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The Philippines is invading China?
« on: April 20, 2011, 12:27:26 AM »
China accuses PH of ‘invasion’

Tells UN diplomatic protest on Spratlys map is ‘unacceptable’

By Tessa Jamandre
Vera Files

China has accused the Philippines of "invading" the South China Sea which it claims as wholly its own, the first time it has ever done so.

"Since 1970s, the Republic of the Philippines started to invade and occupy some islands and reefs of China’s Nansha Islands and made relevant territorial claims, to which China objects strongly," China said in a note verbale submitted April 14 to the United Nations in reply to the protest lodged by the Philippines on April 5.

"The Republic of the Philippines’ occupation of some islands and reefs of China’s Nansha islands as well as other related acts constitutes infringement upon China’s territorial sovereignty," according to the note verbale.

Early this month, the Philippines filed a diplomatic protest against China’s 9-dash line territorial claim over the whole of South China Sea, including the Spratlys group, a cluster of oil-rich islands disputed by the Philippines, China and three other countries.

The protest was lodged nearly two years after China filed its 9-dash line map to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS). Other claimants, Vietnam and Malaysia, filed their protests the day after China filed its claim in May 2009. Indonesia, which is not among the claimants, filed its protest over China’s map last year.

Of all four diplomatic protests lodged against China’s 9-dash line map, it was only the Philippine protest that China singled out through its note verbale to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon.

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2011, 12:32:33 AM »

China said the "so-called Kalayaan Island Group claimed by the Philippines is part of China’s Nansha Islands" which, it said, has been clearly defined. It said it has given publicity since the 1930s to this claim over Nansha’s geographical scope and the names of its components.

China’s language in its recent diplomatic protest is unlike its usual phraseology of reiterating "Nansha Islands have been part of the territory of China since ancient time and that it has indisputable sovereignty over it and its surrounding maritime areas."

It has now used stronger language and mentioned the strong objection it has made each time as basis for its consistent position that any claim by any other nation to territorial sovereignty over the Spratlys chain in the South China Sea is null and void.

Refuting the Philippines’ assertion of sovereignty and jurisdiction over the waters around or adjacent to each relevant geological feature in the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) by virtue of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea’s (UNCLOS) principle of "la terre domine la mer" or "the land dominates the sea," China said the Philippines can in no way invoke such "illegal" occupation to support its territorial claims under the legal doctrine, "ex injuria jus non oritur," or "a right cannot rise from a wrong."

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2011, 12:35:58 AM »

The Philippine protest that China replied to similarly in a note verbale before the UN Commission on the Law of the Sea came at a stressful time in their bilateral relations after China executed three Filipino drug convicts on March 30, despite a request for leniency from Aquino. It also came after the Philippines filed a diplomatic protest on March 3 over Chinese incursion into Reed Bank, 250 kilometers west of Palawan, where an oil exploration is ongoing. Reed Bank is part of the KIG and is also being claimed by China and Vietnam.

A senior official at the Department of Foreign Affairs said the protest must be "delinked" from the March 30 executions. While the Philippine protest was expected, it was to China’s wonder why it took time.

"It took time for us because the relations that we have nurtured over the decade are important to us. Our excellent relations are paramount. We don’t want to mar it," the official said. "But since it infringes on our sovereignty, we have to do something. Otherwise we cannot face the Filipino people and let that opportunity pass without registering our protest," he said.

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2011, 04:17:03 AM »
bali siguro, ang mga chinese maoy ni invade sa philippines. di ba sila mga chinese ang ni top sa pinakadaghan ug ni migrate diri sa pinas.

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2011, 04:21:59 AM »
This is very sensitive. I fear that the Chinese Navy will not repeat its 1988-1989 massacre of Vietnamese navy troops when it clashed with Vietnam's Navy on regards to the Vietnamese islands that are also claimed by China.



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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 09:13:41 AM »
Refuting the Philippines’ assertion of sovereignty and jurisdiction over the waters around or adjacent to each relevant geological feature in the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG) by virtue of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea’s (UNCLOS) principle of "la terre domine la mer" or "the land dominates the sea," China said the Philippines can in no way invoke such "illegal" occupation to support its territorial claims under the legal doctrine, "ex injuria jus non oritur," or "a right cannot rise from a wrong."

ergo, just because china was wrong in claiming the whole archipelago and its surrounding sea lanes, the philippines has lost its rights under the UNCLOS?

time to change the name 'china sea' to something more inclusive, like 'asian sea', for starters.  the name 'persian gulf' is slowly disappearing in favor of the more inclusive 'arabian gulf', so why not do away with 'south china sea' because the sea does not belong to china anyway? 

(pacific and atlantic sound universal; if only we can do away with names like china sea, indian ocean, philippine sea, etc.)   

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2011, 09:15:16 AM »

The Philippine protest that China replied to similarly in a note verbale before the UN Commission on the Law of the Sea came at a stressful time in their bilateral relations after China executed three Filipino drug convicts on March 30, despite a request for leniency from Aquino. It also came after the Philippines filed a diplomatic protest on March 3 over Chinese incursion into Reed Bank, 250 kilometers west of Palawan, where an oil exploration is ongoing. Reed Bank is part of the KIG and is also being claimed by China and Vietnam.

A senior official at the Department of Foreign Affairs said the protest must be "delinked" from the March 30 executions. While the Philippine protest was expected, it was to China’s wonder why it took time.

"It took time for us because the relations that we have nurtured over the decade are important to us. Our excellent relations are paramount. We don’t want to mar it," the official said. "But since it infringes on our sovereignty, we have to do something. Otherwise we cannot face the Filipino people and let that opportunity pass without registering our protest," he said.

One can't get any lamer than that... :P

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2011, 09:23:50 AM »
One can't get any lamer than that... :P

diplomatese for "heaven help us, we're so scared of the giant."?

we can credit our country at least for its efforts to negotiate through this prickly forest where a domineering giant looms for the kill.

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2011, 09:26:21 AM »
[In 2009], the Philippine Senate passed a bill marking out its maritime boundaries in the country’s claim to part of the islands, taking care to acknowledge rival claims.

It was this legislative move that brought about the column of Hongkong-based Chip Tsao who belittled the Filipinos as “a nation of servants” and implied that our country punches too high beyond its reach for claiming the islands like China.  


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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2011, 09:32:54 AM »

diplomatese for "heaven help us, we're so scared of the giant."?

we can credit our country at least for its efforts to negotiate through this prickly forest where a domineering giant looms for the kill.

Hmm, a perfect objective correlative for the situation obtaining in TB?   :-X

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2011, 09:36:06 AM »
It was this legislative move that brought about the column of Hongkong-based Chip Tsao who belittled the Filipinos as “a nation of servants” and implied that our country punches too high beyond its reach for claiming the islands like China.  

we may punch too high beyond our reach (or much like a maidservant attending a high-society party?), but then countries, like people, can also offer surprises.  and talking of punches, pacquiao's shorter reach had prevailed.  as for the maidservant, well, cinderella is mirrored many times over by life's verities.  

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2011, 09:39:41 AM »
Hmm, a perfect objective correlative for the situation obtaining in TB?   :-X

i doubt it, though.  this here isn't prickly, the giant can't really kill, and my punch is, hahaha!, just that, my punch. ;D :P

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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2011, 10:01:10 AM »

i doubt it, though.  this here isn't prickly, the giant can't really kill, and my punch is, hahaha!, just that, my punch. ;D :P

Hinuon pud. Superpowerdom can likewise be just a state of mind, after all... ;D

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2011, 12:40:47 PM »
China cannot attack the Philippines or engage her military directly because of the obvious fact that the Republic of the Philippines is a strategic ally of the United States of America. The United States operates a military base in Jolo, which is strategically located in the southern belly of the Philippines , and in close proximity to the Spratly's. The United States Navy operates a defensive perimeter throughout the islands; any hostile Chinese military movements would / and will gain the attention of the US Pacific Naval Command. The alliance between Manila and Washington entails a direct and immediate American military intervention, a nuclear umbrella, that would protect the Philippines in the event that it was invaded or attacked.

Because the Philippines is a strategic ally of the United States, China has to restrain herself. Engaging Manila directly would attract the even larger American Bear.

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2011, 12:29:25 AM »

Kalayaan, Palawan

Kalayaan is a 5th class municipality in the province of Palawan, Philippines. According to the 2000 census, it has a population of 223 people in 12 households.

Kalayaan is composed of only one barangay, Pag-Asa. This island has a 1.3 km airstrip that is used both by the military and civilians. It has a regulated civilian population of about 350, most of whom are fishermen. This civilian population is the result of Philippine government initial efforts to put civilians in the Kalayaan. Once a month, a Philippine Navy Ship goes to this island to drop supplies of goods. This island has a water-filtering plant, power generators, weather stations and a communication tower which is built by the Philippine-based SMART Telecommunications.

The municipal government of Kalayaan is making new projects to promote tourism for the island. Also, they had been successful in convincing many Filipino businessmen to invest in Kalayaan. (wikipedia)



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The Philippines essentially claims only the western section of the Spratlys, which is nearest to Palawan. (wikipedia)

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Re: The Philippines is invading China?
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2011, 01:49:45 AM »
In a couple of months, this ship will be patrolling Philippine-claimed Spratly's. Let's see what the Chinese will say.






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