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History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« on: October 25, 2009, 06:52:40 AM »
We just received a very sad report from several teachers who expressed extreme disgust over Bohol's hosting of a history-related national conference, which was concluded last Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009.

According to the neglected participants, they have a very bad impression on Bohol because of the lamentable way the conference was organized and because of the disgusting treatment they got from organizers (read: disgusting food served).

There were several serious issues raised by history teachers - all coming from various schools/colleges/universities in the Philippines. (If you are one of the participants/teachers who paid 3,000 pesos for a two-day conference at Holy Name University (HNU), please register in this site and join the discussion).

1. Registration of 3,000 pesos (good for 2 days inclusive of lunch but without lodging) is too expensive and it wasn't worth it. No usher. No guide. A total mess.
2. Participants were not treated well.
3. No assistance given for their accommodation. Some ended up sleeping in a boarding house.
4. They were served with disgusting food packed in a poor paper bag (can't afford to buy a paper plate?). The worst thing was that the juice was served through a water jug and it was not even a juice drink but a colored water disguised as fruit juice (?).
5. Many of the participants left Bohol on the first day of the conference. Disgusted.
6. Many of the participants did not receive a conference kit.
7. The venue was held in a small room at HNU. They expected it'd be held in a more convenient area (Bohol Tropics, perhaps).
8. History teachers, history instructors from various universities in the Philippines who were interviewed alleged that the conference was nothing but a money-making venture?

More than 97 percent of the participants had rated the conference as "very poor", as revealed in a feedback survey distributed to history teachers/professors after the conference.

HNU, NHI, and NCCA have a lot of explaining to do.

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Re: Teachers Disgusted Over Bohol Hosting of National History Conference
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 12:02:39 PM »
Oi,naunsa man ni. Wa matarong nig organize ug plano.Kalooy pud sa mga maestra.

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Re: Teachers Disgusted Over Bohol Hosting of National History Conference
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 05:17:48 PM »
Headline should read-- History confab a historical fiasco

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 05:32:30 PM »
Headline should read-- History confab a historical fiasco

Perfect suggestion, Ben. Headline is changed. Thanks Ben!

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 06:44:11 PM »
Congratulations to the organizers, pahingi nga ng balato!

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 10:37:22 PM »

My guess is: the fact that they only booked a small room for the conference would indicate that they were expecting a small number of delegates--only those historians whose works caused the revision of history books, removal of historical markers or creating new ones. Perhaps publicizing it was a mistake. Daghan na hinoon mitambong nga mga history teachers. You know na baya what will happen if Bohol and venue. Apparently, the organizers filed to anticipate this would happen.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2009, 01:21:11 AM »
Bisan unsa pa ang palosot, guba na ang reputation as host.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2009, 02:16:32 AM »
pakauwaw lang jud

gatoo man tingali ning mga tawhana (organizers) nga meeting lang sa dajong ning ilang gibuhat, kay pwede rag adto ilawom sa manga ang tigum ug duhulan lag basong gibang aron sudlan sa kape ang nanambong. hahaha. 

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 10:26:04 AM »
Who will be held responsible? Of course the organizers..And who were the organizers??????

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2009, 10:36:29 AM »
I had a copy of this thread printed out and gave it to an agency in the provincial gov't to have them look into it and to contact the institution and the organizers to find out what happened. The furor is "bad for business". The Boholanos have worked hard to earn a good name and this thing happens! This needs looking into and I will talk to some of our fellow media practitioners that they might also look into...   

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2009, 10:53:29 AM »
.....publicisng was a mistake....so theres should be no annoucements regarding this conference....duhhh ??? ??? ???....halerrrr......

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2009, 11:55:00 AM »
We just received a very sad report from several teachers who expressed extreme disgust over Bohol's hosting of a history-related national conference, which was concluded last Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009.

According to the neglected participants, they have a very bad impression on Bohol because of the lamentable way the conference was organized and because of the disgusting treatment they got from organizers (read: disgusting food served).

There were several serious issues raised by history teachers - all coming from various schools/colleges/universities in the Philippines. (If you are one of the participants/teachers who paid 3,000 pesos for a two-day conference at Holy Name University (HNU), please register in this site and join the discussion).

1. Registration of 3,000 pesos (good for 2 days inclusive of lunch but without lodging) is too expensive and it wasn't worth it. No usher. No guide. A total mess.
2. Participants were not treated well.
3. No assistance given for their accommodation. Some ended up sleeping in a boarding house.
4. They were served with disgusting food packed in a poor paper bag (can't afford to buy a paper plate?). The worst thing was that the juice was served through a water jug and it was not even a juice drink but a colored water disguised as fruit juice (?).
5. Many of the participants left Bohol on the first day of the conference. Disgusted.
6. Many of the participants did not receive a conference kit.
7. The venue was held in a small room at HNU. They expected it'd be held in a more convenient area (Bohol Tropics, perhaps).
8. History teachers, history instructors from various universities in the Philippines who were interviewed alleged that the conference was nothing but a money-making venture?

More than 97 percent of the participants had rated the conference as "very poor", as revealed in a feedback survey distributed to history teachers/professors after the conference.

HNU, NHI, and NCCA have a lot of explaining to do.

Unsa man na news ni? Unsa man katinuod ning istoryaha? Ngana na ba jod ka barat ang atong HNU? Is the source just word of mouth? How reliable is this source? Just want to hear more before ko moingog: hmmmm  ??? Hehehe...

Anyway, dugangig footnotes beh...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2009, 12:19:54 PM »
As I had just earlier mentioned I forwarded this info to an organization that has the authority to delve into this matter and will also refer it to my media friends once I can get the organization's investigation results which may determine whether or not I need to write an article in the local papers...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2009, 12:29:18 PM »
I had a talk with some of the teachers who participated in the conference, and what they told me is worse than what you read here.

What saddened me is that they now have a wrong impression on Bohol and the Bol-anons. And we cannot stop people from having that kind of impression because many of them were first-timers in our province. I told them that if it was the Provincial Government that organized the event, things could have been done better.

But I wonder whether the Provincial Government would charge 3,000 pesos for a 2-day talk.

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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2009, 12:52:03 PM »
BAI, if it were the Provincial Government that handled the event unya waly laing organizer, the participants would have been treated to site visits of historical landmarks, the Tarsier sanctuary and the Loboc River Cruise at least basta ang accomoodation dili lang sa Tropics but at some medyo lower priced function room or convention area pagka ngalan nga dili taga dinhi ang mga participants. Pero duda ko anang perti naka pangawarta ang ga-organize ana mao nang bulilyaso. Maayo nang masuta gyud og kinsay mga entities involved ana...

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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2009, 01:07:26 PM »
i suggest we forward this to ambeth ocampo, chair of nhi. he is a very good public servant.

maayo pa ako APEC Financial Regulators Training sa Asian Development Bank last week, attended by centralbankers and securities regulators from 15 countries around asia, smooth sailing pa though we were held in the lobby for some time because our registration papers did not reach ADB.

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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2009, 02:23:28 PM »
I dont believe that any gov't agency that would organize an event such as seminars and conferences would charge fees to the participants.
In fact I had attended gov't sponsored seminars, sila pa ang baghatag ug allowance......

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2009, 02:40:51 PM »
i think the 3k was only for the conference kit ( cd, materials etc) and for lunch/snacks for 2 days. other expenses will be shouldered by the participant of the conference.

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2009, 03:33:39 PM »
maybe it´s a "coference for a cause" a fund raising.

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2009, 03:35:11 PM »
First of all thanks to Zecurb for putting an action. it is clear that the organizers are amateurs, why they did not ask for some professional help?
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2009, 03:35:31 PM »
i think the 3k was only for the conference kit ( cd, materials etc) and for lunch/snacks for 2 days. other expenses will be shouldered by the participant of the conference.

Yes, for snacks. A participant told me that their snack was piniritong saging. Mao ga-complain sila nga they paid 3,000 pesos pero gimantinilan lang daw sila ug saging. I don't know pila ka dawin saging pud. Maayo nalang kay dili ginanggang nga saging.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2009, 06:36:07 PM »
Pila raman bitaw pud ang maabot sa 3,000 pero kompyansa mo ang saging karon mahal naman pud. Di siguro moreklamo ang nang attend ug gipasnck pa to pan sa goldilock.

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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2009, 07:34:12 PM »
I dont believe that any gov't agency that would organize an event such as seminars and conferences would charge fees to the participants.
In fact I had attended gov't sponsored seminars, sila pa ang baghatag ug allowance......

BAI! Ing-ani ni siya. Kon ang government agency dili mo-charge, naay laing organization nga ga-shoulder or ga-sponsor sa expenses sa activity. Dili madalag libre na siya unless kong maybe  ten or fewer  ang number of participants kay makaya ra tingali sa budget.

I can attest to this because I have also been sent and continually being sent to trainings/conventions/seminars/conferences and many others wherein which the main organizers are either LGUs or other gov't agencies and so far kaning libre unya dawat limpyo ang participnats unya naa pay allowance, pamilete nga back&forth + bongga pa nga kits and other freebies naa ni silay sponsors nga dagku unya multi-national or international pa. Sponsors such as USAID, AusAID, UNESCO, UNFPA, GREENPEACE, World Bank, World Vision are among a few of them. Even NGOs here in Bohol know of that.

Ang wala pa nako masulayi ang kanang outside of the country pa (although last year hapit unta kaso lang wala ko modayon kay wala koy personal pocket money ika gasto pang lakwatsa... ;D ;D ;D

Anyway, if the provincial government was also officially informed and tapped of that activity then mahitsura gyud to kay maulawan baya pud ta og ma unshami...   

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2009, 07:39:40 PM »
Pila raman bitaw pud ang maabot sa 3,000 pero kompyansa mo ang saging karon mahal naman pud. Di siguro moreklamo ang nang attend ug gipasnck pa to pan sa goldilock.

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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2009, 07:57:13 PM »
what a shame for something like this to happen. as has been mentioned, the blame belongs to the organizers who at this point has not yet been fully and clearly identified, only implied. is it HNU? kung sila man, then they should be made to explain.

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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2009, 08:33:14 PM »
Hala karon pako kabantay nga naisipyat ag gender. What I meant is that I root for the "PALAKERA" - Female version sa laking bergatot..hehehehe... ;D :D ;D :D

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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2009, 08:35:31 PM »
Hala karon pako kabantay nga naisipyat ag gender. What I meant is that I root for the "PALAKERA" - Female version sa laking bergatot..hehehehe... ;D :D ;D :D

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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2009, 09:45:24 PM »
Yes, for snacks. A participant told me that their snack was piniritong saging. Mao ga-complain sila nga they paid 3,000 pesos pero gimantinilan lang daw sila ug saging. I don't know pila ka dawin saging pud. Maayo nalang kay dili ginanggang nga saging.

Maayo unta kung kadto pang BBQ saging baligya atbang sa Holy Spirit - kadtong yellowish - maoy ge offer sa confab participants kay "to die for" jud tong mga saginga. Paresag coke naaaaaah daug na. Unya usab napod pagka ugma. Worth two days gyod hehehe.

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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2009, 10:07:33 PM »
Yes, for snacks. A participant told me that their snack was piniritong saging. Mao ga-complain sila nga they paid 3,000 pesos pero gimantinilan lang daw sila ug saging. I don't know pila ka dawin saging pud. Maayo nalang kay dili ginanggang nga saging.
Saman pud ning mga participants ani murag nag focus raman sila sa snacks dapat ilang gi reklamo dili ni.Ug nakalearn sila daghan history so worth ila money. Mike ug gipasnacks pa ni sila sa saging ginanggang part of history man pud ni kay sa wa pa mauso ang oil ginanggang ang uso sa mga sinaunang ninono nato. Basta di dapat ni reklamohon kay sa tinuod lang mahal na ang saging karon. Ug gihatagan to sila ug mga DVD ug ubang learning tools so bawi to ilang gibayad nga 3000.

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« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2009, 10:57:32 PM »
Di kaha laag/suroy-suroy sud sa huna2x sa mga non-Boholano participants mao nang disappointed sila kaayo kay wa sila isuroy sa ilang organizers? I'm just asking. Morag lami tong imong perspective Day RAQ. Besides our drive for good tourism, many groups (both government and non-governmental) choose Bohol kay nahan sila molaag sa ilang mga nakita kabahin sa Bohol almost everywhere: magazine, news, tv, TFC, etc. Sikat na jud tinuod ang Bohol. And that alone messes up any plan because of HIGH EXPECTATION... the bottomline line of which is "all about laag." Mao nang gimahalan sila sa 3K kay wa kalaag hehehe. Like the initial complaint: saging ra tawon ilaha! Mangil rag attend ug seminar nang uban, bwahaha (jok!)

Another question: apil ba ang plete nila sa 3K? I already heard food and lodging weren't included.

More facts please kay ato ni tabangag malmal... day off nako I have all the time  ;D

Anyway, my inital "ergo" is: Bohol is safe. Bohol is Bohol. Nothing's changed. Reputation intact. Kung di na sila moanha sa Bohol, better, we'll keep Bohol for ourselves. But of course, that won't happen. Bohol's exploding so much it can't be contained NO MORE! Dili mo motoo?

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2009, 11:03:33 PM »
why not file charges in the proper forum, to find out the people behind this scam. these unscropulous people have no doubt casted aspersions to the good name 'we've made for Bohol .
We just received a very sad report from several teachers who expressed extreme disgust over Bohol's hosting of a history-related national conference, which was concluded last Saturday, Oct. 24, 2009.

According to the neglected participants, they have a very bad impression on Bohol because of the lamentable way the conference was organized and because of the disgusting treatment they got from organizers (read: disgusting food served).

There were several serious issues raised by history teachers - all coming from various schools/colleges/universities in the Philippines. (If you are one of the participants/teachers who paid 3,000 pesos for a two-day conference at Holy Name University (HNU), please register in this site and join the discussion).

1. Registration of 3,000 pesos (good for 2 days inclusive of lunch but without lodging) is too expensive and it wasn't worth it. No usher. No guide. A total mess.
2. Participants were not treated well.
3. No assistance given for their accommodation. Some ended up sleeping in a boarding house.
4. They were served with disgusting food packed in a poor paper bag (can't afford to buy a paper plate?). The worst thing was that the juice was served through a water jug and it was not even a juice drink but a colored water disguised as fruit juice (?).
5. Many of the participants left Bohol on the first day of the conference. Disgusted.
6. Many of the participants did not receive a conference kit.
7. The venue was held in a small room at HNU. They expected it'd be held in a more convenient area (Bohol Tropics, perhaps).
8. History teachers, history instructors from various universities in the Philippines who were interviewed alleged that the conference was nothing but a money-making venture?

More than 97 percent of the participants had rated the conference as "very poor", as revealed in a feedback survey distributed to history teachers/professors after the conference.

HNU, NHI, and NCCA have a lot of explaining to do.

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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2009, 01:53:15 AM »
I had a copy of this thread printed out and gave it to an agency in the provincial gov't to have them look into it and to contact the institution and the organizers to find out what happened. The furor is "bad for business". The Boholanos have worked hard to earn a good name and this thing happens! This needs looking into and I will talk to some of our fellow media practitioners that they might also look into...    

Good thing to do, Bay. I was a participant in that seminar and I witnessed many participants returning their packed lunch angry and disgusted. Naulaw gyud kog maayo, being Bol-anon. Lunch last Friday (October 23, 2009): chopsuey nga five thin slices of sayote and one thin slice of carrot and one kutsarita of sabaw, no meat; three very very small chops of fried chicken, pwede kas-a ra ihungit; one side of a fried bangus' head, cut to the puuk kaayo, with only one kusnit left sa tangkugo nga bahin; and macaroni nga uga; tetrapack juice nga walay straw, ako pay nangita, ug way nakit-an so wala mainom. A teacher from Silliman blurted, "I don't give this kind of food to my househelp. Unsay pagtoo ninyo namo evacuees?" Terrible jud bitaw ang food. Kon paliton to elsewhere, tagP20 ra jud tingali to. Actual price was reportedly P140. Cramped pud ang room. Separate ang caterer sa lunch ug sa snacks. Just the same, poor quality gihapon ang snacks.   

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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2009, 01:59:27 AM »
Third day was spent for Lakbay Aral para sa mga interested lang. They charged an additional fee of P500 inclusive of transportation and food, probably sa Loboc River Cruise. Magbalik-balik pa gyud sa akong hunahuna ang the worst seminar food ever (i.e. lunch of Oct. 22 and 23).

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2009, 02:13:04 AM »
The kit:

Beautifully woven romblon bag (it could be worth P300)
One old issue of a history journal (compilation of early '90s research)
October 2009 issue of a newsletter of the Philippine Historical Society
CD of all the papers presented

OK man ang mga topics. For a non-historian/non-teacher like me, there were lots of "new' information. Venue and food lang gyud ang major minus points.


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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2009, 02:36:58 AM »
Di man tingali pod mga ugok tong nang-attend sa conference kay di sila maka-bantay nga di jud pod makiangayon ang ilang nadawat kung itandi sa ilang gibayad.

pagkaon gibutang lang og paper bag, ug juice nga dili tinood, grabe naman sad. sa pagkatinood, makapalit pa kag saging pinalutaw nga di moabot og 10 pesos. kabalo ko ana kay bag-o lang ko nauli sa ato ug banana-q akong sige og snaks sa ato.

bisan tingali og wala isuroy ning mga tawhana sa Bohol, dili ni sila mahisagmuyo kung hapsay ug makiangayon lang unta pod ang ilang nadawat.

ako lang pangutana, unsa man diay unod sa invitation letters nga gipadala sa mga gustong mutambong?

klaro kaayo nga adunay miscommunication tali sa mga organizers ug sa mga participants, ilabina sa pagpahiluna sa ilang accommodations. dako jud ning tamparos nato kay giila ra ba jud ta nga "hospitable" nga pagka-tawo.

ug kung naka-ako ang uban sa pagbiya sa unang adlaw pa lang sa seminar, nagpasabot nga ang kwarta dili maoy dakong isyu, kundi ang kuwang sa kahapsay ug ka-walay maayong kabobot-on niadtong nangimbitar. wala hunahuna sa mga organizers unsa kaimportante ang pagtambong ug kung kinsa man galing kadtong nanambong.  >:(



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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2009, 03:20:54 AM »
Salamat Koddi kay imo jud ning giklaro isip tua present didto. Sumaa sa imong giingon kauwawon jud diay ni kay di lang snacks ang issue kundi ang kinatibok ang pagkaon. Ug ingon ani na raman gani ang sagputan maayo pag wala nalang nila iapil ang kaon sa gibayran.Pero damage had been done.
Mao ni giingon ug gi underestimate sa organizer. Dako jud ning kauwawon dili lang natong bol-anon samot na ang organizer.Ug maohon man gani dapat iuli to nila ang kwarta oi.Kuhaan lang tong kwarta gitampo sa mga nadawat nilang learning tools ug uban pa pero iuli tong uban kay sumaa pa wa magkadimao ang kaon. Ug akoy organizer  iuli nako ang kwarta bahala ug akoy managot sa gasto adtong pagkaong tinihik.
Emailan kaha nako ang HNU magyawyaw ko didto?katilaw jud ni sila.Aw mangutana sa ko una kinsay organizer adto dayon ingnon nako iuli ang kwarta kay di ni maayo.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2009, 03:26:57 AM »
Salamat Koddi kay imo jud ning giklaro isip tua present didto. Sumaa sa imong giingon kauwawon jud diay ni kay di lang snacks ang issue kundi ang kinatibok ang pagkaon. Ug ingon ani na raman gani ang sagputan maayo pag wala nalang nila iapil ang kaon sa gibayran.Pero damage had been done.
Mao ni giingon ug gi underestimate sa organizer. Dako jud ning kauwawon dili lang natong bol-anon samot na ang organizer.Ug maohon man gani dapat iuli to nila ang kwarta oi.Kuhaan lang tong kwarta gitampo sa mga nadawat nilang learning tools ug uban pa pero iuli tong uban kay sumaa pa wa magkadimao ang kaon. Ug akoy organizer  iuli nako ang kwarta bahala ug akoy managot sa gasto adtong pagkaong tinihik.
Emailan kaha nako ang HNU magyawyaw ko didto?katilaw jud ni sila.Aw mangutana sa ko una kinsay organizer adto dayon ingnon nako iuli ang kwarta kay di ni maayo.

hala Raqs pag hurimintado dadto jahehe³ btw. HNU product pod ka?

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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2009, 04:24:06 AM »
Salamat Sir Koddi sa imong dugang nga information. Do you happen to know who organized the whole thing? Was HNU one of them o venue ra sila? Do they have good facilities? O basin classrooms ra poy ge offer...

As far as food is concerned, in fairness sige kog kaon sa Cogon (kilid-kilid) dili naman ka makapalit ug mosibo sa P20, kay usang pirasong paag manok (niwang pajod) already cost P20, wa pay labot utan ug sabaw nga imong iparis, usa ka tulingan, 'ja kan-on pajud ug soft drink. Balik na lang kos saging sa Holy Spirit kay nahan ko ato...

Somebody should look into this!

Ajo patong National Confab sa mga Public Librarians in 2007 ba to (according to Bohol Chronicle) kay Bohol Tropics gyod ang venue. Mga taga Catigbian man gani de Bohol Tropics mag meeting2x sa Tagbilaran ehehehe.

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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2009, 04:29:22 AM »
It is impossible to rectify the error but we learn from the error and try not to let it happen again.

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« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2009, 04:35:23 AM »
I have a question for everyone: why man Bohol ang maangin kung dunay seminar or gathering nga mapalpak just because that particular thing is being held in Bohol? For one, Bohol as a province is not responsible for the said fiasco. Second, I've been to national conferences even here in the U.S, and there were more than one ocassion that things did go as smoothly as expected... but I've never heard anyone says "mauwawan jud tang mga taga Michigan or New York ani" just because the organizers fell short of their job/reponsibility? So, nganong mauwawan man ta just because we are from Bohol? Just wondering what kind of line of thought is this? Must be cultural (one for all, all for one thingy)... The organizers - they should be the one who should be embarrased. Shame on them, not Bohol or mga Bol-anons! Do I make sense?

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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2009, 05:01:52 AM »
sakto pads, nganong iangin ang tanang taga bohol sa kauwawan nga gihimo sa organizers atong confab? tungod ba kay sa bohol gi held ang event? uroy di pud to taga bohol sila nya didto lang nila gi-held aron palahi pud kay humana na ang ubang cities?

paita bitaw pud tong pagkaona. based sa description ni sir koddi, lupig pay refugee atong mga participants. kana sigurong 3k nga seminar fee if para kaon lang ug seminar kit sakto na jud siguro na nga makakita sila ug maayong caterer oi.

ibutang ta lang nga 300 ang participants multiplied by 3k pesos, malabong 900k tanan ang kwarta. tiaw mo nang kantidara pwerte na jud na dakoa igasto sa usa ka 2-day seminar. bisan sa metro center pa i-held. ako pay na-organizer aning maong event, di jud magmahay ang mga participants.

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« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2009, 05:29:44 AM »
Padre, the fact is we Bol-anons are hospitable, and we treat our visitors with utmost care, sama ba sa fiesta mag paka na-a bisan pordoy na. Mao nga korat jamo kon adunay bisita nga wala ma-atiman pag-ayo. We personally identify ourself in this situation.

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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2009, 05:30:22 AM »
Bisan unsa pa ang palosot, guba na ang reputation as host.

ang makapiso or maka "awards" nija pa ani ,kadto ra mga organizers,ug tingale venue rapod ang HNU

kadto mga discontented attendees  hinaut dli e- generalized and stamped Bohol as an incompetent Host

kita ra ba Pinoy usahay, we tend to use ds "daspa style - thingy" -sowe po !

nganong e apil c Juan kong c Pilatu ra ang nanghunaw sa kamot?  ::)

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« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2009, 05:41:14 AM »
Padre, the fact is we Bol-anons are hospitable, and we treat our visitors with utmost care, sama ba sa fiesta mag paka na-a bisan pordoy na. Mao nga korat jamo kon adunay bisita nga wala ma-atiman pag-ayo. We personally identify ourself in this situation.

I understand. But, still, that doesn't answer my question. Di man lang Bol-anon ang hospitable (hospitality is not exclusive to Boholanos). Ang pangutana, kinsa ba jud ang ga host... kay mao toy angay managot! Dili kitang mga Bol-anon bwahehe. If I may say (ajaw laman ko ninjo tamparosa), nagpakauwaw sila sa ilang kaugalingon! Dili sa Bohol, even if you think otherwise.

Hofelina, mao siguro pod nang giingon ug "misery loves company!" Mao nang na miserable pod ta kay naangin sa buhat sa lain, hehehe.

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« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2009, 05:53:23 AM »
sakto pads, nganong iangin ang tanang taga bohol sa kauwawan nga gihimo sa organizers atong confab? tungod ba kay sa bohol gi held ang event? uroy di pud to taga bohol sila nya didto lang nila gi-held aron palahi pud kay humana na ang ubang cities?

paita bitaw pud tong pagkaona. based sa description ni sir koddi, lupig pay refugee atong mga participants. kana sigurong 3k nga seminar fee if para kaon lang ug seminar kit sakto na jud siguro na nga makakita sila ug maayong caterer oi.

ibutang ta lang nga 300 ang participants multiplied by 3k pesos, malabong 900k tanan ang kwarta. tiaw mo nang kantidara pwerte na jud na dakoa igasto sa usa ka 2-day seminar. bisan sa metro center pa i-held. ako pay na-organizer aning maong event, di jud magmahay ang mga participants.

Kinsa kaha poy ge cater nila... why so unprofessional? Ni cater gani ko sa Banana Drive out of Corella, P100 per head raman gani (not P140 like it was said at the confab) and their (Banana Drive) food is extremely good (dili gyod saging!!!  ;D), unya naa pay pataban nga servers, free drinks ug sila pay mag decorate sa lugar ug ila pajod kaugalingong lamesa, silya ug mga kitchen utensils ang gamiton.

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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2009, 05:55:27 AM »
I understand the concern of those contributing to this topic, and the people of Bohol must always strive for perfection if they wish to become known as a leading destination for meetings and conventions, however you should not  beat yourselves up because of a few disgruntled attendees.

As someone that has worked in the Convention  industry in Honolulu Hawaii for more that 25 years I have run across many many people that attend conferences because they see it has a paid vacation.  Often their meals and accommodations are paid for by their companies, or by the association with whom they are affiliated and if this were not the case they would not attend.  It has been my experience that these are the attendee's most likely to complain about their accommodations, the food etc etc. and I question why they bothered to attend, was it for the learning experience or the "menu".

In this instance it is said that many attendees left after the first day...  am I to believe that they were so "enlightened " and learned so much the first day that they did not need the second day?   Sorry to sound cynical, but I question their motivation in attending this conference.

I obviously don't know all the details and don't presume to have the answers, but I think Bohol can use this as an opportunity to learn and improve.

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« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2009, 06:02:15 AM »
Dear Sir,

Are you from Bohol? It seems you are not,  so it is difficult for you to understand.
You posting gives a clear view on how to see the whole situation but we mostly behave like a typical Bol-anon.

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« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2009, 06:02:39 AM »
I understand the concern of those contributing to this topic, and the people of Bohol must always strive for perfection if they wish to become known as a leading destination for meetings and conventions, however you should not  beat yourselves up because of a few disgruntled attendees.

As someone that has worked in the Convention  industry in Honolulu Hawaii for more that 25 years I have run across many many people that attend conferences because they see it has a paid vacation.  Often their meals and accommodations are paid for by their companies, or by the association with whom they are affiliated and if this were not the case they would not attend.  It has been my experience that these are the attendee's most likely to complain about their accommodations, the food etc etc. and I question why they bothered to attend, was it for the learning experience or the "menu".

In this instance it is said that many attendees left after the first day...  am I to believe that they were so "enlightened " and learned so much the first day that they did not need the second day?   Sorry to sound cynical, but I question their motivation in attending this conference.

I obviously don't know all the details and don't presume to have the answers, but I think Bohol can use this as an opportunity to learn and improve.

You hit it right on the nail!  ;)

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« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2009, 06:08:40 AM »
Dear Sir,

Are you from Bohol? It seems you are not,  so it is difficult for you to understand.
You posting gives a clear view on how to see the whole situation but we mostly behave like a typical Bol-anon.

truly yours,
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Of course Lavahnl is from Bohol or at least has an association with Bohol, otherwise, he would have been "slinging" his good shots sa Tubag Hawaii or Tubag Germany hehehe. He's got an insider's perspective to this thread, needless to say.

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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2009, 06:33:42 AM »
Please understand that my remarks were only my personal view, coming from someone that loves Bohol, has visited annually for the past 7 years, and hopes to relocate there in a few years.  I know my experience in Hawaii may not translate directly to the situation at hand, however my intent was to encourage those involved to learn and improve, and not give up due to negative feedback.

This is a relatively new field opening up for Bohol and Bohol should not be blamed for the attendee's dis-satisfaction, however  I encourage the organizers to listen to the comments and learn.

Ok I'm off my soap box, and with your permission will go back to lurking in this site

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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2009, 06:53:01 AM »
For me it is a case of being accountable of what they are organizing on behalf of Bohol being the venue. Should it not affect us being a community? I don't think so.  What if it turned out successful, would it not reflect a good image of Bohol, organizers aside? But since it went otherwise, would we just play safe and let them hunt the organizers' reputation?

it's all for one, one for all. it's making sense of a community for better or worse. this is the reason why it hurts our feelings when events of this nature end up this way. i could never recall any incident in Bohol, that's making headlines in our national papers or international, that didn't bring the entire Boholano sentiments to the fore, even though it took place in tagbilaran or one of the small towns of this province. the reference is always "sa Bohol" o "taga-Bohol".

this is what Bohol means to me. 

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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2009, 07:12:21 AM »
Na basta ngan lagi ug kaon manumbra man ug makulang naa jud mo complain. Yes mostly sa among reaction we acted like typical bol-anon kay unsaon nalang ang reputation .We are known jud nga kuyaw mopakaon ug mga bisita.Gani naa toy balita sa DYHP sa una nga pista sa Balilihan usa ka bisita gidunggab kay nainsulto wala mokaon sa pikas balay nga giagda ug kaon ingbalibad unya mao to na insulto ang tagbalay nadunggaban nuon.
Back to the topic in my opinion immature kaayo pud tong mga ing attend nga teacher nga gipang uli ang gi serve nga pagkaon ug gikaon nalang gud unta to ug wala na magsaba pa nga dili gani kato gipakaon sa ilang housemaid.Kung nagkulang man ang organizer utro pong immature ang nanguli ug na-guli sa pagkaon ,ug wa mabusog di mogawas sila ug mokaon ug mahalon nga restaurant. Kan a ang pahat usa complain.Mao ni kalainan sa mga westerner nga bisan pan-os pan-os ang pagkaon gi serve mokaon gyud kay lagi gi serve unya na complain inig human pero mostly natong pinoy serbihan ug pagkaon open kaayo ta moingon nga wa ta kagusto or ipakita gyud ang dakong insulto nga ipang uli.

Sakto  si Lavahnl this is an opportunity to learn and improve.

P.S  Father salamat sa video ing spark jud nuon ug samot akong attention nga imong balay nindot jud venue for E.B hahhah unya ang katong nag cater sa blessing atong i hire.Siguradong wa tay complain ani.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2009, 07:12:55 AM »
For me it is a case of being accountable of what they are organizing on behalf of Bohol being the venue. Should it not affect us being a community? I don't think so.  What if it turned out successful, would it not reflect a good image of Bohol, besides the organizers? But since it went otherwise, would we just play safe and let them hunt the organizers' reputation?

it's all for one, one for all. it's making sense of a community for better or worse. this is the reason why it hurts our feelings when events of this nature happen this way. i could never recall any incident in Bohol, that's making headlines in our national papers or international, that didn't bring the entire Boholano sentiments to the fore, even though it took place in tagbilaran or one of the small towns of this province. the reference is always "sa Bohol" o "taga-Bohol".

this is what Bohol means to me. 

That's the good nature in us (the best I've known, personally), in that we take pride of being Bol-anons and Bohol - good or bad - and that's one of our best trademarks. We are truly a unique lot contrary to some who think otherwise. That's what I love about Boholanos, this unique sense of pride and this "seemingly-invisible" unity (maski pa sigeg lalis, kapunay pod ra ba hehehe). But second-to-none in overall type of race: lumad Bol-anon!

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2009, 07:18:45 AM »
I have a question for everyone: why man Bohol ang maangin kung dunay seminar or gathering nga mapalpak just because that particular thing is being held in Bohol? For one, Bohol as a province is not responsible for the said fiasco. Second, I've been to national conferences even here in the U.S, and there were more than one ocassion that things did go as smoothly as expected... but I've never heard anyone says "mauwawan jud tang mga taga Michigan or New York ani" just because the organizers fell short of their job/reponsibility? So, nganong mauwawan man ta just because we are from Bohol? Just wondering what kind of line of thought is this? Must be cultural (one for all, all for one thingy)... The organizers - they should be the one who should be embarrased. Shame on them, not Bohol or mga Bol-anons! Do I make sense?


If it should make us feel better, we can think that the organizers are not really Boholanos (even if it was held in Bohol) because the convention did not go well (smile).



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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2009, 07:27:20 AM »
Na basta ngan lagi ug kaon manumbra man ug makulang naa jud mo complain. Yes mostly sa among reaction we acted like typical bol-anon kay unsaon nalang ang reputation .We are known jud nga kuyaw mopakaon ug mga bisita.Gani naa toy balita sa DYHP sa una nga pista sa Balilihan usa ka bisita gidunggab kay nainsulto wala mokaon sa pikas balay nga giagda ug kaon ingbalibad unya mao to na insulto ang tagbalay nadunggaban nuon.

Back to the topic in my opinion immature kaayo pud tong mga ing attend nga teacher nga gipang uli ang gi serve nga pagkaon ug gikaon nalang gud unta to ug wala na magsaba pa nga dili gani kato gipakaon sa ilang housemaid.Kung nagkulang man ang organizer utro pong immature ang nanguli ug na-guli sa pagkaon ,ug wa mabusog di mogawas sila ug mokaon ug mahalon nga restaurant. Kan a ang pahat usa complain.Mao ni kalainan sa mga westerner nga bisan pan-os pan-os ang pagkaon gi serve mokaon gyud kay lagi gi serve unya na complain inig human pero mostly natong pinoy serbihan ug pagkaon open kaayo ta moingon nga wa ta kagusto or ipakita gyud ang dakong insulto nga ipang uli.


Muangay sad ko aning imong observation day RAQ - there's a validity to it - pakitag hilas bah, aron ingnog kuyaw sila sa ilaha. But I hope we're wrong, but yes, there are those types I've encountered before. Many in fact! Unya mopadungog raba jud hinoon.

Naa pay laing meaning anang Westerners day RAQ: mga taga weste, as in West of Bohol like that lady from Silliman (both Negros ba, known for being you know what (sorry for stereotyping). But we all know it's a fact, too. Kasagarang Bol-anon kay hilom2x raman, unja ra complain inig uli sa bay. Mokaon na lag bahaw hehehe.

That happened to me too in the mid 80s, I solemnized the wedding of my oldest sister unja wa jud ko imbitaha kaon sa reception. Lajo raba kog giluparan, from Cabanatuan (where I was assigned), paid for my plane ticket (wa ulii), wa pajoy stipend unja didto na nuon kos pantalan nikaon with friends ug nakagasto pa hinoon samot. But nevertheless, ga Binol-anon, wa na lang motingog pero didto's MR ga sigeg bagotbot hahahaha. And after 25 years I'm beginning to understand: na nakabana diay'g tihik akong maguwang, and still, until now, I've never been invited sa ilang balay bisag kas-a. Can you believe that? Pero sa akong balay sa Cabawan, ambot ikapila na sila nako ma invite (willingly and lovingly) for pakals, since I moved there in 2006. Mao nay giingo'g C'est la vie (that's life). Life goes on... and make it happy and worthwhile!!!  ;D :) :) :) ;D

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2009, 07:32:29 AM »
however unpalatable the attendees' comments, i still commend their sense to express their disgust. to cover it up wouldn't help the organizer's amateur performance; it wouldn't stir any wave to the pride of Boholanos in Bohol and abroad. truth to tell, though, it may not have a magnitude of catastrophic proportion, but still i could feel its shockwave moving here...somewhere deep inside.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2009, 07:34:46 AM »

Natural reaction when something went wrong or unexpected:

1. Anger, Indignation
2. Blaming, finger-pointing
3. Rationalization
5. Learning and acceptance
6. Moving on

At what stage are we now?


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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2009, 07:37:14 AM »
Natural reaction when something went wrong or unexpected:

1. Anger, Indignation
2. Blaming, finger-pointing
3. Rationalization
5. Learning and acceptance
6. Moving on

At what stage are we now?


too early to tell...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2009, 07:40:54 AM »
however unpalatable the attendees' comments, i still commend their sense to express their disgust. to cover it up wouldn't help the organizer's amateur performance; it wouldn't stir any wave of pride among Boholanos in Bohol and abroad. truth to tell, though, it may not have a magnitude of catastrophic proportion, but still i could feel its shockwave moving here...somewhere deep inside.

Tinuod. Di jud kalikayan Glace. Because that's the type we are. In fact, the first thing I did was send the thread to my brother-in-law who teaches computer at HNU last night and asked kung tinuod ba ang pang hitabo. But no reply pa. Instead we got confirmation from Koddi (unsa ni Kods, from the word, Kodigo?  ;D Joke!). So nahitabo jud diay ni. But on the other hand, kanang tinuod jud, things like this does not affect me (personally), not because I care less, but because I truly believe no one can harm my self except myself or when when I allow others to (Stephen Covey), and I think for Bohol that way. Kadtong atong getugyanan nga moamping sa Bohol (politics and Church people), mao na silay akong gekahadlokan nga makahatag ug di maayong ngan sa atong pinanggang B... Give me a B!!!

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2009, 07:42:01 AM »
too early to tell...

Yes. Better to exhaust and maximize all stages. The more we let it out, the more we can take it in later.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2009, 07:45:32 AM »
Sabaan uroy ko ron salig kay day off - while half of the world were asleep or are just waking up or maybe about to rest their weary heads - I got all the time. But then again, morag lami pod eadto sa sinehan kay morag lami tan-awon ning "Law Abiding Citizen." Kung madayon, mohilom na jud ko. Mor pa.  ;D

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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2009, 07:48:18 AM »
Yes. Better to exhaust and maximize all stages. The more we let it out, the more we can take it in later.

agree, dot.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2009, 07:50:03 AM »
Sabaan uroy ko ron salig kay day off - while half of the world were asleep or are just waking up or maybe about to rest their weary heads - I got all the time. But then again, morag lami pod eadto sa sinehan kay morag lami tan-awon ning "Law Abiding Citizen." Kung madayon, mohilom na jud ko. Mor pa.  ;D

nindot na pads...mor pa. i saw it.  ;D

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2009, 07:51:30 AM »
agree, dot.

Thanks Glace! Dayon jud ning pormaha kung mao na hehehe!

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« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2009, 07:59:22 AM »
Thanks Glace! Dayon jud ning pormaha kung mao na hehehe!

para nako nalingaw ko. hehehe...akong mga katupad sa sinehan, mao niy ilang reaction..."owwww...waaaaah"

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2009, 08:01:29 AM »
para nako nalingaw ko. hehehe...akong mga katupad sa sinehan, mao niy ilang reaction..."owwww...waaaaah"

You mean nanghilak? Owwwa man kaha? Aw, di diay. Di man diay uha2x... Hehehe.  ;)

Bitaw, sibat nako karong taud2x kay 7:30PM ang next show. Thanks again!

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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2009, 08:07:40 AM »
You mean nanghilak? Owwwa man kaha? Aw, di diay. Di man diay uha2x... Hehehe.  ;)

Bitaw, sibat nako karong taud2x kay 7:30PM ang next show. Thanks again!

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ari sa ko diri, manghipos pa kog balita aning FIASCO...kung di ni sila manubag, dili jud maayo ang PIASKO aning mga organizers karong december.  ;D

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2009, 08:17:19 AM »
Based on Koddi's account, sakto tong akong giingon nga what the participants had told me were worse than what you read here.

We have to remember nga mga professionals ning mga participants. Mga lantip ug salabutan kay mga history teachers/professors/instructors. I think they deserve to be treated well.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2009, 10:26:29 AM »
Good day everyone!

the organizers of the confab is the Philippine National Historical Society and the invitation is posted here: http://pnhsi.tripod.com/id21.html ... accordingly, Mr. Marianito Luspo is the co-convener of the said confab and HNU's Lesage AV Hall was the venue... the skills laboratory located in the Freinademetz bldg which is more like of an ampitheatre was also reserved by the HNU Admin office should the need of it arise... but when it did, the organizers just opted to stay at the small Lesage AV Hall para di na daw mag transfer2x ug mga butang... HNU didnt charge daw for the venue but sad to say that HNU's participants were made to pay the registration fee at a discounted rate (50%)... gipabayad gyapon...

for the food... Mr. Luspo provided three quotations and the organizers chose the one with little or no meat (hehehe) and even specified that minantikaang saging ang i-snacks (i personally like minantikaang saging with ice-water)... these are the facts that i have gathered pa... more puhon...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2009, 10:55:14 AM »
It is indeed disheartening that what was meant to be an esoteric, lofty discussion of our collective heritage ends up with a fishmonger's squabble of what they and their maids have for lunch.

But let us not downplay this incident. More than anyone else in the academe, historians have been primed to expect much from this gathering, since Bohol is touted not only as a eco-cultural destination but also as a historical landmark.

We really missed this chance to play up this aspect of our island's heritage among people who would be most effective to convey their positive impressions of our island as a living museum to their students.

Imbis mag-istorya sila'g architecture sa Baclayon o Loboc, o ang pinakaunang diplomasya nga gihimo sa mga maabi-abihong tumindok nga Bol-anon sa mga gawasnon, magyawyaw na hinuon sila sa ilang gimeryenda nga ginanggang nga saging. Pastilan! Kinahanglan makiglambigit ang lokal nga DOT sa mga importanteng tigum-tigum sama niani aron dili ta mauwawan.

Having said this, we should move forward and make sure that the next confab will be a historical treat.



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« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2009, 11:07:01 AM »
Dear Dr. Harv (We don't know your gender, so we opted to be safe.):

Warm historical greetings!

I've read the aforesaid invitation which states, in part: "The objective of the conference is to look at the research and writing on the Visayas as well as other regions in the archipelago and to situate these studies in the context of national history."

On behalf of the budding local historians and language enthusiasts in TB, I say that it would be highly appreciated if you could provide us with at least the titles of the papers presented, with their corresponding authors. We will take it from there.

Best regards.

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« Reply #72 on: October 27, 2009, 11:17:34 AM »
Good day everyone!

the organizers of the confab is the Philippine National Historical Society and the invitation is posted here: http://pnhsi.tripod.com/id21.html ... accordingly, Mr. Marianito Luspo is the co-convener of the said confab and HNU's Lesage AV Hall was the venue... the skills laboratory located in the Freinademetz bldg which is more like of an ampitheatre was also reserved by the HNU Admin office should the need of it arise... but when it did, the organizers just opted to stay at the small Lesage AV Hall para di na daw mag transfer2x ug mga butang... HNU didnt charge daw for the venue but sad to say that HNU's participants were made to pay the registration fee at a discounted rate (50%)... gipabayad gyapon...

for the food... Mr. Luspo provided three quotations and the organizers chose the one with little or no meat (hehehe) and even specified that minantikaang saging ang i-snacks (i personally like minantikaang saging with ice-water)... these are the facts that i have gathered pa... more puhon...

Thanks Harvs. Got your YM message. Ako unta ibutang deri imong info nga na kolekta pero pag open nako naa naman diay ka. Thank you once again. Dear fellow TBs, meet my bro-in-law... the guy I mentioned earlier hehehe.

If I may add... additional info from Harvs:

"daghan na tang galagot... about the food, the "older folks" daw ang nagpili sa mga meals and snacks and they specified nga veggies daw..."


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« Reply #73 on: October 27, 2009, 11:22:05 AM »
enjoy, pads.

ari sa ko diri, manghipos pa kog balita aning FIASCO...kung di ni sila manubag, dili jud maayo ang PIASKO aning mga organizers karong december.  ;D

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #74 on: October 27, 2009, 11:49:03 AM »
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... now the smoke has started to clear. It's good that I've just kept observing the thread. I now have to make changes in the strategies in dealing with this "fiasco"...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #75 on: October 27, 2009, 11:51:55 AM »
I'd also like to have a copy of the topics discussed, (never mind the bag where these were placed in hehehehe...)

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« Reply #76 on: October 27, 2009, 12:15:22 PM »

for the food... Mr. Luspo provided three quotations and the organizers chose the one with little or no meat (hehehe) and even specified that minantikaang saging ang i-snacks (i personally like minantikaang saging with ice-water)... these are the facts that i have gathered pa... more puhon...

Gitagaan na lang unta'g mapilian ang participants kay dili man tanan vegetarian o semi-vegetarian. Kay kana sila bisag pakoonon nimo sa Bohol Bee Farm, naa gihapon kay madugog bagutbot nga gipakaon sila'g sagbot ug buwak.

Bitaw, ngano man napaingon sa sayote ug ginanggang ang hisgutan? The real meat of this confab is the historical discussion. It may have been false modesty for the delegates to opt for the spartan diet, when in fact they really expected a feast. Having perhaps heard of the fabled Boholano hospitality, whose dinner tables supposedly brim with food on special occasions like fiestas, they were simply let down by the sayote menu they surely have often from their backyard.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #77 on: October 27, 2009, 12:23:02 PM »
Ben, they had high expectations because they paid 3,000 pesos to the organizers. One fried banana costs 5 pesos only.

Kung free pa tong conference, I don't think mo-react sila kung unsa ang gibayang sa ila and how they were treated. Plus, the fact nga "gipasagdan" sila when they arrived in Tagbilaran.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #78 on: October 27, 2009, 12:31:14 PM »
I took the liberty of putting here the content of the invitation (link courtesy of Harv) coming from the PNHS (the organizer of said confab):

PHILIPPINE NATIONAL HISTORICAL SOCIETY, INC.

40 Matiwasay St., UP Village
Diliman, Quezon City, 1101
Philippines
Tel: 921-4575 •
Telefax: 926-1347 •
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30th NATIONAL CONFERENCE ON LOCAL AND NATIONAL HISTORY
NATIONAL COMMISSION FOR CULTURE AND ARTS
COMMITTEE ON HISTORICAL RESEARCH
HOLY NAME UNIVERSITY
TAGBILARAN CITY
October 22 - 24, 2009

DEAR PNHS MEMBERS, FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES, STUDENTS OF HISTORY:

I have the honor and pleasure to invite you to the 30th National Conference on Local and National History of the Philippine National Historical Society (PNHS) to be held on October 22 - 24, 2008 at the Main AV Hall, at Holy Name University, Tagbilaran City, Bohol. The conference is co-sponsored with the National Commission for Culture and the Arts - Committee on Historical Research, Holy Name University, and the Philippine Social Science Council. The Conference theme is Towards a National History: Local History in the context of National History which has all these years been the thrust of PNHS Conferences. The objective of the conference is to look at the research and writing on the Visayas as well as other regions in the archipelago and to situate these studies in the context of national history. The conference will also identify gaps that can be addressed by future or further research and encourage systematic studies on local and national history. Papers will also be presented in related social science disciplines and in the humanities.

The registration fee for the Conference is P3,000. Participants will receive a conference kit containing a CD of the conference papers, the book of abstracts with the program, complimentary PNHS publications, and snacks and lunches for the two days of the conference proper (October 22 - 23). Breakfasts and dinners, except for sponsored dinners, will be at the expense of the participants. The registration fee will be discounted to P2,700 for lifetime members and current annual members. Please bring your PNHS membership cards. On-site registration will also be discounted to P2,700 for those who would take up PNHS membership (P500-Annual;P1,500-Lifetime). The registration fee for undergraduate is P1,500.00.

Tagbilaran City can be reached by sea or air. For travelers from Luzon, there is a direct trip by Super Ferry or Sulpicio Lines from Manila. There are two flights daily from Manila to Tagbilaran either by PAL, Cebu Paciric, or Zest Air. From points in the Visayas, one has to go to Cebu City first, for fastcraft ferries of Supercat, Oceanjet, or Weesam lines. From Mindanao, Tagbilaran City may be reached by way of Cagayan de Oro City (Misamis Oriental) via Trans-Asian or from Plaridel (Misamis Occidental); also Negros Navigation from Ozamiz (Misamis Occidental) and fastcraft from Dapitan (Zamboanga del Norte). There are also ships from Nasipit in Butuan for the port of Jagna,some 63 km. from Tagbilaran City. Please contact airlines or shipping lines for details of schedules and charges. You may also e-mail the HNU Secretariat for travel advisory. Please use this letter of invitation for the purpose of obtaining official travel authority and funding from your school or agency to attend this conference. PNHS will request for the CHED and DEP-ED Memos to allow participants to attend the conference on official time and at official expense. Note that the conference proper will take place on October 22 and 23 from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. on both days. So you should plan to arrive in Tagbilaran on October 21. Pre-registration will be on October 21 between 4:00-6:00 p.m at the conference venue. On October 24 2009 (Saturday), there will be an Optional Lakbay-Aral of nearby cultural and historical sites in and around Tagbilaran City. There will be charges for transportation and meals.

For inquiries, please contact,
Bernardita R. Churchill, Ph.D.
President and National Convener
Philippine National Historical Society, Inc.
40 Matiwasay Street, UP Village
Diliman, Quezon City 1101
Tel: (02) 921-4575 Tel/Fax: (02) 926-1347
Mobile: 0918-444-4510
E-mail: [email protected]

For particulars on accommodations and other arrangements in Tagbilaran City, please contact the following co-conveners:

Marianito Jose Luspo, Ph.D. (Co-Convener)
Holy Name University
Gallares cor Lesage Streets
Tagbilaran City 6300
Tel: (038) 412-3764, loc. 134 or 412-3432; Home Tel: (038) 412-2728
Fax: 038) 412-3387 (Office)
Mobile: 0917 3044594
E-mail: [email protected]

Erlinda K. Alburo, Ph.D. (Co-Convener)
Cebuano Studies Center
University of San Carlos
P. del Rosario Street, Cebu City 6000
Tel: (032) 253-1000, loc. 183; Fax: (032)253-1000, loc. 183
Mobile: 0910 7272112
E-mail: [email protected]
We look forward to your participation.

Yours sincerely,

Bernardita R. Churchill, Ph.D.
President and National Convener



List of Hotels & Other Accommodations in Tagbilaran City
Per proximity to Holy Name University Main Blg.

1. St. Mary’s Hall ** Gallares St., Infront of HNU Main Tel (038)411-2966 Dormitory type accommodation P300/per person per in a group; Air-con but communal bathroom

2. Chriscent Ville** Pension House 6 Gallares Street , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-4029 All rooms have 2 beds: Cheapest – P 850.00 P 950.00 Executive – P 1,150.00 Suite Room – P 1,350.00

3. Charisma Lodge * 2/F E. Butalid Bldg., CPG Avenue Tel. (038) 411-3094 Single – P 300.00 Double – P 550.00
4. Nisa Traveller’s Inn * CPG Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3731 Ordinary Single – P 300.00 Ordinary Double – P 400.00 Standard Double – P 800.00

5. Darunday Manor **** J.A Clarin St. , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-2512 Queen Bed – P 1,300.00 good for 2 Twin Bed – P 1,200.00 good for 2

6. Slim Pension House ** #35 F.R. Ignles St. , Tagbilaran City (038) 411-4858 Single – P 650.00 Single – P 850.00 Good for 2 Deluxe Single – P 750 Deluxe Double – P 950

7. East Coast Inn ** Miguel Parras St. , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 501-5598 Single Standard – P 600.00 Single Deluxe – P 750.00 Double Deluxe – P 1,200.00

8. The Meridian Hotel * 4 S. Matig-a St., Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 412-3060 Standard – P 750.00 good for 2 Superior – P 850.00 Deluxe – P 1,050.00

9. Gie Gardens Hotel * CPG Avenue cor. M.H. del Pilar Tel. (038) 411-3182 Single – P 550 Double – P 750,BR>
10. Metro Centre Hotel ***** CPG North Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-2599 Standard – P 1,400.00 Superior A – P 1,890.00 Deluxe room – P 2,250.00 Presidential Suites – P 7,950.00

11. Casa Juana * Jjs Dimsum Restaurant Bldg. CPG Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3331 Old Building : Twin Bed – P 550.00 Double Bed – P 525.00 Single Bed – P 450.00 Family Room – P 700.00 good for 4 New Building: Good for 2 – P 800.00 Family Room – P 1,200.00 good for 4

12. Buen Bella Pension House ** Miguel Parras St. , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 235-6466 Single – P 800.00 Twin – P 950.00 Double Deluxe – P 1.100.00 Executive – P 1,300.00 Extra person – P 800.00

13. W Regent Plaza Hotel **** CPG North Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3144 Standard single – P 1,000.00 Standard Double – P 1,200.00 Deluxe single – P 1,300.00 Deluxe Double – P 1,500.00 Suites – P 1,800.00 Executive – P 2,000.00 Superior – P 2,500.00

14. Soledad Suites ***** J.C. Borja St. , Tagbilaran City cor. M. Parras Tel. (038) 411-3074 Business Room – P 2,000.00 Superior – P 2,200.00 Deluxe – P 2,600.00 Premiere – P 3,200.00

15. Taver’s Pension House ** Remolador St. , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-4896 Standard single – P 630.00 Standard Double – P 780.00 Deluxe single – P 830.00 Deluxe Double – P 1,000.00 Extra Person is P 130.00

16. Via Bohol *** Graham Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 501-8363 Single – P 900.00 / night Double – P 1,000.00/night

17. Bohol Tropics Resort Club ***** Graham Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3510 Standard – P 2,150.00 Terrace Room – P 2,350.00 Ambassador Garden Suite – P 2,750.00 Superior Bay View – P 2,850.00 Deluxe – P 3,150.00 18. Sun Avenue Pensionne **** Gallares St. , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 412-5601 Single – P 795.00 Double – P 1,150.00 Twin – P 1,150.00 Family – P 1,500.00 good for 3

19. Casa Rey Francis * Inting Avenue ( formerly Burgos Street ) Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3808/ 501-0578 Standard double – P 700.00 Standard Twin – P 850.00 Family Standard – P 1,200.00 Extra person w/ mattress – P 150.00

20. Bohol La Roca Hotel * Graham Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3798 Single – P 785.00 Double – P 885 Twin Room - 950

21. Coralandia * 45 Graham Avenue , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3426 Single – P 500 - P 650.00 - P 800.00 - P 1,000.00 Double – P 1,100.00 good for 4 Family – P 1,200.00 good for 4

22. El Portal Inn ** Belderol Street , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-2124 Standard Single – P 750.00 Standard Double – P 900.00 Deluxe – P 950.00 Family – P 1,250.00

23. Le Pensione de San Jose ** Piano Bar and Restaurant San Jose Street , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-2572 Deluxe single – P 700.0 Standard – P 1,000.00 good for 2 Twin Deluxe – P 1,200.00 Suite Room – P 1,500.00 good for 4

24. Vest Pension House *** Tamblot St. , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 235-6246 Deluxe – P 1,000.00 Good for 2 Twin – P 1,200.00 Family – P 2,000.00 good for 4 Executive – P 2,400.00 Suite – P 1,600.00

25. Villa Alzhun Tourist *** and Restaurant 162 V.P. Inting St. , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-3893 Single – P 1,100.00 Double – P 1,550.00

< 26. Dao Diamond Bed and Breakfast Dao District, Tagbilaran City **** Tel. (038) 411-5568 Standard – P 975.00 Deluxe – P 1,350.00 Dormitory Type – P 275 Family Room – P 2,500.00 good for 6

27.. Mellow Apartelle and Tourist Inn * Dampas-Binayran Road , Tagbilaran City Tel. (038) 411-2211 Single – P 500.00 Double – P 700.00 Good for 4 persons – P 1,200.00,BR>

N.B. The asterisk represents degree of endorsement. One asterisk for least recommended , two for recommended, etc.
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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #79 on: October 27, 2009, 01:03:10 PM »
Dear Dr. Harv (We don't know your gender, so we opted to be safe.):

Warm historical greetings!

I've read the aforesaid invitation which states, in part: "The objective of the conference is to look at the research and writing on the Visayas as well as other regions in the archipelago and to situate these studies in the context of national history."

On behalf of the budding local historians and language enthusiasts in TB, I say that it would be highly appreciated if you could provide us with at least the titles of the papers presented, with their corresponding authors. We will take it from there.

Best regards.

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P.S. Welcome to TB, Doc.

thanks for the warm welcome... cge cge i will post the topics discussed as soon as i get my hands on those papers... aron naa sad ta ma "discuss" hehehe... im a he so harv would be nice :)

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« Reply #80 on: October 27, 2009, 01:11:32 PM »
thanks for the warm welcome... cge cge i will post the topics discussed as soon as i get my hands on those papers... aron naa sad ta ma "discuss" hehehe... im a he so harv would be nice :)

OK, Harv, will wait for the topics. Warning lang gamay, Harv. Daghan ang serious diri, pero mas daghan (or mas kugihan mo-post) and mga jaga-jagaon. Ajaw lamang kahimangod. Aho bitaw, cool ra unta ko sauna, pero medjo natakdan na sa mga bulujagon. ;D

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« Reply #81 on: October 27, 2009, 01:36:41 PM »
OK, Harv, will wait for the topics. Warning lang gamay, Harv. Daghan ang serious diri, pero mas daghan (or mas kugihan mo-post) and mga jaga-jagaon. Ajaw lamang kahimangod. Aho bitaw, cool ra unta ko sauna, pero medjo natakdan na sa mga bulujagon. ;D

Di ba ikaw ma'y nanakod, Bay HB?

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« Reply #82 on: October 27, 2009, 01:47:11 PM »
Di ba ikaw ma'y nanakod, Bay HB?

Way bistohay, Bay Ben, para malingaw diri si Bay Harv.

Bitaw, mutualism man tingali ang dominant interactive principle diri.

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« Reply #83 on: October 27, 2009, 02:15:38 PM »
Naa gani magbagotbot maski EB ra, di pajod ila gasto hehehe. Unsa na kaha kung mobayad ug P3K maski ge sponsoran pa sa ilang school or department? It's hard to please jud everyone. I'm wondering - just wondering - diha ba kaha poy wa mag bagotbot, kadtong nakaingon ug "Ok lang at least nakakita kog Bohol ug naka break from my day job..." or kadtong "humble enough" to "not forget" where they came from, panahon sa kawad-on sa mga estudyante pa sila? Just a thought that inspired me from another thread ("Student Prosti-Tuition")  ;D Buluyagon jud bay HB no?

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« Reply #84 on: October 27, 2009, 03:10:29 PM »
Way bistohay, Bay Ben, para malingaw diri si Bay Harv.

Bitaw, mutualism man tingali ang dominant interactive principle diri.

Mutualism and reciprocity--and there's no worthier poster boy for this in TB than you, Bay Hubs. Murag interesting bitaw ang topics sa conference, nahawongan lang sa problema sa logistics. Kinahanglan lang pud pasidaan ni Sir Harv nga whatever topic you post here, at some point in time mosimang gyud ang kukabildo into the common basic interests of green (as in sex) and yummy (as in food)... But they're what keep us glued to the topic.

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« Reply #85 on: October 27, 2009, 03:29:37 PM »
To paraphrase Terence, "I'm a monster, and everything monstrous is of interest to me." Bitaw, maybe while we're feeding our morbid curiousities on the fiasco aspect of this confab, we might at the same time also check what it was all about. I'm sure it's neither irrelevant nor too academic for our purposes. After all, we're part of the subject matter, and as far as I can see we are all enrolled in the School of Hard Knocks, with some of us pursuing postgraduate studies. ;D

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« Reply #86 on: October 27, 2009, 06:15:28 PM »
I can see we are all enrolled in the School of Hard Knocks

This is true, this has made us all good survivors and well-mold.

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« Reply #87 on: October 27, 2009, 06:59:11 PM »
The Conference theme is Towards a National History: Local History in the context of National History which has all these years been the thrust of PNHS Conferences. The objective of the conference is to look at the research and writing on the Visayas as well as other regions in the archipelago and to situate these studies in the context of national history.

An important lesson of hindsight is that what may seem trivial, random or local in the present may in fact be a critical turning point in our bigger history.

Who would ever think that the seemingly casual warming up of Bool's Datu Sikatuna and Loboc's Datu Sigala to Legazpi's quavery overtures would subsequently lead to Spain's subjugation of the entire archipelago?

In the same way, this sputtering outburst of our disgruntled guests may teach Bohol an important lesson in our quest to be a world-class tourist destination and convention venue.

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« Reply #88 on: October 27, 2009, 10:33:33 PM »
Glace... makalingaw diay gyod pag-ayo. I liked the movie a lot.

i'm glad you enjoyed it, pads, ug wa mahimong fiasco ang imong pagtan-aw sa sine.  ;D

Like you said, pads, where are those other participants who found the conference worthwhile, despite the unsavory diet, as reported? it is worth listening their side of the story, i believe.


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« Reply #89 on: October 27, 2009, 11:34:05 PM »
Na basta ngan lagi ug kaon manumbra man ug makulang naa jud mo complain. Yes mostly sa among reaction we acted like typical bol-anon kay unsaon nalang ang reputation .We are known jud nga kuyaw mopakaon ug mga bisita.Gani naa toy balita sa DYHP sa una nga pista sa Balilihan usa ka bisita gidunggab kay nainsulto wala mokaon sa pikas balay nga giagda ug kaon ingbalibad unya mao to na insulto ang tagbalay nadunggaban nuon.

hahaha, kadungog diay ka ani raqs? unsaon man hubog naman gud ang nangagda maong nainsulto nga wala tagda.

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« Reply #90 on: October 28, 2009, 12:50:31 AM »
Some of the topics that I can remember (titles are not in toto):

1.  Gaam, the last king of Agbonan (now San Isidro, Bohol)
2.  Pres. Sergio Osmeña in Leyte
3.  The civilians of Leyte during the Japanese Occupation (Trivia: the official Leyte Landing photo was reportedly a retake kay nabasa man kuno si Douglas sa unang pagnaog kay na miscalculate sa officer who had charge of ensuring the water level was ok.)
4.  Writing history using photographs as clues
5.  Layouting a hills station: the case of Baguio 
6.  Peopling of the Danajon Double Barrier Reef (Bohol)
7.  The Mindanao I Never Saw (research on Mindanao as reported by Cebu-based newspapers)
8.  One report from a Muslim historian

There were at least three papers read before and after every snacktime. This means at least 12 papers were read in a day.

True, duha ka maruyang saging gisulod sa paper bulsita. Nagmantika jud kay absorbent man ang papel. Diha poy usa ka snackan nga bingka ug tulo ka baked polvoron, morag holen. Ad libitum hinoon ang kape.






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« Reply #91 on: October 28, 2009, 05:22:33 AM »
Some of the topics that I can remember (titles are not in toto):

1.  Gaam, the last king of Agbonan (now San Isidro, Bohol)
2.  Pres. Sergio Osmeña in Leyte
3.  The civilians of Leyte during the Japanese Occupation (Trivia: the official Leyte Landing photo was reportedly a retake kay nabasa man kuno si Douglas sa unang pagnaog kay na miscalculate sa officer who had charge of ensuring the water level was ok.)
4.  Writing history using photographs as clues
5.  Layouting a hills station: the case of Baguio 
6.  Peopling of the Danajon Double Barrier Reef (Bohol)
7.  The Mindanao I Never Saw (research on Mindanao as reported by Cebu-based newspapers)
8.  One report from a Muslim historian

There were at least three papers read before and after every snacktime. This means at least 12 papers were read in a day.

True, duha ka maruyang saging gisulod sa paper bulsita. Nagmantika jud kay absorbent man ang papel. Diha poy usa ka snackan nga bingka ug tulo ka baked polvoron, morag holen. Ad libitum hinoon ang kape.






He he, nangutana ko kon unsa ang topics, Bay Koddi, hoping the naay kabahin sa indigenous diet! ;D

Bitaw, wala diay topic nga naghisgot sa karaang mga pinulongan, or something.

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #92 on: October 28, 2009, 06:12:14 AM »
1.  Gaam, the last king of Agbonan (now San Isidro, Bohol)

medyo interesanti ning topika da. sounds like the movie: the Last King of Scotland.  ;D

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #93 on: October 28, 2009, 06:27:27 AM »
1.  Gaam, the last king of Agbonan (now San Isidro, Bohol)

medyo interesanti ning topika da. sounds like the movie: the Last King of Scotland.  ;D

Secundum-motion. I hope na typo sila ani pagsuwat kay morag mas lami ang title nga: AMAG (the white man), the last king of AMBONGAN!!! Mga ambungan jud tingale ning mga taga San Isidro...

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #94 on: October 28, 2009, 10:08:10 AM »
Kung kinsay nag-contact ug nagdawat sa mga confirmation sa attendance sa mga participants mao nay among the organizers.so nganong dugay man ta masayod sa identity sa mga organizers.hinganli dayon.sigeg blind item.kung kinsa poy gi-mention sa news nga maoy organizers mao na na.then patubagon.


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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #95 on: October 28, 2009, 10:14:57 AM »
kay gitawag man og 30th National Conference on Local and National History of the Philippine National Historical Society (PNHS), dinagko na kud na.


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« Reply #96 on: October 28, 2009, 10:15:52 AM »
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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #97 on: October 28, 2009, 10:42:28 AM »
Kung kinsay nag-contact ug nagdawat sa mga confirmation sa attendance sa mga participants mao nay among the organizers.so nganong dugay man ta masayod sa identity sa mga organizers.hinganli dayon.sigeg blind item.kung kinsa poy gi-mention sa news nga maoy organizers mao na na.then patubagon.



hello insiktisayd:

please read chicogon's post, page 12 of this thread. ty

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Re: History Confab A Historical Fiasco
« Reply #98 on: October 28, 2009, 11:07:47 AM »
Kung kinsay nag-contact ug nagdawat sa mga confirmation sa attendance sa mga participants mao nay among the organizers.so nganong dugay man ta masayod sa identity sa mga organizers.hinganli dayon.sigeg blind item.kung kinsa poy gi-mention sa news nga maoy organizers mao na na.then patubagon.


If there's anyone here who knows the answer, nobody would have asked the question or questions. Or presented the issue here. As it is,this is a discussion group made up of people from all over the world who happen to be interested on a particular subject matter. Partly engaging discussions, partly exercising the brain, or, beat homesickness and what-have-you. Hehehe

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« Reply #99 on: October 28, 2009, 11:23:20 AM »
Lunch last Friday (October 23, 2009): chopsuey nga five thin slices of sayote and one thin slice of carrot and one kutsarita of sabaw, no meat; three very very small chops of fried chicken, pwede kas-a ra ihungit; one side of a fried bangus' head, cut to the puuk kaayo, with only one kusnit left sa tangkugo nga bahin; and macaroni nga uga; tetrapack juice nga walay straw, ako pay nangita, ug way nakit-an so wala mainom.

Well, however the confab will be remembered, only time will tell. If history is written by the victors, I hope in this case they will have Bay Koddi's power of description, as exemplified by the excerpt quoted above.

Consider this morsel of elegant prose: "one side of a fried bangus' head, cut to the puuk kaayo, with only one kusnit left sa tangkugo nga bahin."  What an eye for details! Ka-imagine ko sa one kusnit nga unod!

(Bay Koddi, tinuod jud diay nga hunger is a good source of inspiration, bwahaha.)

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