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« Reply #80 on: January 16, 2009, 04:48:01 AM »
History does indicate that there was indeed some long-lasting peace.

One classical example is Pax Romana "Roman Peace" during the age of Augustus. Peace through political control, cultural importation and absence of wars. It was the longest and the only peaceful epoch Rome experienced in its entire history.

Can peace be possible in Mindanao? I acquiesce to the fact that I don't know. I don't want to sound pessimistic on the situation but history has provided us with historical evidence to support the opposition. 400 years of Spanish control, 50 years of American control, 4 years of Japanese occupation and some 60 years of Philippine control, and still there is no realization of such peace as seen in the likes of Pax Romana.

But I like to think that there is a possibility.
I give into my own humanistic traits of 'hoping' and having 'faith' in such a realization.

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« Reply #81 on: January 16, 2009, 04:50:47 AM »
peace ra jud ang ahong nasabtan, basin pwede na ka hinoong ambassador of peace didto sa israel ug palestino kay mga gahig 0 ang maga tawo didto
hmmmmm


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« Reply #82 on: January 16, 2009, 04:51:24 AM »
kamong duha

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« Reply #83 on: January 16, 2009, 05:12:53 AM »
The root cause of social conflict in Mindanao is not only the current social system and structure but historical in nature.  When the Spaniards conquered the Philippines centuries back, they claimed de juri  (legal) government in the entire of the Philippines including Mindanao where they were unsuccessful in their military and political campaign because of the resilience of the Muslims and the Lumads. 

Their de facto ( factual) government was only true in Luzon , Visayas and Northern Mindanao.  Evidence of this are the churches build by the friars.

I have taught in Ateneo de Davao University in Mindanao for two years, and I had very diverse students coming from different tribes in Davao, Chinese Filipinos and of course Muslims.  It was even peculiar to see a Muslim student wearing a catholic uniforn while wearing a headscarf. 

My students had harmonious relationship with each other.  Religion was never an issue and religious tolerance and respect was prevalent.  The school is a microcosm of the society where we live in, they say.  If this was achieved in the university, there is a good possibility that this can be realized in the outside society.

The problem in Mindanao, is not only separatism but social injustice.  Land grabbing is pervasive in several places.  Even the Manobo in Bukidnon were at danger to be displaced from their ancestral domain because of land grabbing.

The situation is complex.  There are no concrete measures as to resolve the worsening conflict there.  More so, that politics came in.

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« Reply #84 on: January 16, 2009, 05:16:43 AM »
linaw ang mindanaw sa israel ug palestino maoy tabangan ninyo kay persang gubota gubot pa sa lukot


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« Reply #85 on: January 16, 2009, 05:18:35 AM »
pasidaan lang daan dili pwede ininglis didto

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« Reply #86 on: January 16, 2009, 05:20:27 AM »
hahahaha..
magbinisaya dapat.. mangubkob ko sa akong kaban sa kong binisaya diri.

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« Reply #87 on: January 16, 2009, 05:21:57 AM »
hahahhahahhahaha


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« Reply #88 on: January 16, 2009, 05:21:59 AM »
A strong and peaceful society may not be founded by religious  beliefs.  A strong and peaceful society is built by people who knows how to respect other religion and its beliefs.[/i]

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« Reply #89 on: January 16, 2009, 05:24:17 AM »
nag hisgot man lang mo og religion kanang euthanesia sala ba na o dili

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« Reply #90 on: January 16, 2009, 05:24:23 AM »
So you taught in Mindanao for two years? Its interesting to read about such experiences and hear the cultural amalgamation--the illustration you provided with the Muslim'a wearing a catholic uniform and a headscarf per se.

Yes, its always interesting to hear positive stories in the collegiate level.

I also taught as a Teacher's Assistant in Allegheny College, and was thrilled in seeing the cultural voices in campus ranging from African-American Cultural Month in February, to Asian-Pacific Culture Awareness Month in March, LGBT Awareness, Latino Awareness, Inter-Faith Programs. Seeing issues such as racism, prejudice and sexism being handled and addressed in campus so effectively--that one is left optimistic to see such changes implemented in the larger society.

I will always remember the Colonial Mexico course that I taught with my professor. The course was a Freshman introductory course; facilitating students to write in the collegiate level, as well as tapping on their presentation skills. I had a student who was an exchange student from Iran, and 2 students who were Jewish. In that 5 months they took my course, their friendship bloomed. If and only such reality can be achieved in the world.

Thank you for sharing your personal experience regarding the topic. I found it very enlightening.


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« Reply #91 on: January 16, 2009, 05:25:20 AM »
dapat gyud ipakuyanap ang atong kinaadman, atong yutan-ong dila...


unsa man ni, dila nga daghang yuta? hehehe


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« Reply #92 on: January 16, 2009, 05:32:04 AM »
 

Thanks Ayessa! You deserve my credit! Yes, it's true that here in the Philippines religion is the dominant authority in desiminating morality among the Filipinos. They are also the agents of education, customs, traditions, practices and beliefs based on dogmatic idealism. However, the carrier of religious beliefs are even unable to coincide two parallel lines between beliefs and practices. That's why people who look at them as supposedly the exemplars of morality are now more confused as to whom they would like to pattern their individual trait and character. In this kind of a scenario, 'folk religion' comes into the scene where parents take the responsibility of shaping the moral character of their children based on folk beliefs, a traditional one.

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« Reply #93 on: January 16, 2009, 05:33:22 AM »
Lorenzo, my thesis in College was entitled "Gender Practices and Perceptions of the Marano Muslim Communities in Lanao del Norte".  It investigated the cultural life of muslim women and men, and how do they view gender. This has exposed me to different Muslim communities there, although my focus was only the Maranao muslims.  This connection had inspired me to work in Mindanao, and yes it was challenging.  It was during that time in 2003 where the peace and order situation in Mindanao particularly Davao was so unstable.  The Sasa wharf and the Davao City airport were bombed, and one of the victims was a student of mine.

A tragedy which has been caused by human fanaticism and resulted to unnecessary lost of lives.

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« Reply #94 on: January 16, 2009, 05:45:14 AM »
mingaw na wa nay bombing


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« Reply #95 on: January 16, 2009, 05:46:52 AM »
basig naa kay gi andam nga bomba e-detonate

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« Reply #96 on: January 16, 2009, 05:49:37 AM »
ayaw intawn sa maribojoc

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« Reply #97 on: January 16, 2009, 08:58:21 AM »

True. Ang "ilaga" bitaw ingnun man nila nga "ilongo land grabbers assoc"
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« Reply #98 on: January 17, 2009, 03:35:21 AM »

Roy,

What a peculiar thesis topic, one in which, I admit, I have little understanding on. Perhaps you can enlighten me and others more on your research findings.

My collegiate thesis for my History major was based on the Evolution of Philippine Nationalistic Perception in regards to Pax Hispanica and some of the primary sources that I utilized were Spanish letters, journals, and Imperial Documents. One historical anecdote provided by Rodriguez, a late 19th century Spanish-written Almanac regarded some practices of the Moro as being identical to the Moors of Spain. I just thought it quite interesting and fascinating how fast the assimilatory process of Luzon and the Visayas took as compared to Muslim Mindanao. Which bears in similarity in the Reconquista Epoch of Spain in the 15th to 16th centuries; namely southern Spain holding some semblance to their Moorish/Islamic past.

When I wrote my paper, I admit that I would have wanted to learn and know more about the muslim communities in Mindanao in a personal aspect--more so their cultural practices and linguistics and less so on Imperial Administration's perceptions. Though never had the resources to acquire more information.

Pray, I ask, enlighten me on the subject.

If you don't mind, that is.


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« Reply #99 on: January 17, 2009, 03:50:31 AM »

The Philippines is, in a way, a special case considering that the society, in general, is Roman Catholic. Roman Catholic in the sense of Spanish implantation--where the general population has adopted the Hispanic trait of devotion to religious customs and applied that to the different agencies of society. Where a politician is deemed 'pious' and 'acceptable' based on his visitiation to church, attending a vigil to varying patron saints, the virgin, the shrine to the Blessed Sto. Nino etc. Though I am not saying that the Filipino religiousity is completly Hispanic, but for the most part is a copy of the Spaniard's strict devotion, albiet an inclusion of indigenous superstition and flair. The special case in the Philippines is that religion does play a significant role in education, as well as politics. In regards to the educational aspect--just referencing the amount of catholic schools, or christian private schools, christian universities etc. And that in itself does play a role in the molding of one's identity and attitude in society in general.

One can see such religious devotion and see religion's influence in other sectors of society (politics, education) in Latin American countries--for example EUM (Los Estados Unidos de Mexico) where most of the population hold devotion or adoration for the Blessed Lady of Guadalupe (which holds semblance culturally and religiously to the Filipino's devotion to the Sto. Nino--and its role in the conversion of the population).

The Philippines, as well as other Latin American countries are rather similar to Spain in that regard. Where the concept of 'Separation of Church and State' is vied for, yet at the same time the reality speaks differently. Its when one has a proper understanding of the historical process and the role of religion in that particular society--sheds light to the situation.

And that being the Office of the Imperial Audencia was closely associated with  Imperial Spain's Catholic Ecclesiastic Order. Politics, Economics (trade, business), Military, and Religion were all intertwined. And 2 centuries after their independence from Spain, Latin American states still retain that particular aspect. A century for the Philippines--and still--visible.



Just a thought.



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