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« on: November 19, 2007, 01:00:40 PM »
I read an article posted by Mike several days ago which concerned the status on human genetics and cloning. It was an article that interested me as I have a very interesting view concerning that discourse. I was wonder what the respectable and intelligent minds of our very own Tubag Bohol thought about it. Do you think it is morally wrong? ethically wrong? Or do you think that it is essential for the progress and advancement of human civilization? Do you think that ethos and mores can be pushed aside for the good of the entire race?

I will share my own views later. Please, share your views on this rather interesting, and controversial topic.

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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2007, 11:01:18 AM »

      I think it's wrong. Did you know that the Japanese have already cloned a great dane? ( It was very successful ) :o
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2007, 12:47:27 PM »
and believes it is ethically unacceptable to use the technique to clone a human. ... 58% said they thought cloning was morally wrong, while 63% said they believed ...
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 08:38:22 AM »
no comments as of this time...

i would prefer for the scientist to work more on the stem cell than this...
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 06:22:55 PM »
A French scientest who is a member of a cult which believes that mankind was created by extra-terrestrials
has claimed that the group has produced the first - ever - cloned human being and Dr. Brigitte Boiseillier says that it's a baby girl which was born by ceasarian during December 2002. " Morally & spiritually wrong ".
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 09:50:20 PM »
Science's progress is undaunted; manifested in the brilliance of the human mind and our will to uncover the meaning of the genetic codets. The Glory of God is made true this year as scientists have found out a way to alter the characteristics of adult skin cells to act like embryonic stem cells. Embryonic stem cells are chameleon-like and were harvested by geneticists and neurobiologists as a way to uncover new techniques and cures to repair dead organ tissues, nerves etc in the body (brain tissue, heart tissue, liver tissue, kidney, prostate, stomach, muscle tissue, skin tissue etc). However, such processes were met with stiff resistance by moralists, ethicists and the religious right--seeing the immorality of cloning embryos and then killing them for access of those embryonic stem cells, which are 'pure' unadulterated cells that can act as any kind of cell if placed in any organism.

With this break through, which is lauded by the religious right, moralists, ethicists and scientists, we, as the human race, have surmounted over a huge obstacle in finding cures for diseases as well as respected our cultural norms and practices. Amazed. The human mind can surmount over anything.


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Scientists have for the first time grown colonies of prized human embryonic stem cells using a technique that does not require the destruction of embryos, an advance that could significantly reshape the ethical and political debates that have long entangled the research.

The new work, described in today's issue of the journal Nature, shows that even a single cell plucked from an early human embryo can be coaxed to divide repeatedly in a laboratory dish and grow into a colony of stem cells, coveted for their potential to mend failing organs.

It is already common for fertility doctors to remove a single cell from a days-old embryo before transferring that embryo into a woman's womb -- part of a test to screen out embryos bearing genetic defects. Although the safety of the cell-removal process is still under study, there is no evidence that the procedure puts embryos at significant risk or that babies born from such "biopsied" embryos are abnormal in any way.

If scientists were to grow stem cell colonies from some of the single cells already being removed for genetic testing, scientists said, they could vastly increase the number of colonies for research without putting any embryos at added risk. Until now, researchers have isolated stem cells only from older embryos, which are inevitably destroyed in the process.

"I hope this will solve the political impasse and allow scientists to move on," said Robert Lanza, who led the research at Advanced Cell Technology (ACT) in Worcester, Mass.

Several experts said they, too, hope that Congress and President Bush will accept the approach as worthy of funding with taxpayer money, a source of support off-limits to research that harms embryos.

"You can honestly say this cell line is from an embryo that was in no way harmed or destroyed," said Ronald M. Green, director of Dartmouth College's Ethics Institute and chief of an ethics panel that ACT convened to assess the experiment before it was done.

But early reactions from others suggest it will not be that simple. Bush offered little encouragement yesterday and, if anything, raised the bar higher, suggesting he would not be comfortable unless embryos were not involved at all.

"Any use of human embryos for research purposes raises serious ethical concerns," said a statement released by the White House. ". . . The President is hopeful that with time scientists can find ways of deriving cells like those now derived from human embryos but without the need for using embryos."

Lanza and his team started eight months ago with 16 embryos donated by fertility clinic patients. Each embryo consisted of about eight cells. The researchers took not just one cell from each, but as many as they could get -- destroying some of the embryos and ending up with 91 cells.

Kept in their own dishes with special nutrients, 53 of the cells began to divide and two formed robust colonies of what appear to be, by all tests, embryonic stem cells. ACT scientists have since turned some of the cells into blood vessels, retinal (eye) cells and other potentially useful tissues.

The process is inefficient, Lanza acknowledged -- and would probably be even more so if researchers were limited to taking just one cell per embryo. Moreover, the colonies were grown in mixtures containing animal ingredients, which can leave human stem cells too contaminated for use in medical therapies. The team is now developing non-animal nutrients.

But some experts raised more daunting concerns. Several questioned whether using an embryo's single biopsied cell for stem cell cultivation before doing the genetic testing -- a kind of testing that always destroys the cell, so it cannot be done first -- might put that cell at risk of dying before the crucial gene test is done.

Others expressed concern that the single cell removed from an eight-cell embryo might, under certain conditions, itself be capable of becoming an embryo and eventually a baby. If so, the destruction of the cell might violate the president's insistence that scientists not take what some consider a life to save a life.

Experiments have shown that some mammals can develop from a single cell taken from a four-cell embryo. But several scientists yesterday said no mammal has ever been grown from a single cell taken from an eight-cell embryo -- a more advanced stage of development in which each cell has already become somewhat specialized.

Richard Doerflinger of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said he is concerned that such a feat may nonetheless be possible. The new work, he said, "raises more ethical questions than it answers."

James F. Battey, chief of the stem cells task force at the National Institutes of Health, said that if a scientist were to apply for grant money to conduct studies like Lanza's, the agency would ask for a legal opinion from the general counsel for the Department of Health and Human Services.

Two issues would have to be considered. The first is whether the work would violate a 10-year-old rider on HHS appropriations that precludes the use of agency funding for research "in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death."

Battey asked: "Where is the bar going to be set? I really don't know, but it's not a scientific call. It's a legal call."

The second question is whether the work violates Bush's ban on federal funding of research on any embryonic stem cells created after Aug. 9, 2001 -- a ban based on the presumption, true at the time, that all such research would require the destruction of embryos.

"Here it's a different derivation process, so it's unclear to me where the president's policy stands," Battey said.

John Gearhart, a stem cell researcher at Johns Hopkins Medical Institutions in Baltimore, said he was hopeful that Lanza's approach would prove fruitful. But he was frustrated, he said, by the fact that Bush's order and the congressional appropriations rider continue to keep federal researchers from a more immediately promising resource: embryos slated for destruction at fertility clinics.

"You have to remember that all this talk of protecting embryos is being done against the background of the routine throwing away of embryos" at clinics, Gearhart said.

Last month, Bush vetoed legislation that would have allowed federally funded scientists to study discarded embryos.


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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2007, 10:36:55 PM »
Dong, thanks for this post...

I was/am very fascinated with this Stem Cell "thing"...


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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 06:46:51 PM »
Nothing is wrong with it as long as it's for the betterment of our human race.
heeey? what's the point of this?


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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 06:11:47 AM »
Ah, so we have one who is pro.

Anyone else? What say you, Tubag Bohol?

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 06:17:27 AM »

mao gud sakto gud ka miss belle di na gani ko ganahan mosuot sa ahong sinena kon makakita ko nagsuot pariha sa aho sinina pud  labi na kon e clone ta bwa hahaha
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 06:45:20 AM »
Human cloning falls into two main categories: reproduction, in order to obtain the birth of a baby; and medical therapy or research, in order to produce embryonic stem cells with a predetermined genetic patrimony that can overcome the problem of immune–system rejection.

Reproductive cloning is control over human evolution, to select human beings with superior qualities or to produce a child who is a copy of another.The fact that someone would arrogate to himself the right to determine arbitrarily the genetic characteristics of another person represents a grave offense to the dignity of that person as well as to the fundamental equality of all people.The originality of every person is a consequence of the particular relationship that exists between God and a human being from the first moment of his existence.What if I know I was clone I be really miserable thingking I am not original.Dapat orig jud ko.

Therapeutic cloning is even more serious from the ethical point of view.“To create embryos with the intention of destroying them, even with the intention of helping the sick, is completely incompatible with human dignity because it makes the existence of a human being at the embryonic stage nothing more than a means to be used and destroyed. It is gravely immoral to sacrifice a human life for therapeutic ends,”Kung ikaw ang nabutang sa embryonic cell unsa man imong bation beh kung i destroy ka para maayo ang masakiton.I think I have rights to live too.Di gyud ko magpanuko ug carry sa akong matris anang embyro nga gihimo sa mga scientist para mahatagan lang nako ug life kaysa i destroy.

I strongly support the techniques for producing embryo–like stem cells without creating or destroying human embryos.The techniques include “altered nuclear transfer” and “oocyte–assisted reprogramming,” which, using an unfertilized human egg and the nucleus of another cell, replace or reprogram genes so that pluripotent stem cells –– those that can develop into any bodily tissue –– are produced, but not a human embryo. I think this technique is less controvercial and more effective.


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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 06:48:57 AM »
Raquel,

That was an excellent rebuttal and well delivered.

I shall give my view on this later on.


Anyone else with similar/different views?

Tubag!



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