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RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« on: February 08, 2011, 12:49:02 PM »
Ikaw, ujon ba ka ani or dili? Last January naapprobahan ang usa ka version sa RH Bill nga ihearing na sa Congress. Pagkahuman ana nagtawag ang tibuok Simbahan nga iakip sa misa ang pag-ampo para dili mapasa ang maong balaud.

Para naho, sa side sa abortifacient, idefine unta kung kanus-a gajud ang CONCEPTION. Daghan man gud nag ingon nga ang CONCEPTION nagsugod sa FERTLIZATION pero naa puy uban nga nag ingon nagsugod daw na sa IMPLANTATION. Sa RH Bill man gud way klaro kung unsa ang stand sa balaud sa pagsugod sa Conception.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2011, 12:52:06 PM »
The approved RH Bill is a consolidation of six bills namely: (1) House Minority Leader Edcel Lagman of Albay, HB 96; (2) Iloilo Rep. Janet Garin, HB 101, (3) Akbayan Representatives Kaka Bag-ao & Warren Bello; HB 513, (4) Muntinlupa Representative Rodolfo Biazon, HB 1160, (5) Iloilo Representative Augusto Syjuco, HB 1520, (6) Gabriela Rep. Luzviminda Ilagan HB 3387.

The title of the bill is “An act providing for a comprehensive policy on responsible parenthood, reproductive health and population development and for other purposes”. This was approved on the committee level last January 31, 2011.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 12:41:15 PM »
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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 04:54:31 PM »
Init gajud ning issue sa RH Bill. Here's one of the updates:

Palace: Aquino never pushed for RH bill

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/212572/palace-aquino-never-pushed-for-rh-bill

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2011, 10:32:35 PM »
Init gajud ning issue sa RH Bill.

Morag mas init ron ang plunder sa AFP...

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 09:53:13 AM »
Morag mas init ron ang plunder sa AFP...

Kay tungod ni Angelo Reyes? Nainit ning RH kay napasa na sa Committee Level. Pero napawong ang kajo sa kainit kay gitangtang naman sa priority bills ni PNoy. ;D

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 12:50:12 PM »
Forces against, for RH Bill both troubled
Saturday, February 12, 2011

CEBU CITY -- About 5,000 people joined the Catholic church-initiated rally against the Reproductive Health (RH) Bill at the Fuente Osmeña circle Friday afternoon.

They endured the heat and dust in the area as they chanted "We are, we are for life" and waved placards with messages along these lines: "RH bill source of corruption," "I choose life!" and "Katoliko ako! Supak ako sa RH bill."

But supporters of the bill in Cebu also expressed disappointment that it was not included among the priority measures of President Benigno Aquino III.

Judy Aguilar, coordinator of the Reproductive Rights Resource Group, said Aquino's "change of heart" may become a setback in the country's goal of reducing maternal deaths and child mortality by 2015.

Participants of the Fuente rally included students of Catholic schools, church organizations like the Knights of Columbus and Catholic Women's League and trans-parochial organizations from Cebu City to as far as Daanbantayan town, in northern Cebu province.

The rally, dubbed as "Cebuanos! Unite for Life!" was also attended by Representative Rachel del Mar (Cebu City, north) and her father former congressman Raul del Mar, Representative Pablo Garcia (Cebu Province, second district), Cebu Auxiliary Bishop Emilio Bataclan and Episcopal Vicar Msgr. Esteban Binghay, among others.

One of the invited speakers was Msgr. Juanito Figura, Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) secretary general, who said the Catholic Church does not have funds or a strategy to mount an anti-RH bill campaign.

"What we have are prayers, Gospel values, sincerity and commitment to human life, which are enough because this means we have God on our side," he said.

He asked why some legislators who are practicing Catholics promote the RH bill, "which is against the aspirations of the Filipino people."

"Every law of the society must be for the protection of human life," he added.

The CBCP issued a pastoral letter against the bill last January 31, where they stated that they are against the non-consideration of moral principles; anti-life, anti-natal and contraceptive mentality reflected in media and some proposed legislation; efforts to railroad the RH bill; the trajectory of the bill toward population control; and the use of public funds for contraceptives, sterilization and compulsory sex education.

Cebu Archbishop Palma, in a message delivered by Fr. Euselito Tulipas, said, "We come to manifest our faith in Jesus and our resolve not to allow ourselves to be persuaded by anyone whose principles are contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ."

"For those who, out of honest ignorance, are supporting the RH bill, we pray to the Holy Spirit for the light of wisdom and understanding. For those who are indifferent about this issue, or are afraid to stand for the faith, or have grown cold in their faith, we pray for ardent zeal," he said.

More at: http://66.117.4.124/cebu/local-news/forces-against-rh-bill-both-troubled

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 03:23:49 PM »
Michael Voris ningari sa Pilipinas aron maghatag ug talk about the issue of RH Bill. ;D

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2011, 12:22:50 AM »
May God continue to bless and instruct Bishop Palma , always. Great stance, Your Eminence!  :)

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2011, 11:57:40 AM »
Not only Bishop Palma but also to all the bishops who are on their full capacity standing against the RH Bill code named Responsible Parenthood Bill now. Kay Bishop Precioso Cantillas of the Diocese of Southern Leyte, naa ra mi sa imong likod Mons. ;D

Let us pray for the enlightenment of all the proponents of this Bill. Unta maka mata na. Cheers!

I like the publicity of the CBCP on this Bill: WE ARE AGAINST THE RH BILL, AND WE ARE SERIOUS!. Mga isog jamo ning atong mga Bishops. This is really the time for them to fight against what is morally correct.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2011, 03:08:25 PM »
Not only Bishop Palma but also to all the bishops who are on their full capacity standing against the RH Bill code named Responsible Parenthood Bill now. Kay Bishop Precioso Cantillas of the Diocese of Southern Leyte, naa ra mi sa imong likod Mons. ;D

Let us pray for the enlightenment of all the proponents of this Bill. Unta maka mata na. Cheers!

I like the publicity of the CBCP on this Bill: WE ARE AGAINST THE RH BILL, AND WE ARE SERIOUS!. Mga isog jamo ning atong mga Bishops. This is really the time for them to fight against what is morally correct.

Amen Brod Vince! May the Holy Spirit always live strong and be voiced out from the depths of our hearts and souls. Praise be to God!

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2011, 01:52:38 AM »
The CBCP issued a pastoral letter against the bill last January 31, where they stated that they are against the non-consideration of moral principles; anti-life, anti-natal and contraceptive mentality reflected in media and some proposed legislation; efforts to railroad the RH bill; the trajectory of the bill toward population control; and the use of public funds for contraceptives, sterilization and compulsory sex education.

can anything be worse than these points?  i personally hate the sight of those big billboards advertising condoms in manila.  we may be losing a big part of what we are as a nation.  how sad. :(



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2011, 01:53:12 AM »
thanks for the thorough research, bai tigs!



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2011, 04:39:57 AM »
Kinahanglan protektahan ang atong kababehan sa mga kada-ot nga dala sa sayo nga pagkabuntis, sobra-an kadaghan ug pagkasunod sa mga pagbuntis, ug sa HIV/AIDS, apil napud ani ang kalalakehan.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2011, 11:44:32 AM »
Kinahanglan protektahan ang atong kababehan sa mga kada-ot nga dala sa sayo nga pagkabuntis, sobra-an kadaghan ug pagkasunod sa mga pagbuntis, ug sa HIV/AIDS, apil napud ani ang kalalakehan.

Support the RH Bill!

angay mahibaw-an sa kababaihan ug kalalakihan nga naay gitawag nga pugong aron di madaot sa sayong pagkabuntis ug pagsunod-sunod nga pagbuntis.  tawo ta, di ta iro o iring nga magpataka lang. 

no to the rh bill as government funds could be put to better use in improving our educational system and basic services and facilities in some forgotten areas; no to the rh bill whose advocacy has been tainted with western and big pharmaceuticals lobbying.  no to the rh bill as it may encourage promiscuity!



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2011, 11:46:51 AM »
I think it is the responsibility of the chuch and the parents to guide the children away from promiscuity while the state would be the last line of defense if they fail. I believe that the RH Bill would do just that.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2011, 12:09:44 PM »
why couldn't the state be part of the first line of defense so we can have an institutional triumvirate instead?  if the state acts as the last line of defense, if it shows itself as the last line of defense, it may just manage to make it easy to go through the first line because there's a last line anyway.

p.s.  how terrible can it be for a mother when her 8-year-old boy asks what a condom is because its emblazoned on big billboards dotting manila's thoroughfares.

 

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2011, 12:20:43 PM »
The state could not possibly have a unified values-oriented solution to these problems with a diverse population such as the Philippines. These matters are different from case to case depending on religion, culture and such other factors that our society offers therefore if the state would attempt one unified solution to the problem then it risks discriminating the other groups whose morals may be contrary to the values the state set out to promote. The best thing it should do is provide a solution to current problems of fetuses being dumped anywhere, families having to eat only once a day due to their sheer number, and young people who ruin their lives due to early pregnancy and STD's through adolescent health education, and responsible parenthood and family planning programs.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2011, 01:57:02 AM »
there are previous threads in this forum that have tackled the many sides of the rh bill.  tackling your valid points would mean a repeat of the pro and con arguments in those threads.  some of those, anyway:

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my thoughts, scarbzy migs...

it looks like it's difficult to distinguish between what is practical and what choice means for the two sides.  we know that both are agreed on family planning, it is in the means that the two sides diverge.  natural as against artificial, as we all know.

the church is well aware that there are artificial contraceptives that are abortifacients (these kill the fertilized ovum).  it is also aware that millions are allegedly involved in the lobby for the passage of the rh bill. 

those big pharmaceuticals are the very sector that stands to profit most once hundreds of thousands of contraceptives are distributed for free.  these contraceptives are not donated by big pharmaceuticals.  often as not, these are paid for by our government with aid money from western countries and which we will have to pay for.  (there's no such thing as a free 'aid'.  it's always a loan in the guise of an aid, and usually the 'donor' that calls the shots includes a stipulation on population control, with specific time-bounded targets that practicality ensures can only be met by artificial means, with contraceptives bought by us from their own big pharmaceuticals.  the more our government follows this stipulation, the more will the donor release subsequent aids.  well, geopolitics equals multinational big businesses.) 

some of us with some background on big-time project proposals for funding must be aware that sometimes aid that's entered as 'cash' on paper is actually the cost of the items that are 'donated'.  heaven help us if we have to pay, because it's a loan, for contraceptives worth millions, because the donor country had already bought them for us from their own pharmaceuticals.

these are just some of the things that have to be cleared out by the two sides, i suppose, to erase the mistrust.   

lest we forget, wasn't it third world women who unwittingly became laboratory rats when the first contraceptive pills went on trial?  these were reportedly distributed first in third world countries, as aids, before these were made available in the countries that manufactured them.  all because the population of third world countries is the whipping boy of the west when it comes to poverty.  tell that to the homeless in new york.   



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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 02:01:28 AM »
Re: Let's Read the Reproductive Health (RH) Bill
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2010, 09:22:08 PM »

at this point, i'll cease and desist (;D!) first from posting the body parts (ugh!) of House Bill 96 to face the posts of www.tubagbohol.com re proposed Reproductive Health and Population Development Act of 2008, otherwise known as House Bill 5043, whose previous incarnation is House Bill 4110.  (both failed passage in congress.)

these are excerpts of the pastoral letter entitled A Catechism on Family and Life for the 2010 Elections (Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines, Episcopal Commission on Family and Life, December 27, 2009 – Feast of the Holy Family), which also covered House Bill 5043 of 2008:

11.  What is reproductive health?

The UN defines reproductive health as the state of physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity in all matters relating to the reproductive system and to its functions and processes. It states that people have the right to a “satisfying and safe sex life.”  The conjugal union is natural and proper in marriage, but in contrast, reproductive health disposes all people, including children and adolescents, to the sexual act and the freedom to decide if, when and how often to reproduce, provided that these are not against the law. (UN Cairo Conference, Program of Action).

Following this definition, if having a satisfying sex life results in an unwanted pregnancy, the mental anguish this causes will negatively affect the person’s mental and social well-being unless one has access to contraception and abortion.  This is the convoluted reasoning behind UN agencies’ insistence that reproductive health necessarily presupposes access to contraception and abortion.

Furthermore, the Reproductive Health bill (House Bill 5043), which carries the same definition of reproductive health, will penalize with one to six months imprisonment, and/or 10-50 thousand pesos fine, parents who for example prevent their grade school and high school children from using contraceptives, or from having satisfying and safe sex.  This item, along with the fact that certain contraceptives actually cause the abortion of 5-day old babies, is often ignored in supposedly unbiased and scientific surveys on the acceptability of the Reproductive Health bill.

All these are in the name of reproductive health and rights.  What about the rights of parents? And the rights of the unborn?



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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 02:04:47 AM »
more excerpts from the pastoral letter:

12.  What are some experiences in other countries in relation to reproductive health and related to family and life issues?

Family and Life workers and families in the Philippines, to whom this Catechism is primarily directed, could easily and clearly see the probable goals of reproductive health and rights advocates in the country, by looking at what is happening abroad.  In some countries, school clinics are required to inform parents if their child has been treated for a minor scratch; on the other hand, the same school clinics are PROHIBITED from informing parents if their child seeks treatment for abdominal pains caused by a recent abortion.  In other places, children are required to obtain parental consent for a tattoo, but not for an abortion.

A high-ranking official of a foreign country massively funding reproductive health services in the Philippines categorically stated last April that, “We happen to think that family planning is an important part of women’s health, and reproductive health includes access to abortion.”  A local columnist wrote in November 2008 that “In Mexico City… the long struggle for reproductive health and rights culminated in the recent passage of a law lifting all restrictions on abortion.”  Many countries all over the world and the United Nations agencies work for reproductive health and rights until they have fully facilitated access to abortion.

Underlying this concept of reproductive or sexual health and rights is a view that radically separates sexuality, procreation and the complementariness between men and women.  It is a view that identifies pleasure as the ultimate goal of sexuality and reduces procreation as a function of the health care systems.  It also implies that men and women relate in temporary and modifiable unions that are a far cry from the beauty of conjugal love that is fully human, total, faithful, exclusive and open to life.

Men and women are persons before all else, and for this reason sexual behavior cannot be used only for pleasure.  Otherwise it would mean using a person simply as an object.


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Attempts to enact legislation promoting anti-family programs receive huge financial assistance and provide alluring incentives to persuade our politicians to commit themselves to their advocacy.  Foreign-funded lobby groups have been operating for more than a decade to openly advocate for the enactment of population control laws, as well as abortion-friendly laws in pursuit of the UN Cairo Conference objective of universal abortion rights.  It makes one wonder why countries with below replacement fertility rates, desperate for babies and spending huge sums of money to encourage their own citizens to bear more children, contradict themselves by spending huge sums of money to suppress our population growth.

All these are consistent with Henry Kissinger’s 1974 National Security Study Memorandum 200 entitled “Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for US Security and Overseas Interest” which identified the increase in world population as inimical to the interest of the West.   This document has been coming out in recent public debates on reproductive health policies, and is available on the internet.  Do not reproductive health advocates bow down to their impositions?  Is it not more correct to say that they are the ones imposing their policies on our country?


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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2011, 07:19:40 AM »
Dili ba ni eksena sa usa ka sine, Bay Vist? ???



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Hmm, morag wa kaagig labad sa ulo nis Ms. Isle kon maohon...  :-X

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 :P

what a pathetic buffoon. instead of manifesting / showing his histrionic typal behavior , he should clean his messy bedroom. that way he may at least attract women to bed with him. idiot.

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« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2011, 12:53:23 AM »
 Lami gud paminawon nga daghan tag bata ( 4 or 5 ) pero, ug kon JAMO tay ika paka-on ug ika pa eskwela nila, ato rapong kaugalingon ang atong gisakit, kai lo-oy man ang atong mga bata...

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A senior Roman Catholic bishop on Friday compared Philippine President Benigno Aquino to the ousted dictator Ferdinand Marcos, in an escalating war of words over a controversial bill promoting artificial contraception.

The plan before Congress has put Aquino on a collision course with the country's powerful Catholic church leaders, who this week walked out of talks on the Reproductive Health bill.

Anti-RH groups supported the bishops and stepped up pressure against Aquino, calling for a widespread civil disobedience campaign, including non-payment of taxes.

"Not to pay taxes, I will be surprised if somebody will say that publicly because if I am not mistaken, that's a serious criminal offence," Aquino told reporters on Friday.

"I think sedition will be the charge that will be filed for your not doing your civic obligation."

Aquino's latest statement in the battle over the bill, which includes measures to promote sex education and the use of artificial contraceptives, immediately drew criticism from Catholic bishops, who have blocked similar measures since the 1990s.

"He can put us all in jail," Ramon Arguelles, archbishop of Lipa, south of Manila, told reporters, adding Aquino sounded like the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos, who also threatened groups calling for civil disobedience during his regime.

"We are willing to pay the price to save the unborn from modern Herods and save the executioners from the grasp of the evil one."

Archbishop Angel Lagdameo, former head of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines, said the government must consider the moral aspect of the issue.

"In the end, we must obey God and not man," he added.

The Catholic church is a powerful political force in the Philippines, playing a key role in the overthrow of two presidents, including Marcos, during the past 25 years, and politicians generally avoid picking fights with the clergy.

The president's mother, democracy heroine Corazon Aquino, herself called for a campaign of civil disobedience against Marcos after she said he stole her election victory in 1986.

The allegations of poll fraud helped spark a popular revolt that toppled Marcos's 20-year rule and swept Cory Aquino to power.

Aquino said his government would prioritize the passage of a reproductive health bill in Congress as a tool to cut poverty in the poor but resource-rich Southeast Asian state.

Aquino pledged last month to push for the enactment of the reproductive health bill in Congress in a bid to lower maternal death in the Philippines, even at the risk of excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church.

The bishops say some forms of contraceptives are tantamount to abortion, which is illegal in the Philippines. About 80 percent of the country's 94 million people are Catholics. — Reuters

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"He can put us all in jail," Ramon Arguelles, archbishop of Lipa, south of Manila, told reporters, adding Aquino sounded like the late dictator Ferdinand Marcos, who also threatened groups calling for civil disobedience during his regime.

Hmm, this debate is getting rather nasty...

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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2011, 09:35:30 AM »
Sunod suweldo dili na ko magpadeduct ug income tax. Hehehehe. Kalaay nang mga opisyales sa gobyerno, dagkog kita pero way bayad bayad ug buhis. Unja dili pud ko gusto nga ang ahong buhis ipalit ra ug condom aron ipanghatag sa mga katawhan. Unsa man ko sponsor sa ilang pagkauwagan???

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« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2011, 09:37:20 AM »
Sunod suweldo dili na ko magpadeduct ug income tax. Hehehehe. Kalaay nang mga opisyales sa gobyerno, dagkog kita pero way bayad bayad ug buhis. Unja dili pud ko gusto nga ang ahong buhis ipalit ra ug condom aron ipanghatag sa mga katawhan. Unsa man ko sponsor sa ilang pagkauwagan???

bitaw. good point, brod vince. sayang ang trabaho kai gi hatag raman diay ang sapi sa mga maniakis sa kalibotan.

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« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2011, 11:34:02 AM »
I'm against on the RH Bill!!!  Regards to all..

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« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2011, 07:03:44 PM »
what a pathetic buffoon. instead of manifesting / showing his histrionic typal behavior , he should clean his messy bedroom. that way he may at least attract women to bed with him. idiot.

Hmmnn U are using d word "idiot" here dockie..but in other thread,U defies not to utter it..saksfan..!  :P


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Hmm, taboguk or idiyut?

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ajaw lagi isod ug igawas imo itlogic..makabalik jud sa curse 10 ba..:-)

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Bwahaha! Mabaklagay jud atong itlogic aning kalakiha!

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« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2011, 01:41:58 AM »
Sunod suweldo dili na ko magpadeduct ug income tax. Hehehehe. Kalaay nang mga opisyales sa gobyerno, dagkog kita pero way bayad bayad ug buhis. Unja dili pud ko gusto nga ang ahong buhis ipalit ra ug condom aron ipanghatag sa mga katawhan. Unsa man ko sponsor sa ilang pagkauwagan???

Vince, how much does the government take from your check diay?

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« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2011, 09:20:51 AM »
Vince, how much does the government take from your check diay?

Ehem, from the salary Bro, the government imposes a graduated rate. Depende sa imohang pay. The bigger the pay, the bigger the rate, but it starts at 5% and ends at 32%.

But that does not include other taxes I pay everyday like Value-Added Tax from everything I purchase. 12% ang rate ana. I say that I pay the VAT since VAT is a passed on tax, meaning the buyer or the consumer ultimately pays the tax. When I ride bus or jeepney I pay also the percentage tax for the public transportation. And so on and so fort. Bisan ganing ug mamatay na ka diri sa Pilipinas may tax pa, I dont know sa injo dihaa Bro.

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« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2011, 11:57:25 AM »
Ok. ra man. Dili unta manghilabot ang Catholic Church ani ang Bill. Wala na ba diay separation of the church and state sa atong bag-ong Constitution.

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« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2011, 02:40:13 PM »

ajaw lagi isod ug igawas imo itlogic..makabalik jud sa curse 10 ba..:-)

Hmm, ang mga itlogic sa nangomentaryo diri, unsay imong tan-aw, okay ra or dili? ;D

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« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2011, 02:45:04 PM »
DIli man pud siguro matawag nga panghilabot ang gibuhat sa Catholic Church kay miexpress ra man sija sa ijahang stand and opposition sa proposed bill. At the end of the day, ang Congress ra gihapon makadecide ana. Naa ra na nila kung magpaapekto sila sa stand sa Catholic Church.

According sa constitution ang Separation of the State and The Church is defined daw by the national government not funding any religion, like sa mga activities ug sa mga structures. Dapat wa daw way labanan, dapigan o pondohan ang gobyerno nga religious organization. So, sa ahong tan-aw wa koy nakita nga pagpanghilabot sa Simbahan sa atong panggobyerno.

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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2011, 01:15:12 AM »
this bill is another form of corruption, kawawa nanaman si Juan dela Cruz nga ang na contribute nyang buwis nga ipinatong sa araw-araw nyang bilihin kaya subrang mahal na ang bilihin dahil sa ipinatong na buwis mapupunta nanaman sa bulsa ng mga congressman/congresswoman pambili ng Luxury Vehicle at mansion.

bakit ayaw nila magdagdag ng health workers para i-assign sa mga lugar nga kailangan'g tutukan ang mga pamilya nga may maraming anak at itong mga health workers ang dapat managot kong walang epekto ang programang pag pababa sa population sa paraan nga natural family planning.

several thousand pa'ng mga health workers ang mabibiyan ng trabaho kong sa ganitong paraan ang gagawin ng Goberno.


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« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2011, 09:33:35 AM »
inplowensya ni satanas ning RH Bill. so, sa akong tan-aw mga demonyo ning nag pro ani. sa akong tan-aw ang swak sa hitsura sa demonyong bijag nawong si miriam ug si lagman ang gwapa nga anyo sa demonyo si leah, ang b***t nga demonyo si cidran! hahaahahahha!

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« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2011, 10:47:54 AM »
Bwahahahahaha. Cildran? Kadto ba nang naghimo ug eksina sa Manila Cathedral? Pastilan. Nakatawa ko ug was lugar ani.

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« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2011, 10:49:56 AM »
Sakto ka Mr. Vistabel. Kadaghan pa sa problema sa Pilipinas nga dapat atubangon gawas anang kauwag nga dili mapugngan. Ang nindot ana magpatawag na lamang ug plebisito aron mahuman. Kung maapprove aw daug ang Pro, kung mapildi daug ang Anti. Unja kung mapildi na, kinahanglan dili na buhion bisan kanus-a nang proposed RH Bill.

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« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2011, 11:52:18 AM »
sakto ka pre cildran kadtong bakla nga nagdag "damaso" sa sud sa simbahan. pagka way batasan jud. wa sija katugkad kon unsa kalawom ang misa agui ug had/pahinumdum sa pag sakripisyo ni Jesu Kristo nga atong ginoo aron ta ma luwas. tuo kog gaba sano!

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« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2011, 12:37:27 PM »
Nag voice out napood si Celdran sa iyang opposition to the Catholic Church? Ay, ka bu**** nis tawhana da. Mao man ni sija ning singgit ug "Damaso" sa simbahan no?



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« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2011, 02:18:59 PM »
mao na sya Dong bakla yang taong yan!

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« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2011, 02:46:56 PM »
Mieksina pud ganing ni ug paksi sa Anti RH Bill nga mga banners sa CBCP. Dugay dugay na pud nuon to.

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« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2011, 11:03:13 AM »
'Anti-RH bill' gains headway in House panel
By RG Cruz, ABS-CBN News
Posted at 05/25/2011 11:18 PM | Updated as of 05/26/2011 8:35 AM


MANILA, Philippines - As the rest of the House of Representatives was busy tackling the reproductive health (RH) bill in plenary on Wednesday, a bill perceived to be an "anti-RH" measure made some headway at the commitee level.

Deputy Majority Leader Janet Garin confirmed to ABS-CBN News in a phone call that the committee on the revision of laws  on Wednesday morning formed a technical working group on House Bill 3667 that was authored by Manila Rep. Amado Bagatsing.

Garin said the bill, titled “An Act Increasing The Penalties Against Abortion, Amending For The Purpose Articles 256, 257, 258, and 259 of the Revised Penal Code, and For Other Purposes" essentially declares contraceptives as abortifacients.

It was originally filed on November 15, 2010.

The committee has formed a technical working group (TWG) to study the bill. A TWG is called prior to final committee action on any bill.

Garin, however, doubted the rightness of the move, saying such a bill would require many studies prior to adoption.

If the committee takes final action  to approve the bill, it will be the first anti-RH bill that will make it to plenary.

Other bills similarly considered to be anti-RH, like the protection of the rights of the unborn child bills filed by Parañaque Rep. Roilo Golez and Rep. Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, have been languishing in debates at the committee level. -- http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/

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« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2011, 11:42:36 AM »
Dihay debate nga gisponsor sa GMA NEws TV (kanhi nga QTV 11). Kinsay nakatan-aw ato?

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« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2011, 11:19:21 PM »

wa ko makatan-aw, tigs.  dia hinoon koy nabasahan, and i feel it's interesting for this thread.  (from Time Special Commemorative Issue, May 16, 2011, Asian Edition):


"This is a really exciting day for the unborn Hoosier children."
                                      
                                                                   -Sue Swayze, legislative director of Indiana Right to Life, on the passage of a state bill that would defund Planned Parenthood; Republican Governor Mitch Daniels later announced he would sign it into law


notes:  

1.  the term 'hoosier' refers to people in indiana as those from tagbilaran are called tagbilaranons or those from cogon are called cogonites.

2.  some highlights of the planned parenthood movement of the state of indiana:  

1932 -Planned Parenthood of Indiana, Inc., originally the Indiana Birth Control League, was officially established  
February 4.
1936 -Federal Comstock Laws, which prohibited publication and distribution of information about sex, sexuality,
contraception and human reproduction, lifted.
1942 -First year federal funding was used for family planning.
1978 -Abortion services begin in Merrillville.
1991 -Abortion services begin in Bloomington.
1998 -The FDA approved the first dedicated use of pills specifically for the purpose of preventing ovulation, fertilization
or implantation after unprotected intercourse. :o
2003 -Planned Parenthood of Greater Indiana serves more 117,000 men and women with preventative services in
Indiana.  Through Pills by Mail, Bill A Pill and Emergency Contraception Online (ECOnline), Planned Parenthood of
Greater Indiana., Inc., helps women from across the state to access reproductive health services
locally and statewide.  (sounds familiar?)

3.  noticed how the movement that was started in 1932 had evolved through the years?  planned parenthood as it was implemented evolved into abortion services.

4.  government funding was started in 1942!  it looks like it took 69 years for public funds used to support abortions, pills, and what-have-you to be finally withdrawn.

5.  pauli na sila, kita padung pa.  

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« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2011, 02:57:06 AM »
Naay untay scientist mag develop ug tambal nga makawala ug uwag heheheh kay ang root jud aning tanan kay uwag raman. Paimnon ning mga uwagong pilipino ug tambal nga di manguwag aron wa poy daghan anak. Murag ang gi focus man gud sa mga scientist kay unsaon pagbalik sa uwag ug mawala na ang uwag instead wad on ang mga uwag ;D

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« Reply #62 on: May 27, 2011, 03:36:01 AM »
Naay untay scientist mag develop ug tambal nga makawala ug uwag heheheh kay ang root jud aning tanan kay uwag raman. Paimnon ning mga uwagong pilipino ug tambal nga di manguwag aron wa poy daghan anak. Murag ang gi focus man gud sa mga scientist kay unsaon pagbalik sa uwag ug mawala na ang uwag instead wad on ang mga uwag ;D


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« Reply #63 on: May 27, 2011, 08:50:47 AM »
wa ko makatan-aw, tigs.  dia hinoon koy nabasahan, and i feel it's interesting for this thread.  (from Time Special Commemorative Issue, May 16, 2011, Asian Edition):


"This is a really exciting day for the unborn Hoosier children."
                                     
                                                                   -Sue Swayze, legislative director of Indiana Right to Life, on the passage of a state bill that would defund Planned Parenthood; Republican Governor Mitch Daniels later announced he would sign it into law


notes: 

1.  the term 'hoosier' refers to people in indiana as those from tagbilaran are called tagbilaranons or those from cogon are called cogonites.

2.  some highlights of the planned parenthood movement of the state of indiana:   

     1932 -Planned Parenthood of Indiana, Inc., originally the Indiana Birth Control League, was officially established February 4.
     1936 -Federal Comstock Laws, which prohibited publication and distribution of information about sex, sexuality, contraception 
              and human reproduction, lifted.
     1942 -First year federal funding was used for family planning.
     1978 -Abortion services begin in Merrillville.
     1991 -Abortion services begin in Bloomington.
     1998 -The FDA approved the first dedicated use of pills specifically for the purpose of preventing ovulation, fertilization or
               implantation after unprotected intercourse. :o
     2003 -Planned Parenthood of Greater Indiana serves more 117,000 men and women with preventative services in Indiana.   
              Through Pills by Mail, Bill A Pill and Emergency Contraception Online (ECOnline), Planned Parenthood of Greater Indiana.,
              Inc., helps women from across the state to access reproductive health services locally and statewide.
              (sounds familiar?)

3.  noticed how the movement that was started in 1932 had evolved through the years?  planned parenthood as it was implemented evolved into abortion services.

4.  government funding was started in 1942!  it looks like it took 69 years for public funds used to support abortions, pills, and what-have-you to be finally withdrawn.

5.  pauli na sila, kita padung pa. 

Thank you ani Te Islex. Hinaut unta nga makita ug mapalandungan ni ni Rep. Lagman ug ubang RH Bill, dubbed Responsible Parenthood Bill. Gahi ug mga alimpatakan ning mga tawhana. Hehehe.

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« Reply #64 on: May 27, 2011, 08:53:45 AM »
Naay untay scientist mag develop ug tambal nga makawala ug uwag heheheh kay ang root jud aning tanan kay uwag raman. Paimnon ning mga uwagong pilipino ug tambal nga di manguwag aron wa poy daghan anak. Murag ang gi focus man gud sa mga scientist kay unsaon pagbalik sa uwag ug mawala na ang uwag instead wad on ang mga uwag ;D

Bwahahaha. Nakutaw ahong utok ani Te Raquel, sa pung nga uwag. Sa ahong bahin ang ahong gusto ihatag sa mga tawo ang CONTROL sa uwag. Kay siguro ang uwag kabahin na na sa pagkatawo nato, galing ang kuwang nato ang pagkontrol sa uwag. Kay matud pa lagi, everything has a season, may season sa pag uwag, naay dili puwede. Patujang ra man gud ning mga tawo ron. ;D

Naay untay, CONTROLLING TABLET.... puwede ba ni? Like pangontra sa STRESS naa nay STRESSTABS. Hahahaha. ;D

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« Reply #65 on: May 27, 2011, 02:14:54 PM »

Naa may uban nga bahalag pobre basta perming gahi. Magpakamatay man gani ang uban kon ang ilaha di na motindog... ;D

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« Reply #66 on: May 27, 2011, 02:17:41 PM »
ang uwag usa nis pag sukod sa atong Ginoo kong kamao ba tang mo daaa. gawas nga lami ni sija. siguro ang di na maghandum ani waaaa na. hehehe.. 

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« Reply #67 on: May 27, 2011, 04:00:26 PM »
Naa may uban nga bahalag pobre basta perming gahi. Magpakamatay man gani ang uban kon ang ilaha di na motindog... ;D

Naa man gani bijaan ra sa uyab o asawa ba kaha magpakamatay kay wa nay PATINDUGANAN. ;D

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« Reply #68 on: May 27, 2011, 04:12:06 PM »

Naa man gani bijaan ra sa uyab o asawa ba kaha magpakamatay kay wa nay PATINDUGANAN. ;D

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Kining mga tawhana angay tudloan ni Bay Bugsay sa saktong paggamit sa UNLAN... ;D

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Tsk, tsk, tsk. Kining mga tawhana angay tudloan ni Bay Bugsay sa saktong paggamit sa UNLAN... ;D

Unlang busloton? O naay buslot usa nga dako jamo. ;D

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« Reply #70 on: May 27, 2011, 05:09:20 PM »

morag tarong buslot ang angay aning tigs ug hubs da... ;D

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« Reply #71 on: May 27, 2011, 05:16:37 PM »
morag tarong buslot ang angay aning tigs ug hubs da... ;D

Kaluag anang taro Te Islex. Hahahaha. ;D

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« Reply #72 on: May 27, 2011, 05:20:37 PM »

Unlang busloton? O naay buslot usa nga dako jamo. ;D

Usa ray buslot unya ang gidak-on, depende ra... ;D

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morag tarong buslot ang angay aning tigs ug hubs da... ;D

Hmm, tarong buslot unya naay iring sa sulod? ???

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« Reply #74 on: May 27, 2011, 05:22:59 PM »
Usa ray buslot unya ang gidak-on, depende ra... ;D

Haha. Adjustible ba ang buslot? Usahay gud malanday man na. ;D

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« Reply #75 on: July 23, 2011, 09:18:54 PM »
RH Bill should be viewed with the interests of the poor in mind: http://wp.me/p1I9Oy-m

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« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2011, 11:26:15 PM »
from another point, the rh bill may be viewed as anti-poor.

please note the following excerpts (as posted by chicogon as « Reply #38 on: July 21, 2011, 01:06:37 AM », Philippine Government | Bohol Politics > Bishops cleared):

I have elsewhere conclusively proved, in an article of Tolstoyan proportions and Kantian acuity, that the bill has only slimmest relevance to reproductive health and women’s empowerment, while Nobel laureate Amartya Sen proved that educating women better empowers them to say “no” to more children than their mates can pay to maintain.

The real and only purpose of the misleadingly labeled reproductive-health bill is to enforce artificial birth control on a rampantly randy colored race through the free distribution of expensive contraceptives (not covered by the Cheaper Medicine Act) to be sold by the giant pharmaceutical firms that are bankrolling the RH bill. There is no birth-control program anywhere in the white world.

The Aquino administration has argued that the same principle forbids the Catholic Church from asserting politically its most cherished belief—in the priceless sanctity of life—against the secular conviction that life is only for those who can afford it and not for those who cannot.

The Aquino administration accused the Catholic Church of violating the separation of church-and-state principle, as much by accepting the PCSO’s money to purchase utility vehicles for social work, as by politically asserting its most cherished belief in the priceless sanctity of human life against the Aquino administration’s opposed view that life is only as good as its economic contribution and drops in value when supply outstrips demand. The Aquino administration believes that religious belief can only find private expression and never political action—a view that would have denied Cory Aquino the faith-based political power to liberate her people.

 
excerpts from Damn the bishops for taking it lying down, FREE FIRE by Teddy Locsin, Jr. (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/opinion/)

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Bishops launch attacks anew vs RH bill
Saturday, July 23, 2011


ROMAN Catholic bishops went on another offensive on Saturday as they warned that Philippine society will further decay once the controversial Reproductive Health (RH) bill is passed into law.

The bill's passage will only result in society losing its moral values, outgoing Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) president Bishop Nereo Odchimar said in a statement he made in time for the 43rd anniversary of the Humane Vitae letter of Pope Paul VI on July 25.

The anniversary falls on President Benigno Aquino III's second State of the Nation Address (Sona) before members of Congress and the public.

"At the heart of the RH bill or Responsible Parenthood bill is this secularist and materialistic spirit. The bill ignores moral and religious considerations in the name of democracy and freedom of choice in a pluralist society," he said.

Both houses of Congress are currently debating the merits of the RH bill, which was backed by President Aquino and militant organizations.

The late pope's encyclical re-affirmed the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church regarding married love, responsible parenthood, and the prohibition of using artificial contraceptives.

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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #78 on: July 24, 2011, 02:33:29 PM »
Make RH bill a priority

For their part, women members of the Partido ng Manggagawa (PM) called on President Aquino to include the RH bill in his priority legislations for Monday's Sona.

"You have made sporadic statements of support to the RH bill. It has been confusing though because you did not include it in your first Sona priority list of legislations," PM secretary-general Judy Ann Miranda said.

While the RH bill is not the "be all, end all" solution to poverty, Akbayan lawmaker Walden Bello said it provides an option for families to make prudent and smart economic decisions.

Bello said that in hindsight an increase in population could be a great contributor to development.

However, he countered that an unrestrained population growth can spell trouble for development especially when such growth occurs alongside an economy that is unable to accommodate or maximize a rapidly growing population.

The Philippines is expected to end the year with 95 million people as the government eyed economic growth of at least seven percent until 2016 to cut poverty levels.

Poor Filipinos reached 23.1 million in 2009 from 22.2 million in 2006, according to the National Statistical Coordination Board. (Virgil Lopez/Sunnex) -- http://www.sunstar.com.ph/

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« Reply #79 on: July 26, 2011, 06:24:43 PM »
Make RH bill a priority

However, he countered that an unrestrained population growth can spell trouble for development especially when such growth occurs alongside an economy that is unable to accommodate or maximize a rapidly growing population.

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UNRESTRAINED = Free of constraint; spontaneous and natural

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Wa ba ni sila kahibawo nga ang population growth rate sa Pilipinas nagkagamay? So dili tinuod nga unrestrained ang population sa Pilipinas, kay population growth in itself is subject to natural restrictions.

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« Reply #80 on: July 28, 2011, 02:57:43 PM »
What Guttmacher failed to point out in RH

Philippine Daily Inquirer
Thursday, July 28th, 2011



THIS REFERS to two letters, published in the Inquirer, that may be confusing to readers.

The first letter, from Raul Nidoy (“Breathtaking infatuation for RH bill,” Inquirer, 5/10/11), correctly referenced our systematic review, published in the Archives of Family Medicine, in which we concluded, “that good evidence exists to support the hypothesis that the effectiveness of oral contraceptives depends to some degree on postfertilization effects” on the lining of the uterus (endometrium).

This fact is now so well-established in medical literature that the United States Food and Drug Administration says of the pill: “Although the primary mechanism of action is inhibition of ovulation, other alterations include… changes in the endometrium which reduce the likelihood of implantation.”

The American Society for Reproductive Medicine also admits that the pill modifies “the endometrium, thus preventing implantation.”

If a woman on the pill has a breakthrough ovulation, the pill-caused changes in the endometrium will increase the chance of an unrecognized, pill-induced loss of a preborn human.

For those who believe that human life begins at fertilization, then any pill-caused post-fertilization loss of life would be, by definition, an abortifacient.


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« Reply #81 on: July 28, 2011, 03:06:01 PM »
The second letter, from Guttmacher Institute (“RH research findings distorted,” Inquirer, 7/1/11), claims that the “pill only serves to prevent a pregnancy; it does not terminate a pregnancy.  It is blatantly false and against all scientific evidence to claim that the pill is an abortifacient.”

This letter, purposefully we think, does not tell the readers that the Institute defines pregnancy as beginning at implantation, a full 5-7 days after fertilization, when the unborn human, now called a blastocyst (not a “fertilized egg”), is made up of roughly 100 or more cells.

Since the pill does not affect an unborn child after implantation and the Institute defines pregnancy as not beginning until implantation, then they can claim the pill is not an abortifacient, but only because they refuse to define pregnancy as beginning at fertilization.

The bottom line is this: if one believes human life begins at fertilization, then good scientific data exist to demonstrate that the pill works, at times, as an abortifacient.

Furthermore, given that there are highly effective, inexpensive, totally natural, and non-abortifacient methods of birth control (the methods of modern natural family planning), it appears that most arguments for using birth control pills can be said to be advocating convenience for mothers and fathers at the potential expense of innocent and invaluable human life.

WALTER L. LARIMORE, MD
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Department of Community and Family Medicine
University of Colorado
Health Sciences Center
Denver, CO, USA

JOSEPH B. STANFORD, MD, MSPH, CFCMC
professor, Division of Public Health
George D. and Esther S. Gross Chair
Department of Family and Preventive Medicine
University of Utah
375 Chipeta Way, Suite A
Salt Lake City, UT 84108, USA


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Re: RH Bill: UNsay injong tan-aw, okay ra or dili?
« Reply #82 on: July 28, 2011, 03:21:17 PM »
Now, where in the Consolidated RH Bill can we read about the definition of when does life begin? Wa gajud. Mao ni wa maklaro pa.

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« Reply #83 on: July 28, 2011, 03:39:36 PM »
would it be safe to say then that it may appear that those who crafted this bill weren't too concerned with ethical matters?  or maybe the saw poverty (oh, this overused word to describe our kind, sigh) as ethical enough a reason for having fewer of us?   

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« Reply #84 on: July 28, 2011, 04:08:17 PM »
Life Begins at the Beginning
(A Doctor Gives the Scientific Facts on When Life Begins)


By Fritz Baumgartner, MD

April 12, 2005

Dear Friend,

We can approach abortion from many perspectives: Biological, embryological, genetic, philosophical, social and economic, at the very least. As for the first three – my approach as a scientist, physician, surgeon, and simply someone who finished medical school, is factual.

There is no more pivotal moment in the subsequent growth and development of a human being than when 23 chromosomes of the father join with 23 chromosomes of the mother to form a unique, 46-chromosomed individual, with a gender, who had previously simply not existed. Period. No debate.

There is no more appropriate moment to begin calling a human "human" than the moment of fertilization. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because it would be a degradation of factual embryology to say it would be any other moment. For example, some pro-abortion zealots and even, shockingly, some disingenuous physicians claim it is the moment of primitive notochord formation (nonsense!) or, even more absurdly, the moment of implantation. (It defies sanity to claim that the implantation of a developing blastocyst onto a uterine wall defines humanity more than does the completion of an entirely new DNA map, which defines a new organism's existence).

And to say that "size" is a determinant of humanity, of course, is an unscientific reason to deny an embryo his or her human status.  In any event, it is an embryological reality, which no embryology textbook on earth denies, that at the moment of fertilization a new human being is formed.

Following below is some information about some of the less noble ideologies of my colleagues in medicine as they pertain to defining humanity and defending abortion. I hope it helps you refute pro-abortion lies.

Abortion is violence

Some people muse whether modern-day abortion is as bad as the Holocaust genocide of the Nazis. What is our answer?

Looking at numbers alone, we are now, in 2005, comparing 44 million surgically aborted babies in the USA alone (not even considering the babies who die by pharmaceutical methods like the Pill, RU486, DepoProvera), to 6 million Jews in Europe. The evil rationale of the Holocaust was racial hatred -- the furthering of an “Aryan race” and genocide against Jews. The rationale of our modern Holocaust, by the very admission of pro-abortion groups, is primarily convenience.

The vocation of medicine and the vocation of motherhood are both profoundly sacred and should teach us that human life is of immense value. Abortion hijacks the vocations of motherhood and medicine and distorts them into something unrecognizable. Abortion takes ordinary pregnant mothers and makes them accomplices in – literally – murder. When human life is thus cheapened, we all lose. As I wrote in the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology,

"Modern American society has a strange ambivalence to violence and death, on the one hand expressing horror at high school massacres yet on the other hand perhaps merely shrugging in discomfort at the willful termination of early human life to the tune of tens of millions. The roots of this ambivalence lie in convenience, self-centeredness, and our national confusion regarding legitimate versus illegitimate 'choice.' Teenagers intuitively sense phoniness and hypocrisy and may have more trouble than adults in reconciling this apparent paradox, which seems so unnatural to the innocent mind yet on the other hand is almost taken for granted by society and, sadly, by medicine. As Mother Teresa of Calcutta said, ‘If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill each other?…Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want…’ " (1)

Hippocratic Oath was anti-abortion

When does life begin?

Some people claim that our human lives really do not begin at fertilization, and that a more realistic time for the dignity of "humanity" to be imparted on a growing blastocyst-embryo would be about a week after fertilization, about the time of implantation.

It does not change things that in centuries past, some great Catholic theologians and philosophers differed on when precisely a biological entity becomes infused with a human soul. St. Thomas Aquinas, using the limited scientific knowledge of the 13th century, followed Aristotle that the conception of a male child was completed at day 40, and that of the female child at the 90th day, with replacement of the embryo's “nutritive soul” by a human soul. The Venerable Maria de Agreda, a 17th-century visionary, wrote that human "ensoulment" occurs at different times for boys and girls, and that it occurs at a time later than fertilization.

I am not a philosopher or theologian but a student of medicine and surgery. I can speak to you with authority that from a pure, unadulterated biological and embryological standpoint, there is no greater pivotal moment in our growth and development than when 23 chromosomes from our father join with 23 chromosomes from our mother to form a unique, new biologic entity who heretofore simply had not existed.

This new biological individual is complete, has a gender, and is fully and uniquely programmed and equipped to grow and develop and change until death. All he or she needs is nutrition and a warm place to grow. To say that an embryo has the "potential" to become a human being is biologically and technically imprecise – and dangerous.

Perhaps even more dangerous is the concept that it is not a precise moment, but a gradation of human worth. With this model, a preborn baby at 3 months is somewhat of a human being, but a newborn is more of a human being.


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« Reply #85 on: July 28, 2011, 04:13:47 PM »
As a Medical Intern and a Clinical Instructor of Advanced EKG and Advanced Cardiac Life Support , I concur with Dr. Baumgartner. Life does not begin at delivery, life does not begin during 'fetal' stage of gestation. No. A human being's life begins during conception. When the 23 chromosomes that belong to mother join and unite with the 23 chromosomes that belong to the father. Together, they make a totally new , living being.


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« Reply #86 on: July 28, 2011, 04:25:22 PM »
Do these politicians and supporters of RH bill know how it is like to deliver a child? A living, breathing child?

I have delivered a child during a rotation in the Obstetrics/Gynecology Ward. It is not some kind of animal that comes out of a woman's vagina after 9 months of formation in the uterus. No. It is not some kind of 'it', but a human being. A human being with a soul, with a nervous system. A human being who can hear, feel pain, feel joy, and all the senses preordained all humans can experience by God.

Do these politicians know the effects of misoprostol (the abortifacient drug)? I do. I have treated patients who came to the E.R because of the massive blood loss after taking misoprostol. Hundreds of American patients die every year because of the effects of misoprostol , when used for abortion.

The only ones to benefit from this RH bill passing are the pharmaceutical companies.

In America, misoprostol is also known as "Cytotec". It is voraciously prescribed in these so called "Family Planning Facilities", which charge a pregnant mother some $400 for the pills that will induce her uterine lining to rip and to induce massive bleeding, killing the living child in the process.

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« Reply #87 on: July 28, 2011, 04:43:05 PM »
would it be safe to say then that it may appear that those who crafted this bill weren't too concerned with ethical matters?  or maybe the saw poverty (oh, this overused word to describe our kind, sigh) as ethical enough a reason for having fewer of us?   

Mao nay kuwang sa RH Bill, ang ethical side. Kanang mga proponents magsige ug ingon sa mga kontra basahon kono ang mao nga giduso nga balaud aron masuta kung naa ba gajuy dautan nga nakabutang didto. Warning lang, kung magbasa ka sa RH Bill mura ra ka ug nakakita sa nigil-it nga tumoy sa iceberg nga naa sa tubig.

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« Reply #88 on: July 28, 2011, 04:55:28 PM »
As a Medical Intern and a Clinical Instructor of Advanced EKG and Advanced Cardiac Life Support , I concur with Dr. Baumgartner. Life does not begin at delivery, life does not begin during 'fetal' stage of gestation. No. A human being's life begins during conception. When the 23 chromosomes that belong to mother join and unite with the 23 chromosomes that belong to the father. Together, they make a totally new , living being.


Life begins at conception. This is fact.

I agree with this. ;D

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« Reply #90 on: July 29, 2011, 08:37:36 PM »
Perhaps even more dangerous is the concept that it is not a precise moment, but a gradation of human worth. With this model, a preborn baby at 3 months is somewhat of a human being, but a newborn is more of a human being.

wow!  one of the best arguments i have come across.  if only our legislators can read this.

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« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2011, 02:18:16 AM »
Life begins at conception. There is no difference between termination of life during gestation to terminating life pospartum. Murder is murder.



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« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2011, 02:22:38 AM »
God bless the Catholic Church and leaders who have taken the cross to speak for and defend the rights of the unborn, and the defenseless.

Uphold and maintain the dignity of human life: born and unborn.



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