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Unsa ang indulhensya?
« on: August 04, 2009, 05:28:41 PM »
Sa atong nakat-onan unsa man ang inyong pagtoo, unsa ang boot ipasabot sa polong nga indulhensya?

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 08:32:43 PM »

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 09:06:14 PM »
Indulhensya is mga buhat nimo sa pag ampo human ka gihatagan ug penetensya diin kining mga pag ampo magbunga ug maayo para nimo ug para sa imong intention like para ba ron sa Pope or sa kalag sa purgatoryo. Mahug man siguro pud ni ug murag sakripisyo dili lang para nimo kundi para sa uban.
Kana bitaw mag atiman tag tigulang or masakiton mao nay ingnon bahala ug nag antos ka kay imo man nang indulhensya. Mga points na nimo sa langit mao na akong pagsabot manay.


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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 09:11:59 PM »
Indulhensya is mga buhat nimo sa pag ampo human ka gihatagan ug penetensya diin kining mga pag ampo magbunga ug maayo para nimo ug para sa imong intention like para ba ron sa Pope or sa kalag sa purgatoryo. Mahug man siguro pud ni ug murag sakripisyo dili lang para nimo kundi para sa uban.
Kana bitaw mag atiman tag tigulang or masakiton mao nay ingnon bahala ug nag antos ka kay imo man nang indulhensya. Mga points na nimo sa langit mao na akong pagsabot manay.


Mao diay nay buot ipasabot ug indulhensya. Karon pa jud ko kasabot ani nga word bisan pemi ni litokon sa ahong mga elders sauna. Kaingon man gud ko ug blessing ang buot ipasabot ani mao nga wa ko kapangutana ug unsa ni.

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2009, 09:53:34 PM »
Indulhensya is mga buhat nimo sa pag ampo human ka gihatagan ug penetensya diin kining mga pag ampo magbunga ug maayo para nimo ug para sa imong intention like para ba ron sa Pope or sa kalag sa purgatoryo. Mahug man siguro pud ni ug murag sakripisyo dili lang para nimo kundi para sa uban.
Kana bitaw mag atiman tag tigulang or masakiton mao nay ingnon bahala ug nag antos ka kay imo man nang indulhensya. Mga points na nimo sa langit mao na akong pagsabot manay.



Jati Kel mura man ka ug sister act dear! abi nimo wa baja jud ko kabalo unsa nang indulhensya. Im glad you expained it. I think you are right, Sister. hahaha!



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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2009, 09:54:49 PM »
Mao diay nay buot ipasabot ug indulhensya. Karon pa jud ko kasabot ani nga word bisan pemi ni litokon sa ahong mga elders sauna. Kaingon man gud ko ug blessing ang buot ipasabot ani mao nga wa ko kapangutana ug unsa ni.

Candi preha jud ta Day. pastilan hagbong na jud ta ug catechism ani...

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2009, 09:58:06 PM »
Candi preha jud ta Day. pastilan hagbong na jud ta ug catechism ani...

Mao jud. Lawom man gud pod ni nga binisaya.

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2009, 05:01:13 PM »
Indulgence:

This is the remission of sins after receiving and partaking of: Sacramentum poenitentia (Sacrament of Penance).

Indulgence is required after committing sin. Remember that there are 2 types:
1. Mortal Sin (grave and requires purification)
2. Venial Sin (sin that is overall)

We are reminded by the Doctrine: (Communion of Saints)
-that sin, either it be Mortal or Venial must be confessed.
It must. For the remission of your sin, you must confess this to a priest, and recieve and partake of penance.
-However, in Doctrinal Authority of Communimum Sanctrix; each and everyone of us is united in Christian Communion and Christ is the Head of the Patriarchal Table.
We must pray for one another, forgiving one another, and at the same time, seek indulgence for the remission of sin.

This Sacrament has been in existance for over 2,000 years.
And has been kept in practice, as it has been an essence of Catholic Doctrinal Christianity. It was part of the Church Tradition and Teaching--that affirms in Scripture since the days of the Early Church Fathers. A tradition that existed 4 centuries before the Catholic Church compiled and wrote the Holy Bible.
Do note that the Catholic Church compiled the bible as a means to complement Church Tradition.

There is no ifs/ands/ or buts about it.


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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2009, 05:04:18 PM »
Candi preha jud ta Day. pastilan hagbong na jud ta ug catechism ani...

Aw magtinaklanay jud ta ani.



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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2009, 05:06:28 PM »
Unsa ang indulhensya?

Indulhensya pod nang mo hatag og amot sa patay, i-ampo ang mga kalag og ang mga masakiton. Sakto si Ate Raquel, points kintahay sa mga maayong buhat.

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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2009, 05:10:10 PM »
Protestant arguments is weak and nullified in regards to Catholica Apostolicum Ecclesiasticum.

The notion of Sola Scriptura as basis to refute: SACRAMENTUM POENITENTIA is absolutely weak and is nullified.

Sola scriptural (protestant ideal) is in itself flawed. Flawed in that it opens the reader to make personal and even sometimes heretical interpretations of Scripture. Scripture was written by the Church Fathers to lead and believe in a certain way--which is APOSTOLIC--if you analyze SCRIPTURE completely and not w/ a personal notion.

Scripture, was written and compiled to complement and reinforce CHURCH TRADITION.
The Two are INSEPARABLE.
To even try to argue with the HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH on scripture is nonesensical.
ROMANUM CATHOLICUM ECCLESIASTICUM was the one that wrote the Holy Bible. And Compiled it. We observe this in the Communion in Trent and in later meetings.

The source and foundation of THE BLESSED WORD
was given to the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH--which has Spiritual and Divine Authority.
Given to The Church by CHRIST Himself.
The POWER TO BIND and to LOOSE.
What is bound is bound. What is lost will be lost.

I hope that answered you question, Manay H.

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2009, 05:25:08 PM »
So when there are some condemnatory Christians (as i would call them hypocrites), that come to you--referring to the Roman Catholics in here--and say that we do not read the Bible and that the RCC is not 'bible based'. You can easily refute that weak defamatory and LIE.

It was the Holy Roman Catholic Church that compiled and organized the Holy Bible.
The very bible was written by Early Church Fathers. eg, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

The authority that comes to the Church. The Holy Roman Catholic Church.
The very Church that compiled the bibles---when writing it in hand was the only way and method of replicating the works. Thanks to the works of the monastic monks and scholar monks.

That is why the CATHOLIC BIBLE is the FULL BIBLE. Its contents have not changed since the day The Catholic Church compiled it in 5th Century AD.
The Protestant Bibles, on the other hand, have been stripped of some old books in the OT (old testament) and the wordings have changed.

The Complete Bible = The Catholic Bible.

The beauty of it all, is that if you go to the Vatican Libraries, you will see all the written texts that have preached and worded the same message that the CHURCH today reiterates. 2000 years ago to today. Still the same.

Some will say the Catholic Church is 'too conservative' for today, 'it must change.'
NO!
It preaches the very same message it it preached since Pentecost.
Christ came to this earth not to preach what is 'good to hear'. Christ came to this world for the Salvation of Souls. And TRUTH will never be popular.
Lies are popular. Satan makes sure of that. May the LORD GOD rebuke him!

Its simple. really. Its all about faith.
Faith in TRUTH.

God Bless.

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2009, 06:15:30 PM »
I started this topic to hear your views. 
I have read that the confession as a sacrament gives us the chance to reconcile with God, but we still have the burden for committing sins, here come indulgence in view.  Indulgence compensate for the consequence of our erring. This saves us from purgatory partly or full. ako sang pangitaon ang complete text to share it with you.
God is love for He always gives us the grace to stay near Him, and if we stray we are still welcome in His fold.


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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2009, 06:26:37 PM »
Unsa ang indulhensya?

Indulhensya pod nang mo hatag og amot sa patay, i-ampo ang mga kalag og ang mga masakiton. Sakto si Ate Raquel, points kintahay sa mga maayong buhat.

Yes, that is covered in the Doctrine of: Communion of Saints.

We are reminded always to pray for each other: the living and the dead.
For prayers are sent to the Throne of Grace. This is COMPLETELY covered in the Doctrine of Communion of Saints.

Council of Trent (Sess. XXV), "that purgatory exists, and that the souls detained therein are helped by the suffrages of the faithful, but especially by the acceptable sacrifice of the altar", is merely a restatement in brief of the traditional teaching which had already been embodied in more than one authoritative formula -- as in the creed prescribed for converted Waldenses by Innocent III in 1210

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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2009, 06:29:32 PM »
I started this topic to hear your views. 
I have read that the confession as a sacrament gives us the chance to reconcile with God, but we still have the burden for committing sins, here come indulgence in view.  Indulgence compensate for the consequence of our erring. This saves us from purgatory partly or full. ako sang pangitaon ang complete text to share it with you.
God is love for He always gives us the grace to stay near Him, and if we stray we are still welcome in His fold.


The Sacraments are necessary. And they help in the building of a Greater and Wider view of one's faith. It is necessary for faithful relationship with God. And most of all--for the Salvation of the Eternal Soul.

The Eternal Human Soul.

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I completely stand with this, and am happy you posted this thread.
It should be made known to us Catholics and others who are not exposed to it or have not considered it in a while.

Thank You Manay.
God Bless  You.
May the Lord God bless you, your mouth and your soul.
To speak the truth. And to help in faith building measures.


A Brother in Christ,
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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2009, 06:29:46 PM »
Dia ra diay ang text;

It is not quite correct to say there are only three ways to gain an indulgence. The Enchiridion established three general grants followed by other grants attached to particular pious works or prayers. General grants of partial indulgences are made: 1) for those who raise their minds to God with humble confidence in the performance of their duties and in bearing the trials of life and add some pious invocation; 2) to the faithful who give of themselves or their goods in the spirit of faith and mercy to serve their brothers and sisters in need; and 3) to the faithful who, in the spirit of penance, voluntarily deprive themselves of what is licit and pleasing to them.


These general grants are followed by others attached to particular prayers and acts such as reading the Scriptures, adoration of the Blessed Sacrament and prayer before a crucifix.


Indulgences obtained under the norms before Paul VI’s new norms remain valid. But now you can obtain indulgences only under the new norms. Since you asked about it in particular, the Portiuncula Indulgence attached to a visit to a parish or quasi-parish or cathedral church on August 2 is contained in the new Enchiridion. Besides a visit the person must say an Our Father, the Creed and some other prayer for the intention of the Holy Father.


For this there is a plenary indulgence if the person is completely detached from sin. Otherwise there is a partial indulgence in accord with the individual’s dispositions. Also part of the usual conditions attached to the reception of a plenary indulgence are the reception of the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.



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Re: Unsa ang indulhensya?
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2009, 06:31:01 PM »
A fisherman´s rod!

Many years ago, as a young priest traveling in Europe, I encountered an unusual ceremony and have never seen it since. Outside the confessional, in a semicircular formation, knelt the penitents, one after the other, as they came from receiving absolution. A long, slender pole was affixed to the confessor’s Dutch door. Periodically his hand would take the pole and move it randomly over the heads of the kneeling penitents, finally tapping one of them on the shoulder. With that, the selected penitent blessed himself and departed.



This procedure continued until all had been tapped and thereby dismissed. I was told that the pole was called the “Fisherman’s Rod” and served to indicate that an indulgence had been granted to the penitent, having performed his penance on his knees and patiently waited for the Rod to send him on his way.


Can you tell me where and when this practice was commonly in vogue?


To answer your question, I called Father Cyprian Berens, O.F.M., who spent some years as a confessor at the Basilica of St. John Lateran in Rome.


Father Cyprian told me that until the time of Pope Paul VI, there was attached to the doors of all the confessionals in the four major basilicas a rod that looked something like a fishing pole.


Confessors in these basilicas have their faculties from the Apostolic Penitentiary which has charge of all matters of the internal forum—both sacramental and non-sacramental. Among its responsibilities is directing things concerning the usage and granting of indulgences.


Confessors in these basilicas were able to grant an indulgence to anyone who asked for it by kneeling outside the confessional and waiting for a tap on the head or shoulders with the rod.


Among explanations of the practices were ideas that the one asking the indulgence sought a kind of spiritual knighthood or wanted to offer himself or herself to God in the spirit of sacrifice.


Under Pope Paul VI, there was a complete revision of indulgences and a new Enchiridion of Indulgences was published.


Father Cyprian speculated that this practice in the basilicas had become a kind of curiosity or novelty and that this became a reason for eliminating it.




 The Heroic Act



Many years ago, as a child of 11 or 12, I read a book on Fatima. At the end of the book was a pledge called a heroic act where persons pledged to give all the indulgences they earned during life and after death to the souls in purgatory.


I made this act and I have never seen anything about this since and I can’t find the book it was in. Do you know anything about it?





There is indeed a practice of piety called the Heroic Act. It has been encouraged by the Theatine Order. It is called heroic because of the complete selflessness involved in the practice. According to T.C. O’Brien in the Encyclopedic Dictionary of Religion, persons who make the heroic act offer to God any and all indulgences they might gain, as well as all expiatory works and all prayers offered for them after death.


The Heroic Act should not be confused with St. Louis Marie de Montfort’s act of total consecration to Mary or the offering made by “victim souls.”


De Montfort urged that the most perfect devotion to Mary was in consecrating self entirely to her, and Jesus through her, becoming a slave of Mary. That means completely consecrating self to Mary for all eternity—body, soul, spiritual and material possessions, the atoning value and merits of our good actions and the right to dispose of them, past, present and future.


The act of “victim souls” is to accept suffering without reservation in union with the self-offering of Christ in atonement for sin. O’Brien remarks that this offering is not to be made lightly or easily permitted by a spiritual director.


I would say the same of the Heroic Act and total consecration. They should not be spur-of-the-moment actions but thoughtful and mature acts.






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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2009, 06:34:36 PM »
Coming to the proof of this doctrine, we find, in the first place, that it is an integral part of the great general truth which we name the communion of saints. This truth is the counterpart in the supernatural order of the natural law of human solidarity. Men are not isolated units in the life of grace, any more than in domestic and civil life. As children in Christ's Kingdom they are as one family under the loving Fatherhood of God; as members of Christ's mystical body they are incorporated not only with Him, their common Head, but with one another, and this not merely by visible social bonds and external co-operation, but by the invisible bonds of mutual love and sympathy, and by effective co-operation in the inner life of grace. Each is in some degree the beneficiary of the spiritual activities of the others, of their prayers and good works, their merits and satisfactions; nor is this degree to be wholly measured by those indirect ways in which the law of solidarity works out in other cases, nor by the conscious and explicit altruistic intentions of individual agents. It is wider than this, and extends to the bounds of the mysterious. Now, as between the living, no Christian can deny the reality of this far-reaching spiritual communion; and since death, for those who die in faith and grace, does not sever the bonds of this communion, why should it interrupt its efficacy in the case of the dead, and shut them out from benefits of which they are capable and may be in need? Of very few can it be hoped that they have attained perfect holiness at death; and none but the perfectly holy are admitted to the vision of God. Of few, on the other hand, will they at least who love them admit the despairing thought that they are beyond the pale of grace and mercy, and condemned to eternal separation from God and from all who hope to be with God. On this ground alone it has been truly said that purgatory is a postulate of the Christian reason; and, granting the existence of the purgatorial state, it is equally a postulate of the Christian reason in the communion of saints, or, in other words, be helped by the prayers of their brethren on earth and in heaven. Christ is King in purgatory as well as in heaven and on earth, and He cannot be deaf to our prayers for our loved ones in that part of His Kingdom, whom he also loves while He chastises them. For our own consolation as well as for theirs we want to believe in this living intercourse of charity with our dead. We would believe it without explicit warrant of Revelation, on the strength of what is otherwise revealed and in obedience to the promptings of reason and natural affection. Indeed, it is largely for this reason that Protestants in growing numbers are giving up today the joy-killing doctrine of the Reformers, and reviving Catholic teaching and practice. As we shall presently see, there is no clear and explicit warrant for prayers for the dead in the Scriptures recognized by Protestants as canonical, while they do not admit the Divine authority of extra-Scriptural traditions. Catholics are in a better position.

Reference to Prayeres for the Dead: (to answer Angie's question)

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Passing over the well-known passage, 1 Corinthians 3:14 sq., on which an argument for purgatory may be based, attention may be called to another curious text in the same Epistle (15:29), where St. Paul argues thus in favour of the resurrection: "Otherwise what shall they do that are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not again at all? Why are they then baptized form them?" Even assuming that the practice here referred to was superstitious, and that St. Paul merely uses it as the basis of an argumentum ad hominem, the passage at least furnishes historical evidence of the prevalence at the time of belief in the efficacy of works for the dead; and the Apostle's reserve in not reprobating this particular practice is more readily intelligible if we suppose him to have recognized the truth of the principle of which it was merely an abuse. But it is probable that the practice in question was something in itself legitimate, and to which the Apostle gives his tacit approbation. In his Second Epistle to Timothy (1:16-18; 4:19) St. Paul speaks of Onesiphorus in a way that seems obviously to imply that the latter was already dead: "The Lord give mercy to the house of Onesiphorus" -- as to a family in need of consolation. Then, after mention of loyal services rendered by him to the imprisoned Apostle at Rome, comes the prayer for Onesiphorus himself, "The Lord grant unto him to find mercy of the Lord in that day" (the day of judgment); finally, in the salutation, "the household of Onesiphorus" is mentioned once more, without mention of the man himself. The question is, what had become of him? Was he dead, as one would naturally infer from what St. Paul writes? Or had he for any other cause become separated permanently from his family, so that prayer for them should take account of present needs while prayers for him looked forward to the day of judgment? Or could it be that he was still at Rome when the Apostle wrote, or gone elsewhere for a prolonged absence from home? The first is by far the easiest and most natural hypothesis; and if it be admitted, we have here an instance of prayer by the Apostle for the soul of a deceased benefactor.


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