps, wa na koy excuse sir ben nga sa tinoud galisud ra ba tawn kog english! hehehe)

anyways, you don't have to follow the so-called basic rules in grammar to convey your thoughts.

i think, and i believe, that tb members, through the years, have developed ways to decipher our ways of murdering the english language. may the language rest in peace.

peace, sir ben.

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« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2009, 04:17:16 PM »
Hi Calle,

Dili baya ko English teacher or grammar police. Don't get me wrong, I never pick a fight over English. I also have my own lapses. I agree, our wavelengths here have already converged so that we can "decipher ways of murdering the English language" and get away with it. Dili baya ni phrase nga magama sa usa ka tawo nga galisud tawn ug English. In fact, you are very articulate. Abogado ka no?  I think my mother who is a retired English teacher will give you an A for creative writing.

Diri sa TB, magkasinabtanay jud ta tanan kay lain-lain man tag gigikanan, points of view, backgrounds, and yet keep an open mind. When we are talking on the same wavelength, rules of grammar should serve and not restrict nor oppress us.



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« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2009, 06:06:17 PM »
Going to the issue of english in Pinas, I think we have less facilities to widen our english knowledge like, books, magazines, DVD, etc.
Most of our teachers are less motivated for being poorly paid.
I remember my english teacher in Pasay City high ( now East), Ms Velasco had a rolled paper, with the daily practice of phonetics, say for example;
boat-bought
soap-soup
binocular-vernacular
genes-jeans
lead(v)-lead(metal)
I was toying the idea of a bus with truckloads of reading materials for far flung schools, for children maybe some give aways, this project is good for a foundation which might be based anywhere. Books which i s not needed anymore here abroad, just like what Jun Ayag did in Anda ( Grace donated promptly).
Ninidot  unta kon ma-realize ni nato sa Bohol, dili ba?

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« Reply #79 on: March 27, 2009, 08:46:34 PM »
Hi Calle,

Dili baya ko English teacher or grammar police. Don't get me wrong, I never pick a fight over English. I also have my own lapses. I agree, our wavelengths here have already converged so that we can "decipher ways of murdering the English language" and get away with it. Dili baya ni phrase nga magama sa usa ka tawo nga galisud tawn ug English. In fact, you are very articulate. Abogado ka no?  I think my mother who is a retired English teacher will give you an A for creative writing.

Diri sa TB, magkasinabtanay jud ta tanan kay lain-lain man tag gigikanan, points of view, backgrounds, and yet keep an open mind. When we are talking on the same wavelength, rules of grammar should serve and not restrict nor oppress us.


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« Reply #80 on: March 27, 2009, 09:24:23 PM »
Your English is good but I need cash. He he...

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« Reply #81 on: March 27, 2009, 09:56:46 PM »
if you can write it correctly, why not do it.
if you cannot, yet you can still be understood, why the fuss?


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« Reply #82 on: March 27, 2009, 10:04:12 PM »
More and more English-speaking people are joining our forum. Precy's and Ben's water buffalo is at home with our carabao (English). Murag tabla ra man sa sungagay sa grammar usahay. So yes, why the fuss?

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« Reply #83 on: March 27, 2009, 10:43:11 PM »
tempers blow if someone's post one cannot know
then i know it's time for one to go

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« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2009, 10:47:10 PM »
HOY! bag-o na man kag avatar kagwanga ka.hehehe

busy siguro ka basa-basa anang imung libro kay usahay na man ka idungog diri sa tb. abi nakog natinoud na imung pagkadakop adtong nagposas nimu.

pagbasa suway ug tagalog nga novel, mdb, arun dili masuko/mangloud si sir felix.


huy na unsa ka diha! hahahha

namuot man ko anang kagwang kay mao jud na gamiton sa kong papa sa una!

hahahha!

huy mga kaigsoonan, kon kamo naa sa TRIBU nga puro lahi ang sinultian, like me diri sa Mt Pleasant nga puro puti,

ganahan jud sila mamati nako ug ako na ang mo ngabngab agi sa akong ininglisan.

Honest bisan si banana, di jud sha gusto nga fluent ko maninglis! kay mawa na daw akong pagka Pilipina,

kay yunik daw! see??? nganong MAGTRALALA gud mo sa inyung ininglisan?

sigi lang ug naay manaway kay Pinoy raman sad manaway nato ug nagka TU-ERES atong ininglis.

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« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2009, 01:32:25 AM »
BULL-s***!!! Nganong ipamugos man gyud nang Tagalog unya ilaha pang ang-gaan kunog "Filipino"! Oppression man na sa atoang mga bisdak. Porque naa sa Luzon ang atoang seat of government? Og buot huna-hunaun mas dakung porsyento ang binisaya kaysa Tagalog !!! Mao bitaw nga sa Cebu binisaya o iningles ang national anthem kay mo kontra gyud mi anang Filipino nga basically Tagalog.  I can fuckin' speak and write Tagalog aka Filipino in correct grammar but don't anybody fuckin' say that we are less Pinoy because we "bisdaks" are not fluent in Fuckin' Tagalog aka Filipino... HELL NO !!!!!!     

no need for the expletives siguro oi!

Okey, mag Engbis ta diri sa TB.

Dili ko mag Filipino kay masapid akong dila.

You are so cool, Sir. 

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« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2009, 01:32:53 PM »
I can write at least correct grammar in  Pilipino, but i can not talk with correct diction
and accent.  Mogawas ang akong pagkaBol-anon.

Bisag unsaon nato diri sa TB basta makasabot ta.

Ok lang calle and benelyenne.

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« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2009, 01:54:19 PM »
I can write at least correct grammar in  Pilipino, but i can not talk with correct diction
and accent.  Mogawas ang akong pagkaBol-anon.

Bisag unsaon nato diri sa TB basta makasabot ta.

Ok lang calle and benelyenne.

OK lang kaayo ko, Sir. Tanan man nga post diri masabtan naku, kay matud pa ni Calle, we have developed ways of mutually deciphering our ways of murdering the English language. Importante magkasinabtanay ta. Let us make grammar serve us, not us slaving for grammar. Kay kato ganing mga puti nga kauban natu diri, di lang murder naa pay mutilation ilang grammar usahay, sinabtanay man gihapon ta.

Sukol man gihapon ko Tagalog, kay advantage man natu nang mga Bisaya nga wa ang mga Tagalog. Naa untay thread para sa praktis sa Tinagalog para sa mga Bol-anon nga gusto mutuon ani.

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« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2009, 11:06:47 AM »
kung di lang ta sirado sa atong pagpaminaw, makasabot ug magkasinabot man jud ta

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« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2009, 01:46:40 PM »
mao jud, bahala gud ug magsagol sagol ang sinultian basta masabtan lang pud.

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« Reply #90 on: March 30, 2009, 12:16:18 AM »
maminaw, magpatalinghog...kana ray yawi sa pagsinabtinay sa kalibutan

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« Reply #91 on: March 30, 2009, 09:06:50 AM »
maminaw, magpatalinghog...kana ray yawi sa pagsinabtinay sa kalibutan

maayo unta nga kung maminaw man gani ug magpatalinghug, unta pud mutuhop sa ilang alimpatakan.

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« Reply #92 on: March 30, 2009, 09:33:12 AM »
maayo unta nga kung maminaw man gani ug magpatalinghug, unta pud mutuhop sa ilang alimpatakan.

(bay, giwala-wala na ta ni grace sa iyang ampalaya challenge.)


mao lagi, wa na managad ag baje.

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« Reply #93 on: March 30, 2009, 09:46:56 AM »
Tungod tingali sa daghang sinultihan and Pilipinas maoy hinungdan nga backward
pa ta sa ubang countries sa Asia . Dili ta magkasinabot sa ideals, principles, goals
and programs of the government because of  so many languages.

Japan and China have  only one language. Japanese study English as a subject,
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Ngano ang Pinoy hawod sa English wala man ta moasenso.?


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« Reply #94 on: March 30, 2009, 09:47:55 AM »
ahak tong bajeha, nawa man pud ug kalit sa tb sa pag-abot sa iyang march 19 deadline.

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« Reply #95 on: March 30, 2009, 09:51:33 AM »
Tungod tingali sa daghang sinultihan and Pilipinas maoy hinungdan nga backward
pa ta sa ubang countries sa Asia . Dili ta magkasinabot sa ideals, principles, goals
and programs of the government because of  so many languages.

Japan and China have  only one language. Japanese study English as a subject,
and also the Chinese.

Ngano ang Pinoy hawod sa English wala man ta moasenso.?


asenso man ta.

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« Reply #96 on: March 30, 2009, 10:12:03 AM »
ahak tong bajeha, nawa man pud ug kalit sa tb sa pag-abot sa iyang march 19 deadline.

kinsa may na missing calle?

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« Reply #97 on: March 30, 2009, 12:23:47 PM »
no need for the expletives siguro oi!

You are so cool, Sir. 

YES, it wasn't necessary to use expletives but I just can't help it if somebody even implies that not being able to speak Pilipino(Tagalog) is not Filipino enough because as I had mentioned before, it is a form of oppression by fellow Filipinos particularly of or from Luzon who are a "minority" in terms of having a widely used and more understood Bisayan or Bisayan-based dialect/s. Are we "Mga Bis/Daks" going to tolerate the berating of our Tagalog/Tagalog speaking brethren? Naa bitaw tay usa ka post nga mipagawas sa mga na tilawan natong mga bugal-bugal og panginsulto sa atoa rapung igsoong Pinoy pagkangalan nga Bisaya ta, og nila pa "promdi" short for "from the mountains". Ako dili ko mo-tolerate ng biay-biayon tungod sa akoang pagka Bisaya. Ambot lang kaha ninyo kon mosugot ramo.  My thread is veering quite far from from what we are supposed to be discussing.   

My point on this post is that we as "Bisdaks" were once envied by our fellow Pinoys in the North and the South of the country because of our fluency in the English language. But sad to note that because of the insistence of the usage of Pilipino as a medium of instruction and the flooding of mundane mind-numbing Tagalog soap operas, added by the sad period in the Philippine education system wherein enrolling in the course of Education was the way for "bobos" and "bobas" back then, to earn a college degree. It was also at this period in Philippine history that teachers, educators where maligned (which still happens today) for being poor educators which eventually produced also poor quality of graduates... And indeed we need to improve and once again regain our fame as fluent english speakers and communicators if we are to ride the bandwagon of ICT(information communication technology) corridor kay moangay tag sa dili, dako jud og sweldo ang mga nanarbabo sa call centers unya daghang kog nailhang mga amigo as well as acquaintances nga na haw-as sa ilang pagka ala-ot (economically-speaking) tungod kay naay miyembro sa pamilya nga naka trabahog call center. Mas maayo pang naa rata dinhi trabaho pero daku-daku og ma earn kaysa toa lagi sa layo pero mahilayo pud sa pamilya.       

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« Reply #98 on: March 30, 2009, 12:32:56 PM »
kinsa may na missing calle?

si grazie, jan, ang baje nga dili makatulon ug palija. na syay challenge nga mukaon ug palija by mar 19 kay ana pa nga date muabot ang stock sa Filipino store.

karun wa na pakita si grazie. nagkapoy tawon to post si glacier ug fdaray ug mga recipes sa palija.

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« Reply #99 on: March 30, 2009, 12:34:41 PM »
oi lami man ang palija ganahan ko ana gisahon sagulan ug 8log ug ujap.  lami unta ikaon ana kaso wala man dire na sa indiana calle oi, nagda kog liso gikan sa dauis, ambot ug mutubo ba ni dire nga imbes spring na tugnaw paman kaajo, di mabangbang

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